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[The_Wine_Merchant]

And vote: Robz again.

I cannot imagine this sentiment (lynching a claimed UB without counterclaim) coming from town!Robz unless he is UB or Mason.

I'll get behind that. vote: robz

[The_Wine_Merchant]

And vote: Robz again.

I cannot imagine this sentiment (lynching a claimed UB without counterclaim) coming from town!Robz unless he is UB or Mason.

I agree, but I still not see a narrative that makes sense for robz. If he is actually a UB he is going to get killed due to his behavior anyways, in that regard it's identical to a claim. If we actually lynch Joseph and he flips town, robz is going to be under heaviest suspicion. Neither scum!robz nor non-mason/UB!robz would want that.

Can you re-explain this? I thought I understood what you were getting at, but I got lost toward the end.

[Calamitas]

And vote: Robz again.

I cannot imagine this sentiment (lynching a claimed UB without counterclaim) coming from town!Robz unless he is UB or Mason.

I agree, but I still not see a narrative that makes sense for robz. If he is actually a UB he is going to get killed due to his behavior anyways, in that regard it's identical to a claim. If we actually lynch Joseph and he flips town, robz is going to be under heaviest suspicion. Neither scum!robz nor non-mason/UB!robz would want that.

Can you re-explain this? I thought I understood what you were getting at, but I got lost toward the end.

Well, I think robz behaviour doesn't make sense in either case.
If robz is the UB his behaviour will draw him the NK probably, so it doesn't do much good in comparison to outright claiming.
if robz is scum and wants to get Joseph lynched to get rid of a PR, he will draw heavy suspicion on himself.
If robz is town (not UB and not mason) he risks getting a PR lynched and heavy suspicion the day after (laying the groundwork for two misslynches) which he cannot want either.

[EFHW]

And vote: Robz again.

I cannot imagine this sentiment (lynching a claimed UB without counterclaim) coming from town!Robz unless he is UB or Mason.

I agree, but I still not see a narrative that makes sense for robz. If he is actually a UB he is going to get killed due to his behavior anyways, in that regard it's identical to a claim. If we actually lynch Joseph and he flips town, robz is going to be under heaviest suspicion. Neither scum!robz nor non-mason/UB!robz would want that.

Scum!Robz would expect to be able to talk his way out of being lynched Day 2, since he's done so before.  So I don't think this argument holds in this case.

vote: Robz

[mcmcsalot]

A few pages behind but far enough to have read the claim and unvote sorry for not posting, I promise to catch up and be active before we get super close to deadline, I was hoping this game would start much later than it did.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Robz

Haven't paid attention to vote counts

[Awaclus]

Vote: Robz

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Thanks Calamitas. I understood it correctly then, but it was nice to get a clarification. So in the case of none of them having a great narrative, which one is the most likely?

I think that is 4 voting for Robz: faust, TWM, EFHW, gkrieg

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Make that five.

[Robz888]

Okay. I thought it was pretty clear that Awaclus was secretly soft-claiming UB--that was the purpose of my exchange with him earlier. That's why I kept my vote on Joseph.

Since Awaclus is voting for me, it seems that's not the case.

Vote: Awaclus for the false implication.

[Awaclus]

Okay. I thought it was pretty clear that Awaclus was secretly soft-claiming UB--that was the purpose of my exchange with him earlier. That's why I kept my vote on Joseph.

Since Awaclus is voting for me, it seems that's not the case.

Vote: Awaclus for the false implication.

I thought you were secretly soft-claiming UB! That's why I voted for you because it started to look like it would be better to have you claim after all.

[Robz888]

Read Replies number 342 through 354.

[Robz888]

Okay. I thought it was pretty clear that Awaclus was secretly soft-claiming UB--that was the purpose of my exchange with him earlier. That's why I kept my vote on Joseph.

Since Awaclus is voting for me, it seems that's not the case.

Vote: Awaclus for the false implication.

I thought you were secretly soft-claiming UB! That's why I voted for you because it started to look like it would be better to have you claim after all.

Liar liar liar. You were the one doing that. I said definitively we should lynch him in lieu of a counterclaim, and then you raised the possibility that maybe the real UB was keeping quiet.

[Awaclus]

Liar liar liar. You were the one doing that. I said definitively we should lynch him in lieu of a counterclaim, and then you raised the possibility that maybe the real UB was keeping quiet.

I didn't pay enough attention to keep track of who had already posted after Joseph's claim, I just wanted to keep the possibility open for the real UB to keep quiet in case it was a fakeclaim. Then it looked like you were hopping onto that opportunity so I figured you must be the real UB.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Read Replies number 342 through 354.

This is post 338

That depends. If we're sure that Joseph is scum, we can lynch him regardless of his claim, so that the town UB doesn't have to claim.

This is post 342

There's only one UB, claiming it would be terrible scum play. It means Joseph is telling the truth (unless he royally screwed up and gets counterclaimed).

This is post 354

You know, I think there's a good chance Joseph thought he was going down anyway and just wanted to out the UB. Let's not give him the luxury of that. Vote: Joseph

[EFHW]

It seemed to me that Robz did think Awaclus was soft-claiming, because he asked if Awaclus was staying on Joseph. The problem is the similarity of his arguments here with his arguments in past games in which he got PRs mislynched.

[EFHW]

Liar liar liar. You were the one doing that. I said definitively we should lynch him in lieu of a counterclaim, and then you raised the possibility that maybe the real UB was keeping quiet.

I didn't pay enough attention to keep track of who had already posted after Joseph's claim, I just wanted to keep the possibility open for the real UB to keep quiet in case it was a fakeclaim. Then it looked like you were hopping onto that opportunity so I figured you must be the real UB.

Robz's unvote and comments right after the claim seemed to me like he was not the UB himself.

I don't like the way he called Awaclus a liar.  Both because it's unfair and because I can read it as towny or scummy.

[EFHW]

Okay. I thought it was pretty clear that Awaclus was secretly soft-claiming UB--that was the purpose of my exchange with him earlier. That's why I kept my vote on Joseph.

Since Awaclus is voting for me, it seems that's not the case.

Vote: Awaclus for the false implication.

I thought you were secretly soft-claiming UB! That's why I voted for you because it started to look like it would be better to have you claim after all.

Liar liar liar. You were the one doing that. I said definitively we should lynch him in lieu of a counterclaim, and then you raised the possibility that maybe the real UB was keeping quiet.

Should or should not?

[Awaclus]

Read Replies number 342 through 354.

This is post 338

That depends. If we're sure that Joseph is scum, we can lynch him regardless of his claim, so that the town UB doesn't have to claim.

This is post 342

There's only one UB, claiming it would be terrible scum play. It means Joseph is telling the truth (unless he royally screwed up and gets counterclaimed).

This is post 354

You know, I think there's a good chance Joseph thought he was going down anyway and just wanted to out the UB. Let's not give him the luxury of that. Vote: Joseph

Like I said, I wasn't paying attention.

[Awaclus]

Also I didn't read replies number 342 through 354 when Robz told me to read them.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Read Replies number 342 through 354.

This is post 338

That depends. If we're sure that Joseph is scum, we can lynch him regardless of his claim, so that the town UB doesn't have to claim.

This is post 342

There's only one UB, claiming it would be terrible scum play. It means Joseph is telling the truth (unless he royally screwed up and gets counterclaimed).

This is post 354

You know, I think there's a good chance Joseph thought he was going down anyway and just wanted to out the UB. Let's not give him the luxury of that. Vote: Joseph

Like I said, I wasn't paying attention.

I meant that you had posted your 338 before Robz brought it up in 342. 338 was outside the scope of what Robz was referring to, but was still relevant.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote: Robz Bye Robz. You are now seeming more and more scummy.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

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[The_Wine_Merchant]

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Pretty sure that is L-1.

EFHW, faust, TWM, Awaclus, gkrieg, Jake

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.4

Joseph2302 (1): mcmcsalot
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): Joseph2302
Robz888 (6): faust, The_Wine_Merchant, EFHW, gkrieg13, Awaclus, JaketheBaseballGod22
Awaclus (1): Robz888

Not Voting (3): Calamitas, IDontPlayThisGame, Roadrunner7671

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jan. 7th at 12:00 pm forum time.