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[Robz888]

Not scummy: Calamitas and mcmcsalot. I understand lurking. Nothing of value or substance has been said for the last however many pages.

Lurking is bad.
Vote: 888

It is bad, but it's understandable in this case.

Also bad: casting ambiguous votes.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Also bad: casting ambiguous votes.

Agreed. I don't feel strongly about most of the nicknames being used, but I think we're getting into dangerous territory if we start using numbers at the end of a person's name to vote for them.

I'll be back some time later today.

[faust]

And everyone is scummy. Joseph, Roadrunner, faust, EFHW. Everyone.

I'm part of a secret society called "everyone" that consists of 4 people!

[Robz888]

And everyone is scummy. Joseph, Roadrunner, faust, EFHW. Everyone.

I'm part of a secret society called "everyone" that consists of 4 people!

I couldn't remember who else was in the game.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

And everyone is scummy. Joseph, Roadrunner, faust, EFHW. Everyone.

I'm part of a secret society called "everyone" that consists of 4 people!

I couldn't remember who else was in the game.

I don't think that is our problem (maybe a few are an exception) but more your problem. I would say most of the players have been around more than you at this point.

[Calamitas]

I think Josephs play is quite towny actually. I really don't think he would have done that as scum (sure it could be WIFOM but it would be very very bold to do so).
Where do you (meaning the people voting him) see a scum narrative for his actions?

[Awaclus]

I think Josephs play is quite towny actually. I really don't think he would have done that as scum (sure it could be WIFOM but it would be very very bold to do so).
Where do you (meaning the people voting him) see a scum narrative for his actions?

Where do you see a town narrative for his actions?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I think Josephs play is quite towny actually. I really don't think he would have done that as scum (sure it could be WIFOM but it would be very very bold to do so).
Where do you (meaning the people voting him) see a scum narrative for his actions?

Where do you see a town narrative for his actions?

This. He hasn't even given any reads based off his attempts of forced reactions. He said he did it with a purpose, but he never did anything with the information he apparently sought out.

I imagine there are plenty of reasons why he might have done something like this as mafia. But I don't know if I could speculate as to what they might be.

[Calamitas]

I think Josephs play is quite towny actually. I really don't think he would have done that as scum (sure it could be WIFOM but it would be very very bold to do so).
Where do you (meaning the people voting him) see a scum narrative for his actions?

Where do you see a town narrative for his actions?

The thing is that town plays usually way less careful and way less calculated than scum does.

[Joseph2302]

I think Josephs play is quite towny actually. I really don't think he would have done that as scum (sure it could be WIFOM but it would be very very bold to do so).
Where do you (meaning the people voting him) see a scum narrative for his actions?

Where do you see a town narrative for his actions?

This. He hasn't even given any reads based off his attempts of forced reactions. He said he did it with a purpose, but he never did anything with the information he apparently sought out.

I imagine there are plenty of reasons why he might have done something like this as mafia. But I don't know if I could speculate as to what they might be.

I gave reads after it in reply #262

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I gave reads after it in reply #262

Ha. Yes you did. Sorry, I somehow only saw the top line from that post. I think my point still has a little bit of merit since the reads were only given after I specifically asked for them.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I think Josephs play is quite towny actually. I really don't think he would have done that as scum (sure it could be WIFOM but it would be very very bold to do so).
Where do you (meaning the people voting him) see a scum narrative for his actions?

Where do you see a town narrative for his actions?

The thing is that town plays usually way less careful and way less calculated than scum does.

Joseph always plays careless so its non alignment indicative.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Will lynch most people but want to lynch Joseph because of his poor stunts.

[Roadrunner7671]

I think Josephs play is quite towny actually. I really don't think he would have done that as scum (sure it could be WIFOM but it would be very very bold to do so).
Where do you (meaning the people voting him) see a scum narrative for his actions?

Where do you see a town narrative for his actions?

The thing is that town plays usually way less careful and way less calculated than scum does.

Joseph always plays careless so its non alignment indicative.

That's not so nice 

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I think Josephs play is quite towny actually. I really don't think he would have done that as scum (sure it could be WIFOM but it would be very very bold to do so).
Where do you (meaning the people voting him) see a scum narrative for his actions?

Where do you see a town narrative for his actions?

The thing is that town plays usually way less careful and way less calculated than scum does.

Joseph always plays careless so its non alignment indicative.

That's not so nice 

why?

[gkrieg13]

Will lynch most people but want to lynch Joseph because of his poor stunts.

The stunts that you say don't indicate he is scum?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Will lynch most people but want to lynch Joseph because of his poor stunts.

The stunts that you say don't indicate he is scum?

I said he does it all the time and by that it should be NAI but theses ones I said were a little different hence my vote.

[EFHW]

I think this is town!Joseph. Remember that time he did weird stuff in a neighborhood, and got mislynched? I agree with faust that this was too involved to be a scum!plot.

[EFHW]

Unvote

Was this unvote because Joseph gave you scum points for voting Jake?

[EFHW]

Will lynch most people but want to lynch Joseph because of his poor stunts.

The stunts that you say don't indicate he is scum?

gkrieg, who do you think is scummy?

[Roadrunner7671]

Unvote

Was this unvote because Joseph gave you scum points for voting Jake?

No, Joseph will give me scum points for breathing. This was because Jake seemed to have lost his tunneling mindset and I don't particularly want to lynch jake D1

[gkrieg13]

Will lynch most people but want to lynch Joseph because of his poor stunts.

The stunts that you say don't indicate he is scum?

gkrieg, who do you think is scummy?

Don't know yet. Haven't been paying enough attention honestly.

[Joseph2302]

I think this is town!Joseph. Remember that time he did weird stuff in a neighborhood, and got mislynched? I agree with faust that this was too involved to be a scum!plot.

I remember that game now. Hydrad and I were in a neighbourhood, and he claimed traitor so I claimed scum. We were both town.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I have counted multiple veterans read Joseph as a strong town (RR, gkrieg, IDPTG, EFHW, faust, Calamitas). And while I don't understand that or agree with them it does encompass half of the players in the game and certainly includes a significant number of town players.

So while I disagree, I suppose I need to concede both that we aren't going to be able to get a lynch on him without movement from that group (unlikely, I think given they were all fairly adamant about their town read on him) and that I might just be reading Joseph wrong given that I haven't played with him before.

unvote

I still think his actions look like something that mafia might do and if those above change their minds I would likely go back to voting him. Further, if I am wrong and Joseph is town I would encourage him to avoid doing such things to make a significant number of people think you are mafia in the future.

[Robz888]

I have counted multiple veterans read Joseph as a strong town (RR, gkrieg, IDPTG, EFHW, faust, Calamitas). And while I don't understand that or agree with them it does encompass half of the players in the game and certainly includes a significant number of town players.

So while I disagree, I suppose I need to concede both that we aren't going to be able to get a lynch on him without movement from that group (unlikely, I think given they were all fairly adamant about their town read on him) and that I might just be reading Joseph wrong given that I haven't played with him before.

unvote

I still think his actions look like something that mafia might do and if those above change their minds I would likely go back to voting him. Further, if I am wrong and Joseph is town I would encourage him to avoid doing such things to make a significant number of people think you are mafia in the future.

I've never played with Joseph, and it could be that he acts crazy independent of alignment. It still seemed forced, to me.