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[schadd]

welcome to M95: UChoose Flavor™ mafia

this game will use tit for tat, a setup for 12 players. it is an open game from mafiascum that is classified as normal.

mod: schadd


spectators: SpaceAnemone, The_Wine_Merchant

les playeurs:
1. Eevee killed N1; vt                       
2. LaLight          lynched d3; scum rolecop   
3. JaketheBaseballGod22 (née UmbrageOfSnow)                  killed n4 
4. 2.71828...        engamed         
5. Dylan32         killed N2; backup rolecoop               
6. Roadrunner7671 (née ashersky)   killed N1; jk                                         
7. Jimmmmm lynched d4; vt         
8. Robz888          survived; backup jk       
9. gkrieg13           endgamed     
10. Witherweaver       lynched d2; vt           
11. Calamitas       killed n4; vt 
12. EFHW (née harbinger) survived; goon   

game state:
D1 --- N1
D2 --- N2
D3

The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, aquamarine text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last nine IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.

[schadd]

tit for tat is an entirely open setup. it has these roles and no other ones:
-1 mafia goon
-1 mafia rolecop
-1 mafia backup jailkeeper
-1 town jailkeeper
-1 town backup rolecop
-1 vigilante
-6 vanilla townies
perhaps unintuitively, the mafia backup JK becomes a JK when the town JK dies, and the town backup rolecop becomes a rolecop when the mafia one dies. there is also a vigilante, so that more people die and make this interaction more likely.
role PMs, without formatting

you are a vanilla townie! your only exciting thing is your vote; while everyone else is out targetin’ folks n inheritin’ stuff, you will be sitting quietly and merely guessing what's going on.

you win when every player left alive is town-aligned.

you are the town vigilante! while all the other townies have that annoying red tape around their ability to kill people, you may just choose one person each night and take ‘em out. this kill can be blocked by the jailkeeper.

you win when every player left alive is town-aligned.

you are the town jailkeeper. each night, you may target someone to keep their jail, and perform two actions simultaneously: a roleblock, which prevents their power role from working (if they use one), and a doctor, which protects them from one kill. you may not target yourself with this ability.

you win when every player left alive is town-aligned.

you are the town backup rolecop; when the mafia rolecop dies, you inherit their ability to cop roles, effective immediately: each night you may target one person, and come morning you will learn what bonus role they have. vanilla townies as well as the mafia goon will give the result “vanilla” and if you are targeted by a jailkeeper, you will receive “no result.”

you win when every player left alive is town-aligned.

you are a mafia goon. you may do two exciting things: perform the factional kill, wherein you target someone and they become dead unless protected by a jailkeeper.  only one of you can use this each night. also, some other thing. oh right, you can talk to your two more endowed friends at night, in [QT].

you win if, at any time, all town players are dead and one mafia is alive, or if nothing can prevent this scenario.

you are a mafia rolecop. each night, you may:
-use your rolecop ability: you can cop somebody's role, and come morning you will learn what bonus role they have. vanilla townies as well as the mafia goon will give the result “vanilla” and if you are targeted by a jailkeeper, you will receive “no result.”
-perform the factional kill, wherein you target someone and they become dead unless protected by a jailkeeper. you cannot use both this and the rolecop on the same night.  only one of you can use this each night.
-talk to your two friends, in [QT].

you win if, at any time, all town players are dead and one mafia is alive, or if nothing can prevent this scenario.

you are the mafia backup jailkeeper. each night, you may:
-talk to your two friends, in [QT]
-perform the factional kill, wherein you target someone and they become dead unless protected by a jailkeeper. only one of you can use this each night.
-if the town jailkeeper has died, you may keep jails just as they could, and choose a target, performing two actions simultaneously: a roleblock, which prevents their power role from working (if they use one), and a doctor, which protects them from one kill. you may not use this and the factional kill on the same night.

you win if, at any time, all town players are dead and one mafia is alive, or if nothing can prevent this scenario.

[schadd]

this game will use the patented UChoose Flavor™ technology to produce the flavor.  i have set a poll containing a bunch of options for flavors; you, the reader, can vote for up to 10 of these options, and at the start of the game, i will use the flavor with the most votes.  you don’t have to be participating in the game to vote, since the flavor is ~experienced~ by everyone.  everything should be largely self-explanatory except the wild card®s and maybe schadnd II.

[SpaceAnemone]

/tag

[pacovf]

chuck tingle guys/gals. Let's get steamy.

[SpaceAnemone]

chuck tingle guys/gals. Let's get steamy.

Yeah, this is precisely why I'm not /inning!

[SpaceAnemone]

chuck tingle guys/gals. Let's get steamy.

Yeah, this is precisely why I'm not /inning!

Heh... That's not a hidden "in", in case that wasn't clear :-P

[LaLight]

/in

[Awaclus]

chuck tingle guys/gals. Let's get steamy.

Yeah, this is precisely why I'm not /inning!

Heh... That's not a hidden "in", in case that wasn't clear :-P

I see, so it wasn't hidden!

[Eevee]

In for the flavor

[SpaceAnemone]

chuck tingle guys/gals. Let's get steamy.

Yeah, this is precisely why I'm not /inning!

Heh... That's not a hidden "in", in case that wasn't clear :-P

I see, so it wasn't hidden!

Well /out, in case that makes it clearer that I'm not signing up!

I genuinely have a problem with the idea of playing in a game where the theme may end up being X-rated when there are also minors around/reading.

[schadd]

chuck tingle guys/gals. Let's get steamy.

Yeah, this is precisely why I'm not /inning!

Heh... That's not a hidden "in", in case that wasn't clear :-P

i read that as 'that's a hidden "in" '

[Robz888]

chuck tingle guys/gals. Let's get steamy.

I have absolutely no idea what this means, and I like to think I'm generally fairly informed about culture and stuff.

I could google it. But I won't.

[schadd]

very specific and abstract erotica

[Robz888]

I caved and Googled it. I actually have heard of that. Let's not use that flavor.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

chuck tingle guys/gals. Let's get steamy.

Yeah, this is precisely why I'm not /inning!

Heh... That's not a hidden "in", in case that wasn't clear :-P

I see, so it wasn't hidden!

Well /out, in case that makes it clearer that I'm not signing up!

I genuinely have a problem with the idea of playing in a game where the theme may end up being X-rated when there are also minors around/reading.

Agreed. If you want to make a spectacle out of the game, just take it to RSV and play there. Or you know, just make the flavor clearly forum appropriate.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

/in

Sorry LaLight, I'm a sucker for open games and I like the setup.

I don't care if the flavor is X-rated, I'll play it either way.

[Eevee]

No disturbing flavor is my wish as well.

[2.71828.....]

wait, there is a vig?  /in

[UmbrageOfSnow]

wait, there is a vig?  /in

I /ined first, I call vig!

[Awaclus]

No disturbing flavor is my wish as well.

I mean, when the base flavor of the game is a bunch of organized criminals killing innocent people for no apparent reason, you might not have that wish fulfilled anyway.

[faust]

No disturbing flavor is my wish as well.

I mean, when the base flavor of the game is a bunch of organized criminals killing innocent people for no apparent reason, you might not have that wish fulfilled anyway.

Pretty much on point.

I guess I don't understand why an RMM about a show with 18+ rating (The Walking Dead) does not cause trouble, but some erotic theme suddenly has everyone worried about minors.

[pacovf]

Hm mostly I was interested in what schadd could do with the topic. Obv if people are made uncomfortable then that trumps it. No need to go to "RSV" :p

[Awaclus]

No need to go to "RSV" :p

Respiratory syncytial virus?

[2.71828.....]

Currently a 5-way tie for the flavor vote. We need more people to join and vote.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Aww, and of my like 5 votes, only one of them is on one of those 5,so it's not at all my fault.

I was thinking I could unvote something to help one be in the lead.

So in that case, let me campaign for my leading pick:

[Mic Qsenoch]

[Roadrunner7671]

/tag

[Dylan32]

/in

[ashersky]

/in, but /out if it's physics.

[Awaclus]

/in, but /out if it's physics.

What's wrong with physics?

[ashersky]

/in, but /out if it's physics.

What's wrong with physics?

I'm anti.

[Jimmmmm]

/in

Question: If both Jailkeepers are alive and the Mafia Rolecop is dead, will the Town Rolecop distinguish between the Jailkeepers? IE if they target the Backup JK, will the result just be "Jailkeeper", or will it be "Backup Jailkeeper"?

[schadd]

/in

Question: If both Jailkeepers are alive and the Mafia Rolecop is dead, will the Town Rolecop distinguish between the Jailkeepers? IE if they target the Backup JK, will the result just be "Jailkeeper", or will it be "Backup Jailkeeper"?

"backup jailkeeper," since the backup isn't a jailkeeper, really, until they inherit it. and once they do it doesn't matter


thanks for asking!

[Robz888]

/in

[gkrieg13]

/in if the flavor is under 18 friendly

[Robz888]

/in if the flavor is under 18 friendly

^^^ yeah, that goes for me, too.

[schadd]

ok chuck tingle has been stumped

[Roadrunner7671]

ok chuck tingle has been stumped

Link doesn't make sense..?

[schadd]

ok

[2.71828.....]

ok chuck tingle has been stumped

Link doesn't make sense..?

where once chuck tingle was active, chuck tingle is now just an innocent bystander.

[Witherweaver]

\in for physics

[2.71828.....]

With 23 people having voted I doubt we will get many more votes. I say we have a runoff between the two tied at 7 votes.

[2.71828.....]

We could also include the 5 vote nominations, giving us 5 choices to choose from. Granted 4/6 of the ones I voted for are in the top 5, so I am happy with basically all of the top contenders.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

The top choices don't include most of my votes, but also I don't really care that much.

[Dylan32]

If I had paid attention and voted for more than one thing, it would be Clickhole highschool 7, physics 8, with some other stuff bumped up 1 as well. Not that it matters, just throwing it out there.

[Dylan32]

Also relevant for my last post, high school was the one I voted for to begin with, so my votes would have just cancelled each other out on the top two essentially.

[Calamitas]

I think we should have a runoff vote.

[Calamitas]

/in btw

[harbinger]

/in

[Roadrunner7671]

Yay!

[schadd]

alrighty then. N0 starts now and ends tomorrow at 10 PM forum time. i will send out PMs shortly; please say "confirm [your role]" in your QT when you get it.

i think there's some extent to which being able to vote for as many options as you want results in a plurality of a thing that a lot of people kinda want. so, if you want, you can submit one extra vote that essentially means "i would strongly prefer we do this option." you will put this vote in your QT; the deadline for this vote is in 24 hours.

thread locked except for tags.

[schadd]

N0 starts now and ends tomorrow at 10 PM forum time.

i decided this is too soon, especially considering one of our players will be VLA when the game starts. it will start monday at 10p forum time.

[schadd]

the flavor vote deadline is similarly extended by 24 hours.

[schadd]

flavor deadline is up. even with post-hoc votes, physics is our winner.


everyone will have their flavor name edited into the first post in their QTs. every VT is called a "left-leaning quark," and the scum will be told the flavor names of the three town PRs.

[schadd]

roadrunner has replaced ashersky

[schadd]

the struggle to find answers in this universe has been long, and arduous. it has seen superheroes and titans of cleverness and rigor advance the sciences to unthinkable extents, and it has had a bunch of annoying politics and philosophy and whatever try to bring it down to its knees. in this moment, we figured, screw it, let's just duke it out, because this has been really long and really boring, and if we can just lynch the obstacles, that would simplify things massively, and if all of physics just gets destroyed, that's also fine, really.

newton claimed that all action must have equal and opposite reaction; that is to say, one of you will win, and the other will lose.

Vote Count 1.ℓ_P

Not voting (12): Eevee, LaLight, UmbrageOfSnow, 2.71828..., Dylan32, Roadrunner7671, Jimmmmm, Robz888, gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Calamitas, harbinger

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 starts now and ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time.

thread unlocked!

[Roadrunner7671]

Gang gang
Vote: WW because sheeping Gkrieg is good

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Vote: Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmmm for lurking.

[gkrieg13]

Gang gang
Vote: WW because sheeping Gkrieg is good

Wait, but I haven't done that yet...

vote: WW, as he is actually scum this game

[2.71828.....]

vote: UoS

Have I played with you before?

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmmm for lurking.

OMGUS Vote: UoS

[Dylan32]

Vote: harbinger. Welcome to f.ds.

[LaLight]

So, here's a theory. Scum could cooperate to choose their favorite flavor and win it, which may be indicative. let's see..

les playeurs:
1. Eevee
2. LaLight
3. UmbrageOfSnow may choose physics
4. 2.71828... may choose physics
5. Dylan32 may choose physics
6. ashersky
7. Jimmmmm - ?
8. Robz888
9. gkrieg13
10. Witherweaver
11. Calamitas may choose physics
12. harbinger

AND also, which is important! Ash said that if this will be physics, he's out. If he was scum, they would never do it, cause they'd want ash in their team, so RR is an IC.

I chose squirrels, let's claim this.

vote: Calamitas

[2.71828.....]

I did vote physics as one of my 6 choices originally, but in the run-off I voted click-bait version of high school

[2.71828.....]

AND also, which is important! Ash said that if this will be physics, he's out. If he was scum, they would never do it, cause they'd want ash in their team, so RR is an IC.

False

[LaLight]

AND also, which is important! Ash said that if this will be physics, he's out. If he was scum, they would never do it, cause they'd want ash in their team, so RR is an IC.

False

Yes, I know

[harbinger]

Vote: harbinger. Welcome to f.ds.

Vote: Dylan32, Hello!

[LaLight]

Vote: harbinger. Welcome to f.ds.

Vote: Dylan32, Hello!

Hey, nice to meet you! It's always good to see new faces

To vote you should [ b ] bold [ / b ] your vote (without blanks)

[harbinger]

Vote: Dylan32

[LaLight]

Vote: harbinger. Welcome to f.ds.

Vote: Dylan32, Hello!

Do you have any experience? Have you played before? What is your timezone?

Also don't hesitate to ask if you don't understand anything

[LaLight]

Vote: harbinger. Welcome to f.ds.

Vote: Dylan32, Hello!

Do you have any experience? Have you played before? What is your timezone?

Also don't hesitate to ask if you don't understand anything

Another important thing: what pronoun do you use?

[harbinger]

Xp: IRL & a couple of games in forums
Tz: Europe/Berlin
Pronoun: maskuline

[harbinger]

Hey, nice to meet you! It's always good to see new faces

Also, Hi Lalight

[Eevee]

Welcome harbinger! Hope you have a good time.

So, for today we have 3 excellent lynches (or wagon options), 3 very bad ones, and 6 just regularly bad ones.

I've come to dread day 1, almost. It's such a big deal for a town victory to have a good day 1, but so hard to make that happen.

[Roadrunner7671]

So, for today we have 3 excellent lynches (or wagon options), 3 very bad ones, and 6 just regularly bad ones.

Can you elaborate on those? I'm sort of curious

[Roadrunner7671]

RR is an IC.

The reasoning behind this makes sense, but it's possible ashersky outed because he had IRL concerns or other stuff.
Wait, no it doesn't, the categories were picked before we got our PMs 

[2.71828.....]

So, for today we have 3 excellent lynches (or wagon options), 3 very bad ones, and 6 just regularly bad ones.

Can you elaborate on those? I'm sort of curious

Lynch scum, lynch PRS, lynch VTs

[Eevee]

Oh and bummer, I'll be pretty much VLA until friday evening starting tomorrow morning. We are having a winter sports event with a big group of friends, going to compete in ice hockey, cross-country skiing, shooting, curling, handball, chess, go, backgammon, ice lake fishing, swimming and badminton. Expecting great fun!

[Witherweaver]

So, here's a theory. Scum could cooperate to choose their favorite flavor and win it, which may be indicative. let's see..

les playeurs:
1. Eevee
2. LaLight
3. UmbrageOfSnow may choose physics
4. 2.71828... may choose physics
5. Dylan32 may choose physics
6. ashersky
7. Jimmmmm - ?
8. Robz888
9. gkrieg13
10. Witherweaver
11. Calamitas may choose physics
12. harbinger

AND also, which is important! Ash said that if this will be physics, he's out. If he was scum, they would never do it, cause they'd want ash in their team, so RR is an IC.

I chose squirrels, let's claim this.

vote: Calamitas

I actually chose physics, as you can see from my \in post.

[Witherweaver]

Humorously, when I first clicked on the thread and saw votes on me, I thought this was a different game that had started and that I wasn't playing in.

[Witherweaver]

Oh and bummer, I'll be pretty much VLA until friday evening starting tomorrow morning. We are having a winter sports event with a big group of friends, going to compete in ice hockey, cross-country skiing, shooting, curling, handball, chess, go, backgammon, ice lake fishing, swimming and badminton. Expecting great fun!

Are the chess pieces carved from ice?

[Eevee]

Oh and bummer, I'll be pretty much VLA until friday evening starting tomorrow morning. We are having a winter sports event with a big group of friends, going to compete in ice hockey, cross-country skiing, shooting, curling, handball, chess, go, backgammon, ice lake fishing, swimming and badminton. Expecting great fun!

Are the chess pieces carved from ice?

Doubles as a chess clock, you lose when your king melts.

[Calamitas]

Actually, I really think we should claim whether we picked physics or not. I certainly did.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Calamitas

[Robz888]

I picked 30 Rock. If there was some kind of runoff I missed it. I certainly would have argued against physics if I realized it was going to make ashersky quit.

But all this happened before alignments were picked, right?

[Calamitas]

I picked 30 Rock. If there was some kind of runoff I missed it. I certainly would have argued against physics if I realized it was going to make ashersky quit.

But all this happened before alignments were picked, right?

The runoff round in the qt wasn't.

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.1

Witherweaver (1): gkrieg13
Jimmmmm (1): UmbrageOfSnow
UmbrageOfSnow (2): 2.71828..., Jimmmmm
harbinger (1): Dylan32
Calamitas (2): LaLight, Roadrunner7671
Dylan32 (1): harbinger

Not voting (4): Eevee, Robz888, Witherweaver, Calamitas

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

[harbinger]

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 12 at 10pm forum time.

The date is wrong

[schadd]

ooh, thanks

[2.71828.....]

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

I think Calamitas is townie for his flavor talk posts.

[2.71828.....]

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

I think Calamitas is townie for his flavor talk posts.

Wait, sorry. LaLight is the one towny for his flavor talk. Calamitas didn't really do flavor talk other than providing info that everyone already knew.

Vote: jimmmmm for his vote on Calamitas

[2.71828.....]

Actually, I really think we should claim whether we picked physics or not. I certainly did.

Reading is hard. Calamitas did do some flavor talk.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

vote: UoS

Have I played with you before?

I'm fairly certain we have, but I don't remember specific games all that well.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Welcome to the game, Harbinger.  I hope you have fun.

If I or someone else gets really aggressive toward you at some point during the game, please don't take it personally or as a sign that you're hated or something.  It's just a game, but a certain level of aggression is part of some of our playstyles.  It is mine at least.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

As long as we're making general notes, I think the biggest way for Day 1 to end up being useless is for people to let others get away with "well it's just Day 1, so there isn't anything to talk about" excuses.  Town do this to be lazy, but it's great for scum to be able to get away with.

Anyway, wagons are fun.

Vote: Calamitas

[Witherweaver]

Weee

Vote: Calamitas

[Robz888]

Welcome harbinger! Hope you have a good time.

So, for today we have 3 excellent lynches (or wagon options), 3 very bad ones, and 6 just regularly bad ones.

I've come to dread day 1, almost. It's such a big deal for a town victory to have a good day 1, but so hard to make that happen.

Me too.

[Robz888]

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

So it actually seems like maybe flavor talk wasn't as pointless as usual here.

Vote: Jimm

[harbinger]

Poor Calamitas, I can't see what they have done wrong

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

So it actually seems like maybe flavor talk wasn't as pointless as usual here.

Vote: Jimm

Once you vote someone for doing something pointless, what that person did is no longer pointless.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

So, Harbinger, do you mind telling us where you played the other forum mafia/werewolf games?

[harbinger]

So, Harbinger, do you mind telling us where you played the other forum mafia/werewolf games?

I am curious why you want to know...
Sites were werewolv.es and the xkcd forum

[UmbrageOfSnow]

So, Harbinger, do you mind telling us where you played the other forum mafia/werewolf games?

I am curious why you want to know...
Sites were werewolv.es and the xkcd forum

Because it could be helpful to get a read on you.

Thanks.

[Eevee]

Are people being serious about flavor claiming having utility? I can't tell.
(And implied follow-up: what's the utility?)

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Actually flavor claiming is straight up terrible.  VTs have a known identical flavor name, so it would just out all the PRs.

People are talking about claiming whether you voted for Physics or not.

Which is about as useful as asking "Do you prefer scum or town" and trying to WIFOM the answers IMO.  But it's not actively bad, just pointless.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

So it actually seems like maybe flavor talk wasn't as pointless as usual here.

Vote: Jimm

\\

Why? What have I missed?

[Roadrunner7671]

Poor Calamitas, I can't see what they have done wrong

I didn't like the flavor discussion, so I voted. Other people probably started voting for similar reasons or because little evidence is needed to place a vote during D1.

[Witherweaver]

What reason would scum have to all want the same flavor, anyway?

Fun theory: they discussed flavor to some extent in the QT.

Vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

What reason would scum have to all want the same flavor, anyway?

Fun theory: they discussed flavor to some extent in the QT.

Vote: LaLight

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

[Witherweaver]

"I got us out of RVS"

Classic scum ploy

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

"I got us out of RVS"

Classic scum ploy

Erm, why? I hate rvs and happy to do anything to get ua out. Actually, after quick reread, vote: Eevee.

[Jimmmmm]

"I got us out of RVS"

Classic scum ploy

Erm, why? I hate rvs and happy to do anything to get ua out. Actually, after quick reread, vote: Eevee.

Why? He's seemed Towny enough to me.

[Eevee]

I think what LL did was fine. Not really misleading or harmful to town, and anything to get the game going gets a thumbs up from me. I think it was towny, if anything.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

[Jimmmmm]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

Overly edited post = scum.

Vote: UoS

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Under edited if anything.

[Jimmmmm]

Well, edited at all really. Evidence of changing your wording etc is, shall we say, a classic scum tell.

[Dylan32]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

Overly edited post = scum.

Vote: UoS

Vote: Jimmmmm

[Calamitas]

The fact whether someone voted physics or not is actually not irrelevant. But since there has been too much discussion on it I don't see why scum should stick to the truth there which makes it actually pointless. But the info itself could have been worth something.

[Jimmmmm]

The fact whether someone voted physics or not is actually not irrelevant.

Why?

[Witherweaver]

I like it.

Vote: UmbrageOfSnow

[Jimmmmm]

Okay so about the setup.

We have a Jailkeeper who I'm sure is smart enough to figure out how to use their power and we need not talk about it.
We have a Vig who as we know should not shoot until at least the mid-late game.
And we have a Named Townie who has dreams of catching scum but will probably never happen.

Scum have a Rolecop which should help them PR-hunt quite a bit.
If they get a JK, it may be helpful for them given the PoE they will have already been doing.

Ultimately the best thing we have going for us setup-wise is the possibility of blocking a scum kill. As I said, this doesn't really need to be talked about any further, so for now we should pretty much treat it like a vanilla game and focus on scumhunting.

[Calamitas]

The fact whether someone voted physics or not is actually not irrelevant.

Why?

The probability of physics being elected when ash is town is smaller than the probability of physics being elected when ash is scum.

[Calamitas]

The fact whether someone voted physics or not is actually not irrelevant.

Why?

The probability of physics being elected when ash is town is greater than the probability of physics being elected when ash is scum.

Fixed, had it written the wrong way

[LaLight]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

Thing is that I was 100% joking. Somehow that went as a serious conversation i the end. I think flavor choosing is irrelevant and I don't think RR is IC.

[Roadrunner7671]

Yeah, it's sort of a wrong reasoning right conclusion type of thing.

[Robz888]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

Overly edited IS a scumtell in my book, but was this really over edited?

[Calamitas]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

Thing is that I was 100% joking. Somehow that went as a serious conversation i the end. I think flavor choosing is irrelevant and I don't think RR is IC.

It is not irrelevant, it is proper evidence and makes rr more likely to be town. Not remotely close to IC but still evidence in favor of him being town.

[2.71828.....]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

I agree with WW here. I know I do everything I can when I am scum to try to prove my towniness, but as town I err on the side of assuming I am an IC and that it is obviously clear that I am town. It's the whole "try-hard scum" move.

[harbinger]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

Thing is that I was 100% joking. Somehow that went as a serious conversation i the end. I think flavor choosing is irrelevant and I don't think RR is IC.

It is not irrelevant, it is proper evidence and makes rr more likely to be town. Not remotely close to IC but still evidence in favor of him being town.

The problem is that this evidence is so small, that all the other clues will probably overshadow it. I would just leave it aside for now

[UmbrageOfSnow]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

I agree with WW here. I know I do everything I can when I am scum to try to prove my towniness, but as town I err on the side of assuming I am an IC and that it is obviously clear that I am town. It's the whole "try-hard scum" move.

So what version of that message would have made me look more town?

Think about this, it's not a rhetorical question.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

Thing is that I was 100% joking. Somehow that went as a serious conversation i the end. I think flavor choosing is irrelevant and I don't think RR is IC.

It is not irrelevant, it is proper evidence and makes rr more likely to be town. Not remotely close to IC but still evidence in favor of him being town.

The problem is that this evidence is so small, that all the other clues will probably overshadow it. I would just leave it aside for now

You don't get anywhere on Day 1 without jumping on little scraps of evidence.

[Dylan32]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

Thing is that I was 100% joking. Somehow that went as a serious conversation i the end. I think flavor choosing is irrelevant and I don't think RR is IC.

It is not irrelevant, it is proper evidence and makes rr more likely to be town. Not remotely close to IC but still evidence in favor of him being town.

The problem is that this evidence is so small, that all the other clues will probably overshadow it. I would just leave it aside for now

You don't get anywhere on Day 1 without jumping on little scraps of evidence.

You do have to be careful what little scraps of evidence you jump on though...

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.2

Witherweaver (1): gkrieg13
Jimmmmm (3): 2.71828..., Robz888, Dylan32
UmbrageOfSnow (2): Jimmmmm, Witherweaver
Calamitas (2): LaLight, Roadrunner7671
Dylan32 (1): harbinger
LaLight (1): UmbrageOfSnow

Not voting (2): Eevee, Calamitas

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Why isn't e voting for me?  Especially after that "try-hard scum" comment?

Vote: 2.71828...

[2.71828.....]

Why isn't e voting for me?  Especially after that "try-hard scum" comment?

Vote: 2.71828...

I can only vote for your team one at a time

[Witherweaver]

My only regret is that I have but one vote to give for my town.

[Robz888]

I don't actually think Jimm is that scummy. Or anyone else for that matter. Unvote

Stuff is happening, I know, but I'm not getting a lot out of it...

[gkrieg13]

I'll try to get to this tomorrow.

[LaLight]

why are people voting for Jimmmmm at all? I might've missed that.

[2.71828.....]

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

I agree with WW here. I know I do everything I can when I am scum to try to prove my towniness, but as town I err on the side of assuming I am an IC and that it is obviously clear that I am town. It's the whole "try-hard scum" move.

So what version of that message would have made me look more town?

Think about this, it's not a rhetorical question.

So.  I have thought about this.  And I am not quite sure what you are trying to get at. 

Why isn't e voting for me?  Especially after that "try-hard scum" comment?

Vote: 2.71828...

Also, my original reaction to this post was tongue-in-cheek mostly, but this comment makes no sense.  LaLight was the person who had the "get out of RVS" comment that WW was saying was scummy.  Why would I be voting you after my comment?  I really don't get how you jumped to that conclusion.

[2.71828.....]

why are people voting for Jimmmmm at all? I might've missed that.

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

is why I voted Jimmmmm.  I haven't found a reason to shift that vote yet so I am still there.  UoS is trying to tempt me though

[LaLight]

why are people voting for Jimmmmm at all? I might've missed that.

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

is why I voted Jimmmmm.  I haven't found a reason to shift that vote yet so I am still there.  UoS is trying to tempt me though

Calamatis, huh?

uh, well, have Jimmmmm played with Calamitas before? I can see Jimmmmm's reasoning, but for Calamitas everything concerning setu/flavor is a null talk.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I'm an idiot, e.

I had a huge scumread on you for calling me tryhard scum because of my rephrasing a sentence mid-typing but then not voting me for it.  Because you said that in a post quoting me and you were talking about that before.  So I didn't read what was actually in the quote block, since I assumed I knew what you were talking about.

So yeah, I'll go back to
Vote: LaLight

[Dylan32]

Dang it. I just reread everything twice and the only thing I come away with is a slight town read on Eevee. #105 seems like something scum would probably not say since bringing up flavor claiming is clearly not good for town. I think that was more likely confused/careless/distracted!town.  Other than that, I've just seen a whole bunch of null. At one time I had a reason for voting for Jimmmmm, but I've since forgotten what it was and couldn't remember on the reread.  I didn't see anything that made me want to move it now though.

If I had to pick someone to be suspicious of, right now it might be LL for the joke/not joke thing, although for unspeakable reasons I'm not putting much stock in that; and I might be a freckle suspicious of harbinger, purely for openly suggesting ignoring evidence prior to better evidence being available.  Once better evidence is there, yeah, I agree with his logic, but until it shows up, just discarding it because "all the other clues will probably overshadow it" isn't the best idea. This isn't really enough for me to scum!read them yet; it's just enough to read them closely.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Dylan

[Robz888]

vote: Dylan

Why? For trying?

[gkrieg13]

vote: Dylan

Why? For trying?

The emotion in that post doesn't seem genuine.  It seems too over the top.

[LaLight]

This reminds me how I always try to give reads or protect myself being town and people see my emotions over the top. I'm on Dylan's side here and vote: gkrieg because overemotionness is never from scum in my experience.

[gkrieg13]

This reminds me how I always try to give reads or protect myself being town and people see my emotions over the top. I'm on Dylan's side here and vote: gkrieg because overemotionness is never from scum in my experience.

It isn't that he is being over emotive, it is that the emotion doesn't feel genuine

[Robz888]

I didn't realize I was being emotional at all. I was giving gkrieg some light pushback for immediately voting--with no explanation--someone who made a post expressing the effort they were putting in.

[gkrieg13]

I didn't realize I was being emotional at all. I was giving gkrieg some light pushback for immediately voting--with no explanation--someone who made a post expressing the effort they were putting in.

Not you.  I think Dylan was not genuine

[Robz888]

I didn't realize I was being emotional at all. I was giving gkrieg some light pushback for immediately voting--with no explanation--someone who made a post expressing the effort they were putting in.

Not you.  I think Dylan was not genuine

Ohhhh that makes more sense, I thought you were talking about me.

Dylan's emotion did seem genuine to me, FWIW.

[Witherweaver]

I see Gkrieg's point; I haven't played with Dylan before, though.

[Dylan32]

Sorry. The disappointment expressed in that post sort of bled through from other events, not this particular game.

[LaLight]

This reminds me how I always try to give reads or protect myself being town and people see my emotions over the top. I'm on Dylan's side here and vote: gkrieg because overemotionness is never from scum in my experience.

It isn't that he is being over emotive, it is that the emotion doesn't feel genuine

Well, I thought I knew wht "over the top" means. Either way, I don't see why it is ingenuine.

[LaLight]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

[Jimmmmm]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

[LaLight]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

Eevee is usually very active, you are not

[Jimmmmm]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

Eevee is usually very active, you are not

What are you saying? Eevee is scum for lurking?

[LaLight]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

Eevee is usually very active, you are not

What are you saying? Eevee is scum for lurking?

Looks suspicious from Eevee to lurk.

[Jimmmmm]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

Eevee is usually very active, you are not

What are you saying? Eevee is scum for lurking?

Looks suspicious from Eevee to lurk.

Do you think scum Eevee would not be able to think of anything to say, or would be afraid to post and risk incriminating himself?

[LaLight]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

Eevee is usually very active, you are not

What are you saying? Eevee is scum for lurking?

Looks suspicious from Eevee to lurk.

Do you think scum Eevee would not be able to think of anything to say, or would be afraid to post and risk incriminating himself?

As the game just started, scum!him doesn't want to draw attention because he either didn't think into game much or just doesn't want to post not to say something scummy. Sometimes even experienced players struggle to imitate contribution.

[Robz888]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

Eevee is usually very active, you are not

What are you saying? Eevee is scum for lurking?

Looks suspicious from Eevee to lurk.

Do you think scum Eevee would not be able to think of anything to say, or would be afraid to post and risk incriminating himself?

As the game just started, scum!him doesn't want to draw attention because he either didn't think into game much or just doesn't want to post not to say something scummy. Sometimes even experienced players struggle to imitate contribution.

I do have the recent experience of scum!Eevee, my partner at the time, doing some lurking in M-90. But I don't know if it's been enough time to really consider him a lurker here.

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.3

Jimmmmm (2): 2.71828..., Dylan32
UmbrageOfSnow (2): Jimmmmm, Witherweaver
Calamitas (2): LaLight, Roadrunner7671
Dylan32 (2): harbinger, gkrieg13
LaLight (1): UmbrageOfSnow

Not voting (3): Eevee, Calamitas, Robz888

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time.

[Witherweaver]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

He's cuter.

[Eevee]

I have returned.

vote: Dylan

Why? For trying?

The emotion in that post doesn't seem genuine.  It seems too over the top.

Interesting. I had the exact opposite thought, I thought the post looked towny.

[Eevee]

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

Eevee is usually very active, you are not

What are you saying? Eevee is scum for lurking?

Looks suspicious from Eevee to lurk.

Do you think scum Eevee would not be able to think of anything to say, or would be afraid to post and risk incriminating himself?

As the game just started, scum!him doesn't want to draw attention because he either didn't think into game much or just doesn't want to post not to say something scummy. Sometimes even experienced players struggle to imitate contribution.

I do have the recent experience of scum!Eevee, my partner at the time, doing some lurking in M-90. But I don't know if it's been enough time to really consider him a lurker here.

I was VLA, doing sports. I think I posted about it in the thred, or possibly dreamed it.

Back now, either way!

[2.71828.....]

It has been a slow couple opening days. I don't think jimmmmm is really scummy anymore, and I will go ahead and vote: UoS. His reaction to thinking I had accused him of being try-hard scum was interesting, and I want to explore that some more

[UmbrageOfSnow]

So explore it.  What do you think about my reaction?

If I called you try-hard scum when a wagon was starting to form on you and didn't vote you, would that cause you to vote for me?

[2.71828.....]

So explore it.  What do you think about my reaction?

If I called you try-hard scum when a wagon was starting to form on you and didn't vote you, would that cause you to vote for me?

But, the thing is, I didn't call you try hard scum. You thought I did.

The question to explore is would town!UoS or scum!UoS have that knee jerk reaction. I get skimming the thread and not fully reading the post (reading is hard, as I noted earlier), but would which alignment of UoS would go there faster? I think scum.

[Robz888]

Wow, we are stalled here. UoS or 2.7, it would be helpful if one of you would re-up this "try-hard scum" post for us to consider.

Or I guess I could try to find it on my own.

[Eevee]

I too have no idea what that's about, makes it hard to participate in this particular branch of discussion.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Request prods on everyone who needs them.

I think that's:
Dylan
Harbinger
Gkrieg
Calamitas

[UmbrageOfSnow]

There's really not much to discuss.  I misread something, made a read off it, then it was pointed out I'd misread something.

I really don't think there's anything insightful to be said, but go find it for yourselves.  It's been quoted a few times I think.

The fewer things we talk about, the closer to random the Day 1 lynch is and the less information there is to be had later.

[Dylan32]

I'm here. I went home for the day and am pretty LA. I'll be able to contribute more content tomorrow.

[Eevee]

Abstract theory thought: Which type of a player makes the best day 1 lynch?

Perhaps players who intentionally muddy up their playstyle as town to do better as scum?

Conversely, someone whose behavior is generally more revealing about their alignment ("possible to read?") would be good to keep alive, since there'd be more information on them available later.

[gkrieg13]

Just have been busy with stuff.  Sundays are usually when I do all of my catching up.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Abstract theory thought: Which type of a player makes the best day 1 lynch?

Perhaps players who intentionally muddy up their playstyle as town to do better as scum?

Conversely, someone whose behavior is generally more revealing about their alignment ("possible to read?") would be good to keep alive, since there'd be more information on them available later.

So who would that most make you want to lynch in this game?

I don't think we're committed to having to do a very low information Day 1 lynch unless we continue to mostly refuse to contribute, but I essentially agree with your reasoning.

[schadd]

prods sent to harbinger and Calamitas

[Calamitas]

Prod received, don't really know what to say here. Reread is in order.

[Roadrunner7671]

I probably should've been prodded, but similar to Calamitas, I have nothing to say

[Eevee]

I think an unconventional takeaway might be that some of the best players should be lynched more often day 1, as they'd be harder to figure out and and more capable of misleading the town later if they had rolled scum.

[2.71828.....]

It has been slow. Probably should have posted in v/la, went on a trip up to Seattle for a night. Back home the rest of the weekend, should have some more time.

[Eevee]

Vote: LaLight

[Dylan32]

Vote: LaLight

I'll buy that. Vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

[Robz888]

I think an unconventional takeaway might be that some of the best players should be lynched more often day 1, as they'd be harder to figure out and and more capable of misleading the town later if they had rolled scum.

I do not generally agree with this approach. Not all "good" players are equally good at being scum as they are at being town. I think it's possible that it's better to lynch people on Day 1 who are just hard to read in general. In this game, that's probably going to be UoS and harbinger, since I've never played with the latter and I haven't played with the former in ages and ages. I don't like to lynch true newbies on Day 1, though.

WW is also sort of hard to read, I guess, in my opinion.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

Only scum worry about votes with no case.

Vote: Lalight

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.4

Jimmmmm (1): 2.71828...
UmbrageOfSnow (1): Jimmmmm
Calamitas (2): LaLight, Roadrunner7671
Dylan32 (2): harbinger, gkrieg13
LaLight (4): UmbrageOfSnow, Eevee, Dylan32, Witherweaver

Not voting (2): Calamitas, Robz888

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in 3 days and 6 hours.

[Jimmmmm]

Mm, Day 1 is hard, and it's especially hard to get a good lynch.

In my experience, the Day 1 lynchee is often someone who draws a lot of attention to themself, whereas scum tend to be able to avoid drawing attention to themselves on Day 1, which I think in part is why it's so rare to lynch correctly this early.

Of course, any policy such as lynching good players or new players or whatever is bad and unhelpful, as it allows people to vote without giving an actual reason.

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

Only scum worry about votes with no case.

Vote: Lalight

Erm, no? I always worry about it.
I don't like how quickly my wagon is growing. I am ready to say there's scum on it. vote: Dylan32

[gkrieg13]

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

Only scum worry about votes with no case.

Vote: Lalight

Erm, no? I always worry about it.
I don't like how quickly my wagon is growing. I am ready to say there's scum on it. vote: Dylan32

What about his vote was scummy?

[Jimmmmm]

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

[gkrieg13]

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

I think his emotion was off on that post I mentioned earlier, and I think this weird sheep vote is also out of character for him.

[Calamitas]

Okay so about the setup.

We have a Jailkeeper who I'm sure is smart enough to figure out how to use their power and we need not talk about it.
We have a Vig who as we know should not shoot until at least the mid-late game.
And we have a Named Townie who has dreams of catching scum but will probably never happen.

Scum have a Rolecop which should help them PR-hunt quite a bit.
If they get a JK, it may be helpful for them given the PoE they will have already been doing.

Ultimately the best thing we have going for us setup-wise is the possibility of blocking a scum kill. As I said, this doesn't really need to be talked about any further, so for now we should pretty much treat it like a vanilla game and focus on scumhunting.

Just saw this and I'm not sure about the "vig-not-shooting" part. We are an even number of people so shooting should be at least worth consideration. I think the extra info on D2 would definitely be useful and I don't think the potential benefit in regard to odds by waiting until the night before MyLo is worth the risk of having a town-controlled kill less. So overall I think the vig should shoot here.

[Jimmmmm]

Okay so about the setup.

We have a Jailkeeper who I'm sure is smart enough to figure out how to use their power and we need not talk about it.
We have a Vig who as we know should not shoot until at least the mid-late game.
And we have a Named Townie who has dreams of catching scum but will probably never happen.

Scum have a Rolecop which should help them PR-hunt quite a bit.
If they get a JK, it may be helpful for them given the PoE they will have already been doing.

Ultimately the best thing we have going for us setup-wise is the possibility of blocking a scum kill. As I said, this doesn't really need to be talked about any further, so for now we should pretty much treat it like a vanilla game and focus on scumhunting.

Just saw this and I'm not sure about the "vig-not-shooting" part. We are an even number of people so shooting should be at least worth consideration. I think the extra info on D2 would definitely be useful and I don't think the potential benefit in regard to odds by waiting until the night before MyLo is worth the risk of having a town-controlled kill less. So overall I think the vig should shoot here.

Clearly it's up to the Vig and not worth talking too much about, but I think it's generally accepted that early game Vigs are generally anti-Town, and later more informed shots are better.

[Eevee]

I think an unconventional takeaway might be that some of the best players should be lynched more often day 1, as they'd be harder to figure out and and more capable of misleading the town later if they had rolled scum.

I do not generally agree with this approach. Not all "good" players are equally good at being scum as they are at being town. I think it's possible that it's better to lynch people on Day 1 who are just hard to read in general. In this game, that's probably going to be UoS and harbinger, since I've never played with the latter and I haven't played with the former in ages and ages. I don't like to lynch true newbies on Day 1, though.

WW is also sort of hard to read, I guess, in my opinion.

WW is a great example of someone who is very good, and very very hard to read.

[Eevee]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

[Dylan32]

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

I think his emotion was off on that post I mentioned earlier, and I think this weird sheep vote is also out of character for him.

I was going to vote LL after rereading anyway and voiced agreement for the previous vote. I didn't actually intend to suggest that the prior vote led me to that conclusion, although looking back I definitely see why you see it like that.

[Robz888]

Okay so about the setup.

We have a Jailkeeper who I'm sure is smart enough to figure out how to use their power and we need not talk about it.
We have a Vig who as we know should not shoot until at least the mid-late game.
And we have a Named Townie who has dreams of catching scum but will probably never happen.

Scum have a Rolecop which should help them PR-hunt quite a bit.
If they get a JK, it may be helpful for them given the PoE they will have already been doing.

Ultimately the best thing we have going for us setup-wise is the possibility of blocking a scum kill. As I said, this doesn't really need to be talked about any further, so for now we should pretty much treat it like a vanilla game and focus on scumhunting.

Just saw this and I'm not sure about the "vig-not-shooting" part. We are an even number of people so shooting should be at least worth consideration. I think the extra info on D2 would definitely be useful and I don't think the potential benefit in regard to odds by waiting until the night before MyLo is worth the risk of having a town-controlled kill less. So overall I think the vig should shoot here.

Calamitas making setup-theory posts I don't agree with is very much his town MO.

[Robz888]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

LL also blended in early in Mafia 90 and we advanced the case that this made him scum. But we (me, Eevee, WW) were scum making that case, and LL was town.

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

I am less active lately due to much IRL stuff happening, mostly new job and the fact I am not active on weekends ever. I hope I will have time to reread and step up today.

[LaLight]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

[Eevee]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

[LaLight]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

It's levels and levels. I would say this is really scummy, but in WW's case... Well, maybe it's really he does that as scum so everyone would think he's town because he would never do that as scum. I may believe in that. vote: WW.

[schadd]

harbinger has failed to respond to prods and is being replaced.

[Robz888]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

I agree.

[Witherweaver]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

It's levels and levels. I would say this is really scummy, but in WW's case... Well, maybe it's really he does that as scum so everyone would think he's town because he would never do that as scum. I may believe in that. vote: WW.

Delayed OMGUS!

[Witherweaver]

Wait, DOMGUS.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I actually agree with Calamitas on the theory issue, but it's also not worth talking about.

I want to hear Gkrieg's reasoning for the "definitely."

What do the other people voting LaLight think of my reason for voting LaLight way back?

[2.71828.....]

What do the other people voting LaLight think of my reason for voting LaLight way back?

As someone not voting for LaLight, I disagree. 

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

There is always the classic "all jokes are scummy" that some people believe (or used to believe) in.  There is some historical data that backs it up (I have totally played free and loose as scum making jokes and such) but also some historical data that refutes it (I have also made jokes as town).  The question is whether LaLight makes jokes here.  Looking at his first post (the one that brought this all up) I tend to think that this is more town!LaLight making pseudo-serious joke post about flavor.

[2.71828.....]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

It's levels and levels. I would say this is really scummy, but in WW's case... Well, maybe it's really he does that as scum so everyone would think he's town because he would never do that as scum. I may believe in that. vote: WW.

I could get on board with this

vote: WW

[gkrieg13]

I actually agree with Calamitas on the theory issue, but it's also not worth talking about.

I want to hear Gkrieg's reasoning for the "definitely."

What do the other people voting LaLight think of my reason for voting LaLight way back?

Definitely was just because there were two scummy things that he did today.

[Jimmmmm]

I could get on board with this

Vote: WW

[schadd]

EFHW has replaced harbinger, effective immediately. everyone say thank you to EFHW

[Eevee]

Thank you, EFHW!

[Roadrunner7671]

Thanks EFHW!

You're town, right?

[Robz888]

Welcome, EFHW.

So, everyone really liked the WW pile on, huh?

[Witherweaver]

Welcome, EFHW.

So, everyone really liked the WW pile on, huh?

No?

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.5

Calamitas (1): Roadrunner7671
Dylan32 (2): EFHW, gkrieg13
LaLight (4): UmbrageOfSnow, Eevee, Dylan32, Witherweaver
Witherweaver (3): LaLight, 2.71828..., Jimmmmm

Not voting (2): Calamitas, Robz888

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in 1 day + 8 and a half hours

[Robz888]

I didn't realize LaLight was our leading wagon. Just did a CTRL + F to see why people were voting for him. It ain't pretty.

Vote: LaLight

What reason would scum have to all want the same flavor, anyway?

Fun theory: they discussed flavor to some extent in the QT.

Vote: LaLight

Vote: LaLight

Vote: LaLight

I'll buy that. Vote: LaLight

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

Only scum worry about votes with no case.

Vote: Lalight

WW is the only one who gives anything close to an explanation for his vote. Consequently, I'm not a huge fan of WW as an alternative lynch.

[Eevee]

Robz, just to be fair:

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

[LaLight]

Hi EFHW! Nice to see you again!

[LaLight]

Yes, my wagon is quite weird.

[EFHW]

Hi everyone. I'll catch up soon.

[Robz888]

Robz, just to be fair:

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

That's right, I remember you saying that now. Unfortunately, I thought it was a mildly scummy thing, when coming from you and directed at LL...

[Robz888]

Vote: UmbrageofSnow

Why? Well, because I don't like any of the current wagons, and UoS is hard for me to read.

[Eevee]

Robz, just to be fair:

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

That's right, I remember you saying that now. Unfortunately, I thought it was a mildly scummy thing, when coming from you and directed at LL...

I remember the game you mentioned differently. I do think that LaLight has always been visible - if not actively leading, at least a topic of discussion due to saying some controversial things or starting some interesting discussions. This time I didn't remember he was playing until I skimmed through the player list, which I thought was noteworthy.

Of course, it's very very thin, can't say I expected people to join in to vote. I just think that if LL was town, there is some likelihood he would have played a different game, made some jokes he hasn't made this time or brought up something he hasn't now. Could of course be that he is town and has decided to play differently or have had less time, but I think the probability of him being scum is somewhat heightened because of that, which is a better read than I have on anyone else, so I voted.

[Jimmmmm]

Hi eefoo!

[Dylan32]

Hi and thanks EFHW!

Vote: Robz.

[Robz888]

Hi and thanks EFHW!

Vote: Robz.

For...?

[LaLight]

Robz, just to be fair:

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

That's right, I remember you saying that now. Unfortunately, I thought it was a mildly scummy thing, when coming from you and directed at LL...

I remember the game you mentioned differently. I do think that LaLight has always been visible - if not actively leading, at least a topic of discussion due to saying some controversial things or starting some interesting discussions. This time I didn't remember he was playing until I skimmed through the player list, which I thought was noteworthy.

Of course, it's very very thin, can't say I expected people to join in to vote. I just think that if LL was town, there is some likelihood he would have played a different game, made some jokes he hasn't made this time or brought up something he hasn't now. Could of course be that he is town and has decided to play differently or have had less time, but I think the probability of him being scum is somewhat heightened because of that, which is a better read than I have on anyone else, so I voted.

D1 and nothing really happened. I am quite quiet in the beginning of D1 usually, I need something to happen to step up. And as much as i hate it, this is true, i have less time

[Dylan32]

Hi and thanks EFHW!

Vote: Robz.

For...?

Because you are hard for me to read. Apparently that is enough...

[Robz888]

Hi and thanks EFHW!

Vote: Robz.

For...?

Because you are hard for me to read. Apparently that is enough...

Ah, okay.

[LaLight]

Hi and thanks EFHW!

Vote: Robz.

For...?

Because you are hard for me to read. Apparently that is enough...
[/

It's easy! The townier he seems the scummer he is!

[LaLight]

Phoneposting. I hope you have got it.

[LaLight]

Now he seems null which makes him null.

[EFHW]

Ok, I'm caught up.  I still feel bad about the last game, so I'll have trouble voting gkrieg, so I seriously hope he is town.

I do wonder what LL was trying to accomplish with his joke. I think it was way too subtle to be confident that people would get it.  I'm having trouble seeing a scum motive there, though.

I don't feel ready to vote, but I will by tomorrow morning, so people know where I stand ahead of tomorrow evening's deadline.

[EFHW]

I am noticing that Jimmmmm is doing a couple advice posts, which was a scumtell for me against Eevee a while back. I think I was a spectator in that game. They all blur together.

I didn't like Calamitas picking up on LL's ironic suggestion. Haven't decided if I think it was scummy.

That's all I've got right now. I'll probably have to read the thread again. At least it's not long and is almost all on topic.

[EFHW]

Just noticed I'm already voting! unvote.

[LaLight]

oh, wow, deadline is today. Why are people so inactive mainly? Is there anyone to be prodded?

[2.71828.....]

oh, wow, deadline is today. Why are people so inactive mainly? Is there anyone to be prodded?

Wow. That's right. Let's lynch WW

[LaLight]

anyway. I am okay with WW lynch and with Dylan lynch. Eevee is null to scummer. All the others are null, there is someone I can't remember posting something at all, like gkrieg and RR (which is quite strange). for now, WW as a candidate perfectly suits me.

[LaLight]

Is there anyone who played NM9 around? ah, Dylan! Remember, when a newbie left and you subbed in just because he couldn't bear playing as scum? We should consider that too, may be the case. Though may be whatever this is. I'll look at EFHW, I played with her many times, but she was never scum. Though I remember rereading old games where she was one.

[Dylan32]

Is there anyone who played NM9 around? ah, Dylan! Remember, when a newbie left and you subbed in just because he couldn't bear playing as scum? We should consider that too, may be the case. Though may be whatever this is. I'll look at EFHW, I played with her many times, but she was never scum. Though I remember rereading old games where she was one.

I don't know if "I can't bear playing as scum" was the reason as much as it was "I have quickly realized this kind of thing isn't actually for me."  Who did I even sub in for in that game, and have they played since? I don't think I've seen them again, which makes me think they probably would have quit anyway.

[Eevee]

In my experience the people who've subbed out have been town the overwhelming majority of the time.

unvote

Town points for notifying everyone about the deadline (woah!), and also because the early game joke is actually just the kind of thing I was saying I would expect from lalight.

I don't like joining big existing wagons at this point, I don't trust any of you to be town so it feels like the chance of a wagon forming on scum is smaller.

Vote: dylan? checks the boxes of being hard to read, and traditionally looking towny
to me but not here. (very thin reasons again, i'm sorry dylan i know this is hard to defend against. desperate times).

[LaLight]

In my experience the people who've subbed out have been town the overwhelming majority of the time.

unvote

Town points for notifying everyone about the deadline (woah!), and also because the early game joke is actually just the kind of thing I was saying I would expect from lalight.

I don't like joining big existing wagons at this point, I don't trust any of you to be town so it feels like the chance of a wagon forming on scum is smaller.

Vote: dylan? checks the boxes of being hard to read, and traditionally looking towny
to me but not here. (very thin reasons again, i'm sorry dylan i know this is hard to defend against. desperate times).

Why don't you like WW wagon? Is he easier to read than Dylan?

[Eevee]

Too many people on it. I think he/other scum would me more motivated to do something about that if it was correct.

I would join to avoid no lynch, I really really can't read WW, other than his wagon positions and such. He is a total mystery to me until we get flips (so I agree a great lynch in that regard - i don't think he would be one of the hardest people to develop a strong townread on for me as well later).

Actually kind of talking myself into voting WW now. The perils of being too damn good at being scum.

[Witherweaver]

I'd prefer not to get lynched.  I'm also pretty busy for, like, the rest of this week; I don't think I'll have time to really do anything substantial today.

[Robz888]

In my experience the people who've subbed out have been town the overwhelming majority of the time.

unvote

Town points for notifying everyone about the deadline (woah!), and also because the early game joke is actually just the kind of thing I was saying I would expect from lalight.

I don't like joining big existing wagons at this point, I don't trust any of you to be town so it feels like the chance of a wagon forming on scum is smaller.

Vote: dylan? checks the boxes of being hard to read, and traditionally looking towny
to me but not here. (very thin reasons again, i'm sorry dylan i know this is hard to defend against. desperate times).

This is a town-ish post, since the easier thing for a scum to do here would be to just promote an existing wagon. I'm also fairly okay with Dylan... I mean, there isn't really a good reason to lynch Dylan, but there also isn't a reason not to, and we have to lynch someone.

But I voted UoS in order to get some kind of reaction, and I've gotten... nothing. Anybody like this wagon?

[gkrieg13]

Starting a reread:

So, here's a theory. Scum could cooperate to choose their favorite flavor and win it, which may be indicative. let's see..

les playeurs:
1. Eevee
2. LaLight
3. UmbrageOfSnow may choose physics
4. 2.71828... may choose physics
5. Dylan32 may choose physics
6. ashersky
7. Jimmmmm - ?
8. Robz888
9. gkrieg13
10. Witherweaver
11. Calamitas may choose physics
12. harbinger

AND also, which is important! Ash said that if this will be physics, he's out. If he was scum, they would never do it, cause they'd want ash in their team, so RR is an IC.

I chose squirrels, let's claim this.

vote: Calamitas

I give slight scum points to this.  It seems like too much to think about so quickly.

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

I think this is townie from Jimmmmm.  Null for Calamitas.

Robz gives me slight scum vibes.

Eevee seems townie to me, but I want him to post one more post in the part of the forum that counts so his post count can be 1000.

Actually flavor claiming is straight up terrible.  VTs have a known identical flavor name, so it would just out all the PRs.

People are talking about claiming whether you voted for Physics or not.

Which is about as useful as asking "Do you prefer scum or town" and trying to WIFOM the answers IMO.  But it's not actively bad, just pointless.

This is UoS either misunderstanding what the flavor talk was all about, or trying to find people scummy for something they weren't actually saying.  Scum points to UoS.

LaLight gets scummier and scummier with his defense.

Jimmmm is my strongest town read surprisingly.

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

Thing is that I was 100% joking. Somehow that went as a serious conversation i the end. I think flavor choosing is irrelevant and I don't think RR is IC.

It is not irrelevant, it is proper evidence and makes rr more likely to be town. Not remotely close to IC but still evidence in favor of him being town.

This is a very Calamitas thing to say.  I think it makes him slightly townie actually.

Also Dylan is so far in the background.  Much more than he usually is.

Dang it. I just reread everything twice and the only thing I come away with is a slight town read on Eevee. #105 seems like something scum would probably not say since bringing up flavor claiming is clearly not good for town. I think that was more likely confused/careless/distracted!town.  Other than that, I've just seen a whole bunch of null. At one time I had a reason for voting for Jimmmmm, but I've since forgotten what it was and couldn't remember on the reread.  I didn't see anything that made me want to move it now though.

If I had to pick someone to be suspicious of, right now it might be LL for the joke/not joke thing, although for unspeakable reasons I'm not putting much stock in that; and I might be a freckle suspicious of harbinger, purely for openly suggesting ignoring evidence prior to better evidence being available.  Once better evidence is there, yeah, I agree with his logic, but until it shows up, just discarding it because "all the other clues will probably overshadow it" isn't the best idea. This isn't really enough for me to scum!read them yet; it's just enough to read them closely.

This post still doesn't seem genuine to me.  The Dang it to open it just seems fake to me.

I think WW is also town.  He seems very WWy.

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

I think his emotion was off on that post I mentioned earlier, and I think this weird sheep vote is also out of character for him.

I was going to vote LL after rereading anyway and voiced agreement for the previous vote. I didn't actually intend to suggest that the prior vote led me to that conclusion, although looking back I definitely see why you see it like that.

The way that Dylan and LaLight are voting for each other makes me almost certain that one or both of them are scum.

Hi and thanks EFHW!

Vote: Robz.

For...?

Because you are hard for me to read. Apparently that is enough...

And this is Dylan's reasoning for getting off the LaLight wagon.

Ok, I'm caught up.  I still feel bad about the last game, so I'll have trouble voting gkrieg, so I seriously hope he is town.

I do wonder what LL was trying to accomplish with his joke. I think it was way too subtle to be confident that people would get it.  I'm having trouble seeing a scum motive there, though.

I don't feel ready to vote, but I will by tomorrow morning, so people know where I stand ahead of tomorrow evening's deadline.

I totally agree with this.  I can't believe you weren't scum in that game!!!

Anyway,

town: Jimmmmmm, Eevee, Calamitas, WW

null (from town to scum): e, EFHW, UoS, RR, Robz

scum: Dylan, LaLight

vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

Me and Dylan? Both scum? Do you really believe we can be in a team? That would be sooo bad play. I catch scum vibes from Dylan, that's true. But voting for me you merely are making a mistake. I was thinking about my first post a lot, because reasons I can't mention. Let's tell i had a lot of time then and wanted to open rvs with a good joke. That's all.

Unfortunately I won't be here closer to deadline, but i will claim before going to sleep (deadline is 6am at my place) if my wagon will be viable.

Let's lynch scum today, guys, not me.

[LaLight]

Playing more and more i more often ask myself, how would it be if i was in a scum team with guys i played ~10 games with. It's just i try to imagine me and dylan in a team. I think that would be more professional, but I don't know

[Witherweaver]

I'd be okay with Dylan.

[LaLight]

Also note, WW is hard to lynch while my wagon is growing fast.

[LaLight]

My overwhelming experience tells me this is not a coincidence.

[LaLight]

WW is always WWy, i remember rereading the game when he and mcmc were scums and won lynching Robz I don't remember either number or flavor but i remember me noting WW haven't changed much. Town!WW contributes more, look at RMM39.

[Dylan32]

Starting a reread:

So, here's a theory. Scum could cooperate to choose their favorite flavor and win it, which may be indicative. let's see..

les playeurs:
1. Eevee
2. LaLight
3. UmbrageOfSnow may choose physics
4. 2.71828... may choose physics
5. Dylan32 may choose physics
6. ashersky
7. Jimmmmm - ?
8. Robz888
9. gkrieg13
10. Witherweaver
11. Calamitas may choose physics
12. harbinger

AND also, which is important! Ash said that if this will be physics, he's out. If he was scum, they would never do it, cause they'd want ash in their team, so RR is an IC.

I chose squirrels, let's claim this.

vote: Calamitas

I give slight scum points to this.  It seems like too much to think about so quickly.

Vote: Calamatis for trying to push pointless flavour talk.

I think this is townie from Jimmmmm.  Null for Calamitas.

Robz gives me slight scum vibes.

Eevee seems townie to me, but I want him to post one more post in the part of the forum that counts so his post count can be 1000.

Actually flavor claiming is straight up terrible.  VTs have a known identical flavor name, so it would just out all the PRs.

People are talking about claiming whether you voted for Physics or not.

Which is about as useful as asking "Do you prefer scum or town" and trying to WIFOM the answers IMO.  But it's not actively bad, just pointless.

This is UoS either misunderstanding what the flavor talk was all about, or trying to find people scummy for something they weren't actually saying.  Scum points to UoS.

LaLight gets scummier and scummier with his defense.

Jimmmm is my strongest town read surprisingly.

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

Thing is that I was 100% joking. Somehow that went as a serious conversation i the end. I think flavor choosing is irrelevant and I don't think RR is IC.

It is not irrelevant, it is proper evidence and makes rr more likely to be town. Not remotely close to IC but still evidence in favor of him being town.

This is a very Calamitas thing to say.  I think it makes him slightly townie actually.

Also Dylan is so far in the background.  Much more than he usually is.

Dang it. I just reread everything twice and the only thing I come away with is a slight town read on Eevee. #105 seems like something scum would probably not say since bringing up flavor claiming is clearly not good for town. I think that was more likely confused/careless/distracted!town.  Other than that, I've just seen a whole bunch of null. At one time I had a reason for voting for Jimmmmm, but I've since forgotten what it was and couldn't remember on the reread.  I didn't see anything that made me want to move it now though.

If I had to pick someone to be suspicious of, right now it might be LL for the joke/not joke thing, although for unspeakable reasons I'm not putting much stock in that; and I might be a freckle suspicious of harbinger, purely for openly suggesting ignoring evidence prior to better evidence being available.  Once better evidence is there, yeah, I agree with his logic, but until it shows up, just discarding it because "all the other clues will probably overshadow it" isn't the best idea. This isn't really enough for me to scum!read them yet; it's just enough to read them closely.

This post still doesn't seem genuine to me.  The Dang it to open it just seems fake to me.

I think WW is also town.  He seems very WWy.

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

I think his emotion was off on that post I mentioned earlier, and I think this weird sheep vote is also out of character for him.

I was going to vote LL after rereading anyway and voiced agreement for the previous vote. I didn't actually intend to suggest that the prior vote led me to that conclusion, although looking back I definitely see why you see it like that.

The way that Dylan and LaLight are voting for each other makes me almost certain that one or both of them are scum.

Hi and thanks EFHW!

Vote: Robz.

For...?

Because you are hard for me to read. Apparently that is enough...

And this is Dylan's reasoning for getting off the LaLight wagon.

Ok, I'm caught up.  I still feel bad about the last game, so I'll have trouble voting gkrieg, so I seriously hope he is town.

I do wonder what LL was trying to accomplish with his joke. I think it was way too subtle to be confident that people would get it.  I'm having trouble seeing a scum motive there, though.

I don't feel ready to vote, but I will by tomorrow morning, so people know where I stand ahead of tomorrow evening's deadline.

I totally agree with this.  I can't believe you weren't scum in that game!!!

Anyway,

town: Jimmmmmm, Eevee, Calamitas, WW

null (from town to scum): e, EFHW, UoS, RR, Robz

scum: Dylan, LaLight

vote: LaLight

You missed the satire of my reason for voting Robz that was me saying that I found his reason for his vote scummy. 

Also, I've just had a really hard time seeing stuff this game that I had thoughts about that weren't already said by other people.  Furthermore, may I point you to NM9 were I was literally the farthest thing from being in the background as scum? I don't want to be in the background as either alignment, but if I don't have anything to say, I'm more likely to stay quiet as town because scum!me would be more conscious about not looking like a lurker. (I know this last statement is weak from your perspective, but it's true)

[Witherweaver]

Also note, WW is hard to lynch while my wagon is growing fast.

I don't think me being hard to lynch is correlated to my alignment, let alone causally related.

[Robz888]

I don't really agree with gkrieg's reads at all, which is unusual. I think his reasons for suspecting LaLight and Dylan aren't that good, and they're terrible by town!gkrieg standards.

I think it's most likely neither LL nor Dylan are scum, and baffling unlikely they are both scum.

I'm tempted to vote for Gkrieg here!

[LaLight]

I don't really agree with gkrieg's reads at all, which is unusual. I think his reasons for suspecting LaLight and Dylan aren't that good, and they're terrible by town!gkrieg standards.

I think it's most likely neither LL nor Dylan are scum, and baffling unlikely they are both scum.

I'm tempted to vote for Gkrieg here!

Hey, bad reads D1 even from gkrieg do not necessarily mean he's scum!

[Robz888]

I don't really agree with gkrieg's reads at all, which is unusual. I think his reasons for suspecting LaLight and Dylan aren't that good, and they're terrible by town!gkrieg standards.

I think it's most likely neither LL nor Dylan are scum, and baffling unlikely they are both scum.

I'm tempted to vote for Gkrieg here!

Hey, bad reads D1 even from gkrieg do not necessarily mean he's scum!

Well, I will say that "at least one and maybe both are scum" is a scum tell IMO. Gotta leave the door open on lynching everybody.

[gkrieg13]

I don't really agree with gkrieg's reads at all, which is unusual. I think his reasons for suspecting LaLight and Dylan aren't that good, and they're terrible by town!gkrieg standards.

I think it's most likely neither LL nor Dylan are scum, and baffling unlikely they are both scum.

I'm tempted to vote for Gkrieg here!

Hey, bad reads D1 even from gkrieg do not necessarily mean he's scum!

Well, I will say that "at least one and maybe both are scum" is a scum tell IMO. Gotta leave the door open on lynching everybody.

Except that I claimed a bunch of town reads and only want to lynch 2 people.  That is definitely not "leave the door open on lynching everybody"

[EFHW]

Looking at that quote from gkrieg, Lalight's "joke" was really elaborate. It doesn't really feel like a joke, actually.  It feels like Joseph's stunt about flavor in a recent game.

Were some choices made after receiving alignments? Or is what he is describing actually impossible?

[Calamitas]

Looking at that quote from gkrieg, Lalight's "joke" was really elaborate. It doesn't really feel like a joke, actually.  It feels like Joseph's stunt about flavor in a recent game.

Were some choices made after receiving alignments? Or is what he is describing actually impossible?

There was a vote before alignments were known and a runoff vote after alignments were known. Since ash said he would out for physics, the latter round actually matters.

[Dylan32]

People probably don't care, but if it does matter, I didn't actually vote for anything in the runoff, so I couldn't remember if it happened before or after alignments were handed out, which the main reason I didn't really talk about the setup speculation earlier.

[Robz888]

People probably don't care, but if it does matter, I didn't actually vote for anything in the runoff, so I couldn't remember if it happened before or after alignments were handed out, which the main reason I didn't really talk about the setup speculation earlier.

Me too!

[Robz888]

I don't really agree with gkrieg's reads at all, which is unusual. I think his reasons for suspecting LaLight and Dylan aren't that good, and they're terrible by town!gkrieg standards.

I think it's most likely neither LL nor Dylan are scum, and baffling unlikely they are both scum.

I'm tempted to vote for Gkrieg here!

Hey, bad reads D1 even from gkrieg do not necessarily mean he's scum!

Well, I will say that "at least one and maybe both are scum" is a scum tell IMO. Gotta leave the door open on lynching everybody.

Except that I claimed a bunch of town reads and only want to lynch 2 people.  That is definitely not "leave the door open on lynching everybody"

But you're leaving the door open on two of the people we're most likely to lynch right now.

[EFHW]

Looking at that quote from gkrieg, Lalight's "joke" was really elaborate. It doesn't really feel like a joke, actually.  It feels like Joseph's stunt about flavor in a recent game.

Were some choices made after receiving alignments? Or is what he is describing actually impossible?

There was a vote before alignments were known and a runoff vote after alignments were known. Since ash said he would out for physics, the latter round actually matters.

It looks like it was poll attached the thread?  Is there any way for me to look at the results?  harbinger doesn't say anything in his qt about it.

[EFHW]

Is there any way for me to look at the results?

sbolded for schadd

[Robz888]

Is there any way for me to look at the results?

sbolded for schadd

It honestly feels like a step backward to talk about this stuff again.

[Dylan32]

Is there any way for me to look at the results?

sbolded for schadd

It honestly feels like a step backward to talk about this stuff again.

Robz, stop saying stuff that I agree with. You normally don't, and it's making me uncomfortably townread you...

[EFHW]

Is there any way for me to look at the results?

sbolded for schadd

It honestly feels like a step backward to talk about this stuff again.

Except I wasn't playing when it first came up.  I promise not to clutter the thread with it!

[Robz888]

Is there any way for me to look at the results?

sbolded for schadd

It honestly feels like a step backward to talk about this stuff again.

Robz, stop saying stuff that I agree with. You normally don't, and it's making me uncomfortably townread you...

As LaLight would say, this almost certainly means you should actually think I'm scum then.

[Dylan32]

Is there any way for me to look at the results?

sbolded for schadd

It honestly feels like a step backward to talk about this stuff again.

Robz, stop saying stuff that I agree with. You normally don't, and it's making me uncomfortably townread you...

As LaLight would say, this almost certainly means you should actually think I'm scum then.

  Thanks. Ask IDontPlayThisGame, telling someone to think you are scum is definitely a scum thing to do. My vote on you is no longer "I think your vote was scummy" and is now "I'm betting you are scum."

[Dylan32]

Now, according to LL, I should be townreading you because I think you are scummy, but we can't always do what LL says.

[EFHW]

Is there any way for me to look at the results?

sbolded for schadd

It honestly feels like a step backward to talk about this stuff again.

Robz, stop saying stuff that I agree with. You normally don't, and it's making me uncomfortably townread you...

As LaLight would say, this almost certainly means you should actually think I'm scum then.

Don't go there with the WIFOM! I don't want to create a policy lynch just for you.

[EFHW]

vote count please

[Dylan32]

Is there any way for me to look at the results?

sbolded for schadd

It honestly feels like a step backward to talk about this stuff again.

Robz, stop saying stuff that I agree with. You normally don't, and it's making me uncomfortably townread you...

As LaLight would say, this almost certainly means you should actually think I'm scum then.

Don't go there with the WIFOM! I don't want to create a policy lynch just for you.

The only time I've ever seen someone tell someone else to either scum read them or that their reason for townreading them was weak was me to IDPTG. He's still bitter about it.  I could absolutely see scum!Robz doing this as scum too.

[2.71828.....]

Too many people on it. I think he/other scum would me more motivated to do something about that if it was correct.

I would join to avoid no lynch, I really really can't read WW, other than his wagon positions and such. He is a total mystery to me until we get flips (so I agree a great lynch in that regard - i don't think he would be one of the hardest people to develop a strong townread on for me as well later).

Actually kind of talking myself into voting WW now. The perils of being too damn good at being scum.

Vote: eevee

This post and the one before feel scummy to me. I will be around leading up to deadline

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.6

Calamitas (1): Roadrunner7671
Dylan32 (1): Eevee
LaLight (3): UmbrageOfSnow, Witherweaver, gkrieg13
Witherweaver (2): LaLight, Jimmmmm
UmbrageOfSnow (1): Robz888
Robz888 (1): Dylan32
Eevee (1): 2.71828...

Not voting (2): Calamitas, EFHW

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time.

[schadd]

Is there any way for me to look at the results?

sorry, i didn't have them saved. physics was at 8, "the clickhole version of highschool" was at 7. iirc, squirrels was at 6 and nothing else was larger than 6.

[Robz888]

Wow, we're getting close. I hate to move off UoS without getting any kind of comment on that vote, from anyone, including UoS., but...

Vote: WW

We need a person to lynch, and WW is a person.

[Jimmmmm]

I hate to move off UoS without getting any kind of comment on that vote, from anyone, including UoS., but...

What kind of comments were you expecting from "He's hard for me to read"?

[Witherweaver]

Wow, we're getting close. I hate to move off UoS without getting any kind of comment on that vote, from anyone, including UoS., but...

Vote: WW

We need a person to lynch, and WW is a person.

My sources say that you, also, are a person.

[Eevee]

I skimmed through UoS's posts, I wouldn't oppose hig lynch, but also didn't see anything there.

I mean, it's practically same as my Dylan vote, or lynching WW or LaLight.

Meh. I'll try to reread more people, probably up for a few hours still. Busy right now.

[Jimmmmm]

I'll be more or less around until deadline. Unlikely I'll make any big plays, but my vote is available to any compelling cases.

[Robz888]

I will also be more or less around.

[Roadrunner7671]

I should be around. I should also find a better place for my vote.

[Robz888]

I should be around. I should also find a better place for my vote.

This is true.

[Robz888]

Everyone needs to find better places for their votes, actually. Both the LL and WW wagons feel stupid to me, but they are the only places with a concentration of votes.

[EFHW]

I'll sheep e and vote:  Eevee. I wish I more time to come up with my own opinion. Next time.

[EFHW]

I'll also be around for deadline.

[Robz888]

I'll sheep e and vote:  Eevee. I wish I more time to come up with my own opinion. Next time.

Eevee's recent contributions have felt extremely townie to me.

[LaLight]

Okay, I am checking in and going to bed. Seems like WW is not happening and i will switch to the next best option.vote: Dylan

Don't lynch me please, this is pointless.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I'm here, catching up soon.  Won't be around at deadline but I'll be around for a good couple hours.  Not sure when I have to go yet but 2 or 3 hours from now.  Sorry life has been crazy.

[Witherweaver]

Okay

Vote: Dylan

[Eevee]

Everyone needs to find better places for their votes, actually. Both the LL and WW wagons feel stupid to me, but they are the only places with a concentration of votes.

I 100% agree with this, but feel dumb saying/thinking it, because I don't have any better alternatives to propose. The deadline feels very sudden.

[Robz888]

Everyone needs to find better places for their votes, actually. Both the LL and WW wagons feel stupid to me, but they are the only places with a concentration of votes.

I 100% agree with this, but feel dumb saying/thinking it, because I don't have any better alternatives to propose. The deadline feels very sudden.

It does.

[Robz888]

Okay, I am checking in and going to bed. Seems like WW is not happening and i will switch to the next best option.vote: Dylan

Don't lynch me please, this is pointless.

Well now it feels like LaLight is the only option. Vote: La Light

[Robz888]

Okay

Vote: Dylan

Missed this. Okay, some traction on Dylan. What's the case against Dylan? Not that it matters.

[Robz888]

The fake emotion thing. Right. I did not think that was a thing, though.

But, Dylan is a person in this game.

Vote: Dylan

[Robz888]

Man I hate all these options. Random vote RR? Just because I can't recall a single contribution from RR the whole game, and didn't in fact recall RR was even playing?

Vote: RR

[Eevee]

Vote: RR appeals to me.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: RR

meep meep

[EFHW]

I'll sheep e and vote:  Eevee. I wish I more time to come up with my own opinion. Next time.

Eevee's recent contributions have felt extremely townie to me.

You always defend Eevee. If I have a chance before 10 I'll try harder. This was a really sudden deadline for me.

[EFHW]

I'm not going to sheep a random RR vote.

[Eevee]

I prefer to say Robz always reads me well.

[Calamitas]

Online now, will be around for about two hours. Haven't been able to follow closely though the last few days. Will help to get a vote through, don't have real preferences besides not lynching LaLight.

[Witherweaver]

I mean I'd lynch Robz, too. 

[UmbrageOfSnow]

So is e, who wasn't voting LaLight the only person who responded to my "Hey people voting LaLight, do you agree with my reason or not" question?

Robz missed my reasoning I think and Gkrieg seems to have misread my post and then accused my of misreading, which implies to me more of a skim on his big reread than it should have been.  Which might actually be towny, although I hate to say things like that.

Anyway, Eevee, WW, Dylan?

[Robz888]

So is e, who wasn't voting LaLight the only person who responded to my "Hey people voting LaLight, do you agree with my reason or not" question?

Robz missed my reasoning I think and Gkrieg seems to have misread my post and then accused my of misreading, which implies to me more of a skim on his big reread than it should have been.  Which might actually be towny, although I hate to say things like that.

Anyway, Eevee, WW, Dylan?

What did I miss?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

It's not really important at this point Robz, but about the joke thing.  I was just commenting on the "no one had reasons for this" thing you said.

Anyway I mostly wanted to get a comment from the others voting LaLight who I think didn't buy my reasoning originally.

I don't actually want to lynch LaLight anymore, don't see that vote move coming from scum, it's like he's trying to get himself lynched.

I concur that Roadrunner is probably a person, happy to vote there, like so:
Vote: Roadrunner

Is there a reason we prefer RR as a low-information lynch to Dylan?

[Jimmmmm]

I mean I'd lynch Robz, too.

We could go back to lynching Robz Day 1 every game.

[Witherweaver]

I mean I'd lynch Robz, too.

We could go back to lynching Robz Day 1 every game.

Make Mafia Great Again

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Quickly rereading Roadrunner and Dylan, I'd much rather lynch RR.

Can other people who are around please comment on whether they agree with this or not?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Anyway, we need 3 more.

[Witherweaver]

Has RR, like, posted anything this game?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Has RR, like, posted anything this game?

No, 9 posts, 0 substance.

[Robz888]

Has RR, like, posted anything this game?

No, 9 posts, 0 substance.

I haven't checked but this certainly feels correct based on my recollection.

I honestly think RR might be the best bet. We could certainly do worse.

To answer your question, I didn't get anything specifically scummy from Dylan, and he's been a bigger contributor. And also I've previously been impressed with his late game analysis in another game, which makes me want to retain him, given the complete lack of evidence he's scum.

We really should lynch RR you guys. This is actually exactly how scum gets caught Day 1: didn't do enough, lynch devolves on them, they have no way out.

Let's make it happen.

[2.71828.....]

Not happy with a RR lynch. We will basically be back to d1 tomorrow unless we are very lucky.

I saw eevee's posts as hedgy and trying to avoid taking hard stands d1. I think we learn more from an eevee lynch and we are more likely to hit scum

[Calamitas]

I agree with e. The rr lynch is basically the definition of a zero-low information lynch. And the chance of him being scum is still very low.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

The more people react to an RR lynch, the higher information an RR lynch is after the flip.

I already think RR is a more informative lynch than Eevee.  (Although I'm with ~3, I think Eevee's post was crazy hedgy.)

My vote on RR is no longer because of his presumed personhood.  It's not random.

[Robz888]

The more people react to an RR lynch, the higher information an RR lynch is after the flip.

I already think RR is a more informative lynch than Eevee.  (Although I'm with ~3, I think Eevee's post was crazy hedgy.)

My vote on RR is no longer because of his presumed personhood.  It's not random.

This is exactly right. It's not zero/low information anymore. There's even some controversy over it now.

If I thought Eevee was more likely than RR to be scum I would vote for Eevee. But I really don't think that.

[Witherweaver]

I think RR tries to say more stuff as scum.

[Witherweaver]

And I'm generally opposed to early (in the game) last-minute (of the day) default RR lynches.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I think RR tries to say more stuff as scum.

Do you know an RR scumgame off the top of your head?

[Calamitas]

I think RR tries to say more stuff as scum.

Do you know an RR scumgame off the top of your head?

M85 is one

[Witherweaver]

I think RR tries to say more stuff as scum.

Do you know an RR scumgame off the top of your head?

Ash's Kubo game.

[Robz888]

RR was scum with me in the one where Gkrieg went down super fast. That was what, 92? I thought he was under-contributing. Does not seem wholly different from this game.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

If we no-lynch, the Vig definitely needs to shoot someone.  I think it should be from among those not voting or voting for a 1-person wagon at deadline.

[Calamitas]

We should be able to avoid no lynch though I think.

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.7

Calamitas (1): Roadrunner7671
Dylan32 (2): Witherweaver, LaLight
LaLight (1): gkrieg13
Robz888 (1): Dylan32
Eevee (2): 2.71828..., EFHW
Roadrunner7671 (4): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow

Not voting (1): Calamitas

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in 3 hours

[Calamitas]

vote: eevee

[Robz888]

vote: eevee

This is a vote for no lynch.

[Roadrunner7671]

I just have nothing to say. It's D1, I've been sort of VLA, and nothing has really stuck out as towny or scummy to me.

I will, however, Vote: Eevee because that's the biggest viable wagon.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Didn't LaLight move his vote to Dylan in #299?

[schadd]

whaps

[Roadrunner7671]

Didn't LaLight move his vote to Dylan in #299?

That's what the vote count has him as...

Dylan32 (2): Witherweaver, LaLight

yeah unfortunately i can't edit posts

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Didn't LaLight move his vote to Dylan in #299?

That's what the vote count has him as...

Only because schaad is a time lord.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Quoting is hard.

[Dylan32]

I didn't realize deadline was tonight. I'll be around all night.  I'll reread RR to see if I think he really is different than normal, but it seems like he (or Jake) are the default D1 lynches, and I would guess it hits scum no more often than random guessing.

PPE 2

[Dylan32]

And by reread RR, I guess I'll have to read other games, because you guys are right that there just isn't really anything here...

[gkrieg13]

I'm definitely against an RR lynch last-minute. Would hugely prefer Dylan or LaLight

vote: Dylan

[UmbrageOfSnow]

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

[gkrieg13]

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

Neither. I thought Eevee was townie and I don't think those are the only two options at this point.

[Calamitas]

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

Neither. I thought Eevee was townie and I don't think those are the only two options at this point.

They pretty much are

[UmbrageOfSnow]

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

Neither. I thought Eevee was townie and I don't think those are the only two options at this point.

Gun to your head, who would you pick of those two.  Let's say they were both at L-1 and there were 30 seconds left.

[gkrieg13]

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

Neither. I thought Eevee was townie and I don't think those are the only two options at this point.

They pretty much are

What?  Dylan has more votes than Eevee and Eevee only has two votes on him

[gkrieg13]

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

Neither. I thought Eevee was townie and I don't think those are the only two options at this point.

Gun to your head, who would you pick of those two.  Let's say they were both at L-1 and there were 30 seconds left.

Probably RR just because I think Eevee is townie.

[Calamitas]

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

Neither. I thought Eevee was townie and I don't think those are the only two options at this point.

They pretty much are

What?  Dylan has more votes than Eevee and Eevee only has two votes on him

Eevee has 4

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Vote Count 1.UoS

Eevee (4): 2.71828..., EFHW, Calamitas, RR
Roadrunner7671 (4): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow
Dylan32 (2): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg
Robz888 (1): Dylan32

[UmbrageOfSnow]

errrr

Eevee (4): 2.71828..., EFHW, Calamitas, RR
Roadrunner7671 (4): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow
Dylan32 (3): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg
Robz888 (1): Dylan32

[Dylan32]

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

Neither. I thought Eevee was townie and I don't think those are the only two options at this point.

They pretty much are

What?  Dylan has more votes than Eevee and Eevee only has two votes on him

Wrong.

Dylan32 (3) WW, LL, gkrieg
Eevee (4): e, EFHW, Calamitas, RR

[Dylan32]

Sniped

[UmbrageOfSnow]

You should answer my question too, Dylan.

[gkrieg13]

And everyone is asleep?

That is still enough people to move around.

[Robz888]

I'm still around, but I'm voting for the person we actually should lynch. That person is RR.

[Dylan32]

I don't like either an RR or Eevee lynch. I would prefer Robz. But gun to head, probably Eevee.  I don't think either of them are particularly likely to be scum, but of the two RR is probably easier to read later (if it really is down to only the two of them). PPE 3

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I don't like either an RR or Eevee lynch. I would prefer Robz. But gun to head, probably Eevee.  I don't think either of them are particularly likely to be scum, but of the two RR is probably easier to read later (if it really is down to only the two of them). PPE 3

Robz isn't happening.

[2.71828.....]

I am still around, and can move my vote all the way through deadline. I am more open to a RR lynch after some of the stuff Robz has posted, but still like eevee.

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.8

Dylan32 (3): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg
Robz888 (1): Dylan32
Eevee (4): 2.71828..., EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (4): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in under 2 hours

[Calamitas]

RR and I voted eevee

[schadd]

whaps

[Dylan32]

Posts #304-307. Does Robz usually flop around this much looking for something to stick? After his RR vote, Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

[Dylan32]

To be fair, each post was like a minute apart, so there wasn't much time to wait for it to stick I guess. #confbias

[Robz888]

Posts #304-307. Does Robz usually flop around this much looking for something to stick? After his RR vote, Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

It's important to me that we actually lynch someone on Day 1, yes

[Jimmmmm]

Robz... Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

That would be a cool scum team.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I don't like either an RR or Eevee lynch. I would prefer Robz. But gun to head, probably Eevee.  I don't think either of them are particularly likely to be scum, but of the two RR is probably easier to read later (if it really is down to only the two of them). PPE 3

What are you looking for from RR over time?

[Jimmmmm]

It's important to me that we actually lynch someone on Day 1, yes

Yeah. I much prefer RR to Eevee, but I'll help an Eevee lynch go through if I have to.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Okay, I'm out, leaving my vote where it is.

I may check in from my girlfriend's phone in half an hour but no promises.  Definitely won't be able to move the vote after that.

[Robz888]

It's important to me that we actually lynch someone on Day 1, yes

Yeah. I much prefer RR to Eevee, but I'll help an Eevee lynch go through if I have to.

I guess I'll lynch Eevee if we absolutely have to, but I would be shocked if he were scum. I would sooner lynch LL, WW, or Dylan, even tho I wasnt crazy about any of those either. RR is so much better.

[Dylan32]

I don't like either an RR or Eevee lynch. I would prefer Robz. But gun to head, probably Eevee.  I don't think either of them are particularly likely to be scum, but of the two RR is probably easier to read later (if it really is down to only the two of them). PPE 3

What are you looking for from RR over time?

Honestly, I don't know exactly. I just intuitively think RR would be easier to pin down as scum than Eevee later in the game. I think I might just be biased by seeing RR as an early game mislynch so often though. I guess there are definitely worse lynches than RR, so I could go there.

PPE 2

[2.71828.....]

Dylan, at this point I think you need to pick either eevee or RR. Robz isn't happening

[Robz888]

I don't like either an RR or Eevee lynch. I would prefer Robz. But gun to head, probably Eevee.  I don't think either of them are particularly likely to be scum, but of the two RR is probably easier to read later (if it really is down to only the two of them). PPE 3

What are you looking for from RR over time?

Honestly, I don't know exactly. I just intuitively think RR would be easier to pin down as scum than Eevee later in the game. I think I might just be biased by seeing RR as an early game mislynch so often though. I guess there are definitely worse lynches than RR, so I could go there.

PPE 2

I do not think RR is easier to pin down late game than Eevee, personally. No offense to Eevee, but look at his late-game scum play in Mafia 90!

[Dylan32]

Dylan, at this point I think you need to pick either eevee or RR. Robz isn't happening

I know. I'm just trying to decide for sure what I want to do.

[2.71828.....]

Posts #304-307. Does Robz usually flop around this much looking for something to stick? After his RR vote, Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

I didn't get the sense he was flopping around looking for something to stick. I mean, Robz is a very sheepable player, not too surprised people jumped on, especially since RR hasn't done anything

[Dylan32]

And now it's time for "Fun Conspiracy Theories" with your host, D32!

Robz... Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

That would be a cool scum team.

Here we have Jimmmmm telling us that I got the scum team right.

It's important to me that we actually lynch someone on Day 1, yes

Yeah. I much prefer RR to Eevee, but I'll help an Eevee lynch go through if I have to.

Here we have Jimmmmm telling his partner that he would rather not lynch their other partner, but would bus if necessary.

Ok, I know this probably is bogus, but I wanted it in the record just in case.

[Robz888]

And now it's time for "Fun Conspiracy Theories" with your host, D32!

Robz... Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

That would be a cool scum team.

Here we have Jimmmmm telling us that I got the scum team right.

It's important to me that we actually lynch someone on Day 1, yes

Yeah. I much prefer RR to Eevee, but I'll help an Eevee lynch go through if I have to.

Here we have Jimmmmm telling his partner that he would rather not lynch their other partner, but would bus if necessary.

Ok, I know this probably is bogus, but I wanted it in the record just in case.

You will get an award if this comes true.

It won't, though.

[Robz888]

Come on people. RR time.

[Dylan32]

"FCT: Part 2"

And now it's time for "Fun Conspiracy Theories" with your host, D32!

Robz... Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

That would be a cool scum team.

Here we have Jimmmmm telling us that I got the scum team right.

It's important to me that we actually lynch someone on Day 1, yes

Yeah. I much prefer RR to Eevee, but I'll help an Eevee lynch go through if I have to.

Here we have Jimmmmm telling his partner that he would rather not lynch their other partner, but would bus if necessary.

Ok, I know this probably is bogus, but I wanted it in the record just in case.

You will get an award if this comes true.

It won't, though.

Where Robz promises me an award.

[Dylan32]

But in all seriousness, vote: RR

[Robz888]

If E moves, we just need one more for the RR lynch.

[Dylan32]

Posts #304-307. Does Robz usually flop around this much looking for something to stick? After his RR vote, Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

I didn't get the sense he was flopping around looking for something to stick. I mean, Robz is a very sheepable player, not too surprised people jumped on, especially since RR hasn't done anything

Yeah, like I said, I realized there wasn't really enough time for him to actually be waiting to see what other people would do.  My scum read on Robz has actually dropped quite a bit. I think I still lean scum, but would lean town on him if RR flips scum.

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 1.8

Dylan32 (3): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg
Robz888 (1): Dylan32
Eevee (4): 2.71828..., EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (4): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in under 2 hours

Highlighted people who I think could move around based on time zones. If I see efhw or WW switch to RR I will move over for the lynch (with Dylan presumably) but otherwise I don't know if we have numbers.

PPE voting happened

[gkrieg13]

I'm on and off.

I guess I'll move to RR to get a lynch, but I really doubt he is scum, whereas Dylan is actually scum

[Dylan32]

Vote Count 1.8

Dylan32 (3): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg
Robz888 (1): Dylan32
Eevee (4): 2.71828..., EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (4): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in under 2 hours

Highlighted people who I think could move around based on time zones. If I see efhw or WW switch to RR I will move over for the lynch (with Dylan presumably) but otherwise I don't know if we have numbers.

PPE voting happened

UoS might be back shortly to move to eevee if needed. just saying

[Calamitas]

Vote Count 1.8

Dylan32 (3): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg
Robz888 (1): Dylan32
Eevee (4): 2.71828..., EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (4): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in under 2 hours

Highlighted people who I think could move around based on time zones. If I see efhw or WW switch to RR I will move over for the lynch (with Dylan presumably) but otherwise I don't know if we have numbers.

PPE voting happened

I'm awake for a bit still

[Robz888]

Posts #304-307. Does Robz usually flop around this much looking for something to stick? After his RR vote, Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

I didn't get the sense he was flopping around looking for something to stick. I mean, Robz is a very sheepable player, not too surprised people jumped on, especially since RR hasn't done anything

Yeah, like I said, I realized there wasn't really enough time for him to actually be waiting to see what other people would do.  My scum read on Robz has actually dropped quite a bit. I think I still lean scum, but would lean town on him if RR flips scum.

Oh my goodness, if (and hopefully when) RR flips scum you should more than "lean" town on me, I'm all but confirmed then! But that's a discussion for tomorrow.

[Dylan32]

I'm on and off.

I guess I'll move to RR to get a lynch, but I really doubt he is scum, whereas Dylan is actually scum

*Insert Trump "Wrong" meme here*

[Robz888]

I'm on and off.

I guess I'll move to RR to get a lynch, but I really doubt he is scum, whereas Dylan is actually scum

You actually think that? Very confidently? Based on the emotion thing? I don't believe you think that, it's out of character for you. Again, it's too late to try and lynch you but I find you very suspicious this game.

[Dylan32]

Posts #304-307. Does Robz usually flop around this much looking for something to stick? After his RR vote, Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

I didn't get the sense he was flopping around looking for something to stick. I mean, Robz is a very sheepable player, not too surprised people jumped on, especially since RR hasn't done anything

Yeah, like I said, I realized there wasn't really enough time for him to actually be waiting to see what other people would do.  My scum read on Robz has actually dropped quite a bit. I think I still lean scum, but would lean town on him if RR flips scum.

Oh my goodness, if (and hopefully when) RR flips scum you should more than "lean" town on me, I'm all but confirmed then! But that's a discussion for tomorrow.

Meh, I could see vet!scum (you fit that bill) being smart enough to bus a completely inactive partner exactly for this reason.

[Robz888]

Posts #304-307. Does Robz usually flop around this much looking for something to stick? After his RR vote, Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

I didn't get the sense he was flopping around looking for something to stick. I mean, Robz is a very sheepable player, not too surprised people jumped on, especially since RR hasn't done anything

Yeah, like I said, I realized there wasn't really enough time for him to actually be waiting to see what other people would do.  My scum read on Robz has actually dropped quite a bit. I think I still lean scum, but would lean town on him if RR flips scum.

Oh my goodness, if (and hopefully when) RR flips scum you should more than "lean" town on me, I'm all but confirmed then! But that's a discussion for tomorrow.

Meh, I could see vet!scum (you fit that bill) being smart enough to bus a completely inactive partner exactly for this reason.

Okay, well, no, I would never do that, but this isn't a conversation worth having right now.

[2.71828.....]

Posts #304-307. Does Robz usually flop around this much looking for something to stick? After his RR vote, Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

I didn't get the sense he was flopping around looking for something to stick. I mean, Robz is a very sheepable player, not too surprised people jumped on, especially since RR hasn't done anything

Yeah, like I said, I realized there wasn't really enough time for him to actually be waiting to see what other people would do.  My scum read on Robz has actually dropped quite a bit. I think I still lean scum, but would lean town on him if RR flips scum.

Oh my goodness, if (and hopefully when) RR flips scum you should more than "lean" town on me, I'm all but confirmed then! But that's a discussion for tomorrow.

Meh, I could see vet!scum (you fit that bill) being smart enough to bus a completely inactive partner exactly for this reason.

Okay, well, no, I would never do that, but this isn't a conversation worth having right now.

Trust me. Robz wouldn't do that.

I will go ahead and vote: RR

[2.71828.....]

Although I could see newbie!scum thinking that (in the sense that Dylan might be scum)

[gkrieg13]

I'm on and off.

I guess I'll move to RR to get a lynch, but I really doubt he is scum, whereas Dylan is actually scum

You actually think that? Very confidently? Based on the emotion thing? I don't believe you think that, it's out of character for you. Again, it's too late to try and lynch you but I find you very suspicious this game.

Well he is a much better lynch than RR or Eevee.

[Calamitas]

Off to bed now, leaving my vote where it is.

[gkrieg13]

that was the hammer right?

[Dylan32]

Although I could see newbie!scum thinking that (in the sense that Dylan might be scum)

Why would I be more likely to think that as newbie!scum than newbie!town? The number of times I've seen scum!Robz is completely independent of my alignment

[Dylan32]

I'm on and off.

I guess I'll move to RR to get a lynch, but I really doubt he is scum, whereas Dylan is actually scum

You actually think that? Very confidently? Based on the emotion thing? I don't believe you think that, it's out of character for you. Again, it's too late to try and lynch you but I find you very suspicious this game.

Well he is a much better lynch than RR or Eevee.

Nope, because you would be lynching town. Either your read is wrong, or you are scum doing the opposite of what you did in RMM38 when scum!you defended town!me.

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.9

Dylan32 (3): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg
Eevee (3): EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (6): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow, Dylan32, 2.71828...

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in 40 minutes

[Robz888]

that was the hammer right?

I think it's L-1, but I'm bad at math.

[Robz888]

Yes. Okay, so, someone absolutely has to move to RR. Gkrieg?

[Roadrunner7671]

Jailpr

[Roadrunner7671]

Imjsilir

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm Jaior

[Roadrunner7671]

You know

[Dylan32]

So, are we going to follow through and lynch a claimed Jailkeeper, or at least I think that was what he was trying to do?

[Robz888]

Gahhhhhhhh

[Robz888]

Isnt lynching the JK extra bad because the mafia get a JK if we do that, or something?

[Dylan32]

Yeah they would...

[Robz888]

Isnt lynching the JK extra bad because the mafia get a JK if we do that, or something?

Yep, setup says yes. Okay, this is worst case scenario. Unvote

[Robz888]

No Lynch *is* better than lynching the Jailkeeper.

[Robz888]

I mean, he could be lying, the real JK could be someone else but unable to counter... but we'll get him tomorrow if that's the case, so it's wildly unlikely.

[Roadrunner7671]

Thx

[Dylan32]

Part of me agrees. But say we don't lynch. Scum kills someone else for WIFOM and we lynch RR. Then they get another NK. That's 3 town dead before we actually vote for someone who has a chance to be scum... Just saying... unvote

[Roadrunner7671]

Nah scum should probably kill me tonight, but I don't really know. Just analyze my wagon once I die

[Dylan32]

Vote: eevee Not sure it matters, but we might have enough. maybe

[Dylan32]

If gkrieg, Robz, and e all move, we have enough with 10 minutes to go.

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.α

Dylan32 (3): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg13
Eevee (4): EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671, Dylan32
Roadrunner7671 (4): Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow, 2.71828...

Not voting (1): Robz888

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in 12 minutes

[EFHW]

Here

[EFHW]

I'm disappointed so many people left their votes on uncertain wagons and didn't come for deadline. Kind of scummy.

[EFHW]

I guess some have timezone issues.

[Robz888]

vote: eevee

[schadd]

thread locked.

D1 Final Vote Count

Dylan32 (3): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg13
Eevee (5): EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671, Dylan32, Robz888
Roadrunner7671 (4): Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow, 2.71828...

[schadd]

as they say, you can't win em all. the struggle to find answers will necessarily involve a lot of struggling, a lot of arithmetic errors and technological flubs, and plenty loss of motivation. today, we struggled to, uh, do anything at all. i mean, we surely remember declaring at the outset, "we are going to lynch all of the problems that are faced by the study of physics." our understanding of inertia would surely dictate that we would, uh, at least lynch anything at all?

but no.

No lynch has occurred.

Night 1 starts.

Please submit all night actions within 48 hours. Day 2 will start on Friday, February 24th at 10pm forum time.

[schadd]

sexism as well as discrimination against pokemon have been a horribly rampant issue throughout the entirety of the history of physics. not to the extent that we've seen here today, though. ladies and gentlemen, two brutal murders have occurred. this was something that we knew going in, that many of us would probably die and be murdered and die and bleed all of our guts out. but seeing it here, now, made it all real.

everyone, whip out your MATLABs. we have some blood & gore trajectories to compute.

Roadrunner7671 has been killed in the night. he was Marie Curie, the town jailkeeper.
Eevee has been killed in the night. he was a left-leaning quark, a vanilla townie.

Day 2 starts.

Vote Count 2.ε₀

Not voting (10): LaLight, UmbrageOfSnow, 2.71828..., Dylan32, Jimmmmm, Robz888, gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Calamitas, EFHW

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 starts now and ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time. thread unlocked.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Dylan

[gkrieg13]

Also strange scum kill.

[EFHW]

Also strange scum kill.

RR is not unexpected as a scum kill, so I don't know what you are referring to.

[gkrieg13]

Also strange scum kill.

RR is not unexpected as a scum kill, so I don't know what you are referring to.

Why not unexpected?  Did I miss a claim somewhere?

[Dylan32]

Also strange scum kill.

RR is not unexpected as a scum kill, so I don't know what you are referring to.

Why not unexpected?  Did I miss a claim somewhere?

Yes.

[LaLight]

A faketown reaction from gkrieg? Or not faketown? I am going to believe it is townie atually, I don't see gkrieg faking such a stuff as scum.

[LaLight]

though it's levels and levels again.

[LaLight]

Roadrunner7671 (6): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow, Dylan32, 2.71828...

Let's think about the wagon. IMO at least two scum are on it if not all three. vote: Dylan

[Jimmmmm]

Roadrunner7671 (6): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow, Dylan32, 2.71828...

Let's think about the wagon. IMO at least two scum are on it if not all three. vote: Dylan

Why?

[LaLight]

Roadrunner7671 (6): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow, Dylan32, 2.71828...

Let's think about the wagon. IMO at least two scum are on it if not all three. vote: Dylan

Why?

What exactly?

[Jimmmmm]

Why do you believe there are 2-3 scum on the wagon?

[LaLight]

Why do you believe there are 2-3 scum on the wagon?

We know now that RR is town. His wagon grew really quickly and people didn't even try to explain why they are voting for him. Clear scum-driven 10-minutes-to-deadline wagon.

[Jimmmmm]

Why do you believe there are 2-3 scum on the wagon?

We know now that RR is town. His wagon grew really quickly and people didn't even try to explain why they are voting for him. Clear scum-driven 10-minutes-to-deadline wagon.

Why is scum more likely to do that than Town?

[gkrieg13]

Ok I must have skipped that part of the page when I reread before the deadline. I also agree that there is probably scum on that wagon.

[LaLight]

Why do you believe there are 2-3 scum on the wagon?

We know now that RR is town. His wagon grew really quickly and people didn't even try to explain why they are voting for him. Clear scum-driven 10-minutes-to-deadline wagon.

Why is scum more likely to do that than Town?

Because they try to lynch town and do so no more wagons look viable so other town will vite for town too. Town tries to THINK and town is lways trying not only to mess around, but lynch our enemies.

[Robz888]

Roadrunner7671 (6): Robz888, Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow, Dylan32, 2.71828...

Let's think about the wagon. IMO at least two scum are on it if not all three. vote: Dylan

Hard to say how many scum on it. I mean, I drove it the hardest, and I'm town. So was Eevee. I did think RR was a good lynch, sorry to out the JK...

Yeah it is likely there's at least some scum on the wagon. I think LL's "all three" claim is dubious. In fact, that feels like something scum LL would say to divert our attention.

[Robz888]

Also strange scum kill.

So this is a townslip if genuine. And it sure sounds genuine to me.

[2.71828.....]

Also strange scum kill.

So this is a townslip if genuine. And it sure sounds genuine to me.

I generally agree with this.

[2.71828.....]

Why do you believe there are 2-3 scum on the wagon?

We know now that RR is town. His wagon grew really quickly and people didn't even try to explain why they are voting for him. Clear scum-driven 10-minutes-to-deadline wagon.

Why is scum more likely to do that than Town?

Because they try to lynch town and do so no more wagons look viable so other town will vite for town too. Town tries to THINK and town is lways trying not only to mess around, but lynch our enemies.

So this can be true, but not necessarily. I was caught as scum once because I deliberated too much and didn't vote. Or at least, it fed into my being caught

[2.71828.....]

Vote: UoS

[Calamitas]

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.
Either way, I don't like that robz didn't move to eevee right after rr's claim. Why did you do that?

[Calamitas]

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.
Either way, I don't like that robz didn't move to eevee right after rr's claim. Why did you do that?

Rather didn't you do that.

[Dylan32]

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

[2.71828.....]

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

This feels like Dylan looking for excuses to vote for people. Gkrieg had stated he would be on/off towards the deadline, there is nothing strange about his play at the end.

[gkrieg13]

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Ok, I actually thought it was the hammer.  I wasn't excited about the RR lynch anyway.  And I was one of 3 people not on either town wagon.  How is that scummy.

[2.71828.....]

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.
Either way, I don't like that robz didn't move to eevee right after rr's claim. Why did you do that?

I think that this would have been scummy had eevee flipped scum, like "wait until I know the lynch won't quite make it through but bus my partner late"

But eevee flipped town, so Robz is pretty null to me right now. Not null in the sense of no read, but null in that he was pretty quiet, helped push town to action late D1, but then his target flipped town. His activity is towny, end result leaves some suspicion, but not enough to push him into the scummy camp

[Dylan32]

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

This feels like Dylan looking for excuses to vote for people. Gkrieg had stated he would be on/off towards the deadline, there is nothing strange about his play at the end.

If I were looking for excuses to vote for people, I would have, well, you know, voted... I'm just saying the way I see things.

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Ok, I actually thought it was the hammer.  I wasn't excited about the RR lynch anyway.  And I was one of 3 people not on either town wagon.  How is that scummy.

I wasn't excited about either wagon, but was basically told shut up and get on one of these wagons in so many words.

[Robz888]

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.
Either way, I don't like that robz didn't move to eevee right after rr's claim. Why did you do that?

Rather didn't you do that.

I got IRL distracted, is the honest answer. I voted Eevee the second I actually had time to do so, sorry it was too late.

[Calamitas]

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.
Either way, I don't like that robz didn't move to eevee right after rr's claim. Why did you do that?

Rather didn't you do that.

I got IRL distracted, is the honest answer. I voted Eevee the second I actually had time to do so, sorry it was too late.

But you could unvote and I don't buy you didn't know eevee was the other competing wagon 

[EFHW]

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.
Either way, I don't like that robz didn't move to eevee right after rr's claim. Why did you do that?

Rather didn't you do that.

I got IRL distracted, is the honest answer. I voted Eevee the second I actually had time to do so, sorry it was too late.

But you could unvote and I don't buy you didn't know eevee was the other competing wagon

What's the scum narrative for Robz here?

[EFHW]

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.

Same with me.

[EFHW]

Vote: UoS

Why?

[Robz888]

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.
Either way, I don't like that robz didn't move to eevee right after rr's claim. Why did you do that?

Rather didn't you do that.

I got IRL distracted, is the honest answer. I voted Eevee the second I actually had time to do so, sorry it was too late.

But you could unvote and I don't buy you didn't know eevee was the other competing wagon

The second after I unvoted I got stuck in an important conversation and forgot to vote for Eevee. Sorry, that's what happened.

[schadd]

Vote Count 2.1

Dylan32 (2): gkrieg13, LaLight
UmbrageOfSnow (1): 2.71828...

Not voting (7): UmbrageOfSnow, Dylan32, Jimmmmm, Robz888, Witherweaver, Calamitas, EFHW

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time.

[Calamitas]

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.
Either way, I don't like that robz didn't move to eevee right after rr's claim. Why did you do that?

Rather didn't you do that.

I got IRL distracted, is the honest answer. I voted Eevee the second I actually had time to do so, sorry it was too late.

But you could unvote and I don't buy you didn't know eevee was the other competing wagon

What's the scum narrative for Robz here?

Don't have one, just wondering

[LaLight]

Vote Count 2.1

Dylan32 (1): gkrieg13
UmbrageOfSnow (1): 2.71828...

Not voting )8(: LaLight, UmbrageOfSnow, Dylan32, Jimmmmm, Robz888, Witherweaver, Calamitas, EFHW

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time.

I believe i vote for Dylan.

[Jimmmmm]

As noted in the V/LA thread, I'm going away now for the next 3-4 days. I may be able to post a bit, but I'll probably have to catch up when I get back.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I should have more time for this game tomorrow or maybe late tonight, but my first thought is that people who seemed convinced both RR and Eevee were town are where I want to put my vote.

[EFHW]

I'm thinking the people who were on RR's wagon and didn't hang around or come back to hear a claim. That's UoS, Jimmmmm, e. I feel like e has been pretty towny.  UoS I'm completely null on.  I remember having some thoughts about Jimmmmm Day 1 regarding his advice posts that felt like filler. 

I'll vote: Jimmmmm, and look into UoS some more.

[Robz888]

I should have more time for this game tomorrow or maybe late tonight, but my first thought is that people who seemed convinced both RR and Eevee were town are where I want to put my vote.

Interested in hearing more about this when you have time.

[Robz888]

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Thinking I'm scummy, okay fine, everyone always thinks that, not surprising. Really weird for you to say you find gkrieg scummy after his possible townslip.

I'm going to vote LaLight, though, for reasons I previously stated.

Let's not let this game stall, guys.

Vote: LaLight

[gkrieg13]

I also am thinking more about voting EFHW

[Witherweaver]

Why did Dylan not come to fruition yesterday?

[Robz888]

I also am thinking more about voting EFHW

Why? EFHW feels like one of the townier people around, in my opinion.

[Dylan32]

Why did Dylan not come to fruition yesterday?

Because I'm town. Also, because too many people left before the deadline to be able to move to anyone else after RR claimed.

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Thinking I'm scummy, okay fine, everyone always thinks that, not surprising. Really weird for you to say you find gkrieg scummy after his possible townslip.

I'm going to vote LaLight, though, for reasons I previously stated.

Let's not let this game stall, guys.

Vote: LaLight

What possible townslip was there? I don't remember seeing one.

[2.71828.....]

Sorry, today was a busy day. Should have some more time tomorrow

[LaLight]

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Thinking I'm scummy, okay fine, everyone always thinks that, not surprising. Really weird for you to say you find gkrieg scummy after his possible townslip.

I'm going to vote LaLight, though, for reasons I previously stated.

Let's not let this game stall, guys.

Vote: LaLight

What are thise reasons?

[LaLight]

Why did Dylan not come to fruition yesterday?

Because I'm town. Also, because too many people left before the deadline to be able to move to anyone else after RR claimed.

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Thinking I'm scummy, okay fine, everyone always thinks that, not surprising. Really weird for you to say you find gkrieg scummy after his possible townslip.

I'm going to vote LaLight, though, for reasons I previously stated.

Let's not let this game stall, guys.

Vote: LaLight

What possible townslip was there? I don't remember seeing one.

Townslip was that gkrieg haven't seen RR caliming Jailkeeper and was genuinely surprised RR was killed which is impossible if he's scum.

The only question is if it was genuine actually.

[Robz888]

What possible townslip was there? I don't remember seeing one.

It just happened: gkrieg was confused about the kill because he didn't realize RR claimed JK.

[Robz888]

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Thinking I'm scummy, okay fine, everyone always thinks that, not surprising. Really weird for you to say you find gkrieg scummy after his possible townslip.

I'm going to vote LaLight, though, for reasons I previously stated.

Let's not let this game stall, guys.

Vote: LaLight

What are thise reasons?

Yeah it is likely there's at least some scum on the wagon. I think LL's "all three" claim is dubious. In fact, that feels like something scum LL would say to divert our attention.

[LaLight]

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Thinking I'm scummy, okay fine, everyone always thinks that, not surprising. Really weird for you to say you find gkrieg scummy after his possible townslip.

I'm going to vote LaLight, though, for reasons I previously stated.

Let's not let this game stall, guys.

Vote: LaLight

What are thise reasons?

Yeah it is likely there's at least some scum on the wagon. I think LL's "all three" claim is dubious. In fact, that feels like something scum LL would say to divert our attention.

ugh, well, no. It's my opinion that possibly having town wagon there might be all three scums.

[EFHW]

Eevee was a town wagon too.  Looking at the two wagons combined, I don't think we narrow down the odds of someone being scum based on who was on wagon.  We could maybe learn something looking at the people who didn't come back to check on the RR lynch, since maybe the reason they didn't come back was that they were fine with any lynchee that wasn't them.

[EFHW]

Let's not let this game stall, guys.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Sorry, my life is crazy right now.  Just posting to say I'll catch up and post later tonight, and also that tomorrow looks like I'll actually have time for the internet during the day when I usually do.

Sorry for contributing to stall.

[gkrieg13]

I'll put together a formal Dylan case

[Jimmmmm]

Checking in; still away.

[LaLight]

Vote: UoS

Why are you voting for UoS?

[Calamitas]

Going to reread today, this game is really stalling.

[Witherweaver]

I should have time for this now; the other game was a little demanding.

[Witherweaver]

Why did Dylan not come to fruition yesterday?

Because I'm town. Also, because too many people left before the deadline to be able to move to anyone else after RR claimed.

Wouldn't your alleged townhood make the wagon more likely to result in a lynch?

[Witherweaver]

Eevee was a town wagon too.  Looking at the two wagons combined, I don't think we narrow down the odds of someone being scum based on who was on wagon.  We could maybe learn something looking at the people who didn't come back to check on the RR lynch, since maybe the reason they didn't come back was that they were fine with any lynchee that wasn't them.

Well scum would surely have gotten on one of the wagons, right?

[Robz888]

To recap, I am waiting for gkrieg to explain his scum read on EFHW and for E to explain his vote for UoS.

I am voting LaLight for advancing the case that we had all three scum on wagon, which I doubt.

[Robz888]

Oh, we're also waiting on gkrieg's Dylan case.

[Witherweaver]

Well, I suppose RR + Eevee wagon combined is basically everyone:

Dylan32 (3): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg13
Eevee (5): EFHW, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671, Dylan32, Robz888
Roadrunner7671 (4): Eevee, Jimmmmm, UmbrageOfSnow, 2.71828...

I don't believe scum is going to be pressing a PR mislynch more than an alternate mislynch, because they know it looks worse.  The people to back off RR immediately are probably among the most suspicious.

[Witherweaver]

Though I'm not sure LaLight is scummy for going down his line of thought.

[schadd]

Vote Count 2.2

Dylan32 (2): gkrieg13, LaLight
UmbrageOfSnow (1): 2.71828...
Jimmmmm (1): EFHW
LaLight (1): Robz888

Not voting (5): UmbrageOfSnow, Dylan32, Jimmmmm, Witherweaver, Calamitas

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time.

[Witherweaver]

Robz first to unvote:

Isnt lynching the JK extra bad because the mafia get a JK if we do that, or something?

Yep, setup says yes. Okay, this is worst case scenario. Unvote

Dylan next:

Part of me agrees. But say we don't lynch. Scum kills someone else for WIFOM and we lynch RR. Then they get another NK. That's 3 town dead before we actually vote for someone who has a chance to be scum... Just saying... unvote

And that was it, as deadline happened shortly after.  Dylan's immediate response:

So, are we going to follow through and lynch a claimed Jailkeeper, or at least I think that was what he was trying to do?

And there is also some surrounding discussion between Robz and Dylan. 

Given the lack of people on at this time and that this was all ~10 min before deadline, not sure there's a whole lot there.  Dylan still seems scummy to me.  Robz is maybez.

[Robz888]

Why is it scummy to unvote RR after he claims? I absolutely do not follow.

[Witherweaver]

Why is it scummy to unvote RR after he claims? I absolutely do not follow.

Not necessarily scummy, but scum knows he's telling the truth; town has to consider a fake claim.  Reactions can fail to appear genuine; you basically have three choices: believe, fake considering town fake claiming, or the bold strategy of doubling down on the lynch.  Scum's artificial reactions will tend to be exaggerated, because their thought is to take this position (that they think they would take were they town), rather than just react. 

[Dylan32]

Bump. Sorry guys, my last few days have been unexpectedly and incredibly full. I should definitely have time to get back into this game tomorrow, but I have several deadlines that all fell tonight or in the morning...

[Calamitas]

Why is it scummy to unvote RR after he claims? I absolutely do not follow.

Not necessarily scummy, but scum knows he's telling the truth; town has to consider a fake claim.  Reactions can fail to appear genuine; you basically have three choices: believe, fake considering town fake claiming, or the bold strategy of doubling down on the lynch.  Scum's artificial reactions will tend to be exaggerated, because their thought is to take this position (that they think they would take were they town), rather than just react.

Why do you think Dylan's reaction is exaggerated?

[Witherweaver]

Why is it scummy to unvote RR after he claims? I absolutely do not follow.

Not necessarily scummy, but scum knows he's telling the truth; town has to consider a fake claim.  Reactions can fail to appear genuine; you basically have three choices: believe, fake considering town fake claiming, or the bold strategy of doubling down on the lynch.  Scum's artificial reactions will tend to be exaggerated, because their thought is to take this position (that they think they would take were they town), rather than just react.

Why do you think Dylan's reaction is exaggerated?

I didn't say it was.  I was explaining why I'm looking into this in the first place, in general.  In this case the information is limited as reactions post-claim were abbreviated. 

Dylan's reactions here are more hedged and careful.. first sees if lynching RR is still possible, then unvotes after Robz does.  Notably in the post where he unvotes he only considers the case when RR really is the JK:

Part of me agrees. But say we don't lynch. Scum kills someone else for WIFOM and we lynch RR. Then they get another NK. That's 3 town dead before we actually vote for someone who has a chance to be scum... Just saying... unvote

That's not really how it would go down, since scum!RR would necessarily get counterclaimed.   So scum is just going to shoot RR, which indeed they did. 

But what's odd about this wording is it is kind of implying that it's better to lynch RR than no lynch, but under the assumption that RR is town.

Robz' reaction does seem exaggerated, but he also tends to do that as town.

[Robz888]

Dylan's wording was indeed kind of weird there but we were down to the wire and all kind of thinking out loud. I don't see it as scummy.

[gkrieg13]

Also I've been incredibly busy, so someone else can construct a case on Dylan, but I probably won't get to it today or tomorrow.

[2.71828.....]

So, my case on UoS is basically the same thing I voted for him yesterday, plus wagon position on RR.

1) Misreading what I said wasn't scummy, but stretching it out into a case against me then jumping back onto LaLight after rereading it and realizing what I said felt like a reaction that would come from scum

2)

It's not really important at this point Robz, but about the joke thing.  I was just commenting on the "no one had reasons for this" thing you said.

Anyway I mostly wanted to get a comment from the others voting LaLight who I think didn't buy my reasoning originally.

I don't actually want to lynch LaLight anymore, don't see that vote move coming from scum, it's like he's trying to get himself lynched.

I concur that Roadrunner is probably a person, happy to vote there, like so:
Vote: Roadrunner

Is there a reason we prefer RR as a low-information lynch to Dylan?

This post moving over to vote for RR, looking back, feels like scum trying to justify jumping onto the last-second lynch of RR.  I feel like scum wants to over-explain and justify why they are pushing (or at least ok with) quicklynching RR there at the end of the day.

[2.71828.....]

quick reads:

LaLight - I think that LaLight is town.  I get a very townie vibe from his opening post. 
UmbrageOfSnow - See my previous post.  On the scummy side
Dylan32 - Interested to see a consolidated case against Dylan.  He has said a few things that I think could be construed as scummy (I thought they were), but often when I think that the person ends up being town. 
Jimmmmm - I thought Jimmmmmmm had a good D1, fairly active and some good content. 
Robz888 - I briefly mentioned my stance on Robz earlier.  Galvanizing town to action at the end of D1 was townie, but the end result turned out to benefit scum.  Not a fan of lynching Robz today at least
gkrieg13 - I think his townslip to open up D2 was genuine.  I don't think I could be convinced to lynch gkrieg today
Witherweaver - Ended D1 on Dylan, but spent the day jumping between Calamitas (RVS), LaLight, UoS, LaLight, then finally on Dylan.  In all, not a convincing D1.  I can totally see a scum!witherweaver, but probably not on the same scum team with LaLight or Dylan if either of them flip scum.  Rereading his posts actually makes me like a witherweaver lynch.
Calamitas - Avoids posting anything of real content on D1, ends up with a vote on Eevee.  Mild null/scum
EFHW - Hasn't done anything to make me think she is scum.  I will call town on her for now

Summary:

Won't lynch: Robz, gkrieg
Don't want to lynch: EFHW, LaLight, Jimmmmm
Would lynch: Calamitas, Dylan
Would prefer to lynch: UmbrageOfSnow, Witherweaver

[Calamitas]

Just reread LaLight and it feels like he plays this game very different than his usual self.
vote: LaLight

[Robz888]

quick reads:

LaLight - I think that LaLight is town.  I get a very townie vibe from his opening post. 
UmbrageOfSnow - See my previous post.  On the scummy side
Dylan32 - Interested to see a consolidated case against Dylan.  He has said a few things that I think could be construed as scummy (I thought they were), but often when I think that the person ends up being town. 
Jimmmmm - I thought Jimmmmmmm had a good D1, fairly active and some good content. 
Robz888 - I briefly mentioned my stance on Robz earlier.  Galvanizing town to action at the end of D1 was townie, but the end result turned out to benefit scum.  Not a fan of lynching Robz today at least
gkrieg13 - I think his townslip to open up D2 was genuine.  I don't think I could be convinced to lynch gkrieg today
Witherweaver - Ended D1 on Dylan, but spent the day jumping between Calamitas (RVS), LaLight, UoS, LaLight, then finally on Dylan.  In all, not a convincing D1.  I can totally see a scum!witherweaver, but probably not on the same scum team with LaLight or Dylan if either of them flip scum.  Rereading his posts actually makes me like a witherweaver lynch.
Calamitas - Avoids posting anything of real content on D1, ends up with a vote on Eevee.  Mild null/scum
EFHW - Hasn't done anything to make me think she is scum.  I will call town on her for now

Summary:

Won't lynch: Robz, gkrieg
Don't want to lynch: EFHW, LaLight, Jimmmmm
Would lynch: Calamitas, Dylan
Would prefer to lynch: UmbrageOfSnow, Witherweaver

These reads correspond extremely closely with my own. Which of course gives me a bad feeling and makes me worry I'm being buddied by scum.

[LaLight]

Just reread LaLight and it feels like he plays this game very different than his usual self.
vote: LaLight

I'm interested. Why did you choose to reread me?

[EFHW]

quick reads:

LaLight - I think that LaLight is town.  I get a very townie vibe from his opening post. 
UmbrageOfSnow - See my previous post.  On the scummy side
Dylan32 - Interested to see a consolidated case against Dylan.  He has said a few things that I think could be construed as scummy (I thought they were), but often when I think that the person ends up being town. 
Jimmmmm - I thought Jimmmmmmm had a good D1, fairly active and some good content. 
Robz888 - I briefly mentioned my stance on Robz earlier.  Galvanizing town to action at the end of D1 was townie, but the end result turned out to benefit scum.  Not a fan of lynching Robz today at least
gkrieg13 - I think his townslip to open up D2 was genuine.  I don't think I could be convinced to lynch gkrieg today
Witherweaver - Ended D1 on Dylan, but spent the day jumping between Calamitas (RVS), LaLight, UoS, LaLight, then finally on Dylan.  In all, not a convincing D1.  I can totally see a scum!witherweaver, but probably not on the same scum team with LaLight or Dylan if either of them flip scum.  Rereading his posts actually makes me like a witherweaver lynch.
Calamitas - Avoids posting anything of real content on D1, ends up with a vote on Eevee.  Mild null/scum
EFHW - Hasn't done anything to make me think she is scum.  I will call town on her for now

Summary:

Won't lynch: Robz, gkrieg
Don't want to lynch: EFHW, LaLight, Jimmmmm
Would lynch: Calamitas, Dylan
Would prefer to lynch: UmbrageOfSnow, Witherweaver

These reads correspond extremely closely with my own. Which of course gives me a bad feeling and makes me worry I'm being buddied by scum.

Have you stated reads on each player? Which ones correspond with yours?

[EFHW]

I'm waiting for Jimmmmm to get back before pursuing a case on him. Rereading UoS now.

[EFHW]

I could get behind a UoS lynch. Not for the reason I said earlier, though. He really did try to get things resolved before he left. I'm responding to some Day 1 posts that seemed filler-ish and his thinking try-hard scum was about him. I'm on phone now, so I'll put up the posts from Day 1 when I am at a computer.

[Calamitas]

Just reread LaLight and it feels like he plays this game very different than his usual self.
vote: LaLight

I'm interested. Why did you choose to reread me?

I have wondered why e had prefered lynching you over robz and realized I don't recall much about your play.

[2.71828.....]

I could get behind a UoS lynch. Not for the reason I said earlier, though. He really did try to get things resolved before he left. I'm responding to some Day 1 posts that seemed filler-ish and his thinking try-hard scum was about him. I'm on phone now, so I'll put up the posts from Day 1 when I am at a computer.

You should vote UoS then. Wagons. We need wagons

[Witherweaver]

Sounds convincing.

Vote: UoS

[LaLight]

UoS seems VLA from the forums (and Discord FWIW).

[2.71828.....]

UoS seems VLA from the forums (and Discord FWIW).

We should welcome him back with a good wagon.

[LaLight]

welcome vote: UoS

[Calamitas]

Robz, gkrieg? What do you think about LaLight, you two have played with him quite a lot as well.

[schadd]

Vote Count 2.3

Dylan32 (1): gkrieg13
UmbrageOfSnow (3): 2.71828..., Witherweaver, LaLight
Jimmmmm (1): EFHW
LaLight (2): Robz888, Calamitas

Not voting (3): UmbrageOfSnow, Dylan32, Jimmmmm

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time. this is in 3 days and 14 hours

[LaLight]

Robz, gkrieg? What do you think about LaLight, you two have played with him quite a lot as well.

As you can see Robz is voting for me. Reason is that my implication that there were 2 or 3 scums on RR's wagon seemed scummy.

[LaLight]

Robz, gkrieg? What do you think about LaLight, you two have played with him quite a lot as well.

What is different about me in this game?

[Robz888]

Robz, gkrieg? What do you think about LaLight, you two have played with him quite a lot as well.

Hmm, I feel like you're not paying as much attention as usual. Not only am I voting for LaLight, I have twice explained why I do think he's acting scummy.

Outside of the thing I pointed out--the three scum on wagon comment--I'm not sure his behavior has been wholly different than usual.

[2.71828.....]

See, I don't think scum would make that "3 scum on the wagon" comment. I try to be more rational and reasonable as scum in an attempt to get everyone to see me as a reasonable, useful town player. Going out and claiming 3 scum on the wagon just doesn't make as much sense to me. Claiming 2 on, 1 off is fairly standard and safe. I think it is town who will have the gut read that 3 scum were on the wagon.

[Calamitas]

Robz, gkrieg? What do you think about LaLight, you two have played with him quite a lot as well.

Hmm, I feel like you're not paying as much attention as usual. Not only am I voting for LaLight, I have twice explained why I do think he's acting scummy.

Outside of the thing I pointed out--the three scum on wagon comment--I'm not sure his behavior has been wholly different than usual.

Totally oversaw that, thought you townread him because of #509.

[Robz888]

Robz, gkrieg? What do you think about LaLight, you two have played with him quite a lot as well.

Hmm, I feel like you're not paying as much attention as usual. Not only am I voting for LaLight, I have twice explained why I do think he's acting scummy.

Outside of the thing I pointed out--the three scum on wagon comment--I'm not sure his behavior has been wholly different than usual.

Totally oversaw that, thought you townread him because of #509.

Fair, I should have noted the disagreement on LL.

[EFHW]

Here are those posts by UoS I was talking about earlier.  I find I am less impressed by them than I was the first time through.  But I also saw long absences, including joining the game late, and his vote on Calamitas seems like RVS even though we were way past that at that point.  There's nothing to go on from Day 2 at all.  request prod: UoS

Welcome to the game, Harbinger.  I hope you have fun.

If I or someone else gets really aggressive toward you at some point during the game, please don't take it personally or as a sign that you're hated or something.  It's just a game, but a certain level of aggression is part of some of our playstyles.  It is mine at least.

As long as we're making general notes, I think the biggest way for Day 1 to end up being useless is for people to let others get away with "well it's just Day 1, so there isn't anything to talk about" excuses.  Town do this to be lazy, but it's great for scum to be able to get away with.

Anyway, wagons are fun.

Vote: Calamitas

You don't get anywhere on Day 1 without jumping on little scraps of evidence.

vote: UoS

[Jimmmmm]

I'm back; should have some time to catch up tonight.

[Dylan32]

I hate saying this after the discussion surrounding LL's 3 scum on wagon comment, but after reading everything, I think it's pretty likely that exactly one of the 3 scums would have been off both of the main wagons, aka {gkrieg, LL, WW}.  I reluctantly admit that gkrieg's "weird scum kill" comment does actually seem genuine, so he's probably town.  I still don't know what to make of LL this game. The D1 wagon on WW disappeared so fast, I actually think there is a decent chance he is scum.

Other reads:
scummy - UoS, Jimmmmm, Robz
townie - Calamitas, Eevee
null - everyone else

[Witherweaver]

I hate saying this after the discussion surrounding LL's 3 scum on wagon comment, but after reading everything, I think it's pretty likely that exactly one of the 3 scums would have been off both of the main wagons, aka {gkrieg, LL, WW}.  I reluctantly admit that gkrieg's "weird scum kill" comment does actually seem genuine, so he's probably town.  I still don't know what to make of LL this game. The D1 wagon on WW disappeared so fast, I actually think there is a decent chance he is scum.

Other reads:
scummy - UoS, Jimmmmm, Robz
townie - Calamitas, Eevee
null - everyone else

That's funny; when the wagon on you died it it was because you were town...

The top part seems to imply I'm scum and the bottom part implies I'm null.

[Dylan32]

I hate saying this after the discussion surrounding LL's 3 scum on wagon comment, but after reading everything, I think it's pretty likely that exactly one of the 3 scums would have been off both of the main wagons, aka {gkrieg, LL, WW}.  I reluctantly admit that gkrieg's "weird scum kill" comment does actually seem genuine, so he's probably town.  I still don't know what to make of LL this game. The D1 wagon on WW disappeared so fast, I actually think there is a decent chance he is scum.

Other reads:
scummy - UoS, Jimmmmm, Robz
townie - Calamitas, Eevee
null - everyone else

That's funny; when the wagon on you died it it was because you are town...

The top part seems to imply I'm scum and the bottom part implies I'm null.

FTFY, and in case you missed the bolded part, I'm not inconsistent about you at all.

[Witherweaver]

I see.

You are inconsistent about the implications of wagon disintegration, though.

[schadd]

UmbrageOfSnow has been prodded

[gkrieg13]

I'm still reading just not posting

[gkrieg13]

Ok, I'm ready to reread and breathe some life into this game.

I'm going into this knowing that RR is town and so is Eevee.  Not only that, but I want to look at what happened at the end of the day to keep the wagons on only those two.

LaLight has his weird scum trying to keep ash from playing the game thing.

Harbinger really attaches themselves to Calamitas by defending him.

UoS here feels similar to UoS in that RMM we just played.

"I got us out of RVS"

Classic scum ploy

Erm, why? I hate rvs and happy to do anything to get ua out. Actually, after quick reread, vote: Eevee.

LaLight's post here looks scummy.  Trying to brush aside the fact that something he did might have been scummy.

Jimmm is much more active and it looks like he is trying to scumhunt a lot more.

Calamitas seems townie here, fitting his meta of talking about the setup.

I don't want to try to read e right now.  He has always been a difficult one for me.

Dylan is scum. 

Dang it. I just reread everything twice and the only thing I come away with is a slight town read on Eevee. #105 seems like something scum would probably not say since bringing up flavor claiming is clearly not good for town. I think that was more likely confused/careless/distracted!town.  Other than that, I've just seen a whole bunch of null. At one time I had a reason for voting for Jimmmmm, but I've since forgotten what it was and couldn't remember on the reread.  I didn't see anything that made me want to move it now though.

If I had to pick someone to be suspicious of, right now it might be LL for the joke/not joke thing, although for unspeakable reasons I'm not putting much stock in that; and I might be a freckle suspicious of harbinger, purely for openly suggesting ignoring evidence prior to better evidence being available.  Once better evidence is there, yeah, I agree with his logic, but until it shows up, just discarding it because "all the other clues will probably overshadow it" isn't the best idea. This isn't really enough for me to scum!read them yet; it's just enough to read them closely.

This post just doesn't read as genuine emotion to me.

This reminds me how I always try to give reads or protect myself being town and people see my emotions over the top. I'm on Dylan's side here and vote: gkrieg because overemotionness is never from scum in my experience.

Keep this in mind for when Dylan flips scum.

Especially with LaLight trying to cast suspicion on Eevee for lurking.

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

Only scum worry about votes with no case.

Vote: Lalight

Erm, no? I always worry about it.
I don't like how quickly my wagon is growing. I am ready to say there's scum on it. vote: Dylan32

This is both scummy for LaLight and for Dylan.  Looks like a partner interaction.

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

I think his emotion was off on that post I mentioned earlier, and I think this weird sheep vote is also out of character for him.

I was going to vote LL after rereading anyway and voiced agreement for the previous vote. I didn't actually intend to suggest that the prior vote led me to that conclusion, although looking back I definitely see why you see it like that.

Scum likes to do this too.  It is much easier to tell someone that they misunderstood your intentions than actually just tell them they are wrong.  Scum tend to be more polite IMO.

Yes, my wagon is quite weird.

This seems like LaLight is trying to not freak out about how large his wagon is, which is not like him.

Hi and thanks EFHW!

Vote: Robz.

For...?

Because you are hard for me to read. Apparently that is enough...

And this is the way that Dylan gets off of LaLight's wagon...

Hey, looking at my other reread, it looks like I have come to almost the exact same conslusion rereading this part of the game.

Playing more and more i more often ask myself, how would it be if i was in a scum team with guys i played ~10 games with. It's just i try to imagine me and dylan in a team. I think that would be more professional, but I don't know

Just putting this here.

Robz strangely defends LaLight and Dylan.

I don't really agree with gkrieg's reads at all, which is unusual. I think his reasons for suspecting LaLight and Dylan aren't that good, and they're terrible by town!gkrieg standards.

I think it's most likely neither LL nor Dylan are scum, and baffling unlikely they are both scum.

I'm tempted to vote for Gkrieg here!

He even says my reads are so bad that he is tempted to vote for me.

I'm going to get all the Eevee wagon votes and the RR wagon votes and put there here:

Too many people on it. I think he/other scum would me more motivated to do something about that if it was correct.

I would join to avoid no lynch, I really really can't read WW, other than his wagon positions and such. He is a total mystery to me until we get flips (so I agree a great lynch in that regard - i don't think he would be one of the hardest people to develop a strong townread on for me as well later).

Actually kind of talking myself into voting WW now. The perils of being too damn good at being scum.

Vote: eevee

This post and the one before feel scummy to me. I will be around leading up to deadline

I'll sheep e and vote:  Eevee. I wish I more time to come up with my own opinion. Next time.

Man I hate all these options. Random vote RR? Just because I can't recall a single contribution from RR the whole game, and didn't in fact recall RR was even playing?

Vote: RR

Vote: RR

meep meep

Vote: RR appeals to me.

It's not really important at this point Robz, but about the joke thing.  I was just commenting on the "no one had reasons for this" thing you said.

Anyway I mostly wanted to get a comment from the others voting LaLight who I think didn't buy my reasoning originally.

I don't actually want to lynch LaLight anymore, don't see that vote move coming from scum, it's like he's trying to get himself lynched.

I concur that Roadrunner is probably a person, happy to vote there, like so:
Vote: Roadrunner

Is there a reason we prefer RR as a low-information lynch to Dylan?

vote: eevee

I just have nothing to say. It's D1, I've been sort of VLA, and nothing has really stuck out as towny or scummy to me.

I will, however, Vote: Eevee because that's the biggest viable wagon.

But in all seriousness, vote: RR

Posts #304-307. Does Robz usually flop around this much looking for something to stick? After his RR vote, Eevee and Jim immediately jumped on it.

I didn't get the sense he was flopping around looking for something to stick. I mean, Robz is a very sheepable player, not too surprised people jumped on, especially since RR hasn't done anything

Yeah, like I said, I realized there wasn't really enough time for him to actually be waiting to see what other people would do.  My scum read on Robz has actually dropped quite a bit. I think I still lean scum, but would lean town on him if RR flips scum.

Oh my goodness, if (and hopefully when) RR flips scum you should more than "lean" town on me, I'm all but confirmed then! But that's a discussion for tomorrow.

Meh, I could see vet!scum (you fit that bill) being smart enough to bus a completely inactive partner exactly for this reason.

Okay, well, no, I would never do that, but this isn't a conversation worth having right now.

Trust me. Robz wouldn't do that.

I will go ahead and vote: RR

So those are all the votes on the major wagons before RR claimed.

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

This post is pretty scummy from UoS, trying to make the lynch between two townies.

I'm on and off.

I guess I'll move to RR to get a lynch, but I really doubt he is scum, whereas Dylan is actually scum

You actually think that? Very confidently? Based on the emotion thing? I don't believe you think that, it's out of character for you. Again, it's too late to try and lynch you but I find you very suspicious this game.

It should be very obvious to you now that I'm town.


Ok, so I just got through the first day, I'll do the second day later.

At this point, Calamitas, Jimmmmm, are town reads
WW, e, UoS, Robz, and EFHW are null, with WW and EFHW being higher towards town
Dylan, LaLight are lynch lynch lynch.

Wow, talk about wall of text.

[Robz888]

Re: gkrieg

It IS very obvious to me that you are town now, yes. SO I take your reads seriously.

I see what you're saying about LaLight, that's why I'm voting him. I still don't really see it about Dylan, though. The emotion thing... I just, no. I don't see it.

As for the rest of your reads, I agree that Jimm and EFHW feel pretty townie. Less sure about E, Calamitas, and UoS, particularly E, who gives me this almost inexplicable bad feeling.

[EFHW]

I agree that Dylan's post is scummy. I don't know if I'd call it the emotion, but he seems very wishy washy. I would also vote LL. He doesn't seem like himself.

Other thoughts, Robz seems like he might be buddying gkrieg. gkrieg made a good post, but obv!town seems a bit excessive. WW is a complete enigma. I'm null on Calamitas. e seems towny so far. Jimmmmm and UoS have been my early thoughts for scum, but not overwhelming cases. I'll vote: Dylan at this point.

[Witherweaver]

Hoo rah rah

Vote: Dylan

[LaLight]

I am trying not to freak out on wagons because I think this is a better play. Look at Stranger Things, hat was where I freaked out and I was scum. And I actually felt bad because of it, so I try not to.

I am not Dylan's partner, I never saw these interactions with him you are referring to.

I am trying to improve my play over every game.

[Dylan32]

Ok. I'm actually getting tired of trying to defend myself from gkrieg in this and other games as town.  I know it's part of the game, but if you know you just read me completely wrong in another game in which I looked pretty much the same as this one, what makes you so freaking confident that you have it right this time?  If you all actually push through a lynch on me, when I flip town, just kill gkrieg for me... I think some people have this expectation that I look pretty much always look really towny (as evidenced by someone saying I checked all the boxes of being hard to read, usually looking towny, but not here") because I had a couple pretty dang good games early in my time here, but now that I'm more used to how forum mafia works and with you all in general, I'm less guarded with how I post, and because it's "less towny sounding" people keep saying that's enough to believe I'm scum. May I remind you that the game I looked the towniest, I was scum and ended up being given the MVP. Gkrieg is literally basing his entire read on me on "Dang it." Yeah, at the time I posted that, I was pretty disgusted with how D1 of a different game had gone, and I was annoyed that after everything that had been said in this game to that point, I didn't really see anything that I could base a solid read off of. So do whatever you want, but you seriously aren't going to hit scum by lynching me...

[Jimmmmm]

More or less caught up. Only a couple of comments at the moment. I think general wagon analysis ("I think there are x scum on the wagon") is next to useless, and more useful for scum to manipulate people with. In response to EFHW's comments about "day 1 filler posts", well you're probably right but Day 1 is a good time for them I would have thought; certainly beats not posting much which I've done in the past.

I don't have huge objections to any of the wagons at the moment (UoS, LL, Calamatis I think); I'll have a close look at each when I get a chance.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm actually getting tired of trying to defend myself from gkrieg in this and other games as town.

I hope you're not referring to other active games.

This post seems fairly genuine to me.

[Robz888]

I'm actually getting tired of trying to defend myself from gkrieg in this and other games as town.

I hope you're not referring to other active games.

This post seems fairly genuine to me.

Me too, and I think "frustrated town" is a fairly likely explanation for Dylan's behavior.

I'm going to Vote: UoS, mostly just to provide support to an alternative wagon and incentivize him to show up.

[gkrieg13]

Ok. I'm actually getting tired of trying to defend myself from gkrieg in this and other games as town.  I know it's part of the game, but if you know you just read me completely wrong in another game in which I looked pretty much the same as this one, what makes you so freaking confident that you have it right this time?  If you all actually push through a lynch on me, when I flip town, just kill gkrieg for me... I think some people have this expectation that I look pretty much always look really towny (as evidenced by someone saying I checked all the boxes of being hard to read, usually looking towny, but not here") because I had a couple pretty dang good games early in my time here, but now that I'm more used to how forum mafia works and with you all in general, I'm less guarded with how I post, and because it's "less towny sounding" people keep saying that's enough to believe I'm scum. May I remind you that the game I looked the towniest, I was scum and ended up being given the MVP. Gkrieg is literally basing his entire read on me on "Dang it." Yeah, at the time I posted that, I was pretty disgusted with how D1 of a different game had gone, and I was annoyed that after everything that had been said in this game to that point, I didn't really see anything that I could base a solid read off of. So do whatever you want, but you seriously aren't going to hit scum by lynching me...

I'm not basing my entire read off of one post. Did you read that long thing I posted?  There were plenty of other things in there about you and about you being scum.

[LaLight]

Ok. I'm actually getting tired of trying to defend myself from gkrieg in this and other games as town.  I know it's part of the game, but if you know you just read me completely wrong in another game in which I looked pretty much the same as this one, what makes you so freaking confident that you have it right this time?  If you all actually push through a lynch on me, when I flip town, just kill gkrieg for me... I think some people have this expectation that I look pretty much always look really towny (as evidenced by someone saying I checked all the boxes of being hard to read, usually looking towny, but not here") because I had a couple pretty dang good games early in my time here, but now that I'm more used to how forum mafia works and with you all in general, I'm less guarded with how I post, and because it's "less towny sounding" people keep saying that's enough to believe I'm scum. May I remind you that the game I looked the towniest, I was scum and ended up being given the MVP. Gkrieg is literally basing his entire read on me on "Dang it." Yeah, at the time I posted that, I was pretty disgusted with how D1 of a different game had gone, and I was annoyed that after everything that had been said in this game to that point, I didn't really see anything that I could base a solid read off of. So do whatever you want, but you seriously aren't going to hit scum by lynching me...

I'm not basing my entire read off of one post. Did you read that long thing I posted?  There were plenty of other things in there about you and about you being scum.

And also about me. gkrieg, if you have any time, try to analyse my game in Sranger Things. It was different from normal. Now it is okay, I am town again and not in such a stress of being scum.

[Dylan32]

Ok. I'm actually getting tired of trying to defend myself from gkrieg in this and other games as town.  I know it's part of the game, but if you know you just read me completely wrong in another game in which I looked pretty much the same as this one, what makes you so freaking confident that you have it right this time?  If you all actually push through a lynch on me, when I flip town, just kill gkrieg for me... I think some people have this expectation that I look pretty much always look really towny (as evidenced by someone saying I checked all the boxes of being hard to read, usually looking towny, but not here") because I had a couple pretty dang good games early in my time here, but now that I'm more used to how forum mafia works and with you all in general, I'm less guarded with how I post, and because it's "less towny sounding" people keep saying that's enough to believe I'm scum. May I remind you that the game I looked the towniest, I was scum and ended up being given the MVP. Gkrieg is literally basing his entire read on me on "Dang it." Yeah, at the time I posted that, I was pretty disgusted with how D1 of a different game had gone, and I was annoyed that after everything that had been said in this game to that point, I didn't really see anything that I could base a solid read off of. So do whatever you want, but you seriously aren't going to hit scum by lynching me...

I'm not basing my entire read off of one post. Did you read that long thing I posted?  There were plenty of other things in there about you and about you being scum.

Yes I did. And every other thing you said was interpreted through the base assumption that I was scum and that must mean some of LL and my interactions looked partnery. That is the extent of your case, and you only see it that way because of confirmation bias from "dang it." The only reason I did get off of LL's wagon was because I thought Robz reason for his vote was scummier than LL was at the time. Just because you didn't understand the reason through the satire, doesn't mean it wasn't a good reason. I'm 99% sure from his reaction, that Robz knew exactly what I meant when I said that. I completely stand behind moving my vote to Robz when I did.

[EFHW]

...In response to EFHW's comments about "day 1 filler posts", well you're probably right but Day 1 is a good time for them I would have thought; certainly beats not posting much which I've done in the past.

I agree with that.

[gkrieg13]

Ok, I'll finish my reread.

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Oh ya.  Then there is this.  How is this scummy again? 

Not sure whether scum!gkrieg is less likely to make that statement than town!gkrieg.
Either way, I don't like that robz didn't move to eevee right after rr's claim. Why did you do that?

I think that this would have been scummy had eevee flipped scum, like "wait until I know the lynch won't quite make it through but bus my partner late"

But eevee flipped town, so Robz is pretty null to me right now. Not null in the sense of no read, but null in that he was pretty quiet, helped push town to action late D1, but then his target flipped town. His activity is towny, end result leaves some suspicion, but not enough to push him into the scummy camp

This is decent reasoning from e.

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

This feels like Dylan looking for excuses to vote for people. Gkrieg had stated he would be on/off towards the deadline, there is nothing strange about his play at the end.

If I were looking for excuses to vote for people, I would have, well, you know, voted... I'm just saying the way I see things.

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Ok, I actually thought it was the hammer.  I wasn't excited about the RR lynch anyway.  And I was one of 3 people not on either town wagon.  How is that scummy.

I wasn't excited about either wagon, but was basically told shut up and get on one of these wagons in so many words.

Seems like you are trying to get out of the fact that you were voting for town.

I'm thinking the people who were on RR's wagon and didn't hang around or come back to hear a claim. That's UoS, Jimmmmm, e. I feel like e has been pretty towny.  UoS I'm completely null on.  I remember having some thoughts about Jimmmmm Day 1 regarding his advice posts that felt like filler. 

I'll vote: Jimmmmm, and look into UoS some more.

This is also decent reasoning.

Lots of people are stating that they don't want the game to stall, but no one is really putting forth cases or actually doing the rereads that they say they are going to do.

To recap, I am waiting for gkrieg to explain his scum read on EFHW and for E to explain his vote for UoS.

I am voting LaLight for advancing the case that we had all three scum on wagon, which I doubt.

This has dissolved a bit.  I feel like EFHW tries to steer things more when she is scum, and will more outright defend her partners, which I don't see a lot of yet.

I don't get why e thinks that WW is scummy.  Even the reasoning that e had for WW being scum seemed townie to me.

And WW makes a good point that Dylan is painting WW as scum because his wagon D1 died down quickly, which is the exact opposite of what he says for his wagon.

[Robz888]

Well, do we nee a UoS replacement? Or should we just lynch him...

Probably we need a replacement.

[schadd]

Probably we need a replacement.

[2.71828.....]

Or should we just lynch him....

I like this one better

[Calamitas]

I don't understand the uos wagon in the slightest.

[LaLight]

I don't understand the uos wagon in the slightest.

There were some things he has done that were scummy, they are listed mostly in gkrieg's reread.

[Calamitas]

I don't understand the uos wagon in the slightest.

There were some things he has done that were scummy, they are listed mostly in gkrieg's reread.

I don't see them. The "gun to your head" post was absolutely not scummy and there is no more beyond that.

[LaLight]

It's not really important at this point Robz, but about the joke thing.  I was just commenting on the "no one had reasons for this" thing you said.

Anyway I mostly wanted to get a comment from the others voting LaLight who I think didn't buy my reasoning originally.

I don't actually want to lynch LaLight anymore, don't see that vote move coming from scum, it's like he's trying to get himself lynched.

I concur that Roadrunner is probably a person, happy to vote there, like so:
Vote: Roadrunner

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

Those two. Driving mislynches of people who are now town confirmed.

[LaLight]

it's not like UoS has strong scummy things he said, it's more like he overall seems scummy. But it's all bad because he disappeared. He talks much in general and it would be easier to analyze if he was here.

[Calamitas]

@Dylan/WW/gkrieg: If you had to pick right now, who would you lynch, RR or Eevee?

I have to leave soon and I want one or more of you guys to just give me more of an idea where you stand.

Those two. Driving mislynches of people who are now town confirmed.

This one was just sensible at the time. I remember celebrating him for that statement, there was no time to waste and thinking about robz or generally anyone beyond rr/eevee didn't make sense.
I don't think town!uos is any less likely to make that statement than scum!uos.

[Witherweaver]

I didn't really get any scum impression from UoS.

[2.71828.....]

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time. this is in 3 days and 14 hours

Only have like a day left

[2.71828.....]

I didn't really get any scum impression from UoS.

Then why vote for him earlier?

[Witherweaver]

I didn't really get any scum impression from UoS.

Then why vote for him earlier?

I wanted to see what you would do, since you had earlier said me or UoS were top scum.  At least, I think it was you.  Didn't seem to have any effect, though.

[2.71828.....]

I didn't really get any scum impression from UoS.

Then why vote for him earlier?

I wanted to see what you would do, since you had earlier said me or UoS were top scum.  At least, I think it was you.  Didn't seem to have any effect, though.

Valid enough reasoning. I still see you and UoS as top scum reads, your earlier vote notwithstanding.

[2.71828.....]

Not much has happened since I posted my reads. Gkrieg did a really good reread and strengthened my town read on him, I don't get why people think WW is so townie, would love to see UoS or Dylan get up to L-1 creating a legitimate wagon

[schadd]

JaketheBaseballGod22 replaces UoS, effective immediately. everyone say thanks to jake

[Jimmmmm]

Thanks Jake!

[2.71828.....]

Thanks Jake! Also, we should totally lynch Jake.

Vote count please?

[schadd]

Vote Count 2.4

Dylan32 (3): gkrieg13, EFHW, Witherweaver
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): 2.71828..., LaLight, Robz888
LaLight (1): Calamitas

Not voting (3): JaketheBaseballGod22, Dylan32, Jimmmmm

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time. this is in 1 day and 2 and a half hours.

[Witherweaver]

It feels like this day just started.

[Witherweaver]

We should lynch not one of these wagons, but the people making hedged and iffy statements on it.  My gut tells me Robz.  Also someone else that unvoted Dylan because he sounded like "frustrated town".  Whomever that was is scum, mark my words .

[Witherweaver]

Was it e?

[2.71828.....]

Was it e?

No, I have yet to vote for Dylan. I could to get a lynch, but not at that point yet. I might have some difficulty being around at deadline. I am looking fairly busy tomorrow right now, but will keep checking to see if I need to move anywhere, just won't be able to give a lot of input. Or, you know, no lynch again and make this straight up mafia vs vig. Mafia is winning right now

[Witherweaver]

Was it e?

No, I have yet to vote for Dylan. I could to get a lynch, but not at that point yet. I might have some difficulty being around at deadline. I am looking fairly busy tomorrow right now, but will keep checking to see if I need to move anywhere, just won't be able to give a lot of input. Or, you know, no lynch again and make this straight up mafia vs vig. Mafia is winning right now

If only we had Chairs. 

[Witherweaver]

I'm actually getting tired of trying to defend myself from gkrieg in this and other games as town.

I hope you're not referring to other active games.

This post seems fairly genuine to me.

Me too, and I think "frustrated town" is a fairly likely explanation for Dylan's behavior.

I'm going to Vote: UoS, mostly just to provide support to an alternative wagon and incentivize him to show up.

Oh, what do you know.

Will anyone

Vote: Robz ?

[Robz888]

We should lynch not one of these wagons, but the people making hedged and iffy statements on it.  My gut tells me Robz.  Also someone else that unvoted Dylan because he sounded like "frustrated town".  Whomever that was is scum, mark my words .

I think I've got you caught. You say I'm wrong to call Dylan frustrated town, and you follow this assumption by voting for me? If you truly don't think Dylan is frustrated town, you must think he's scum, and should vote for him. But you're voting for me. Looks like textbook scum not thinking through the town implications of their claims.

Vote: Witherweaver

[Witherweaver]

We should lynch not one of these wagons, but the people making hedged and iffy statements on it.  My gut tells me Robz.  Also someone else that unvoted Dylan because he sounded like "frustrated town".  Whomever that was is scum, mark my words .

I think I've got you caught. You say I'm wrong to call Dylan frustrated town, and you follow this assumption by voting for me? If you truly don't think Dylan is frustrated town, you must think he's scum, and should vote for him. But you're voting for me. Looks like textbook scum not thinking through the town implications of their claims.

Vote: Witherweaver

That that reaction happened to him makes him more likely town.  I'm not particularly convinced Dylan is town, though.  But the interactions also work as scum!Dylan and scum!you.

I also don't think that a town!you legitimately thinks that I'm scum.

[Witherweaver]

I'm not like so sure about this.  Input from people more involved in this game would be good.

UmrageOfSub could very well be scum but feels like a default myslynch like RR would have been.

Dylan is not a bad choice but reactions to him seem to be either scum doing some knighting or partner avoiding, and I'm not sure which.

I'm compelled to look away from both.  Of the two I'd do Dylan over UoSub

[Witherweaver]

To be honest, I skimmed through a good deal of Day 1 and some of Day 2

[Dylan32]

Thanks Jake.

WW just got a little bit townier, but not anything more than null. Largely because I agree with him re: Robz.

Can we not default the lynch on to Jake tomorrow at the deadline like always? K thanks.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Thanks Jake.

WW just got a little bit townier, but not anything more than null. Largely because I agree with him re: Robz.

Can we not default the lynch on to Jake tomorrow at the deadline like always? K thanks.

thanks but after my reread i think your scum and would be happy to default the lynch onto you. If he's not scum then one of either griekg or robz is scum.

[Witherweaver]

Thanks Jake.

WW just got a little bit townier, but not anything more than null. Largely because I agree with him re: Robz.

Can we not default the lynch on to Jake tomorrow at the deadline like always? K thanks.

thanks but after my reread i think your scum and would be happy to default the lynch onto you. If he's not scum then one of either griekg or robz is scum.

Why this implication?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Thanks Jake.

WW just got a little bit townier, but not anything more than null. Largely because I agree with him re: Robz.

Can we not default the lynch on to Jake tomorrow at the deadline like always? K thanks.

thanks but after my reread i think your scum and would be happy to default the lynch onto you. If he's not scum then one of either griekg or robz is scum.

Why this implication?

I feel like their leading the town around on the two major wagons and i know I'm town so that means if Dylan is town then we need to take a closer look at those two is all i'm saying.

[Witherweaver]

If Dylan is scum, what would you think about Robz and Gkrieg?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

If Dylan is scum, what would you think about Robz and Gkrieg?

I would think that they deserve a reread and depending on how the deadline goes down maybe others.

[EFHW]

It feels like this day just started.

It also feels like it's still day 1.

[EFHW]

I'll reread Robz later today.

[gkrieg13]

If Dylan is scum, what would you think about Robz and Gkrieg?

I would think that they deserve a reread and depending on how the deadline goes down maybe others.

Reread me again and you'll find nothing to incriminate me.

[EFHW]

If Dylan is scum, what would you think about Robz and Gkrieg?

I would think that they deserve a reread and depending on how the deadline goes down maybe others.

Reread me again and you'll find nothing to incriminate me.

Didn't you lynch/vig me once (correctly) for saying something like this?

[Witherweaver]

I don't think scum!Gkrieg says that, though.  Not really his style.

[EFHW]

I've reread Robz and I don't see anything incriminating.  It seems like WW had a particular gut reaction that I didn't.  The strangest thing I saw was his worrying that agreeing with e meant that he was being buddied by scum!e. And he didn't answer the question I asked him about that.

[Robz888]

We should lynch not one of these wagons, but the people making hedged and iffy statements on it.  My gut tells me Robz.  Also someone else that unvoted Dylan because he sounded like "frustrated town".  Whomever that was is scum, mark my words .

I think I've got you caught. You say I'm wrong to call Dylan frustrated town, and you follow this assumption by voting for me? If you truly don't think Dylan is frustrated town, you must think he's scum, and should vote for him. But you're voting for me. Looks like textbook scum not thinking through the town implications of their claims.

Vote: Witherweaver

That that reaction happened to him makes him more likely town.  I'm not particularly convinced Dylan is town, though.  But the interactions also work as scum!Dylan and scum!you.

I also don't think that a town!you legitimately thinks that I'm scum.

What you said only makes sense from a scum perspective. Or, makes the most sense from a scum perspective.  If you think my read on Dylan is bad because Dylan is scum, you should vote for Dylan.

[Robz888]

I've reread Robz and I don't see anything incriminating.  It seems like WW had a particular gut reaction that I didn't.  The strangest thing I saw was his worrying that agreeing with e meant that he was being buddied by scum!e. And he didn't answer the question I asked him about that.

I missed it when you asked me. But I sort of did answer it--I generally agreed with the reads, except LL. I'm not sure what purpose is served from making me be even more specific, other than "gotcha" when I'm inevitably wrong.

[Robz888]

Yes, I actually do want to lynch WW. He said something that seems much more likely to come from scum.

[Robz888]

Also, do we know who our UoS replacement is, and have they showed up? It doesn't look like it.

[Dylan32]

Also, do we know who our UoS replacement is, and have they showed up? It doesn't look like it.

It's Jake. From State Farm.

[LaLight]

Also, do we know who our UoS replacement is, and have they showed up? It doesn't look like it.

It's Jake and he showed up.

[Witherweaver]

We should lynch not one of these wagons, but the people making hedged and iffy statements on it.  My gut tells me Robz.  Also someone else that unvoted Dylan because he sounded like "frustrated town".  Whomever that was is scum, mark my words .

I think I've got you caught. You say I'm wrong to call Dylan frustrated town, and you follow this assumption by voting for me? If you truly don't think Dylan is frustrated town, you must think he's scum, and should vote for him. But you're voting for me. Looks like textbook scum not thinking through the town implications of their claims.

Vote: Witherweaver

That that reaction happened to him makes him more likely town.  I'm not particularly convinced Dylan is town, though.  But the interactions also work as scum!Dylan and scum!you.

I also don't think that a town!you legitimately thinks that I'm scum.

What you said only makes sense from a scum perspective. Or, makes the most sense from a scum perspective.  If you think my read on Dylan is bad because Dylan is scum, you should vote for Dylan.

Huh?

[Jimmmmm]

Rereading Dylan.

Dang it. I just reread everything twice and the only thing I come away with is a slight town read on Eevee. #105 seems like something scum would probably not say since bringing up flavor claiming is clearly not good for town. I think that was more likely confused/careless/distracted!town.  Other than that, I've just seen a whole bunch of null. At one time I had a reason for voting for Jimmmmm, but I've since forgotten what it was and couldn't remember on the reread.  I didn't see anything that made me want to move it now though.

If I had to pick someone to be suspicious of, right now it might be LL for the joke/not joke thing, although for unspeakable reasons I'm not putting much stock in that; and I might be a freckle suspicious of harbinger, purely for openly suggesting ignoring evidence prior to better evidence being available.  Once better evidence is there, yeah, I agree with his logic, but until it shows up, just discarding it because "all the other clues will probably overshadow it" isn't the best idea. This isn't really enough for me to scum!read them yet; it's just enough to read them closely.

I thought and think this post is quite Towny, particularly "At one time I had a reason for voting for Jimmmmm, but I've since forgotten what it was and couldn't remember on the reread." It strikes me as a Town train of thought that could be difficult to replicate as scum. However Dylan was immediately (well you know, 6 hours later) voted for for this post:

vote: Dylan

Why? For trying?

The emotion in that post doesn't seem genuine.  It seems too over the top.

This seems strange. The extent of the emotion I can find in the post is "Dang it." But then Dylan apologises for it.

Sorry. The disappointment expressed in that post sort of bled through from other events, not this particular game.

Nothing else really stands out except gkrieg's certainty of his scum read on him. Which would lead me to wanting to reread gkrieg, but his Townslip was pretty convincing.

I think Dylan is Town. I'll look elsewhere.

[2.71828.....]

Vote: WW

[schadd]

Vote Count 2.5

Dylan32 (2): gkrieg13, EFHW
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): Calamitas
Robz888 (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (2): Robz888, 2.71828...

Not voting (3): JaketheBaseballGod22, Dylan32, Jimmmmm

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time. this is in 4 and a half hours.

[2.71828.....]

If you aren't voting somewhere you are wrong

[2.71828.....]

Well, I suppose Jake just showed up, but still. Not much time left

[Calamitas]

Sorry, didn't realize it was that close to deadline. I think I prefer vote: Dylan to WW. Will go to bed soon and won't be able to change my vote after that, have probably 20min or so left.

[Calamitas]

We need to make a lynch happen today and the vig should kill. In that case we are again at an odd player count.

[EFHW]

I've reread Robz and I don't see anything incriminating.  It seems like WW had a particular gut reaction that I didn't.  The strangest thing I saw was his worrying that agreeing with e meant that he was being buddied by scum!e. And he didn't answer the question I asked him about that.

I missed it when you asked me. But I sort of did answer it--I generally agreed with the reads, except LL. I'm not sure what purpose is served from making me be even more specific, other than "gotcha" when I'm inevitably wrong.

It's true. The point of my question was to challenge you.

[EFHW]

I'll be here for deadline.

[Witherweaver]

I guess no one is going to go Robz.

I'll go back to

Vote: Dylan

[Witherweaver]

Willing to consider other wagons though.  I should be off an on before the deadline.

[Robz888]

Oh wow. Deadline.

[Robz888]

Well, my vote is probably in an unhelpful place. But I really don't want to lynch Dylan, he's probably my strongest town read. Hm.

[Robz888]

Looking again WW, has 2 on him, and Dylan has 3. Neither of those are very close to lynch. I'll probably be around the rest of the night... what are we doing here, people? We do need Jimm, Jake, and Dylan to indicate one thing or another.

[Calamitas]

Looking again WW, has 2 on him, and Dylan has 3. Neither of those are very close to lynch. I'll probably be around the rest of the night... what are we doing here, people? We do need Jimm, Jake, and Dylan to indicate one thing or another.

Dylan is at 4

[Jimmmmm]

Still re-reading WW, at this stage I prefer him to Dylan, so Vote: WW

[Witherweaver]

e is town I think.

As such, he should not vote for me.

[gkrieg13]

I still think Dylan is the way to go

[Witherweaver]

I think Gkrieg is town as well.

Jimmmm is uknownnnnnnn as usual.  I'm not sure I've ever once played a game where I had a read on him.

EFHW seems fairly standard, and I think her town and scum play are pretty similar, so no info there.

Dylan and Robz are both good choices.

Who else is there?  Calamitas and JakeOfSnow, I think.  I'm mildly averse to lynching Jake.. Calamitas I have no feeling about.

[Witherweaver]

Hm, LaLight is in this game.  I don't remember much there.  He talked about flavor vote claiming Day 1, I guess.  He's a null "would lynch" for me.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I would prefer to Vote: Dylan I would still change it if needed to avoid another No lynch.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I would prefer to Vote: Dylan I would still change it if needed to avoid another No lynch.

This is L-1 btw

[schadd]

Vote Count 2.6

Dylan32 (5): gkrieg13, EFHW, Calamitas, Witherweaver, JaketheBaseballGod22
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): LaLight
Witherweaver (3): Robz888, 2.71828..., Jimmmmm

Not voting (1): Dylan32

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time. this is in a bit over 2 hours.

[gkrieg13]

Hm, LaLight is in this game.  I don't remember much there.  He talked about flavor vote claiming Day 1, I guess.  He's a null "would lynch" for me.

I would also definitely lynch LaLight

[Robz888]

I can hammer Dylan if it's between that and No Lynch. I'd rather you Dylan people came over to WW though.

[gkrieg13]

I town read more people on the Dylan wagon

[Jimmmmm]

I can hammer Dylan if it's between that and No Lynch. I'd rather you Dylan people came over to WW though.

[EFHW]

Dylan should claim, if he's here.

[Jimmmmm]

Dylan should claim, if he's here.

If he does, he should claim PR/non-PR.

[Robz888]

Guys I'm gonna have to go, Jimm I leave it to you then...

[gkrieg13]

Why not just hammer on your way out?  Very scummy IMO

[Dylan32]

You really don't want to lynch me guys. PR here...

[EFHW]

I knew this was going to happen. Do we believe him? Do we have an alternative?

[Dylan32]

I knew this was going to happen. Do we believe him? Do we have an alternative?

How did you know, exactly?

[EFHW]

Are enough of us here to lynch WW?

[Dylan32]

Vote: WW

[Dylan32]

L-2 on WW

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'm here and i'll go with almost anyone.

[EFHW]

I knew this was going to happen. Do we believe him? Do we have an alternative?

How did you know, exactly?

I didn't literally know, of course. But after I asked you to claim I was worried we'd have a repeat of Day 1.

[EFHW]

vote: WW.

[Dylan32]

Ok. EFHW + Jake = lynch on WW. I would still rather go for Robz, but since that seems pretty impossible....

[Dylan32]

Btw, EFHW just became my strongest town read.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Intent to hammer at 10:45 pm forum time so if anyone has any objections please post them in the next 15 minutes.

[Dylan32]

I'm so sorry, Jimmmmm did, forgot who said exactly what.

[Witherweaver]

Robz would be better. 

[EFHW]

Btw, EFHW just became my strongest town read.

For almost a whole minute!

[Dylan32]

Robz would be better. 

Are there enough people?

Btw, EFHW just became my strongest town read.

For almost a whole minute!

More like 10 seconds until I realized you didn't say what I thought you did.

[Witherweaver]

Let's find out I guess.

Vote: Robz

[schadd]

Vote Count 2.7

Dylan32 (3): gkrieg13, Calamitas, JaketheBaseballGod22
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): LaLight
Witherweaver (5): Robz888, 2.71828..., Jimmmmm, Dylan32, EFHW
Robz888 (1): Witherweaver

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Sunday, March 5th at 11pm forum time. this is in a half hour.


note: i mistakenly had ww voting robz (in addition to d32) in the last count

[EFHW]

I think we're one short. Are we all going to get back on WW if this doesn't work? 23 minutes left.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

We don't have enough for robz.

[Witherweaver]

I think we're one short. Are we all going to get back on WW if this doesn't work? 23 minutes left.

No

[Dylan32]

Regretfully, nope. I don't think there's any chance of being able to move over to Robz. If enough people came online and said they would in the next few minutes, I'd do it, but knowing that most of Europe is probably asleep makes that pretty unlikely.  And WW is L-1

[Witherweaver]

If Jimm will vote Robz we have enough:

Me, Gkrieg, Dylan, Jake, EFHW, Jimmmm

[2.71828.....]

Will not switch to Robz.

Let's lynch WW

[Dylan32]

gkrieg isn't online

[2.71828.....]

Would go to Dylan for a lynch if necessary. But much prefer WW

[Witherweaver]

Will not switch to Robz.

Let's lynch WW

Do you like to lose at Mafia?

[Dylan32]

Would go to Dylan for a lynch if necessary. But much prefer WW

Did you read my first post back tonight?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Hammering in 1 minute

[2.71828.....]

Would go to Dylan for a lynch if necessary. But much prefer WW

Did you read my first post back tonight?

No. Just read the votecount

[Witherweaver]

It's a sad day for physics.

[EFHW]

Would go to Dylan for a lynch if necessary. But much prefer WW

Did you miss the part about Dylan claiming a PR? Or maybe you don't believe him?

[2.71828.....]

Now that I read it I would totally switch to Dylan for a lynch

[Witherweaver]

Now that I read it I would totally switch to Dylan for a lynch

I kind of thought scum might full claim in hopes of sounding more believable.  He would have already had it prepared.

[2.71828.....]

But, meh. I don't know how much I believe him. Wasn't a very convincing claim.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Am I hammering or are we lynching Dylan?

[Witherweaver]

Well Dylan is better than me.

[Witherweaver]

Jake is coming off mildly scummier.

[EFHW]

Am I hammering or are we lynching Dylan?

You have to decide for yourself.

[Dylan32]

Well, considering 2 town PRs are alive and 1 of them is clearly better than the other, leaving the WIFOM up on me for the NK rather than making it the decision more certain is probably the best move.

PPE 2

[2.71828.....]

Jake is coming off mildly scummier.

I have been telling people UoS was scum.....

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote: WW

[Witherweaver]

Jake is coming off mildly scummier.

I have been telling people UoS was scum.....

Well I'll certainly go there over me.

[Dylan32]

too late. Yeah Jake ended up looking really bad through this.

[schadd]

thredd lokked

[schadd]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

Dylan32 (2): gkrieg13, Calamitas
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): LaLight
Witherweaver (6): Robz888, 2.71828..., Jimmmmm, Dylan32, EFHW, JaketheBaseballGod22
Robz888 (1): Witherweaver

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

[schadd]

generally, particles will travel along the path of least resistance. the path we observed our particles travelling was, like, kinda resistant, in that it said it was town a couple times and was doing stuff and everything, but, like, all of the other ones had something going on. anyway, we are introducing it to the atomic strong force, if you catch my drift. and hopefully we won't atomic strongly regret this decision.

Witherweaver has been lynched! he was a left-leaning quark, a vanilla townie.


Night 2 starts.

Please submit all night actions within 48 hours. Day 3 will start on Tuesday, March 7th at 11pm forum time.

[schadd]

  isaac newton was, in a lot of cases, way ahead of his time, and he blew away many of his peers in the field.

"okay, so, mr. newton. this grav-
"call me isaac."
"ity th- oh. okay, uh isaac, this grav-
"oh, we're on a first name basis now? please, i understand there isn't much need for formality but let's at least be professional."
"er. mr. newton..."
  he was silent, looking at newton's mouth for a moment.
"er, this gravity thing makes sense and all that but it looks really hard to calculate on a large scale with interacting conic orbits. uhhh... we were kind of hoping... that you could do that part... because, you know, you're good at-"
"okay sure. i can get it to you... in NEGATIVE 630,700,000 SECONDS!"
  newton chuckled to himself and returned to his desk. the man talking to him stood there, confused, but afraid to ask whether newton was going to give him anything.
  newton had, for better or for worse, a bit of an ill reputation. probably for worse, actually.


Dylan32 has been killed in the night! he was isaac newton, the town backup rolecop.

Day 3 Starts.

[schadd]

Vote Count 3.k_B

Not voting (eight): LaLight, JaketheBaseballGod22, 2.71828..., Jimmmmm, Robz888, gkrieg13, Calamitas, EFHW


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 starts now and ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time. thread unlocked.

[gkrieg13]

Ok. Sorry I was wrong about Dylan.

[gkrieg13]

I'll do a reread shortly.

[LaLight]

we're at MyLo and vig decided not to shoot which is a pretty good decision I think.

[LaLight]

Sorry I wasn't there at the deadline, the time was too late for me. i guess at this point I would vote for WW too. Now I have scumreads on Robz and Calamitas. They both remind me of M88.

[Jimmmmm]

we're at MyLo and vig decided not to shoot which is a pretty good decision I think.

Not quite MyLo... the Vig can still save us if we mislynch.

[LaLight]

we're at MyLo and vig decided not to shoot which is a pretty good decision I think.

Not quite MyLo... the Vig can still save us if we mislynch.

I wouldn't risk it knwing we have scum Jailkeeper and vig may be wrong

[Calamitas]

If the vig shot and their target didn't die they should definitely claim here.

[LaLight]

If the vig shot and their target didn't die they should definitely claim here.

I don't think so. why?

[EFHW]

This is silly. We know scum got the jk when RR died. Most likely scenario is the vig got jailed.

[Calamitas]

This is silly. We know scum got the jk when RR died. Most likely scenario is the vig got jailed.

Or the vig targeted the goon who was jailed.

[gkrieg13]

This is silly. We know scum got the jk when RR died. Most likely scenario is the vig got jailed.

Or the vig targeted the goon who was jailed.

Or the vig targeted town who the mafia thought was vig and was jailed.

[gkrieg13]

we're at MyLo and vig decided not to shoot which is a pretty good decision I think.

I hope they shot. They definitely should have

[Calamitas]

This is silly. We know scum got the jk when RR died. Most likely scenario is the vig got jailed.

Or the vig targeted the goon who was jailed.

Or the vig targeted town who the mafia thought was vig and was jailed.

This potential scenario is the reason why I think scum has jailed their own goon.

[EFHW]

This is silly. We know scum got the jk when RR died. Most likely scenario is the vig got jailed.

Or the vig targeted the goon who was jailed.

Ok, good point. Is that why you want to know who the vig targeted? But if that happened, the vig should definitely keep quiet so they can have another shot tonight.

[Calamitas]

This is silly. We know scum got the jk when RR died. Most likely scenario is the vig got jailed.

Or the vig targeted the goon who was jailed.

Ok, good point. Is that why you want to know who the vig targeted? But if that happened, the vig should definitely keep quiet so they can have another shot tonight.

Yep, that's the reason. The problem with keeping quite is the risk of not hitting scum today. Since we are at MyLo we cannot allow that to happen.

[EFHW]

This is silly. We know scum got the jk when RR died. Most likely scenario is the vig got jailed.

Or the vig targeted the goon who was jailed.

Ok, good point. Is that why you want to know who the vig targeted? But if that happened, the vig should definitely keep quiet so they can have another shot tonight.

Yep, that's the reason. The problem with keeping quite is the risk of not hitting scum today. Since we are at MyLo we cannot allow that to happen.

But if that's not what happened, then we'll draw the wrong conclusions.

[Robz888]

I'm pretty on the fence about whether the Vig should claim. If we're going to lynch today, we might need the Vig to save us if we get it wrong, yes?

[Calamitas]

This is silly. We know scum got the jk when RR died. Most likely scenario is the vig got jailed.

Or the vig targeted the goon who was jailed.

Ok, good point. Is that why you want to know who the vig targeted? But if that happened, the vig should definitely keep quiet so they can have another shot tonight.

Yep, that's the reason. The problem with keeping quite is the risk of not hitting scum today. Since we are at MyLo we cannot allow that to happen.

But if that's not what happened, then we'll draw the wrong conclusions.

Sure, but it is still objective evidence. No proof but decent evidence and therefore the likelihood of us lynching the right person rises.
(It is evidence because it is more likely that a kill does not go through if we assume the target is scum than if we assume the target is town)

[Calamitas]

I'm pretty on the fence about whether the Vig should claim. If we're going to lynch today, we might need the Vig to save us if we get it wrong, yes?

If the vig has targeted tonight and the target wasn't scum it is incredibly likely that scum is aware of their identity already. If the vig did not target anyone they should obviously not claim except when under pressure.

[Robz888]

I'm pretty on the fence about whether the Vig should claim. If we're going to lynch today, we might need the Vig to save us if we get it wrong, yes?

If the vig has targeted tonight and the target wasn't scum it is incredibly likely that scum is aware of their identity already. If the vig did not target anyone they should obviously not claim except when under pressure.

Sure. The vig doesn't know if they're target was scum, though.

[Robz888]

their*

[Calamitas]

I'm pretty on the fence about whether the Vig should claim. If we're going to lynch today, we might need the Vig to save us if we get it wrong, yes?

If the vig has targeted tonight and the target wasn't scum it is incredibly likely that scum is aware of their identity already. If the vig did not target anyone they should obviously not claim except when under pressure.

Sure. The vig doesn't know if they're target was scum, though.

But if we would follow through on lynching the target if no counterclaim occurs we would only fail in the case of the target being innocent.

[EFHW]

I'm pretty on the fence about whether the Vig should claim. If we're going to lynch today, we might need the Vig to save us if we get it wrong, yes?

If the vig has targeted tonight and the target wasn't scum it is incredibly likely that scum is aware of their identity already. If the vig did not target anyone they should obviously not claim except when under pressure.

Sure. The vig doesn't know if they're target was scum, though.

But if we would follow through on lynching the target if no counterclaim occurs we would only fail in the case of the target being innocent.

It's risky, but maybe no more risky than choosing someone the usual way.

[EFHW]

I'm pretty on the fence about whether the Vig should claim. If we're going to lynch today, we might need the Vig to save us if we get it wrong, yes?

If the vig has targeted tonight and the target wasn't scum it is incredibly likely that scum is aware of their identity already. If the vig did not target anyone they should obviously not claim except when under pressure.

Sure. The vig doesn't know if they're target was scum, though.

But if we would follow through on lynching the target if no counterclaim occurs we would only fail in the case of the target being innocent.

It's risky, but maybe no more risky than choosing someone the usual way.

It does put all our eggs in one basket, though.  It is still possible that the target was town AND scum don't know who the vig is. We give up that possibility by outing the vig.

[gkrieg13]

I'm thinking about it and I think I would JK a town instead of a goon. They have a rolecop so they presumably know pretty well who is a PR and who isn't. I think they JK the vig ( or who they have POEd as vig than hope that they shoot the goon.

[Calamitas]

I'm thinking about it and I think I would JK a town instead of a goon. They have a rolecop so they presumably know pretty well who is a PR and who isn't. I think they JK the vig ( or who they have POEd as vig than hope that they shoot the goon.

I'm pretty sure it is more likely that scum targeted their goon (at least it would probably be right play, not sure what scum did though).

Firstly, I think it is very likely that they don't know the vig's identity (at least at the JK time). At the time of the jailkeep, they had just one rolecop result. That makes 1 out of 9 remaining players.
Also, they decided to kill Dylan which they arguably wouldn't have done if they would have known the actual vig who is arguably more powerful.

Jailkeeping the goon reduces the chance (on average) of a scum death by a third while not affecting the chance of a pro-scum town death in the slightest.
That is far better for scum than just jailing out in the wild.

[gkrieg13]

I'm thinking about it and I think I would JK a town instead of a goon. They have a rolecop so they presumably know pretty well who is a PR and who isn't. I think they JK the vig ( or who they have POEd as vig than hope that they shoot the goon.

I'm pretty sure it is more likely that scum targeted their goon (at least it would probably be right play, not sure what scum did though).

Firstly, I think it is very likely that they don't know the vig's identity (at least at the JK time). At the time of the jailkeep, they had just one rolecop result. That makes 1 out of 9 remaining players.
Also, they decided to kill Dylan which they arguably wouldn't have done if they would have known the actual vig who is arguably more powerful.

Jailkeeping the goon reduces the chance (on average) of a scum death by a third while not affecting the chance of a pro-scum town death in the slightest.
That is far better for scum than just jailing out in the wild.

Except the goon has to perform the kill if both the RC and the JK do their thing.

[Calamitas]

I'm thinking about it and I think I would JK a town instead of a goon. They have a rolecop so they presumably know pretty well who is a PR and who isn't. I think they JK the vig ( or who they have POEd as vig than hope that they shoot the goon.

I'm pretty sure it is more likely that scum targeted their goon (at least it would probably be right play, not sure what scum did though).

Firstly, I think it is very likely that they don't know the vig's identity (at least at the JK time). At the time of the jailkeep, they had just one rolecop result. That makes 1 out of 9 remaining players.
Also, they decided to kill Dylan which they arguably wouldn't have done if they would have known the actual vig who is arguably more powerful.

Jailkeeping the goon reduces the chance (on average) of a scum death by a third while not affecting the chance of a pro-scum town death in the slightest.
That is far better for scum than just jailing out in the wild.

Except the goon has to perform the kill if both the RC and the JK do their thing.

Somehow thought multi-targeting was possible.

But yeah, in that case it is definitely less likely that the goon was jailed. The vig should not claim here then.

[Robz888]

I'm thinking about it and I think I would JK a town instead of a goon. They have a rolecop so they presumably know pretty well who is a PR and who isn't. I think they JK the vig ( or who they have POEd as vig than hope that they shoot the goon.

I'm pretty sure it is more likely that scum targeted their goon (at least it would probably be right play, not sure what scum did though).

Firstly, I think it is very likely that they don't know the vig's identity (at least at the JK time). At the time of the jailkeep, they had just one rolecop result. That makes 1 out of 9 remaining players.
Also, they decided to kill Dylan which they arguably wouldn't have done if they would have known the actual vig who is arguably more powerful.

Jailkeeping the goon reduces the chance (on average) of a scum death by a third while not affecting the chance of a pro-scum town death in the slightest.
That is far better for scum than just jailing out in the wild.

Except the goon has to perform the kill if both the RC and the JK do their thing.

Somehow thought multi-targeting was possible.

But yeah, in that case it is definitely less likely that the goon was jailed. The vig should not claim here then.

Okay, but then, the scum probably do know who the Vig is, and nothing is really lost by having the Vig claim. Maybe nothing is gained either, though.

[Calamitas]

I'm thinking about it and I think I would JK a town instead of a goon. They have a rolecop so they presumably know pretty well who is a PR and who isn't. I think they JK the vig ( or who they have POEd as vig than hope that they shoot the goon.

I'm pretty sure it is more likely that scum targeted their goon (at least it would probably be right play, not sure what scum did though).

Firstly, I think it is very likely that they don't know the vig's identity (at least at the JK time). At the time of the jailkeep, they had just one rolecop result. That makes 1 out of 9 remaining players.
Also, they decided to kill Dylan which they arguably wouldn't have done if they would have known the actual vig who is arguably more powerful.

Jailkeeping the goon reduces the chance (on average) of a scum death by a third while not affecting the chance of a pro-scum town death in the slightest.
That is far better for scum than just jailing out in the wild.

Except the goon has to perform the kill if both the RC and the JK do their thing.

Somehow thought multi-targeting was possible.

But yeah, in that case it is definitely less likely that the goon was jailed. The vig should not claim here then.

Okay, but then, the scum probably do know who the Vig is, and nothing is really lost by having the Vig claim. Maybe nothing is gained either, though.

It is still possible that they jailkept the target of the vig.

[LaLight]

I rhink the best is vig claiming when they is under much pressure.

[Calamitas]

I rhink the best is vig claiming when they is under much pressure.

I agree, we should change the topic though now; sorry for driving us here.

[Jimmmmm]

I find gkrieg generally scummy. What does everyone think about his "Townslip"?

[LaLight]

I find gkrieg generally scummy. What does everyone think about his "Townslip"?

Looked genuine for me. also I don't really think gkrieg would do something like this as scum.

[gkrieg13]

Also my D1 is incredibly townie.  My D2 I was just wrong about Dylan.

[LaLight]

Also my D1 is incredibly townie.  My D2 I was just wrong about Dylan.

You can't objectively evaluate your own play

[LaLight]

I also wanted to say that finally i am playing in one game and i am town. That was too hard being scum in two games simultaneously...

[gkrieg13]

Also my D1 is incredibly townie.  My D2 I was just wrong about Dylan.

You can't objectively evaluate your own play

Yes, but stating it will get someone else to evaluate it and we can get over the gkrieg is possibly scum faster.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I feel confident in Vote: Robz Lots of confirmed town has called him out for being scum and I can't find many reasons for him to be towny. Also he is in my lynch pool based on POE.

[gkrieg13]

I feel confident in Vote: Robz Lots of confirmed town has called him out for being scum and I can't find many reasons for him to be towny. Also he is in my lynch pool based on POE.

What POE are you doing?

[schadd]

Vote Count 3.1

Robz888 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22

Not voting (7): LaLight, 2.71828..., Jimmmmm, Robz888, gkrieg13, Calamitas, EFHW


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time.

[Jimmmmm]

Lots of confirmed town has called him out for being scum and I can't find many reasons for him to be towny. Also he is in my lynch pool based on POE.

This is not compelling evidence for a confident vote at potential mylo. What's the case on Robz?

[Jimmmmm]

I also wanted to say that finally i am playing in one game and i am town. That was too hard being scum in two games simultaneously...

Vote: LaLight

This is such a scummy thing to say.

[gkrieg13]

I also wanted to say that finally i am playing in one game and i am town. That was too hard being scum in two games simultaneously...

Vote: LaLight

This is such a scummy thing to say.

I agree with you there.

[Robz888]

Also my D1 is incredibly townie.  My D2 I was just wrong about Dylan.

This counts for pretty much zero at this point. No one's Day 1 was townie enough to really matter here.

But, with respect to this...

I find gkrieg generally scummy. What does everyone think about his "Townslip"?

I still don't see any way to read the slip as anything other than meaning gkrieg is town. Really sucks if he's somehow scum, but yeah, I'm not seriously considering his lynch at this point.

[Robz888]

I also wanted to say that finally i am playing in one game and i am town. That was too hard being scum in two games simultaneously...

Vote: LaLight

This is such a scummy thing to say.

I don't think it's a scummy think to say, I've (legitimately) had that sentiment before. But! LaLight feels pretty similar to the LaLight from M-94, who we now know is scum. He's definitely up there for me right now.

[Robz888]

Have to be careful about early voting, though. Scum can quickhammer, possibly.

[Robz888]

I feel confident in Vote: Robz Lots of confirmed town has called him out for being scum and I can't find many reasons for him to be towny. Also he is in my lynch pool based on POE.

Who called me out for being scum?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I feel confident in Vote: Robz Lots of confirmed town has called him out for being scum and I can't find many reasons for him to be towny. Also he is in my lynch pool based on POE.

Who called me out for being scum?

At the deadline on D-2 lots of people said this. LL also looks scummy to me espically after playing as scum with him in M-94.

I feel confident in Vote: Robz Lots of confirmed town has called him out for being scum and I can't find many reasons for him to be towny. Also he is in my lynch pool based on POE.

What POE are you doing?

From my own town reads theirs about 5 players left. Two of which are LL and Robz.

[gkrieg13]

I feel confident in Vote: Robz Lots of confirmed town has called him out for being scum and I can't find many reasons for him to be towny. Also he is in my lynch pool based on POE.

Who called me out for being scum?

At the deadline on D-2 lots of people said this. LL also looks scummy to me espically after playing as scum with him in M-94.

I feel confident in Vote: Robz Lots of confirmed town has called him out for being scum and I can't find many reasons for him to be towny. Also he is in my lynch pool based on POE.

What POE are you doing?

From my own town reads theirs about 5 players left. Two of which are LL and Robz.

As in can you please elaborate on those reads?

[2.71828.....]

Hm. This is no good. I like jimmmmm and gkrieg as town, super scared about Calamitas because I don't have a read on him at all, Robz is in the "would lynch" category, but I think I still like a Jake best of all.

[2.71828.....]

Have to be careful about early voting, though. Scum can quickhammer, possibly.

Yes, definitely.

Vote: jake

[2.71828.....]

LaLight - still fairly well convinced LL is town. Although, please go back and read my town games - I have terrible reads usually
JaketheBaseballGod22 - scum. Let's lynch him please
2.71828... - IC
Jimmmmm - I still like my initial gut town read on jimmmmm
Robz888 - some classic "now why is Robz still alive? He must be scum" coming into play here. I could see myself voting for Robz down the road, still not sure if that is today or a later day.
gkrieg13 - has played a townie game. Going to take a pretty good case to convince me he is scum

Don't really know what to think
Calamitas
EFHW

Both have been fairly under the radar for at least. Would possibly lynch, just need someone to come up with a case on them.

[LaLight]

Ugh, I don't really like that now some votes are thrown around.

Robz and gkrieg are both playing "too townie to be town" game.

[LaLight]

I really want to find a relevant quote from me, that I should never ever post things when it's 3 am cause then they always look scummy no. Me is not the droids you are looking for.

And please, be careful about voting, scum has a Rolecop who may know who's vig. Then we're at MyLo.

[EFHW]

I really want to find a relevant quote from me, that I should never ever post things when it's 3 am cause then they always look scummy no. Me is not the droids you are looking for.

And please, be careful about voting, scum has a Rolecop who may know who's vig. Then we're at MyLo.

This is a really scummy post.

[EFHW]

I feel confident in Vote: Robz Lots of confirmed town has called him out for being scum and I can't find many reasons for him to be towny. Also he is in my lynch pool based on POE.

This is typical Jake and one of my main objections to how he plays.  He makes an accusation and says others have made it too, even when that's completely false. Then people without realizing it start to get a feeling of "oh, lots of people suspect X, I'll join that wagon."

@Jake - back up your assertion with specific quotes from multiple people suspecting Robz, or work harder to make your own case, or admit you exaggerated.

[EFHW]

Also my D1 is incredibly townie.  My D2 I was just wrong about Dylan.

You can't objectively evaluate your own play

Yes, but stating it will get someone else to evaluate it and we can get over the gkrieg is possibly scum faster.

So you don't think you were actually incredibly towny.  Instead you're trying to get people to reread you to see you are at least averagely towny?

[EFHW]

/not intended to sound sarcastic

[gkrieg13]

Also my D1 is incredibly townie.  My D2 I was just wrong about Dylan.

You can't objectively evaluate your own play

Yes, but stating it will get someone else to evaluate it and we can get over the gkrieg is possibly scum faster.

So you don't think you were actually incredibly towny.  Instead you're trying to get people to reread you to see you are at least averagely towny?

I do think I'm very townie. My D1 was super townie and I had the townslipped D2. But really I was to look closer at LaLight today. I also think Jake might be scum though because he is slipping under the radar a lot, and UoS wasn't the towniest person.

[Robz888]

Yeah I agree with everybody pointing out LaLight. But the interesting thing is, pretty much everyone has LL as a sucmread, except 2.7. Which means if LL is scum, he's getting bussed. Which seems decently likely.

[LaLight]

Or all the scum tries to lynch me

[LaLight]

If I were you I wouldn't lynch me. Let's better lynch gkrieg who emphasizes his townieness and townslip in a quite scummy way. vote: gkrieg13

[LaLight]

In the first place I wouldn't lynch me because i believe we're at mylo with a huge probability.

[EFHW]

Or all the scum tries to lynch me

Scum take advantage of town!you being scummy.  Town think they are seeing scum!you.  Robz was saying, and I haven't verified this, that everyone except e thinks you are scummy, so just by numbers alone there have to be some bussers in there.

PPE

[EFHW]

In the first place I wouldn't lynch me because i believe we're at mylo with a huge probability.

That's true no matter who we lynch.  We could no lynch, but otherwise you are as good a guess as any.

[LaLight]

Fair enough.

I make scummy posts, who doesn't? I just tend to make them as either alignment.
By the way, wouldn't No Lynch help us?

[gkrieg13]

If I were you I wouldn't lynch me. Let's better lynch gkrieg who emphasizes his townieness and townslip in a quite scummy way. vote: gkrieg13

How was that scummy?  I really want to see what you are looking at here. 

In the first place I wouldn't lynch me because i believe we're at mylo with a huge probability.

That's true no matter who we lynch.  We could no lynch, but otherwise you are as good a guess as any.

I think no lynch is probably best here. 

[gkrieg13]

Fair enough.

I make scummy posts, who doesn't? I just tend to make them as either alignment.
By the way, wouldn't No Lynch help us?

Well town doesn't make nearly as many of them.

[EFHW]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

[EFHW]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

This was in response to LL's question about no lynch.

[gkrieg13]

I find gkrieg generally scummy. What does everyone think about his "Townslip"?

Looked genuine for me. also I don't really think gkrieg would do something like this as scum.

So what changed in the 15 hours since this post? 

[gkrieg13]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

The only difference is if scum doesn't know who the vig is, they don't have a last-chance effort to save us if we lynch wrong today.

[LaLight]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

Why? Wouldn't we know that someone else was town so narrowing lynchpool? And vig may do something by then.

Ppe: i'll answer now, phoneposting

[LaLight]

Also my D1 is incredibly townie.  My D2 I was just wrong about Dylan.

You can't objectively evaluate your own play

Yes, but stating it will get someone else to evaluate it and we can get over the gkrieg is possibly scum faster.

So you don't think you were actually incredibly towny.  Instead you're trying to get people to reread you to see you are at least averagely towny?

I do think I'm very townie. My D1 was super townie and I had the townslipped D2. But really I was to look closer at LaLight today. I also think Jake might be scum though because he is slipping under the radar a lot, and UoS wasn't the towniest person.

This and couple of similar posts highlighting your towniness and made by yourself. You seem putting thoughts in our heads.

[LaLight]

We all remember your townslip i guess.

[LaLight]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

The only difference is if scum doesn't know who the vig is, they don't have a last-chance effort to save us if we lynch wrong today.

She's talking about no lynch, you are talking about wrong lynch.

[gkrieg13]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

The only difference is if scum doesn't know who the vig is, they don't have a last-chance effort to save us if we lynch wrong today.

She's talking about no lynch, you are talking about wrong lynch.

I was talking about no lynch too.

[gkrieg13]

I can do a reread and put together a case, but this just looks like LaLight from his last two scum games.

[LaLight]

I can do a reread and put together a case, but this just looks like LaLight from his last two scum games.

I guess it's just i got used to this style (which is a bas thing to say, but true nevertheless).

[EFHW]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

Why? Wouldn't we know that someone else was town so narrowing lynchpool? And vig may do something by then.

Ppe: i'll answer now, phoneposting

The lynchpool gets narrowed if they nk. I think today's situation is as good as it is going to get for scum. The vig gets their shot either way. That could narrow POE if they are successful, even if they hit town. Now that I think about it, if scum doesn't nk then the vig will get two shots (assuming we no lynch again). And if they do nk, the POE is that much easier for town.

[LaLight]

Gkrieg, do you remember town!me? I don't see what changed actually. I was glad to draw town.

[LaLight]

The only thing i am afraid of now is not lynch but lynch with a quickhammer with scums knowing who vig is. I want town to win, I don't even remember when was that the last time.

[gkrieg13]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

Why? Wouldn't we know that someone else was town so narrowing lynchpool? And vig may do something by then.

Ppe: i'll answer now, phoneposting

The lynchpool gets narrowed if they nk. I think today's situation is as good as it is going to get for scum. The vig gets their shot either way. That could narrow POE if they are successful, even if they hit town. Now that I think about it, if scum doesn't nk then the vig will get two shots (assuming we no lynch again). And if they do nk, the POE is that much easier for town.

I think you are forgetting the JK that scum now have.

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg, do you remember town!me? I don't see what changed actually. I was glad to draw town.

Yes I remember town!LaLight.  Trust me, it is different from how you are acting right now.

[LaLight]

That's strange, because i know i am town and I don't know the difference.
Also idk if it is omgus in me but you look scummy more and more

[EFHW]

Ok, thinking through this some more, it could be worth no lynching to give the vig their chance to be hero. It comes down to how do the chances of lynching correctly compare to the chances of the vig being able to shoot successfully.

PPE: response to gkrieg in next post

[LaLight]

Gkrieg, do you remember town!me? I don't see what changed actually. I was glad to draw town.

Yes I remember town!LaLight.  Trust me, it is different from how you are acting right now.

The only answer i can come up with is that my style changed. When you'll se i am town in this game, after lynch or when we will catch bad guys, consider that for future

[gkrieg13]

That's strange, because i know i am town and I don't know the difference.
Also idk if it is omgus in me but you look scummy more and more

Isn't that bad?  If you don't know the difference between your scum and your town play?  Like how can that possibly be townie?

[gkrieg13]

Ok, thinking through this some more, it could be worth no lynching to give the vig their chance to be hero. It comes down to how do the chances of lynching correctly compare to the chances of the vig being able to shoot successfully.

PPE: response to gkrieg in next post

Wait, you want to let the vig (who was wrong about Eevee) decide the game instead of having us lynch?  That sounds crazy to me.  Having the entire town find scum instead of having a vig do it for us must be better.

[LaLight]

That's strange, because i know i am town and I don't know the difference.
Also idk if it is omgus in me but you look scummy more and more

Isn't that bad?  If you don't know the difference between your scum and your town play?  Like how can that possibly be townie?

No. I meant this game and other town games.

[gkrieg13]

That's strange, because i know i am town and I don't know the difference.
Also idk if it is omgus in me but you look scummy more and more

Isn't that bad?  If you don't know the difference between your scum and your town play?  Like how can that possibly be townie?

No. I meant this game and other town games.

Oh that is different.

[EFHW]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

Why? Wouldn't we know that someone else was town so narrowing lynchpool? And vig may do something by then.

Ppe: i'll answer now, phoneposting

The lynchpool gets narrowed if they nk. I think today's situation is as good as it is going to get for scum. The vig gets their shot either way. That could narrow POE if they are successful, even if they hit town. Now that I think about it, if scum doesn't nk then the vig will get two shots (assuming we no lynch again). And if they do nk, the POE is that much easier for town.

I think you are forgetting the JK that scum now have.

I'm not forgetting it.  Hoping the vig will save us means hoping that scum 1. don't know who the vig is and 2. don't guess correctly overnight and 3. no other odd permutation of jk and vig shots.  This is why I was thinking no lynch wasn't worth it and that's what I meant about comparing chances in making the decision.  I actually don't want to let the vig decide, but we should at least consider it because it is less risky than losing the game today with a mislynch.

[EFHW]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

The only difference is if scum doesn't know who the vig is, they don't have a last-chance effort to save us if we lynch wrong today.

From this post, I gathered that you wanted to give the vig the last chance effort.

[EFHW]

Ok, thinking through this some more, it could be worth no lynching to give the vig their chance to be hero. It comes down to how do the chances of lynching correctly compare to the chances of the vig being able to shoot successfully.

PPE: response to gkrieg in next post

Wait, you want to let the vig (who was wrong about Eevee) decide the game instead of having us lynch?  That sounds crazy to me.  Having the entire town find scum instead of having a vig do it for us must be better.

One more thing - Eevee wasn't actually a terrible choice to vig, imo.  A substantial wagon had built on him and vigging him kind of "undid" the effects of the no lynch, giving us the information we would have gotten if we had managed to actually lynch Day 1.

[gkrieg13]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

The only difference is if scum doesn't know who the vig is, they don't have a last-chance effort to save us if we lynch wrong today.

From this post, I gathered that you wanted to give the vig the last chance effort.

Yes, and they get that chance if we lynch instead of no-lynch today.

[EFHW]

I'm wondering about that, too. It's an option for sure, but probably just lands us in the same situation tomorrow.

The only difference is if scum doesn't know who the vig is, they don't have a last-chance effort to save us if we lynch wrong today.

From this post, I gathered that you wanted to give the vig the last chance effort.

Yes, and they get that chance if we lynch instead of no-lynch today.

Now I'm confused.  Don't they get the chance either way? 

[Robz888]

The more I think about it, the more I think No Lynch is bad. What do we possibly have to gain from it?

[EFHW]

The more I think about it, the more I think No Lynch is bad. What do we possibly have to gain from it?

It's basically just doing things in a different order, and maybe getting the chance at a second vig shot and better POE.  Instead of "lynch-vig-nk" it's "vig-nk?-lynch?" possibly followed by another round of "vig-nk?-lynch?". The drawback is what gkrieg said, that we put the game in the hands of the vig rather than benefiting from town consensus.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I think I would prefer lynching today one person where we all can come to a decision on who we think is scummy whereas leaving it up to one person to decide the fate of the town. Also LL looks exactly like the scum LL I played with from M94 and would most likely want to lynch him. Also Unvote as to prevent any hammers by scum. Curently I believe that 3 of LL, Cal, Robz, 2.71828 ( Haven't played with before but looks like possible LL partner) and Jimmmmm ( Haven't played with before so no clue how to read him as town or scum. Favoring Town just off this game though. I think the MOst likely scum team right now is LL/Cal/2.71828.

[Calamitas]

Firstly we need to evaluate how likely it is that scum is aware of the identity of the vig.

If we assume that they didn't jk the goon, they have a chance of at least 50% of knowing the identity (they would have blocked either target or vig).
Additionally, they have 2 rolecop results and reads. For example, it is pretty clear that I'm not the vig after my screwup. Other PoE might be possible.
So it is pretty likely that they know the identity and they will know it for certain after tomorrow, whether we lynch or don't.

No-lynching doesn't help us though.

1. It would be inconsequent to no-lynch+vig-shot, lynch+no-vig-shot is strictly better (same number of town controlled kills, sure to go through, more informative for later)
2. In case of no-lynch+no-vig-shot scum doesn't kill until they know for certain who the vig is and then kill them.
--> We gain no lynchpool reduction since our ICable roll is taken out.

Therefore, it is better to lynch.

If the vig comes under pressure they should claim. If scum counterclaims we should give no preference dependent on order of claim and just decide between the two with a 50% chance of hitting scum.
If the vig isn't lynched today they should shoot (someone besides from their previous target) regardless of the alignment of the death player.

[schadd]

Vote Count 3.2

LaLight (1): Jimmmmm
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): LaLight

Not voting (5): Robz888, gkrieg13, Calamitas, EFHW, JaketheBaseballGod22


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote Count 3.2

LaLight (1): Jimmmmm
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): LaLight

Not voting (5): Robz888, gkrieg13, Calamitas, EFHW, JaketheBaseballGod22


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time.

I'm confused i never voted for 2.71828 and i just unvoted anyway.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 3.2

LaLight (1): Jimmmmm
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): LaLight

Not voting (5): Robz888, gkrieg13, Calamitas, EFHW, JaketheBaseballGod22


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time.

I'm confused i never voted for 2.71828 and i just unvoted anyway.

It's the other way around.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote Count 3.2

LaLight (1): Jimmmmm
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): LaLight

Not voting (5): Robz888, gkrieg13, Calamitas, EFHW, JaketheBaseballGod22


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time.

I'm confused i never voted for 2.71828 and i just unvoted anyway.

It's the other way around.

Whoops

[2.71828.....]

Regarding lynch/no lynch/scum knows vig/scum doesn't know vig: vigs shooting usually hurts town more than it helps. It can come through and save town every now and then, but I just don't want to trust that. I much prefer letting us, as town, figure out who is scum, lynch them, do it again, and win this game.

[2.71828.....]

You know why UoS never got any traction? Because it has been a slow game and he was scum.

[2.71828.....]

On my phone, tried to post a vote review post going back to D1, too difficult. But look at UoS then at Jake. Look at the voting history. Look at the wagons that developed those days.

Scum drove the story. Which is where I think Robz is really dangerous here, because he helped write that story. But I think towns story starts with lynching Jake. We can't let scum control the game here

[gkrieg13]

The fact that Jake isn't really giving any reasoning for his reads makes me want to lynch him.

[LaLight]

Jake is definitely an option.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

The fact that Jake isn't really giving any reasoning for his reads makes me want to lynch him.

I will say them again the.

LL- Looks exactly like the scum LL i played with in M94.

Robz- As I've reread this game I've seen like before mentioned leading town. I think that town finding not one but two Pr's in the first two days is very concerning and I feel like robz is most likely the scum rolecop and is leading town towards town Pr's and pushing them until they claim (RR D-1) as to out them making the scum kills harder too analyze because they are obvious.

Cal- Cal can be such a good scum player that it is always concerning to me. On that note though I have the final scum team spot as etheir Cal-Jimmmmmm or 2.71828. These are the 5 I have in my scum pool based off of who I find as town. Jimmmmm and 2.71828 I have never played with before so I don't know how they play as town or scum which is why their here. Cal is very hard to read so which is why he along with the other two are null to scum for me right now.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

On my phone, tried to post a vote review post going back to D1, too difficult. But look at UoS then at Jake. Look at the voting history. Look at the wagons that developed those days.

Scum drove the story. Which is where I think Robz is really dangerous here, because he helped write that story. But I think towns story starts with lynching Jake. We can't let scum control the game here

How in any way am I controlling the game?

[LaLight]

So, basically it's me and prople who are hard to read?

Ppe: 1

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

So, basically it's me and prople who are hard to read?

Ppe: 1

It's LL/Robz/Jimmmmm or Cal or 2.71828

The order I put them in is my confidence in that read with LL's being extremely high.

[LaLight]

We may try a fake vote: playername to see where it gets us.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Can someone please explain the case for voting me?

[LaLight]

Can someone please explain the case for voting me?

For me personally it looks like you are looking for a mislynch. So you chose me because of me and gkrieg talking about previpus game and you may thought that you were my partner so people will believe. But you can't take only me, so you picked couple of guys whom you can't read. Also i am pretty sure there's a bus.

[LaLight]

Jake/gkrieg/Robz?

[Robz888]

Robz- As I've reread this game I've seen like before mentioned leading town. I think that town finding not one but two Pr's in the first two days is very concerning and I feel like robz is most likely the scum rolecop and is leading town towards town Pr's and pushing them until they claim (RR D-1) as to out them making the scum kills harder too analyze because they are obvious.

That theory is obviously false. Even if I were the scum rolecop, I wouldn't have had any way to know RR was the JK on Day 1. The rolecop's first chance to investigate didn't come until after that.

[Calamitas]

Robz- As I've reread this game I've seen like before mentioned leading town. I think that town finding not one but two Pr's in the first two days is very concerning and I feel like robz is most likely the scum rolecop and is leading town towards town Pr's and pushing them until they claim (RR D-1) as to out them making the scum kills harder too analyze because they are obvious.

That theory is obviously false. Even if I were the scum rolecop, I wouldn't have had any way to know RR was the JK on Day 1. The rolecop's first chance to investigate didn't come until after that.

Townslip?

[gkrieg13]

Jake/gkrieg/Robz?

OMGUS much?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Can someone please explain the case for voting me?

For me personally it looks like you are looking for a mislynch. So you chose me because of me and gkrieg talking about previpus game and you may thought that you were my partner so people will believe. But you can't take only me, so you picked couple of guys whom you can't read. Also i am pretty sure there's a bus.

Why do you keep changing what I'm saying?

[Robz888]

Robz- As I've reread this game I've seen like before mentioned leading town. I think that town finding not one but two Pr's in the first two days is very concerning and I feel like robz is most likely the scum rolecop and is leading town towards town Pr's and pushing them until they claim (RR D-1) as to out them making the scum kills harder too analyze because they are obvious.

That theory is obviously false. Even if I were the scum rolecop, I wouldn't have had any way to know RR was the JK on Day 1. The rolecop's first chance to investigate didn't come until after that.

Townslip?

What was my townslip?

[Calamitas]

Robz- As I've reread this game I've seen like before mentioned leading town. I think that town finding not one but two Pr's in the first two days is very concerning and I feel like robz is most likely the scum rolecop and is leading town towards town Pr's and pushing them until they claim (RR D-1) as to out them making the scum kills harder too analyze because they are obvious.

That theory is obviously false. Even if I were the scum rolecop, I wouldn't have had any way to know RR was the JK on Day 1. The rolecop's first chance to investigate didn't come until after that.

Townslip?

What was my townslip?

I referred to Jake. Do you think that was townslip?

[LaLight]

Jake/gkrieg/Robz?

OMGUS much?

No, I explained all of them.

[LaLight]

Can someone please explain the case for voting me?

For me personally it looks like you are looking for a mislynch. So you chose me because of me and gkrieg talking about previpus game and you may thought that you were my partner so people will believe. But you can't take only me, so you picked couple of guys whom you can't read. Also i am pretty sure there's a bus.

Why do you keep changing what I'm saying?

What do you mean? What changed? I am sorry, I might have misunderstood!

[gkrieg13]

Jake/gkrieg/Robz?

OMGUS much?

No, I explained all of them.

Doesn't mean it isn't OMGUS. You are saying the scum team are people who suspect you.

[LaLight]

Jake/gkrieg/Robz?

OMGUS much?

No, I explained all of them.

Doesn't mean it isn't OMGUS. You are saying the scum team are people who suspect you.

Yeah, but actually we're both right. It's OMGUS but i also have reasons.

[Robz888]

Robz- As I've reread this game I've seen like before mentioned leading town. I think that town finding not one but two Pr's in the first two days is very concerning and I feel like robz is most likely the scum rolecop and is leading town towards town Pr's and pushing them until they claim (RR D-1) as to out them making the scum kills harder too analyze because they are obvious.

That theory is obviously false. Even if I were the scum rolecop, I wouldn't have had any way to know RR was the JK on Day 1. The rolecop's first chance to investigate didn't come until after that.

Townslip?

What was my townslip?

I referred to Jake. Do you think that was townslip?

Not really, no. The fact that it's Jake sort of matters here.

[EFHW]

Robz- As I've reread this game I've seen like before mentioned leading town. I think that town finding not one but two Pr's in the first two days is very concerning and I feel like robz is most likely the scum rolecop and is leading town towards town Pr's and pushing them until they claim (RR D-1) as to out them making the scum kills harder too analyze because they are obvious.

That theory is obviously false. Even if I were the scum rolecop, I wouldn't have had any way to know RR was the JK on Day 1. The rolecop's first chance to investigate didn't come until after that.

Townslip?

What was my townslip?

I referred to Jake. Do you think that was townslip?

Not really, no. The fact that it's Jake sort of matters here.

What is the possible slip you are discussing?

[Calamitas]

Robz- As I've reread this game I've seen like before mentioned leading town. I think that town finding not one but two Pr's in the first two days is very concerning and I feel like robz is most likely the scum rolecop and is leading town towards town Pr's and pushing them until they claim (RR D-1) as to out them making the scum kills harder too analyze because they are obvious.

That theory is obviously false. Even if I were the scum rolecop, I wouldn't have had any way to know RR was the JK on Day 1. The rolecop's first chance to investigate didn't come until after that.

Townslip?

What was my townslip?

I referred to Jake. Do you think that was townslip?

Not really, no. The fact that it's Jake sort of matters here.

What is the possible slip you are discussing?

Jake thinking that scum!robz might have had a rolecop result on D1.

[EFHW]

I agree with Robz on this one. Scum!Jake could make that mistake while manufacturing a case against someone.

[2.71828.....]

In no way is that a townslip. That is more of a sub-slip (if there is such a thing) than anything.

But I can totally see it coming from scum.

I highly doubt I will vote anyone but Jake today

[LaLight]

Let's not let this game stall, guys.

[LaLight]

Why does anyone not looking at gkrieg or telling any opinion on him? Especially after his megahighlighting of how townie he is? Is this because his partners do not want to bus?

[LaLight]

@Robz, @Jake, what do you guys think about gkrieg?

[EFHW]

If I were you I wouldn't lynch me. Let's better lynch gkrieg who emphasizes his townieness and townslip in a quite scummy way. vote: gkrieg13

Is this your whole case on gkrieg? Why are you only interested in Robz's and Jake's opinions? After this post I see a lot of OMGUS and pushing gkrieg with no mentions of why he is scummy.

[EFHW]

Why does anyone not looking at gkrieg or telling any opinion on him? Especially after his megahighlighting of how townie he is? Is this because his partners do not want to bus?

Scum!gkrieg would have 2 partners, but 6 people are not joining this wagon.

[LaLight]

If I were you I wouldn't lynch me. Let's better lynch gkrieg who emphasizes his townieness and townslip in a quite scummy way. vote: gkrieg13

Is this your whole case on gkrieg? Why are you only interested in Robz's and Jake's opinions? After this post I see a lot of OMGUS and pushing gkrieg with no mentions of why he is scummy.

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game. And yes, he is scummy for not only this, but also for trying to seed this thought in everyone's minds: "My game is very townie". Yeah, my reads are mostly crap, but I feel really strong scum vibes from gkrieg actually.

Robz and Jake do not interact with gkried meaningfully, that's why i am asking. To use this after gkrieg's flip if it will occur

Ppe

[LaLight]

Why does anyone not looking at gkrieg or telling any opinion on him? Especially after his megahighlighting of how townie he is? Is this because his partners do not want to bus?

Scum!gkrieg would have 2 partners, but 6 people are not joining this wagon.

6 people do not say their opinion on him. I may see why prople are not voting: carefulness.

[EFHW]

I just don't see how you can lynch someone for having a perfect town game, and besides that you are arguing that his posts have been scummy. I'm wondering if you are voting him for a past game where he won as scum by being towny.

[Calamitas]

I just don't see how you can lynch someone for having a perfect town game, and besides that you are arguing that his posts have been scummy. I'm wondering if you are voting him for a past game where he won as scum by being towny.

This, scumreading someone for not being scummy is lunatic. Be aware that it implies townreading someone for being scummy.

[LaLight]

I just don't see how you can lynch someone for having a perfect town game, and besides that you are arguing that his posts have been scummy. I'm wondering if you are voting him for a past game where he won as scum by being towny.

This, scumreading someone for not being scummy is lunatic. Be aware that it implies townreading someone for being scummy.

yes, the latter is a general case for, say, Robz. also i am voting not only for this but for his highlighting of his towngame which is scummy.

[Robz888]

@Robz, @Jake, what do you guys think about gkrieg?

How many times do I have to say some version of, "the township basically clears him"?

[Robz888]

I just don't see how you can lynch someone for having a perfect town game, and besides that you are arguing that his posts have been scummy. I'm wondering if you are voting him for a past game where he won as scum by being towny.

I don't really understand this "perfect town game" narrative, though. No one is playing a perfect town game, we are at MYLO. But any way, that's beside the point.

[gkrieg13]

LaLight I don't know why you are tunneling me this hard but you need to look elsewhere if you are town. We need all 5 townies to vote for a scum to lynch correctly today.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I think Griekg is town and I believe that this crazy pretty much out of nowhere tunneling by LL gives even more evidence to what should already be clear that LL is scum.

[Jimmmmm]

I think Griekg is town and I believe that this crazy pretty much out of nowhere tunneling by LL gives even more evidence to what should already be clear that LL is scum.

What's the rest of the evidence?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I think Griekg is town and I believe that this crazy pretty much out of nowhere tunneling by LL gives even more evidence to what should already be clear that LL is scum.

What's the rest of the evidence?

1. What has he done that has been or could be considered town.
2. He's playing extremely similarly if not the exact same to M94 where he was scum.

[2.71828.....]

I was concerned stuff would happen when I was gone basically all day. I should have known better.

 I will try to put together a more well put together case on Jake then just me tunnelling him tomorrow if I get to it

[schadd]

Vote Count 3.3

LaLight (1): Jimmmmm
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (1): LaLight

Not voting (5): Robz888, gkrieg13, Calamitas, EFHW, JaketheBaseballGod22


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time.

[LaLight]

prod: everyone

What are we at? What is everyone doing? Are you all rereading stuff?

[LaLight]

Current situation is that people think i am scummy, e thinks Jake is scummy, i think gkrieg is scummy but we don't progress. We should though, because talking helps find scum.

[LaLight]

If gkrieg is not happening i am perfectly fine with vote: Jake.

[schadd]

nobody is currently eligible for a prod.

[gkrieg13]

If gkrieg is not happening i am perfectly fine with vote: Jake.

You do realize this is MYLO?  It seriously looks like you haven't put that much effort into finding scum and that you're just throwing names around.

[LaLight]

If gkrieg is not happening i am perfectly fine with vote: Jake.

You do realize this is MYLO?  It seriously looks like you haven't put that much effort into finding scum and that you're just throwing names around.

Yes, I do. But firstly, i am really sure more than 50% that Jake is scum due to his play and poe. Secondly, do we really need to stall for another week with accusations and no voting? I am ready to take the resposibility of the second vote on MyLo.

[gkrieg13]

If gkrieg is not happening i am perfectly fine with vote: Jake.

You do realize this is MYLO?  It seriously looks like you haven't put that much effort into finding scum and that you're just throwing names around.

Yes, I do. But firstly, i am really sure more than 50% that Jake is scum due to his play and poe. Secondly, do we really need to stall for another week with accusations and no voting? I am ready to take the resposibility of the second vote on MyLo.

What POE and what aspects of his play?

[Jimmmmm]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I do

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

If gkrieg is not happening i am perfectly fine with vote: Jake.

You do realize this is MYLO?  It seriously looks like you haven't put that much effort into finding scum and that you're just throwing names around.

Yes, I do. But firstly, i am really sure more than 50% that Jake is scum due to his play and poe. Secondly, do we really need to stall for another week with accusations and no voting? I am ready to take the resposibility of the second vote on MyLo.

This is ridiculous. There's no case on me. This tells me that LL is scum more because scum has to be on my wagon or else scum could hammer me now and win.

[Jimmmmm]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I do

Why?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I do

Why?

Why do you think he's not?

[Robz888]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I completely agree with this, and I don't know where the "wow OMG gkrieg invincible town game" narrative came from. And I've said so repeatedly.

Actually, I do know where it came from, gkrieg sort of just asserted that he's played this perfect town game, and that was that. It's really silly, how can anyone say they've played a perfect town game when we're in MYLO? There was no Day 1 scum lynch, or Day 2 scum lynch. No townie, myself included, is playing a terrific town game, let alone a perfect one.

But all of this is fairly immaterial, given the townslip, which I do think--and maybe here we part ways, Jimm--just overwhelmingly confirms gkrieg as town.

Which leads me to... Vote: LaLight. He was already sort of scummy, but then he started pushing gkrieg, which is silly, and now he's okay with Jake... he's just clearly fine with any vote. I don't see him building cases.

By the way, I don't think Jake is any different here than usual, and I find Jake very hard to read generally. I would be interested to read E's case on him. Not ruling it out, but LL seems like he almost has to be scum at this point.

[Robz888]

This series of posts just reeks of falseness, of a sort of scum desperation:

prod: everyone

What are we at? What is everyone doing? Are you all rereading stuff?

Current situation is that people think i am scummy, e thinks Jake is scummy, i think gkrieg is scummy but we don't progress. We should though, because talking helps find scum.

If gkrieg is not happening i am perfectly fine with vote: Jake.

Like, okay, we had a pause in the action, but it's the weekend, and even if we No Lynch it isn't totally awful. Obviously we should be more active, but I think LL isn't so much trying to get us to do worthwhile stuff as he is trying to get literally any lynch other lynch through.

[LaLight]

This series of posts just reeks of falseness, of a sort of scum desperation:

prod: everyone

What are we at? What is everyone doing? Are you all rereading stuff?

Current situation is that people think i am scummy, e thinks Jake is scummy, i think gkrieg is scummy but we don't progress. We should though, because talking helps find scum.

If gkrieg is not happening i am perfectly fine with vote: Jake.

Like, okay, we had a pause in the action, but it's the weekend, and even if we No Lynch it isn't totally awful. Obviously we should be more active, but I think LL isn't so much trying to get us to do worthwhile stuff as he is trying to get literally any lynch other lynch through.

Scum desperation? Why would I ever be desperate as scum at this point?
This all is just a bad idea. I mean voting for me. I guess the only thing to save us is vig.

I am not fine with just any vote. As I have told earlier, Jake pushes my case with words "he's the same as in M94", but here is the problem: he does not explain why and more interestingly he had not said that before gkrieg said that. I mean gkrieg told that "LaLight is just like M94", Jake caught it and never explaining started to push it and get some town credit because he was my partner there.

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I completely agree with this, and I don't know where the "wow OMG gkrieg invincible town game" narrative came from. And I've said so repeatedly.

Actually, I do know where it came from, gkrieg sort of just asserted that he's played this perfect town game, and that was that. It's really silly, how can anyone say they've played a perfect town game when we're in MYLO? There was no Day 1 scum lynch, or Day 2 scum lynch. No townie, myself included, is playing a terrific town game, let alone a perfect one.

But all of this is fairly immaterial, given the townslip, which I do think--and maybe here we part ways, Jimm--just overwhelmingly confirms gkrieg as town.

Which leads me to... Vote: LaLight. He was already sort of scummy, but then he started pushing gkrieg, which is silly, and now he's okay with Jake... he's just clearly fine with any vote. I don't see him building cases.

By the way, I don't think Jake is any different here than usual, and I find Jake very hard to read generally. I would be interested to read E's case on him. Not ruling it out, but LL seems like he almost has to be scum at this point.

I never said it was perfect but that I have been townie, which is true.

LaLight, if you don't get out of your OMGUS mood and you are town, we can't lynch correctly today.

[LaLight]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I completely agree with this, and I don't know where the "wow OMG gkrieg invincible town game" narrative came from. And I've said so repeatedly.

Actually, I do know where it came from, gkrieg sort of just asserted that he's played this perfect town game, and that was that. It's really silly, how can anyone say they've played a perfect town game when we're in MYLO? There was no Day 1 scum lynch, or Day 2 scum lynch. No townie, myself included, is playing a terrific town game, let alone a perfect one.

But all of this is fairly immaterial, given the townslip, which I do think--and maybe here we part ways, Jimm--just overwhelmingly confirms gkrieg as town.

Which leads me to... Vote: LaLight. He was already sort of scummy, but then he started pushing gkrieg, which is silly, and now he's okay with Jake... he's just clearly fine with any vote. I don't see him building cases.

By the way, I don't think Jake is any different here than usual, and I find Jake very hard to read generally. I would be interested to read E's case on him. Not ruling it out, but LL seems like he almost has to be scum at this point.

I never said it was perfect but that I have been townie, which is true.

LaLight, if you don't get out of your OMGUS mood and you are town, we can't lynch correctly today.

unvote. What options do we have to lynch correctly? Why can't my omgus be correct?

[Jimmmmm]

I have been townie, which is true.

You keep saying this. How have you been Towny?

[Calamitas]

request vote count

Will be LA today, will reread tomorrow.

Voting gkrieg besides his townslip is insane at thia point though.

[schadd]

Vote Count 3.4

LaLight (2): Jimmmmm, Robz888
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): 2.71828...

Not voting (5): gkrieg13, Calamitas, EFHW, JaketheBaseballGod22, LaLight

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time.

[EFHW]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I do

Why?

Why do you think he's not?

Scummy here.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I do

Why?

Why do you think he's not?

Scummy here.

? I think by the idea of innocent until proven guilty so until someone can say why griekg is scummy he's not plus he has done mostly towny things this game.

[Robz888]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I do

Why?

Why do you think he's not?

Scummy here.

? I think by the idea of innocent until proven guilty so until someone can say why griekg is scummy he's not plus he has done mostly towny things this game.

There's no player whose playstyle is more opposite "innocent until proven guilty" than yours, Jake.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Gkrieg plays too perfect town game.

What do you mean by this? I don't think gkrieg's game has been Towny at all, despite him repeatedly claiming so. Does anyone else actually think he's Towny (apart from his "Townslip")?

I do

Why?

Why do you think he's not?

Scummy here.

? I think by the idea of innocent until proven guilty so until someone can say why griekg is scummy he's not plus he has done mostly towny things this game.

There's no player whose playstyle is more opposite "innocent until proven guilty" than yours, Jake.

Yeah sure yep totally but I still see no reasons as to contraindicate my towny view of griekg.

[EFHW]

You volunteered that you think that gkrieg is towny and Jimmmmm asked you why. Instead of answering you turn the question back on him and say gkrieg should be innocent until proven guilty.  But if you make an assertion, like you did, that someone is towny, it is perfectly legit for someone to ask you to elaborate. So you are avoiding the question.  My guess is you threw the "I think gkrieg is towny" thing in without looking at any actual posts by him.

[2.71828.....]

Sorry, life has been busy recently. Not convinced by Robz case on LaLight.

[Jimmmmm]

What is so far fetched about the idea that scum would attempt to gain Towncred in this way? Is it that they would be unable to think of it, or would not be bold enough to try it? I could totally see them discussing in their QT: "I'll Townslip at the start of the next Day, you guys back me up." I'm not saying it in itself is a case, but to completely ignore everything else someone has done because of it? Towncred is pretty much the number one thing scum is trying to achieve.

[Robz888]

What is so far fetched about the idea that scum would attempt to gain Towncred in this way? Is it that they would be unable to think of it, or would not be bold enough to try it? I could totally see them discussing in their QT: "I'll Townslip at the start of the next Day, you guys back me up." I'm not saying it in itself is a case, but to completely ignore everything else someone has done because of it? Towncred is pretty much the number one thing scum is trying to achieve.

Oh it could definitely happen, and I've lost games for assigning too much wait to fake!slips... but this one really didn't seem fake to me.

[Jimmmmm]

What is so far fetched about the idea that scum would attempt to gain Towncred in this way? Is it that they would be unable to think of it, or would not be bold enough to try it? I could totally see them discussing in their QT: "I'll Townslip at the start of the next Day, you guys back me up." I'm not saying it in itself is a case, but to completely ignore everything else someone has done because of it? Towncred is pretty much the number one thing scum is trying to achieve.

Oh it could definitely happen, and I've lost games for assigning too much wait to fake!slips... but this one really didn't seem fake to me.

How do four words with no real other context seem fake or otherwise? Basically you're saying scum is unable to come up with the words "Also strange scum kill."

[gkrieg13]

I also wasn't on any of the town wagons D1

[Jimmmmm]

I also wasn't on any of the town wagons D1

That doesn't make you Towny.

[LaLight]

I also wasn't on any of the town wagons D1

Another highlight i don't like. People don't usually gather their town!achievements. Unless they know that in some time they will prove they're town and they will need a perfect alibi.

[Jimmmmm]

I also wasn't on any of the town wagons D1

That doesn't make you Towny.

Actually literally everyone was on a Town wagon at the end of Day 1. If we're going by that, the scummiest were those on the Dylan (who I thought was pretty obviously Town) wagon, who didn't help push through either viable lynch (admittedly those of us on the RR wagon didn't help the Eevee lynch either). Claiming Town points for that is pretty scummy.

[gkrieg13]

I also wasn't on any of the town wagons D1

That doesn't make you Towny.

Actually literally everyone was on a Town wagon at the end of Day 1. If we're going by that, the scummiest were those on the Dylan (who I thought was pretty obviously Town) wagon, who didn't help push through either viable lynch (admittedly those of us on the RR wagon didn't help the Eevee lynch either). Claiming Town points for that is pretty scummy.

Dylan was not obviously town.  I know I was wrong about him, but the fact that he almost got lynched means that he wasn't obviously town.

[Jimmmmm]

I also wasn't on any of the town wagons D1

That doesn't make you Towny.

Actually literally everyone was on a Town wagon at the end of Day 1. If we're going by that, the scummiest were those on the Dylan (who I thought was pretty obviously Town) wagon, who didn't help push through either viable lynch (admittedly those of us on the RR wagon didn't help the Eevee lynch either). Claiming Town points for that is pretty scummy.

Dylan was not obviously town.  I know I was wrong about him, but the fact that he almost got lynched means that he wasn't obviously town.

Do you admit that you lied about not being on any Town wagons then?

[gkrieg13]

I also wasn't on any of the town wagons D1

That doesn't make you Towny.

Actually literally everyone was on a Town wagon at the end of Day 1. If we're going by that, the scummiest were those on the Dylan (who I thought was pretty obviously Town) wagon, who didn't help push through either viable lynch (admittedly those of us on the RR wagon didn't help the Eevee lynch either). Claiming Town points for that is pretty scummy.

Dylan was not obviously town.  I know I was wrong about him, but the fact that he almost got lynched means that he wasn't obviously town.

Do you admit that you lied about not being on any Town wagons then?

I had forgotten who I was on D1, just that it wasn't on either of the people who had flipped town by D2.  Now with Dylan's flip, you are right that I was on a town wagon.

[Jimmmmm]

vote: WW, as he is actually scum this game

Yes this is RTS, but he immediately shows an attitude of wanting to have strong reads.

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

I think his emotion was off on that post I mentioned earlier, and I think this weird sheep vote is also out of character for him.

The "off" emotion was entirely in the words "Dang it". The "weird sheep vote" was semi-RVS and ~130 posts into Day 1.

Definitely was just because there were two scummy things that he did today.

LaLight gets scummier and scummier with his defense.

...

Also Dylan is so far in the background.  Much more than he usually is.

...

The way that Dylan and LaLight are voting for each other makes me almost certain that one or both of them are scum.

Another (almost) certainty. He didn't give any reason why them voting for each other meant one or both was scum. The two of them didn't really have much direct interaction that I could find.

I guess I'll move to RR to get a lynch, but I really doubt he is scum, whereas Dylan is actually scum

"Actually scum". The same words he used in his opening RVS vote (I say this because it demonstrates the attitude he came into the game with.

that was the hammer right?

This was dubious. I'll admit to my shame that I stopped checking the thread (I was also busy) because of this post.

And that's the highlights of his Day 1. Basically he tunnelled Dylan, incorrectly calling him "definitely scum" for very little reason, and then added LaLight (one or both), again for very little reason.

[Jimmmmm]

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Ok, I actually thought it was the hammer.  I wasn't excited about the RR lynch anyway.  And I was one of 3 people not on either town wagon.  How is that scummy.

Here is the first indication of how concerned he is with his own Towniness. What he took away from Day 1 was nothing about other players' alignments but rather, "I was on neither confirmed Town wagon, therefore I'm Towny".

This explains why he recently (#858) forgot that he actually was on a Town wagon on Day 1. All he cared about was his apparent Towniness. He didn't realise that it was different now that Dylan is dead because he already knew Dylan was Town.

[gkrieg13]

vote: WW, as he is actually scum this game

Yes this is RTS, but he immediately shows an attitude of wanting to have strong reads.

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

I think his emotion was off on that post I mentioned earlier, and I think this weird sheep vote is also out of character for him.

The "off" emotion was entirely in the words "Dang it". The "weird sheep vote" was semi-RVS and ~130 posts into Day 1.

Definitely was just because there were two scummy things that he did today.

LaLight gets scummier and scummier with his defense.

...

Also Dylan is so far in the background.  Much more than he usually is.

...

The way that Dylan and LaLight are voting for each other makes me almost certain that one or both of them are scum.

Another (almost) certainty. He didn't give any reason why them voting for each other meant one or both was scum. The two of them didn't really have much direct interaction that I could find.

I guess I'll move to RR to get a lynch, but I really doubt he is scum, whereas Dylan is actually scum

"Actually scum". The same words he used in his opening RVS vote (I say this because it demonstrates the attitude he came into the game with.

that was the hammer right?

This was dubious. I'll admit to my shame that I stopped checking the thread (I was also busy) because of this post.

And that's the highlights of his Day 1. Basically he tunnelled Dylan, incorrectly calling him "definitely scum" for very little reason, and then added LaLight (one or both), again for very little reason.

This would work as a meta argument for me being scum if it wasn't my town meta.  Look at previous town and scum games from me, I'm just confident in my reads. 

Yeah so much for leaning town on Robz after the flip. Right now Robz is scummy, and (admittedly a bit of OMGUS) gkrieg feels slightly scummy to, in part because of the whole "that was the hammer right?" and then going offline through the end of the deadline at L-1. I know it is a mistake town could honestly make, but it is also perfect excuse to leave your vote on a wagon you know is town for scum.

Ok, I actually thought it was the hammer.  I wasn't excited about the RR lynch anyway.  And I was one of 3 people not on either town wagon.  How is that scummy.

Here is the first indication of how concerned he is with his own Towniness. What he took away from Day 1 was nothing about other players' alignments but rather, "I was on neither confirmed Town wagon, therefore I'm Towny".

This explains why he recently (#858) forgot that he actually was on a Town wagon on Day 1. All he cared about was his apparent Towniness. He didn't realise that it was different now that Dylan is dead because he already knew Dylan was Town.

You could at least try and see it from both perspectives.  I didn't think Dylan was town until he flipped at the beginning of this day, and I thought I was on LaLight at the end of D1, instead of Dylan.  Also that was clearly before I had reread the thread, which means that really at that point I had only taken from D1 that I looked townie, not that anyone looked scummy from the flips yet.

[2.71828.....]

I have read the case on gkrieg, and every quote that was pulled to make him look scum made him look more town.

[LaLight]

Still no quickhammer which leads to the conclusion that Jimmmmm/Robz or both are scum. I need to reread Jimmmmm.

[EFHW]

Still no quickhammer which leads to the conclusion that Jimmmmm/Robz or both are scum. I need to reread Jimmmmm.

Your being scum is another conclusion one could draw.

[Robz888]

You know who I'm starting to get a bad feeling about? Calamitas.

[LaLight]

You know who I'm starting to get a bad feeling about? Calamitas.

Right, he's here. Why?

[LaLight]

Still no quickhammer which leads to the conclusion that Jimmmmm/Robz or both are scum. I need to reread Jimmmmm.

Your being scum is another conclusion one could draw.

But not me, cause i know that i'm town

[gkrieg13]

vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

vote: LaLight

oh god, you are still trying to quicklynch me.

[LaLight]

IMO, after many days of waiting for one more townie to appear on my wagon, gkrieg decided to take the risk and finally vote me to make it look like I am the viable wagon. That's a bad idea and now I am even more sure you're scum.

[LaLight]

well, let's hope no one else will believe in that.

[EFHW]

You know who I'm starting to get a bad feeling about? Calamitas.

Based on what exactly?

[gkrieg13]

vote: LaLight

oh god, you are still trying to quicklynch me.

Clearly not a quicklynch. You aren't looking for scum at this point.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I strongly believe LL is scum now soVote: LL

[LaLight]

I am a VT. Lynch me, but hope for Vig to guess correctly.

[2.71828.....]

I am a VT. Lynch me, but hope for Vig to guess correctly.

I don't trust the vig enough for that

[Jimmmmm]

Unvote

[2.71828.....]

Jimmmmm, Robz, gkrieg, and Jake on the LaLight wagon before Jimmmmm unvoted.

Of those four people, I think at least one is scum even if LaLight is also scum.

[schadd]

Vote Count 3.5

LaLight (3): Robz888, gkrieg13, JaketheBaseballGod22
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): 2.71828...

Not voting (4): Calamitas, EFHW, LaLight, Jimmmmm

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm, Robz, gkrieg, and Jake on the LaLight wagon before Jimmmmm unvoted.

Of those four people, I think at least one is scum even if LaLight is also scum.

Why (apart from being statistically likely)?

[Calamitas]

Damn, thought it was L-2.

[2.71828.....]

Jimmmmm, Robz, gkrieg, and Jake on the LaLight wagon before Jimmmmm unvoted.

Of those four people, I think at least one is scum even if LaLight is also scum.

Why (apart from being statistically likely)?

Jake is on the wagon.

[2.71828.....]

Damn, thought it was L-2.

?

[LaLight]

Damn, thought it was L-2.

It is now.

[Calamitas]

Damn, thought it was L-2.

?

Was rereading and could have made clear that I cannot be scum together with LaLight.

[Calamitas]

Damn, thought it was L-2.

?

Was rereading and could have made clear that I cannot be scum while LaLight is town.

Fixed

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm, Robz, gkrieg, and Jake on the LaLight wagon before Jimmmmm unvoted.

Of those four people, I think at least one is scum even if LaLight is also scum.

Why (apart from being statistically likely)?

Jake is on the wagon.

I don't follow.

[2.71828.....]

Jimmmmm, Robz, gkrieg, and Jake on the LaLight wagon before Jimmmmm unvoted.

Of those four people, I think at least one is scum even if LaLight is also scum.

Why (apart from being statistically likely)?

Jake is on the wagon.

I don't follow.

Jake is scum. Or at least, I think he is. So I am using the circumstance of the wagon to help other people see the same thing

[2.71828.....]

Damn, thought it was L-2.

?

Was rereading and could have made clear that I cannot be scum while LaLight is town.

Fixed

Oh. Yeah. I can apply that to myself though. If LL is town, I am not scum. Pseudo-IC status here I come.

Unless, of course, LL is scum.

[LaLight]

Yes. Gkrieg/Jake/EFHW?

[Calamitas]

Damn, thought it was L-2.

?

Was rereading and could have made clear that I cannot be scum while LaLight is town.

Fixed

Oh. Yeah. I can apply that to myself though. If LL is town, I am not scum. Pseudo-IC status here I come.

Unless, of course, LL is scum.

In the minds of LaLight (and only LaLight) you should be considered an IC now.

[EFHW]

I strongly believe LL is scum now soVote: LL

vote: Jake LL could well be scum, but this feels like a casual disregard of mylo. gkrieg too, but I can only vote for one.

[EFHW]

Yes. Gkrieg/Jake/EFHW?

What is the question?

[2.71828.....]

Yes. Gkrieg/Jake/EFHW?

What is the question?

I think LaLight is trying to call who the scum team is

[2.71828.....]

Yes. Gkrieg/Jake/EFHW?

What is the question?

I think LaLight is trying to call who the scum team is

And congrats. You made the list

[LaLight]

Yes. Gkrieg/Jake/EFHW?

What is the question?

I think LaLight is trying to call who the scum team is

Exactly. Apparently i also forgot Robz and Jimmmmm. Jimmmmm could unvote me to get towncred when there will be my flip. Robz... I don't know. Calamitas accusation without elaborating is troubling and also i was scumreading him most of the game.

[LaLight]

My reads are always crap and even if i guess scum right i never can convince people... but i have never been as sure as in gkrieg now.

[Jimmmmm]

Can we get a wagon going? Vote: gkrieg

[Calamitas]

And please, be careful about voting, scum has a Rolecop who may know who's vig. Then we're at MyLo.

This does not really fit LaLight's play here. From a town perspective, it is pretty likely that scum knows the vig's identity with a good chance (JK 50% + rolecop results + reads). That post implies that LaLight is aware of that.

Nevertheless, he currently plays not like he is assuming the game is over if he is misslynched.

[LaLight]

And please, be careful about voting, scum has a Rolecop who may know who's vig. Then we're at MyLo.

This does not really fit LaLight's play here. From a town perspective, it is pretty likely that scum knows the vig's identity with a good chance (JK 50% + rolecop results + reads). That post implies that LaLight is aware of that.

Nevertheless, he currently plays not like he is assuming the game is over if he is misslynched.

well, yeah, because if it's over, it's over, but if there is a chance it's not over I am trying to be useful before death

[LaLight]

There is a worst outcome and the best outcome.

We should assume it's a worst and behave like this is the one. But there is also a chance of the bad one and i can assume what will happen if it's the best.

tl;dr act like we're in the worst scenario, speak about all the scenarios.

sorry, 2am here, cn't really formulate thoughts.

[LaLight]

*good one

[Calamitas]

I am a VT. Lynch me, but hope for Vig to guess correctly.

That post is my problem. After being put to unannounced L-1 in probable MyLo scenario I just don't see town!LaLight making that post.

[gkrieg13]

Can we get a wagon going? Vote: gkrieg

Why did you unvote LaLight?

[Jimmmmm]

Can we get a wagon going? Vote: gkrieg

Why did you unvote LaLight?

The same reason anyone unvotes someone when they're at L-1. What are you actually asking?

[gkrieg13]

Can we get a wagon going? Vote: gkrieg

Why did you unvote LaLight?

The same reason anyone unvotes someone when they're at L-1. What are you actually asking?

What is that reason?  What made you go from wanting to lynch LaLight to not wanting to lynch him.

[Jimmmmm]

Can we get a wagon going? Vote: gkrieg

Why did you unvote LaLight?

The same reason anyone unvotes someone when they're at L-1. What are you actually asking?

What is that reason?  What made you go from wanting to lynch LaLight to not wanting to lynch him.

Wanting to lynch you more.

[gkrieg13]

Can we get a wagon going? Vote: gkrieg

Why did you unvote LaLight?

The same reason anyone unvotes someone when they're at L-1. What are you actually asking?

What is that reason?  What made you go from wanting to lynch LaLight to not wanting to lynch him.

Wanting to lynch you more.

But if that was your reason, why unvote?  Why not just vote for me?

[Jimmmmm]

What difference does it make?

[gkrieg13]

What difference does it make?

That just seems like a weak reason to unvote someone at L-1, and I don't think it looks like that is the reason, because of the timing of your unvote and vote for me.

[Robz888]

And.... I feel like I really need to re-read.

I also feel like LaLight is getting away with murder here. But there's other stuff going on.

Question for you, gkrieg: Jimm is pushing you. How does this make you feel about Jimm?

[Jimmmmm]

I also feel like LaLight is getting away with murder here. But there's other stuff going on.

There was one scummy post from LaLight ("btw good thing I'm Town this game guys"). What's the case on him otherwise? Feel free to point it out to me if it's already been made.

[Robz888]

I also feel like LaLight is getting away with murder here. But there's other stuff going on.

There was one scummy post from LaLight ("btw good thing I'm Town this game guys"). What's the case on him otherwise? Feel free to point it out to me if it's already been made.

Maybe I'm tunneling, but every single thing he says seems scummy to me. And I'm actually not talking about the latest stuff, the latest stuff I actually thought was slightly townier, could be genuine about-to-be-mislynched-and-lose-the-game town. So I'll just recite my earlier suspicion:

Vote: LaLight. He was already sort of scummy, but then he started pushing gkrieg, which is silly, and now he's okay with Jake... he's just clearly fine with any vote. I don't see him building cases.

[Jimmmmm]

Well that's not murder.

[gkrieg13]

And.... I feel like I really need to re-read.

I also feel like LaLight is getting away with murder here. But there's other stuff going on.

Question for you, gkrieg: Jimm is pushing you. How does this make you feel about Jimm?

It makes me feel like he is scum, but less because he is pushing me and more because of the way that he unvoted from LaLight

[Jimmmmm]

Unvote

?

[gkrieg13]

The way that you unvoted and then voted me later, and you reason for not wanting to lynch LaLight after he was put to L-1 was that you want to lynch me more.

[Robz888]

And.... I feel like I really need to re-read.

I also feel like LaLight is getting away with murder here. But there's other stuff going on.

Question for you, gkrieg: Jimm is pushing you. How does this make you feel about Jimm?

It makes me feel like he is scum, but less because he is pushing me and more because of the way that he unvoted from LaLight

Well, that's what I had hoped to hear from you. If you had gone retaliatory on Jimm I was prepared to reconsider my read on you. As for Jim's invite I agree.

[Robz888]

*As for Jim's unvote******* I agree with gkrieg's negative take

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

[Robz888]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

That's not the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. But who is X? 2.7? EFHW? Calamitas?

[2.71828.....]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

That's not the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. But who is X? 2.7? EFHW? Calamitas?

Not me. I am a pseudo-IC

[Robz888]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

That's not the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. But who is X? 2.7? EFHW? Calamitas?

Not me. I am a pseudo-IC

Not in the event that LL is scum.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

That's not the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. But who is X? 2.7? EFHW? Calamitas?

I'm a little worried about cal but I'm not sure which is why X is place holding

[EFHW]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

[EFHW]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

That's not the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. But who is X? 2.7? EFHW? Calamitas?

Not me. I am a pseudo-IC

Did I miss something?  Or maybe you are joking.

[EFHW]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

Sorry, I see there is also the issue of his unvote. That's seems pretty standard when someone is put to L-1 at Mylo, especially when the L-1 is unannounced.

[EFHW]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

That's not the most ridiculous thing you've ever said. But who is X? 2.7? EFHW? Calamitas?

X is definitely scum, though.  At least we can be sure of that.

[gkrieg13]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

Sorry, I see there is also the issue of his unvote. That's seems pretty standard when someone is put to L-1 at Mylo, especially when the L-1 is unannounced.

But what about the rationale behind it?

[EFHW]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

Sorry, I see there is also the issue of his unvote. That's seems pretty standard when someone is put to L-1 at Mylo, especially when the L-1 is unannounced.

What do you mean?  He said that was why he unvoted.

But what about the rationale behind it?

[EFHW]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

Sorry, I see there is also the issue of his unvote. That's seems pretty standard when someone is put to L-1 at Mylo, especially when the L-1 is unannounced.

But what about the rationale behind it?

What do you mean?  He said that was why he unvoted.

[Robz888]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

Sorry, I see there is also the issue of his unvote. That's seems pretty standard when someone is put to L-1 at Mylo, especially when the L-1 is unannounced.

But what about the rationale behind it?

Sort of looked like sabotaging an actually good lynch, to me.

[gkrieg13]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

Sorry, I see there is also the issue of his unvote. That's seems pretty standard when someone is put to L-1 at Mylo, especially when the L-1 is unannounced.

But what about the rationale behind it?

What do you mean?  He said that was why he unvoted.

No he didn't. He said he unvoted because he wanted to lynch me more.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

Sorry, I see there is also the issue of his unvote. That's seems pretty standard when someone is put to L-1 at Mylo, especially when the L-1 is unannounced.

But what about the rationale behind it?

Sort of looked like sabotaging an actually good lynch, to me.

Yes that's why he's on there

[LaLight]

I think i am going to return to vote: gkrieg and not much can make me change my mind.

[LaLight]

We Have to lynch scum

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

We Have to lynch scum

Which means you should vote yourself

[LaLight]

Is everybody Awaclus here?

[LaLight]

We Have to lynch scum

Which means you should vote yourself

Actually, this means you should be doublevoter to be capable of voting gkrieg and yourself.

[EFHW]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

Sorry, I see there is also the issue of his unvote. That's seems pretty standard when someone is put to L-1 at Mylo, especially when the L-1 is unannounced.

But what about the rationale behind it?

What do you mean?  He said that was why he unvoted.

No he didn't. He said he unvoted because he wanted to lynch me more.

Can we get a wagon going? Vote: gkrieg

Why did you unvote LaLight?

The same reason anyone unvotes someone when they're at L-1. What are you actually asking?

In this case I feel like your questions about why he unvoted without voting you and his (irritated?) answers distorted what was happening there. It looks to me that he unvoted in response to Jake's vote and then voted you as an alternative.

[EFHW]

Can we get a wagon going? Vote: gkrieg

This is the only thing that struck me as strange, since even without his vote, LL is still a going wagon.

[gkrieg13]

I'm gonna call a LL, Jimmmmm, X scum team. I still think we lynch LL here

Is Jimmmmm on there for any other reason besides that he disagrees with you?

Sorry, I see there is also the issue of his unvote. That's seems pretty standard when someone is put to L-1 at Mylo, especially when the L-1 is unannounced.

But what about the rationale behind it?

What do you mean?  He said that was why he unvoted.

No he didn't. He said he unvoted because he wanted to lynch me more.

Can we get a wagon going? Vote: gkrieg

Why did you unvote LaLight?

The same reason anyone unvotes someone when they're at L-1. What are you actually asking?

In this case I feel like your questions about why he unvoted without voting you and his (irritated?) answers distorted what was happening there. It looks to me that he unvoted in response to Jake's vote and then voted you as an alternative.

I get that, but you unvote someone at L-1 when something has changed your mind about them. He didn't offer anything up to indicate what changed his mind then when he gave some kind of reason, it was a very weak one.

[Robz888]

I am at this point incredibly suspicious of Jimm, but Jimm being scum really only makes sense in a universe where LL is scum, right? So we should still lynch LL. If anyone disagrees, please explain why.

[Calamitas]

I am at this point incredibly suspicious of Jimm, but Jimm being scum really only makes sense in a universe where LL is scum, right? So we should still lynch LL. If anyone disagrees, please explain why.

Scum!Jimm makes sense as well if LaLight is town and if all scum were on the wagon already. It is certainly easier for scum to get one additional townie to join the wagon if that wagon is at L-2 instead of L-1.

[LaLight]

My PoE says me that Jim, E, Calamitas are town.

Robz, EFHW, gkrieg, Jake.

[Robz888]

I am at this point incredibly suspicious of Jimm, but Jimm being scum really only makes sense in a universe where LL is scum, right? So we should still lynch LL. If anyone disagrees, please explain why.

Scum!Jimm makes sense as well if LaLight is town and if all scum were on the wagon already. It is certainly easier for scum to get one additional townie to join the wagon if that wagon is at L-2 instead of L-1.

So if Jimm is scum and two out of the three of me / gkrieg / Jake? Don't think so.

[gkrieg13]

My PoE says me that Jim, E, Calamitas are town.

Robz, EFHW, gkrieg, Jake.

Why Jimmm and why Calamitas?

[Robz888]

We seem to be lining up in camps...

The Anti-LL camp: Me, gkrieg, Jake
The Pro-LL camp: LL, Jimm, 2.7
The Null camp: Calamitas, EFHW

I'm thinking LL is scum, plus one of (Jimm/2.7) and one of (Calamitas/EFHW).

Bussing is always a possibility, and shouldn't be ignored entirely. I'm sure gkrieg has the skills to pull that off here... in fact if that's what he's doing, scum will win for sure... but still, the townslip. Does Jake bus? I don't think so. All assuming LL is actually scum, of course.

[LaLight]

My PoE says me that Jim, E, Calamitas are town.

Robz, EFHW, gkrieg, Jake.

Why Jimmm and why Calamitas?

Jimmmmm unvoted my wagon, he wouldn't do it if he was scum. Calamitas may have hammered and didn't.

[LaLight]

We seem to be lining up in camps...

The Anti-LL camp: Me, gkrieg, Jake
The Pro-LL camp: LL, Jimm, 2.7
The Null camp: Calamitas, EFHW

I'm thinking LL is scum, plus one of (Jimm/2.7) and one of (Calamitas/EFHW).

Bussing is always a possibility, and shouldn't be ignored entirely. I'm sure gkrieg has the skills to pull that off here... in fact if that's what he's doing, scum will win for sure... but still, the townslip. Does Jake bus? I don't think so. All assuming LL is actually scum, of course.

Problem is that pro-LL camp doesn't have one candidature to lynch so we're stuck.

[Robz888]

My PoE says me that Jim, E, Calamitas are town.

Robz, EFHW, gkrieg, Jake.

Why Jimmm and why Calamitas?

Jimmmmm unvoted my wagon, he wouldn't do it if he was scum. Calamitas may have hammered and didn't.

I thought we determined that Calamitas wasn't actually in a position to hammer you and therefore that doesn't apply. All he did was point out the missed opportunity.

[Jimmmmm]

The "Why did Jimmmmm unvote?" question is silly. I had been arguing against gkrieg for several days before I unvoted. A more sensible question might be "Why didn't Jimmmmm change his vote earlier?"

[LaLight]

The "Why did Jimmmmm unvote?" question is silly. I had been arguing against gkrieg for several days before I unvoted. A more sensible question might be "Why didn't Jimmmmm change his vote earlier?"

so, why?

[Jimmmmm]

The "Why did Jimmmmm unvote?" question is silly. I had been arguing against gkrieg for several days before I unvoted. A more sensible question might be "Why didn't Jimmmmm change his vote earlier?"

so, why?

Good question. Probably because it seeems such an unlikely lynch to actually occur.

[Calamitas]

My PoE says me that Jim, E, Calamitas are town.

Robz, EFHW, gkrieg, Jake.

Why Jimmm and why Calamitas?

Jimmmmm unvoted my wagon, he wouldn't do it if he was scum. Calamitas may have hammered and didn't.

I thought we determined that Calamitas wasn't actually in a position to hammer you and therefore that doesn't apply. All he did was point out the missed opportunity.

I was in the position, I did not proof it though. My not hammering is still decent evidence of me being town though (assuming LaLight is scum).

[Calamitas]

My PoE says me that Jim, E, Calamitas are town.

Robz, EFHW, gkrieg, Jake.

Why Jimmm and why Calamitas?

Jimmmmm unvoted my wagon, he wouldn't do it if he was scum. Calamitas may have hammered and didn't.

I thought we determined that Calamitas wasn't actually in a position to hammer you and therefore that doesn't apply. All he did was point out the missed opportunity.

I was in the position, I did not proof it though. My not hammering is still decent evidence of me being town though (assuming LaLight is not cum).

Fixed

[Calamitas]

My PoE says me that Jim, E, Calamitas are town.

Robz, EFHW, gkrieg, Jake.

Why Jimmm and why Calamitas?

Jimmmmm unvoted my wagon, he wouldn't do it if he was scum. Calamitas may have hammered and didn't.

I thought we determined that Calamitas wasn't actually in a position to hammer you and therefore that doesn't apply. All he did was point out the missed opportunity.

I was in the position, I did not proof it though. My not hammering is still decent evidence of me being town though (assuming LaLight is not scum).

Fixed

Now fixed for real

[gkrieg13]

The "Why did Jimmmmm unvote?" question is silly. I had been arguing against gkrieg for several days before I unvoted. A more sensible question might be "Why didn't Jimmmmm change his vote earlier?"

so, why?

Good question. Probably because it seeems such an unlikely lynch to actually occur.

If LaLight flips scum, this is the scummiest thing that has ever been uttered

[Jimmmmm]

The "Why did Jimmmmm unvote?" question is silly. I had been arguing against gkrieg for several days before I unvoted. A more sensible question might be "Why didn't Jimmmmm change his vote earlier?"

so, why?

Good question. Probably because it seeems such an unlikely lynch to actually occur.

If LaLight flips scum, this is the scummiest thing that has ever been uttered

Why's that?

[Jimmmmm]

I must say I find Robz' and gkrieg's accuations rather encouraging.

[Robz888]

I must say I find Robz' and gkrieg's accuations rather encouraging.

Our accusations against you, or against LL? Encouraging in what way? That we are town?

[Jimmmmm]

I must say I find Robz' and gkrieg's accuations rather encouraging.

Our accusations against you, or against LL? Encouraging in what way? That we are town?

Against me. I think you're both scum.

[Robz888]

I must say I find Robz' and gkrieg's accuations rather encouraging.

Our accusations against you, or against LL? Encouraging in what way? That we are town?

Against me. I think you're both scum.

Oh. Really? That seems... retaliatory.

[Jimmmmm]

I must say I find Robz' and gkrieg's accuations rather encouraging.

Our accusations against you, or against LL? Encouraging in what way? That we are town?

Against me. I think you're both scum.

Oh. Really? That seems... retaliatory.

Yeah, you're right. I should have expressed that earlier. Props to you for getting in first; you're very clever.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Yeah this is ridiculous so can we just lynch LL and then lynch Jimmmmm tomorrow. I would love to flip flop that order though

[2.71828.....]

Go back. Read D1. Tell me Jimmmmm is scum. I don't think you can.

[gkrieg13]

Go back. Read D1. Tell me Jimmmmm is scum. I don't think you can.

Show me that he isn't.

[Jimmmmm]

Go back. Read D1. Tell me Jimmmmm is scum. I don't think you can.

Show me that he isn't.

This seems to be the fashionable way to give answers at the moment.

[Jimmmmm]

Yeah this is ridiculous so can we just lynch LL and then lynch Jimmmmm tomorrow. I would love to flip flop that order though

So you're the third?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Yeah this is ridiculous so can we just lynch LL and then lynch Jimmmmm tomorrow. I would love to flip flop that order though

So you're the third?

Lol I can't believe you haven't been lynched already.  Vote: Jimmmmmm

[Jimmmmm]

Yeah this is ridiculous so can we just lynch LL and then lynch Jimmmmm tomorrow. I would love to flip flop that order though

So you're the third?

Lol I can't believe you haven't been lynched already.  Vote: Jimmmmmm

Well no one's made a case on me apart from "He unvoted".

[EFHW]

The "Why did Jimmmmm unvote?" question is silly. I had been arguing against gkrieg for several days before I unvoted. A more sensible question might be "Why didn't Jimmmmm change his vote earlier?"

so, why?

Good question. Probably because it seeems such an unlikely lynch to actually occur.

If LaLight flips scum, this is the scummiest thing that has ever been uttered

I think he means your lynch was unlikely.

[EFHW]

vote count please

[Robz888]

Go back. Read D1. Tell me Jimmmmm is scum. I don't think you can.

I don't know what you mean by this, so I'll look back with an open mind. But I didn't like this argument applied to gkrieg, and I don't like it applied to Jimm. I don't really think anything happened to anyone on Day 1 that was so acquitting it matters now.

[2.71828.....]

So, looking back at jimmmm's D1, there is not a whole lot there, but then, can any of us say there was a while lot from anyone? A very lackluster D1 performance that culminated in a......no lynch. Poop. Anyway, during that performance, I would like to highlight 3 posts by jimmmmm:

Eevee and Jimmmmm haven't posted for a while. afaik it's okay for Jimmmmm, not so for Eevee.

Why is it okay for me but not Eevee?

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

Only scum worry about votes with no case.

Vote: Lalight

Erm, no? I always worry about it.
I don't like how quickly my wagon is growing. I am ready to say there's scum on it. vote: Dylan32

What about his vote was scummy?

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

In these posts, jimmmmm defends both eevee and dylan- both of whom turned out to be town. Defending eevee makes sense some with the context, but he went out of his way to defend dylan. Twice. In a row.

I just don't see scum!jimmmmm doing that. We have evidence to base or reads off, not just D1 hearsay gut feelings. Let's use it and lynch scum.

[2.71828.....]

Go back. Read D1. Tell me Jimmmmm is scum. I don't think you can.

Show me that he isn't.

The above post was an answer to this. That as well as what I would describe generally towny play. Sure, he ends up on a town wagon. But then, we all did

[Calamitas]

Will be here for 7 hours or so from now.

I think we should go back to LaLight, #881 is just insanely scummy and him being town is a more complicated hypothesis than any other.
It requires:

a) town!e
b) town!jimm or scum!jimm + 2 scum out of {Jake, Robz, Gkrieg}

vote: LaLight

[EFHW]

Calamitas makes sense here.  Intent to hammer.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Calamitas makes sense here.  Intent to hammer.

go for it.

[EFHW]

Calamitas makes sense here.  Intent to hammer.

go for it.

I would like to see the vote count first.

[LaLight]

Thanks god you intended first before hammering.

This is a lose. Don't lynch me just because if I am town, it makes complections, what on earth the argument is it?

[Calamitas]

Thanks god you intended first before hammering.

This is a lose. Don't lynch me just because if I am town, it makes complections, what on earth the argument is it?

It is an absolutely legit argument. If a hypothesis requires more assumptions it becomes less likely.

[LaLight]

Thanks god you intended first before hammering.

This is a lose. Don't lynch me just because if I am town, it makes complections, what on earth the argument is it?

It is an absolutely legit argument. If a hypothesis requires more assumptions it becomes less likely.

Can you give a percentage you appeal to? It's a percentage of town lose right here and now.

[Calamitas]

Thanks god you intended first before hammering.

This is a lose. Don't lynch me just because if I am town, it makes complections, what on earth the argument is it?

It is an absolutely legit argument. If a hypothesis requires more assumptions it becomes less likely.

Can you give a percentage you appeal to? It's a percentage of town lose right here and now.

I think I don't understand your question

[LaLight]

Thanks god you intended first before hammering.

This is a lose. Don't lynch me just because if I am town, it makes complections, what on earth the argument is it?

It is an absolutely legit argument. If a hypothesis requires more assumptions it becomes less likely.

Can you give a percentage you appeal to? It's a percentage of town lose right here and now.

I think I don't understand your question

Say probability i'm town is 50%. Assumptions make it less likely. Say 30%. Then 70% is a percentage of town immediate lose because of mislynch.

[LaLight]

What is it in this case? Can you rely on that?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Thanks god you intended first before hammering.

This is a lose. Don't lynch me just because if I am town, it makes complections, what on earth the argument is it?

It is an absolutely legit argument. If a hypothesis requires more assumptions it becomes less likely.

Can you give a percentage you appeal to? It's a percentage of town lose right here and now.

I think I don't understand your question

Say probability i'm town is 50%. Assumptions make it less likely. Say 30%. Then 70% is a percentage of town immediate lose because of mislynch.

Let's be real here there's a 5% chance your town. Intent to hammer as well

[LaLight]

All these intentions when i already claimed.. look at these people if the next day will come.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

All these intentions when i already claimed.. look at these people when the next day comes.

Fixed

[LaLight]

All these intentions when i already claimed.. look at these people when the next day comes.

Fixed

I wouldn't be so optimistic.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

All these intentions when i already claimed.. look at these people when the next day comes.

Fixed

I wouldn't be so optimistic.

I would intent to hammer in 2 hours or 3:00 forum time.

[LaLight]

So, that's how it feels being mislynched. Gg

[Calamitas]

Is he even L-1? If he is, just vote for him. He is pretty much conf!scum in that case.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

So, that's how it feels being mislynched. Gg

Would you be open to lynching Jimmmm because I would rather lynch him over you.

[schadd]

Vote Count 3.6

LaLight (3): Robz888, gkrieg13, Calamitas
JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): 2.71828..., EFHW
gkrieg13 (2): Jimmmmm, LaLight
Jimmmmm (1): JaketheBaseballGod22

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Friday, March 17 at midnight forum time.

[LaLight]

Is he even L-1? If he is, just vote for him. He is pretty much conf!scum in that case.

Lie. 3 scum + town.

[LaLight]

Eh?! I was sure i am at l-1

[Calamitas]

Is he even L-1? If he is, just vote for him. He is pretty much conf!scum in that case.

Lie. 3 scum + town.

That's why I said pretty much.
You being town would have required town!e, town!efhw, town!jake in case of L-1 if we assume scum would quickhammer. I would call that "pretty much conf!scum".

[Robz888]

Let's get the LL lynch done already!

[LaLight]

Is he even L-1? If he is, just vote for him. He is pretty much conf!scum in that case.

Lie. 3 scum + town.

That's why I said pretty much.
You being town would have required town!e, town!efhw, town!jake in case of L-1 if we assume scum would quickhammer. I would call that "pretty much conf!scum".

Don't forget scum might not want to qh.

[LaLight]

Let's get the LL lynch done already!

Lynchproof is my meta

[LaLight]

Btw deadline is pretty close and if we still want to lynch real scum and continue the game, we should gather up.

[LaLight]

Also if you look at vote count closely you'll se that Jake and gkrieg actually are the scum team i was talking about the whole time

[LaLight]

So it's Jake/gkrieg/Robz or Calamitas. Jake is also keeping his vote somewhere to be able to quickhammer.

Look at how he was throwing votes the whole D2. Scummy scum i tell you

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote: LL

[2.71828.....]

@LaLight you should join the Jake wagon then. We can lynch gkrieg later if it come down to it.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote: LL

Alright now someone hammer this scum.

[LaLight]

vote: Jake

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Request Vote Count EFHW can you hammer already.

[LaLight]

Request Vote Count EFHW can you hammer already.

Nervous?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Request Vote Count EFHW can you hammer already.

Nervous?

Never

[EFHW]

vote: LL

[Calamitas]

Our vig should definitely shoot this night.

[EFHW]

Why was Jake pushing me to lynch when he wasn't even on the wagon?

[LaLight]

Wow, my first lynch. Gg, scum.

[schadd]

thread locked

[schadd]

Day 3 Final Vote Count

LaLight (5): Robz888, gkrieg13, Calamitas, JaketheBaseballGod22, EFHW
JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): 2.71828..., LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): Jimmmmm

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

[schadd]

many of us have had the experience of working hard at a problem for a long time, and finally solving it.

in the last few weeks, we spent a lot of time working at this problem. a lot of our machinery slowly wore away, pretty much all of us developed some sort of repetitive stress injury, and also we voluntarily killed a lot of innocent particles. but today, we finally trampled over a massive roadblock in our travels: the boring political stuff.

it's a really lame and uninteresting problem, and totally out of a lot of our areas of expertise. but with our social skills combined, we were able to resolve one of the most corrupt and frustrating issues faced by physics.

LaLight has been lynched! he was faulty incentives in academia, the mafia rolecop.

[schadd]

Night 3 starts.

Day 4 will start on Saturday, March 18th at 3pm forum time.

[schadd]

opening this early since i will be gone in 2 hours

come the third night of our journey, we were very happy to have overcome one of our obstacles. but come the morning, we learned something that any physics student learns after checking their arithmetic: following any victorious day is a calamitous night.


Calamitas has been killed in the night! he was a left-leaning quark, a vanilla townie.

Day 4 Starts.

[schadd]

Vote Count 4.µ₀

Not voting (6) JaketheBaseballGod22, 2.71828..., Jimmmmm, Robz888, gkrieg13, EFHW


With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 starts now and ends Monday, March 27 at 2pm forum time. thread unlocked.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ok there's one scum now lets get another Vote: Jimmmmm

[gkrieg13]

So they must be searching for a vig.

vote: Jimmmm

[gkrieg13]

Now we just need to find the third scum.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Now we just need to find the third scum.

I'd say 70% chance it's 2.71828 and 30% it's EFHW.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

What do you think of doing a massclaim here?

[gkrieg13]

What do you think of doing a massclaim here?

I think it's silly at this point, but I guess vig could claim. They are clearly caught at this point.

[Robz888]

Vote: Jimm, who is caught scum.

Going to be tough picking between EFHW and 2.7 for the third, though.

[Robz888]

Eh, unvote, actually. Do we want to end the day this quickly? This is likely the last chance all of us will have to talk about who the third scum might be.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Eh, unvote, actually. Do we want to end the day this quickly? This is likely the last chance all of us will have to talk about who the third scum might be.

We probably do because we can then see the nightkill. Jimmmmm knows he's alreday caught so were not going to get hints as too who it is. I'd also advise the vig to shoot one of 2.71828 or EFHW tonight because it narrows the lynch pool, has a chance to finish scum and makes tomorrow easier. Plus were at Mylo either way so it really doesn't have any negatives.

[Robz888]

Eh, unvote, actually. Do we want to end the day this quickly? This is likely the last chance all of us will have to talk about who the third scum might be.

We probably do because we can then see the nightkill. Jimmmmm knows he's alreday caught so were not going to get hints as too who it is. I'd also advise the vig to shoot one of 2.71828 or EFHW tonight because it narrows the lynch pool, has a chance to finish scum and makes tomorrow easier. Plus were at Mylo either way so it really doesn't have any negatives.

I agree with that, I just don't think the nightkill is actually going to provide very much additional info.

[Robz888]

Well, I guess we run the danger of helping out the third scum pick the best nightkill, if we all overshare at this point about who we think it is. Okay, back to Vote: Jimm

[2.71828.....]

I am uncomfortable with lynching jimmmmm

[gkrieg13]

I am uncomfortable with lynching jimmmmm

Why?

[2.71828.....]

I am uncomfortable with lynching jimmmmm

Why?

I am not convinced he is scum. But I need to do a reread knowing that LaLight is scum. It has been a busy night.

I also have other conspiracy theories

[2.71828.....]

And grow more and more convinced Jake is scum

[EFHW]

vote: Jimmmmm

[EFHW]

That's the hammer.

[EFHW]

I guess schadd might not be back for awhile.

[2.71828.....]

That was a quick day

[2.71828.....]

Still don't get why Jimmmmm is so obvious scum to so many people.

Of course, I didn't think LaLight was scum either

[2.71828.....]

If he is actually scum, which I hope he is

[schadd]

thread locked

[schadd]

oftentimes, when we have finished something quickly, we get the impression that we did something wrong.

Day 4 Final Vote Count

Jimmmmm (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, gkrieg13, Robz888, EFHW

Not voting (2): 2.71828..., Jimmmmm

With 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

[schadd]

Jimmmmm has been lynched! he was a left-leaning quark, a vanilla townie.

Night 4 starts.

Day 5 will start on Monday, March 20th at 7pm forum time.

[schadd]

ok, calling it. robz hasn't discussed the night actions but i don't believe they would have changed anything. scum knows who vig is


JaketheBaseballGod22 has been killed in the night! he was a left-leaning quark, a vanilla townie.


gkrieg13 has been endgamed! he was a left-leaning quark, a vanilla townie.
2.71828... has been endgamed! he was Robert Oppenheimer, the vigilante.


congratulations to our scum team! they were LaLight, as faulty incentives in academia, the rolecop; Robz888, as the possibility to accidentally blow everyone up, the backup jailkeeper; and EFHW, as action-at-a-distance, the goon.


MAFIA WINS!


mod qt
maff qt
mass spectrometer

[schadd]

atm i'm thinking EFHW MVP

[Witherweaver]

I told you guys Robz was scum.

[schadd]

she was pretty heavily townread, but at the same time robz was pushing lynches more, and he uh still didn't die. and i think all three equally good with discussing stuff/figuring out PRs

[schadd]

and neither are in want of a scum MVP. lalight is but he got lynched and stuff

[schadd]

also everyone hop into M97

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Wait what if the vig killed a scum over the night? Would that still be endgame then? Also GG, well played all around by the scum team.

[Witherweaver]

I think they just Jailkept the vig.

[schadd]

they just Jailkept the vig.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ah nvm then

[schadd]

uh jury's still out on whether the setup's good, i guess

[Witherweaver]

EFHW didn't every really get on my scum radar, so I guess that's one nod for the MVP thing.

[Jimmmmm]

What the hell Jake and gkrieg? That's the most ridiculous lynch thing I've seen.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

uh jury's still out on whether the setup's good, i guess

I liked it but maybe one more town Pr. The scum seemed a little overpowered compared to the amount of Scum powers there were. Espically as to scum being able to take out the town Pr's pretty quickly.

[Jimmmmm]

What the hell Jake and gkrieg? That's the most ridiculous lynch thing I've seen.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

What the hell Jake and gkrieg? That's the most ridiculous lynch thing I've seen.

The way you defended LL was so ridiculous I thought you were !conf Scum. The end of D3 was also sooooo ridiculous from you.

[Jimmmmm]

I have enough timezone issues as it is, and then you go and lynch me in my sleep, at mylo, without even giving me a chance to defend myself? And on what evidence? I unvoted one time at L-1, and I made a case against someone who had a "Townslip".

Also, Robz played both of you like a fiddle.

[Jimmmmm]

What the hell Jake and gkrieg? That's the most ridiculous lynch thing I've seen.

The way you defended LL was so ridiculous I thought you were !conf Scum. The end of D3 was also sooooo ridiculous from you.

How exactly did I defend LL? By unvoting?

[Jimmmmm]

I never defended LL apart from asking what the case on him was. I actually thought he was scummy for his "I'm Town this time" post, but I thought he was unlikely to be scum if Robz and gkrieg were.

[Jimmmmm]

But really, you never lynch someone without giving them a chance to speak (unless they're actually confirmed scum). It's so freaking disrespectful, especially when there's still an unclaiming PR out there. I could have been the Vig for all you knew. We should have No Lynched down to 5 and then had the Vig claim.

Can I at least get an apology?

[schadd]

sorry jimmmmm

[Witherweaver]

uh jury's still out on whether the setup's good, i guess

I liked it but maybe one more town Pr. The scum seemed a little overpowered compared to the amount of Scum powers there were. Espically as to scum being able to take out the town Pr's pretty quickly.

Well when you lynch all the town, it's pretty easy for scum to find PRs...

[Witherweaver]

I have enough timezone issues as it is, and then you go and lynch me in my sleep, at mylo, without even giving me a chance to defend myself? And on what evidence? I unvoted one time at L-1, and I made a case against someone who had a "Townslip".

Also, Robz played both of you like a fiddle.

I used to think "setting up mislynches" was one of those things people always say scum do but they never actually do, until this game.

[EFHW]

What the hell Jake and gkrieg? That's the most ridiculous lynch thing I've seen.

They did make the last day surprisingly easy. We were expecting to have to work a lot harder.

I would have waited for you to post, but I was scum, so ...

[Jimmmmm]

What the hell Jake and gkrieg? That's the most ridiculous lynch thing I've seen.

They did make the last day surprisingly easy. We were expecting to have to work a lot harder.

I would have waited for you to post, but I was scum, so ...

Nothing against you and Robz of course. I know neither of you would have done that as Town.

[Jimmmmm]

sorry jimmmmm

Thanks schadd.

[Robz888]

What the hell Jake and gkrieg? That's the most ridiculous lynch thing I've seen.

They did make the last day surprisingly easy. We were expecting to have to work a lot harder.

I would have waited for you to post, but I was scum, so ...

Nothing against you and Robz of course. I know neither of you would have done that as Town.

This is true, I would not have quicklynched you as town. This my fake waivering.

[Robz888]

she was pretty heavily townread, but at the same time robz was pushing lynches more, and he uh still didn't die. and i think all three equally good with discussing stuff/figuring out PRs

I'm fine with this, I generally don't care who wins MVP, and EFHW did a great job! Was very receptive to my suggestions, and made great ones of her own. She decided to switch the night kill from Jake to Calamitas last night, which was really key.

But, I feel like I have to at least toot my own horn a little bit, because I think this was one of my more perfect scum games. I'm really proud of the way I bussed LL on Day 3, which is something I almost never do. I was reeeeeally happy how I subtly guided Jimm and gkrieg into opposition with each other. I did it very carefully, fully cognizant of the fact that if I went hoo hard, both parties would realize what I was doing. But it worked, and I was somehow not really suspected at all this game. I never had a serious wagon against me, on any day. I'm not sure that's ever happened!

[Robz888]

I have enough timezone issues as it is, and then you go and lynch me in my sleep, at mylo, without even giving me a chance to defend myself? And on what evidence? I unvoted one time at L-1, and I made a case against someone who had a "Townslip".

Also, Robz played both of you like a fiddle.

I can totally understand Jimm being frustrated, but I think the town reason to do wha gkrieg and Jake did, is that they're certain you're scum and are lynching you, but if the day continues, they might have inadvertently tipped their hands about who they think the third scum is, and the third scum could make an informed nightkill based on that.

[Robz888]

Also, I'm not sure this setup is inbalanced. It feels like it is, but, the Vig made a supoptimal shot on Hight 1, and based on that, we were basically able to take the Vig totally out of play. Because there were very few people who actually would have shot Eevee. So we took that PR out of commission for in-game reasons, not imbalance reasons.

And also, scum lucked out finding the JK so easily.

[Robz888]

We guessed the Vig correctly on Night 2, and blocked him henceforth. That's pretty darn impressive, I think.

Sorry, don't mean to be gloating. I'm just super pumped about this win. We fought hard for it, especially on Day 3. Great job team!

[gkrieg13]

Sorry Jimmmm, I really was 100% sure you were scum. The way you unvoted LaLight for me was just something that made me sure you were scum.

Well played scum!  I was on to Robz, but didn't really see EFHW as scum.

Also my tactic of making sure people understood I was super townie so we could get on to discussing who was scum definitely didn't work... 

I voted quickly because I really didn't think there was any way for Jimmmmm to not be scum.

[gkrieg13]

Also, I'm not sure this setup is inbalanced. It feels like it is, but, the Vig made a supoptimal shot on Hight 1, and based on that, we were basically able to take the Vig totally out of play. Because there were very few people who actually would have shot Eevee. So we took that PR out of commission for in-game reasons, not imbalance reasons.

And also, scum lucked out finding the JK so easily.

I would say the setup is balanced, but super swingy. The fact that scum got a JK night 1 and town essentially lost their PRs made it hard from the beginning. I generally don't like swingy setups, and I think this reaffirms that

[EFHW]

Thanks for the game, schadd. I liked the physics flavor!

[Calamitas]

Why didn't you kill e?

[Jimmmmm]

she was pretty heavily townread, but at the same time robz was pushing lynches more, and he uh still didn't die. and i think all three equally good with discussing stuff/figuring out PRs

I'm fine with this, I generally don't care who wins MVP, and EFHW did a great job! Was very receptive to my suggestions, and made great ones of her own. She decided to switch the night kill from Jake to Calamitas last night, which was really key.

But, I feel like I have to at least toot my own horn a little bit, because I think this was one of my more perfect scum games. I'm really proud of the way I bussed LL on Day 3, which is something I almost never do. I was reeeeeally happy how I subtly guided Jimm and gkrieg into opposition with each other. I did it very carefully, fully cognizant of the fact that if I went hoo hard, both parties would realize what I was doing. But it worked, and I was somehow not really suspected at all this game. I never had a serious wagon against me, on any day. I'm not sure that's ever happened!

I agree you did super well and you'd probably be my candidate for MVP. However I think I did come to suspect gkrieg on my own, and was beginning to suspect you more and more as the game went on.

[Jimmmmm]

I voted quickly because I really didn't think there was any way for Jimmmmm to not be scum.

I still don't really get why you and Jake were so sure I was scum. Was it just the unvoting LL thing? What else would you do when someone you're not sure you want to lynch gets to L-1?

[Calamitas]

Why didn't you kill e?

Never mind.

[LaLight]

Finally gazillion games i was scum in ended. This is truly hard and very frustrating being scum! I am sorry, team that i was so scummy i got a lynch, but you've made an impressive job. Thanks for the game!

gkrieg, may you tell me, how are you always know i am scum in every game?

[EFHW]

Finally gazillion games i was scum in ended. This is truly hard and very frustrating being scum! I am sorry, team that i was so scummy i got a lynch, but you've made an impressive job. Thanks for the game!

gkrieg, may you tell me, how are you always know i am scum in every game?

Even though you were scummy, it still helped us because it allowed Robz and I to get in good positions as "town".

[Robz888]

Why didn't you kill e?

We had to jail him.

[Calamitas]

Why didn't you kill e?

We had to jail him.

Yeah, realized that a few moments after I asked

[schadd]

she was pretty heavily townread, but at the same time robz was pushing lynches more, and he uh still didn't die. and i think all three equally good with discussing stuff/figuring out PRs

I'm fine with this, I generally don't care who wins MVP, and EFHW did a great job! Was very receptive to my suggestions, and made great ones of her own. She decided to switch the night kill from Jake to Calamitas last night, which was really key.

But, I feel like I have to at least toot my own horn a little bit, because I think this was one of my more perfect scum games. I'm really proud of the way I bussed LL on Day 3, which is something I almost never do. I was reeeeeally happy how I subtly guided Jimm and gkrieg into opposition with each other. I did it very carefully, fully cognizant of the fact that if I went hoo hard, both parties would realize what I was doing. But it worked, and I was somehow not really suspected at all this game. I never had a serious wagon against me, on any day. I'm not sure that's ever happened!

i think you're just trying to confuse me with your eloquence

[schadd]

after looking at a few things, though,


Robz888 is this game's MVP!

[gkrieg13]

Finally gazillion games i was scum in ended. This is truly hard and very frustrating being scum! I am sorry, team that i was so scummy i got a lynch, but you've made an impressive job. Thanks for the game!

gkrieg, may you tell me, how are you always know i am scum in every game?

I'll never tell!

[2.71828.....]

Good game everyone. My vig targets were way off until the very last night when it didn't matter, but still had a good time with this game.

[Robz888]

LaLight, it's very hard to be scum in a bunch of different games at once. You put up a really good fight here, it still took forever to actually lynch you.

[Eevee]

Gg scum. Getting vigged sucks!

[Calamitas]

Would you have counterclaimed if we would have just started the day with a "Who is the vig?"?

[Robz888]

Would you have counterclaimed if we would have just started the day with a "Who is the vig?"?

If you read our QT, I strongly urged EFHW to counterclaim E if it came to that. I couldn't do it, there's no way anyone would believe I vigged Eevee on Night 1.

Claiming would have definitely complicated matters, because it would have put a lot of sudden, unwanted attention of EFHW, regardless of how things went down.

[Calamitas]

Would you have counterclaimed if we would have just started the day with a "Who is the vig?"?

If you read our QT, I strongly urged EFHW to counterclaim E if it came to that. I couldn't do it, there's no way anyone would believe I vigged Eevee on Night 1.

Claiming would have definitely complicated matters, because it would have put a lot of sudden, unwanted attention of EFHW, regardless of how things went down.

Damn, we would have had a good shot at winning if you would have killed Jake then

I think I would have urged the vig to claim. After the counterclaim we could have no-lynched to force scum to kill. Scum cannot kill the vig because the vig targets the counterclaimant every single night and is forced to kill someone out of the other group. Town then lynches among the non-vigs and we have a 1/3 chance of hitting the JK to win the game.

[Dylan32]

Quote from me in the Speccy March 12:

"I really hope Robz is scum, because then I can recover some of my self-esteem about reading people that I've dumped the last several games I've been in haha."

I feel significantly better now.  Also gkrieg, can you please move me to your "hard to read and not always towny sounding as town" bucket please? This was 2 out of the last 3 games where you were convinced I was scum incorrectly.

[gkrieg13]

Quote from me in the Speccy March 12:

"I really hope Robz is scum, because then I can recover some of my self-esteem about reading people that I've dumped the last several games I've been in haha."

I feel significantly better now.  Also gkrieg, can you please move me to your "hard to read and not always towny sounding as town" bucket please? This was 2 out of the last 3 games where you were convinced I was scum incorrectly.

Well you might be scum next game though!  For some reason you always sound scummier to me than your first town game and so I guess I just always think you're scum.

[Dylan32]

Quote from me in the Speccy March 12:

"I really hope Robz is scum, because then I can recover some of my self-esteem about reading people that I've dumped the last several games I've been in haha."

I feel significantly better now.  Also gkrieg, can you please move me to your "hard to read and not always towny sounding as town" bucket please? This was 2 out of the last 3 games where you were convinced I was scum incorrectly.

Well you might be scum next game though!  For some reason you always sound scummier to me than your first town game and so I guess I just always think you're scum.

My first town game was my very first game, so I was being really careful and thoughtful because I wanted to make sure I looked like town so I didn't get mislynched. Guess what happened! I drew the N1 kill for I guess looking too towny. Now that I'm comfortable, this is pretty much going to be how I play with a little bit of normal variation. I have several other town games on record now, so use those rather than that first one.

[Dylan32]

Quote from me in the Speccy March 12:

"I really hope Robz is scum, because then I can recover some of my self-esteem about reading people that I've dumped the last several games I've been in haha."

I feel significantly better now.  Also gkrieg, can you please move me to your "hard to read and not always towny sounding as town" bucket please? This was 2 out of the last 3 games where you were convinced I was scum incorrectly.

Well you might be scum next game though!  For some reason you always sound scummier to me than your first town game and so I guess I just always think you're scum.

My first town game was my very first game, so I was being really careful and thoughtful because I wanted to make sure I looked like town so I didn't get mislynched. Guess what happened! I drew the N1 kill for I guess looking too towny. Now that I'm comfortable, this is pretty much going to be how I play with a little bit of normal variation. I have several other town games on record now, so use those rather than that first one.

I will be trying to actually present cases without sounding like complete scum, but for now, this is what I am.