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[Eevee]

I too have no idea what that's about, makes it hard to participate in this particular branch of discussion.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Request prods on everyone who needs them.

I think that's:
Dylan
Harbinger
Gkrieg
Calamitas

[UmbrageOfSnow]

There's really not much to discuss.  I misread something, made a read off it, then it was pointed out I'd misread something.

I really don't think there's anything insightful to be said, but go find it for yourselves.  It's been quoted a few times I think.

The fewer things we talk about, the closer to random the Day 1 lynch is and the less information there is to be had later.

[Dylan32]

I'm here. I went home for the day and am pretty LA. I'll be able to contribute more content tomorrow.

[Eevee]

Abstract theory thought: Which type of a player makes the best day 1 lynch?

Perhaps players who intentionally muddy up their playstyle as town to do better as scum?

Conversely, someone whose behavior is generally more revealing about their alignment ("possible to read?") would be good to keep alive, since there'd be more information on them available later.

[gkrieg13]

Just have been busy with stuff.  Sundays are usually when I do all of my catching up.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Abstract theory thought: Which type of a player makes the best day 1 lynch?

Perhaps players who intentionally muddy up their playstyle as town to do better as scum?

Conversely, someone whose behavior is generally more revealing about their alignment ("possible to read?") would be good to keep alive, since there'd be more information on them available later.

So who would that most make you want to lynch in this game?

I don't think we're committed to having to do a very low information Day 1 lynch unless we continue to mostly refuse to contribute, but I essentially agree with your reasoning.

[schadd]

prods sent to harbinger and Calamitas

[Calamitas]

Prod received, don't really know what to say here. Reread is in order.

[Roadrunner7671]

I probably should've been prodded, but similar to Calamitas, I have nothing to say

[Eevee]

I think an unconventional takeaway might be that some of the best players should be lynched more often day 1, as they'd be harder to figure out and and more capable of misleading the town later if they had rolled scum.

[2.71828.....]

It has been slow. Probably should have posted in v/la, went on a trip up to Seattle for a night. Back home the rest of the weekend, should have some more time.

[Eevee]

Vote: LaLight

[Dylan32]

Vote: LaLight

I'll buy that. Vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

[Robz888]

I think an unconventional takeaway might be that some of the best players should be lynched more often day 1, as they'd be harder to figure out and and more capable of misleading the town later if they had rolled scum.

I do not generally agree with this approach. Not all "good" players are equally good at being scum as they are at being town. I think it's possible that it's better to lynch people on Day 1 who are just hard to read in general. In this game, that's probably going to be UoS and harbinger, since I've never played with the latter and I haven't played with the former in ages and ages. I don't like to lynch true newbies on Day 1, though.

WW is also sort of hard to read, I guess, in my opinion.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

Only scum worry about votes with no case.

Vote: Lalight

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.4

Jimmmmm (1): 2.71828...
UmbrageOfSnow (1): Jimmmmm
Calamitas (2): LaLight, Roadrunner7671
Dylan32 (2): harbinger, gkrieg13
LaLight (4): UmbrageOfSnow, Eevee, Dylan32, Witherweaver

Not voting (2): Calamitas, Robz888

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in 3 days and 6 hours.

[Jimmmmm]

Mm, Day 1 is hard, and it's especially hard to get a good lynch.

In my experience, the Day 1 lynchee is often someone who draws a lot of attention to themself, whereas scum tend to be able to avoid drawing attention to themselves on Day 1, which I think in part is why it's so rare to lynch correctly this early.

Of course, any policy such as lynching good players or new players or whatever is bad and unhelpful, as it allows people to vote without giving an actual reason.

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

Only scum worry about votes with no case.

Vote: Lalight

Erm, no? I always worry about it.
I don't like how quickly my wagon is growing. I am ready to say there's scum on it. vote: Dylan32

[gkrieg13]

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

Only scum worry about votes with no case.

Vote: Lalight

Erm, no? I always worry about it.
I don't like how quickly my wagon is growing. I am ready to say there's scum on it. vote: Dylan32

What about his vote was scummy?

[Jimmmmm]

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

[gkrieg13]

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

I think his emotion was off on that post I mentioned earlier, and I think this weird sheep vote is also out of character for him.

[Calamitas]

Okay so about the setup.

We have a Jailkeeper who I'm sure is smart enough to figure out how to use their power and we need not talk about it.
We have a Vig who as we know should not shoot until at least the mid-late game.
And we have a Named Townie who has dreams of catching scum but will probably never happen.

Scum have a Rolecop which should help them PR-hunt quite a bit.
If they get a JK, it may be helpful for them given the PoE they will have already been doing.

Ultimately the best thing we have going for us setup-wise is the possibility of blocking a scum kill. As I said, this doesn't really need to be talked about any further, so for now we should pretty much treat it like a vanilla game and focus on scumhunting.

Just saw this and I'm not sure about the "vig-not-shooting" part. We are an even number of people so shooting should be at least worth consideration. I think the extra info on D2 would definitely be useful and I don't think the potential benefit in regard to odds by waiting until the night before MyLo is worth the risk of having a town-controlled kill less. So overall I think the vig should shoot here.