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[faust]

Why does the SK want to make the mafia think he is the Traitor? The mafia can recruit the traitor in this setup, yes? The SK doesn't want to convince the mafia to shoot him.

Maybe I'm missing something, you've clearly thought about this way more than I have, which, again, speaks volumes.

Most of those volumes are about differences in our character, I guess.

I think M84 (BSG) is the only game I've seen a traitor in before. That was a closed set-up (plus gkrieg vigged him on N1 anyway) so there was no real traitor-related set-up discussion. I hadn't actually twigged that conversion was a thing for this game, which may sound odd, but that key sentence is hidden as the second sentence on a bullet-point two thirds of the way down the mechanics words. In all my prior werewolf experience, we had a really common role called "dark villager", so I assumed "traitor" was a bit like that: a "townie" on the scum side. So my analysis works really well for that, but not so well if the traitor has the chance of becoming a scum themself. Urgh.

Wait, you are now claiming you did not know that the mafia can recruit the Traitor?

Looks like. I buy it.

vote: gkrieg again I guess.

[LaLight]

vote: schadd quickjumping on wagon and nothing really contributed.

[Robz888]

Why does the SK want to make the mafia think he is the Traitor? The mafia can recruit the traitor in this setup, yes? The SK doesn't want to convince the mafia to shoot him.

Maybe I'm missing something, you've clearly thought about this way more than I have, which, again, speaks volumes.

Most of those volumes are about differences in our character, I guess.

I think M84 (BSG) is the only game I've seen a traitor in before. That was a closed set-up (plus gkrieg vigged him on N1 anyway) so there was no real traitor-related set-up discussion. I hadn't actually twigged that conversion was a thing for this game, which may sound odd, but that key sentence is hidden as the second sentence on a bullet-point two thirds of the way down the mechanics words. In all my prior werewolf experience, we had a really common role called "dark villager", so I assumed "traitor" was a bit like that: a "townie" on the scum side. So my analysis works really well for that, but not so well if the traitor has the chance of becoming a scum themself. Urgh.

Wait, you are now claiming you did not know that the mafia can recruit the Traitor?

Looks like. I buy it.

vote: gkrieg again I guess.

It would be easier for me to buy it if Space hadn't done so much setup analyzing. But I guess setup analyzing + occasionally overlooking big things, that's a thing. (See Calamitas in Mafia 90, re: the switch.)

[gkrieg13]

I know that town!gkrieg is worried about being lynched D1, so why open with a post that would make him look scummy?

I'm only partially concerned. I'm in so many games now that the concern has lessened pretty significantly.

[gkrieg13]

I know that town!gkrieg is worried about being lynched D1, so why open with a post that would make him look scummy?

What do you think of my theory that when good players do unexpected, arguably anti-town things, especially day 1, they are usually town, because as scum they'd be more careful not to do them?

Isn't scum!gkrieg even more likely to not want to look scummy? People put way more thought into their scum games, in my experience, although this is general, not some assumption or read on gkrieg specifically.

Usually I would agree, but what confuses me here is that gkrieg apparently still thinks his post was a good idea.

Well I will admit that I didn't think it through for that long. Obviously it didn't work how I thought it would so I don't think it was the best idea, but I don't think it was a mistake either.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Awaclus

I think his is the scummiest vote on SA

[LaLight]

vote: Awaclus

I think his is the scummiest vote on SA

I was thinking between him and schadd. But iirc Awaclus sometimes votes without any explanation given as either alignment. Schadd's more strange one.

[Eevee]

Vote: Awaclus

[faust]

Vote: Eevee

[Calamitas]

Sorry for being off so long, but I agree totally with SA here.
First, theorizing is no more a scum tell for them than for me.
Secondly, their conclusions are pretty good. Besides from them being no more likely to miss the recruiting part as scum than as town (of anything it's vice versa) thay doesn't matter here. Traitors would be converted anyways at the end, so shooting is not that much off an issue here I think.

[LaLight]

Vote: Eevee

I see the reasoning but really? Too easy

[faust]

Vote: Eevee

I see the reasoning but really? Too easy

How did you manage to see the reasoning when I put it in invisible font? 

[Eevee]

Reasons for my vote:

I want to have my vote somewhere and encourage Awaclus to post something that makes me change to someone else. (I'm such a motivator, I know.)

[gkrieg13]

Vote: Eevee

I see the reasoning but really? Too easy

How did you manage to see the reasoning when I put it in invisible font? 

mod mod mod!!!

[LaLight]

Vote: Eevee

I see the reasoning but really? Too easy

How did you manage to see the reasoning when I put it in invisible font? 

Everything becomes visible when you highlight it

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[faust]

Reasons for my vote:

I want to have my vote somewhere and encourage Awaclus to post something that makes me change to someone else. (I'm such a motivator, I know.)

Lies; there is no motivator in the setup.

[Awaclus]

vote: Awaclus

I think his is the scummiest vote on SA

I was thinking between him and schadd. But iirc Awaclus sometimes votes without any explanation given as either alignment. Schadd's more strange one.

Sometimes? More like almost always.

Reasons for my vote:

I want to have my vote somewhere and encourage Awaclus to post something that makes me change to someone else. (I'm such a motivator, I know.)

I'm town and I have a reason to vote for SpaceA.

[SpaceAnemone]

Reasons for my vote:

I want to have my vote somewhere and encourage Awaclus to post something that makes me change to someone else. (I'm such a motivator, I know.)

Vote: Roadrunner

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: SA

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: SA

Wow, that worked fast! :-) What are your feelings about all the things that have been said in the game so far?

[Robz888]

Vote: SA

This is, what, your first contribution all game? It's not much. Do better please. I mean, even saying whether you're voting for Space for the reason I'm voting for Space, would be helpful (if that's what it is).

[Ichimaru Gin]

Here for a sec. Things are moving fast!
Likely won't be able to post until tonight.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: SA

Wow, that worked fast! :-) What are your feelings about all the things that have been said in the game so far?

I really think the only notable thing was gkrieg's traitor thing, and I honestly think talk on that is scummy. Scum would try to inquire more as to whether or not gkreig was trying to softclaim traitor, because then he'd be able to sneak more crumbs into more posts that he'd make about traitors.

[faust]

Vote: SA

Wow, that worked fast! :-) What are your feelings about all the things that have been said in the game so far?

I really think the only notable thing was gkrieg's traitor thing, and I honestly think talk on that is scummy. Scum would try to inquire more as to whether or not gkreig was trying to softclaim traitor, because then he'd be able to sneak more crumbs into more posts that he'd make about traitors.

It doesn't work that way.

If you think that gkrieg is a Traitor, you should vote for him, you know.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: SA

Wow, that worked fast! :-) What are your feelings about all the things that have been said in the game so far?

I really think the only notable thing was gkrieg's traitor thing, and I honestly think talk on that is scummy. Scum would try to inquire more as to whether or not gkreig was trying to softclaim traitor, because then he'd be able to sneak more crumbs into more posts that he'd make about traitors.

It doesn't work that way.

If you think that gkrieg is a Traitor, you should vote for him, you know.

I don't really think he's the traitor. I'm saying scum would want to talk about the traitor because that gives the actual traitor more of a chance to bread crumb.