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[faust]

Something can be equal for different reasons. I am not saying they are identical. Two bags can be equally heavy full of rocks or coins.

vote: RR, if we get more Jake votes I'll go back there.

A better vote I think.
RR is being deliberately unhelpful this game, Jake has actually done some reads and that.

RR has been super more helpful than Jake.

Can you point me to a single helpful RR post?
Really going now.

[Joseph2302]

Something can be equal for different reasons. I am not saying they are identical. Two bags can be equally heavy full of rocks or coins.

vote: RR, if we get more Jake votes I'll go back there.

A better vote I think.
RR is being deliberately unhelpful this game, Jake has actually done some reads and that.

RR has been super more helpful than Jake.

Show me somewhere RR did something actually useful.....

PPE: 1

[Awaclus]

Can you point me to a single helpful RR post?
Really going now.

Show me somewhere RR did something actually useful.....

PPE: 1

Why don't you ask RR to do that himself? I'm not going to defend anyone.

[schadd]

Vote Count 2.10

faust (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, EFHW
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
Roadrunner7671 (4): faust, JaketheBaseballGod22, Joseph2302, The_Wine_Merchant


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Jan. 16th at 12pm forum time, which is in an hour and a half

[Awaclus]

Vote Count 2.10

faust (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
JaketheBaseballGod22 (4): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, EFHW
EFHW (1): gkrieg13
Roadrunner7671 (3): faust, JaketheBaseballGod22, Joseph2302, The_Wine_Merchant


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Jan. 16th at 12pm forum time, which is in an hour and a half

I think that's 3 votes for Jake and 4 for RR.

[schadd]

no u

[mcmcsalot]

Don't like Jake's most recent posts though. Mcmcsalot and Joseph, would you two go for Jake?

No, would you go for awa?

Only as a last resort.
And probably not to Awaclus- why would he claim 1-shot RB as a fake claim?

PPE: All since my last post

Because it's not a role that requires him to give a night result over and over again, he has reason to not claim if he has used it at all. The fact that it requires the presence of a roleblocker isn't a huge problem. Any number of B roles means there is a roleblocker that would believe his claim thus supporting him which is helpful for scum. Also if there isn't a roleblocker in the setup thats not going to be known to us until a massclaim. As far as scum being forced to claim day 1 I don't think it's a terrible claim, it's also a pr versus vt so we are less likely to actually lynch him.

It sounds like the main reason to lynch him is his claim. That just isn't a good reason to lynch someone I think. I don't know maybe it is for awaclus, cause he doesn't give a lot that can be read. But it seems as if the reason people want to lynch him is to find out if his role claim is real, not because he is actually being scummy or not being townie.

There are better options right now and they are jake and RR

This is not the main reason at all! This is why this game is crap, no one is remembering cases that were made more than two pages ago. (Also a reason I want to lynch Faust his insane post count and calling out of people every second he can saying we need to post more when really we need to remember what has been said in the past)

The case on awa is the whole stuff about soft claiming ub and how he reacted to robz after which got him to l-1 yesterday as well as his lurky behavior as well as him saying as a claim pr he planned on letting others make cases and just commenting today because that helps town more(it doesn't and was a scummy defense for his lurking)

Also

I could make a case against you if I wanted though. I just think it's better to not make any cases at this point since it's so early in the game, it's better to get further information by seeing how people react to caseless votes.

Is another super scummy response to why he's not making cases.

Also Faust saying we should definitely roleblocker claim tomorrow I don't love because if the roleblocker disagrees how are we to know and if a roleblocker does claim, it could be scum saving a partner and we wouldn't know till potentially too late(though I think that's unlikely) also if a roleblocker claim it doesn't mean awa is guaranteed to be telling the truth, it really just outs another pr.

Jeez can we lync Faust or awa...will lynch rr over Jake for sure though

[Roadrunner7671]

Jake, can you please be more specific as to why you're voting for me?

I guess not

[Roadrunner7671]

Here's something I don't understand: If I was scum, why wouldn't I contribute? What's stopping me from slapping together some reads, voting a few times and calling it a day? There's no scum narrative for being 'blatantly unhelpful,' which is what you guys think I'm being.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

@TWM, Jake doesn't respond to feedback. But he's an informative lynch and a major disruption to the game and maybe scum partners with gkrieg, so that's why I am voting him. Scum purposely try to keep him around when he is town.

EFHW is looking ok. Can we make that happen?

vote: EFHW

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Nah.

I like RR more still. There is a perfectly good narrative RR, we outlined it a few pages ago.

vote: RR

[Roadrunner7671]

Nah.

I like RR more still. There is a perfectly good narrative RR, we outlined it a few pages ago.

vote: RR

Alright, I'll look  for it

[The_Wine_Merchant]

This:

I like that TWM has become a RR expert in about 5 minutes. Sorry for 'being lying and manipulative,' that sounds exactly like something I'd do when trying to apologize.

Well I don't think you purposely lied and manipulated at the time of writing the post. But rather, as you went back and tried to contributed you realized it was harder to live up to that expectation and ended up lying and manipulating after the fact.

[Awaclus]

The case on awa is the whole stuff about soft claiming ub and how he reacted to robz after which got him to l-1 yesterday as well as his lurky behavior as well as him saying as a claim pr he planned on letting others make cases and just commenting today because that helps town more(it doesn't and was a scummy defense for his lurking)

I didn't softclaim UB, I was in another game that required most of my attention, it is definitely true that an IC (which I'm probably going to be after mass claim) should not give away too many of his reads and I never said that I'm letting others make cases — I think it is totally unnecessary for anyone to make cases today.

Is another super scummy response to why he's not making cases.

No it isn't.

Jeez can we lync Faust or awa...will lynch rr over Jake for sure though

No.

[Roadrunner7671]

Um, let's not lynch Jake. That wagon is Scumminess Inc.

Scum wouldn't want to lynch Jake.

Why not? Please don't give me the "because he's scum" crap.

Scum wouldn't want to lynch Jake because he clutters the thread and can be pretty easily swayed by a case.

[Roadrunner7671]

This:

I like that TWM has become a RR expert in about 5 minutes. Sorry for 'being lying and manipulative,' that sounds exactly like something I'd do when trying to apologize.

Well I don't think you purposely lied and manipulated at the time of writing the post. But rather, as you went back and tried to contributed you realized it was harder to live up to that expectation and ended up lying and manipulating after the fact.

THat's true though! But as scum, it wouldn't be hard, because nothing would be genuine. I could make up whatever I wanted and as long as I stayed consitant I'd be good. There have been rereads/cases against most everyone in the game, as scum I could've just piggybacked on one of those. But as town, it's in your best interest to be honest and genuine. And this has made reads and such difficult for me, because I obviously don't want to lie about my reads.

[Joseph2302]

Um, let's not lynch Jake. That wagon is Scumminess Inc.

Scum wouldn't want to lynch Jake.

Why not? Please don't give me the "because he's scum" crap.

Scum wouldn't want to lynch Jake because he clutters the thread and can be pretty easily swayed by a case.

Jake and RR have both cluttered this thread D2.
But Jake has actually made some sensible, well considered (albeit I don't agree with them) reads.

On the other hand, you've done nothing. Your only vote this game has been Jake.

[EFHW]

Something can be equal for different reasons. I am not saying they are identical. Two bags can be equally heavy full of rocks or coins.

vote: RR, if we get more Jake votes I'll go back there.

A better vote I think.
RR is being deliberately unhelpful this game, Jake has actually done some reads and that.

RR has been super more helpful than Jake.

Can you point me to a single helpful RR post?
Really going now.

He pointed out 4 different ways that Jake's 3 person plan was a problem. His interventions with Jake have been to illogical and contradictory things Jake has said.  RoadRunner is being RailRoaded.

[EFHW]

@TWM, Jake doesn't respond to feedback. But he's an informative lynch and a major disruption to the game and maybe scum partners with gkrieg, so that's why I am voting him. Scum purposely try to keep him around when he is town.

EFHW is looking ok. Can we make that happen?

vote: EFHW

I'll even self-vote for the first time ever, hoping some people will take another look at what I've said once they know I wasn't lying or trying to manipulate.

[EFHW]

I'm a really informative lynch.  vote: EFHW

[Awaclus]

No you're not. Let's lynch Jake.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote: Awa can we make this happen because I thought he was scummy before but this deadline awa has been ridiculous. Also we have Joseph and cases of the 1% chance awa is his claim.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Vote: Awa can we make this happen because I thought he was scummy before but this deadline awa has been ridiculous. Also we have Joseph and cases of the 1% chance awa is his claim.

and I am back to vote: Jake

[faust]

Can you point me to a single helpful RR post?
Really going now.

Show me somewhere RR did something actually useful.....

PPE: 1

Why don't you ask RR to do that himself? I'm not going to defend anyone.

Because he's not the one claiming that he was helpful.

[EFHW]

fine, vote: Jake