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[IDontPlayThisGame]

I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.

Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?

Does that block the NK? I think it's interesting that some of faust's town reads on Dylan hinge on Dylan not being good enough of a scum player.

No, it would cause scum to die if they killed me.

Right. Got it confused with Jailkeeper. Which still might not do that.

[faust]

I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.

Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?

Well it depends on whether you want to make the final lynch decision yourself or let the rest of the town do it.

[faust]

I think I may have to postpone the remaining rereads for a day or two.

Sorry, my availability at this crucial point really sucks :/

[Joseph2302]

I think I may have to postpone the remaining rereads for a day or two.

Sorry, my availability at this crucial point really sucks :/

Ditto. Might be able to do them tomorrow if I'm lucky.

[Dylan32]

I'm here but also busy. Bday is tomorrow and having to prep for Christmas stuff+birthday sucks. I'll sit down before I go to bed and catch up.

[Dylan32]

I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.

Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?

Either you target your top scum read and hope you take one with you if they target you or you target your top town read to protect them assuming scum doesn't want to risk being killed by you, which blocks the nk. It is pretty textbook WIFOM and whatever you decide to do, don't tell the thread what it is. Of course, you could say it and do the opposite, but that's pretty much the exact same situation. So do whatever you think is best.

I know we don't want to be the first person to vote to avoid a quick mislynch, but if we have individually and collectively decided who we want to see lynched, should we do like an unofficial vote to see what everyone wants or would do right note?

[Dylan32]

Also: I will go do my best to go through and reread Faust and idptg tomorrow night, because I think they are the only two I haven't. I don't think I'll have time to do a quote by quote post that is quite as thorough as faust's, unfortunately, but I will do my best with the little time I will have.

[Dylan32]

Also: I will go do my best to go through and reread Faust and idptg tomorrow night, because I think they are the only two I haven't. I don't think I'll have time to do a quote by quote post that is quite as thorough as faust's, unfortunately, but I will do my best with the little time I will have.

By tomorrow I do mean later today on the 22nd. To me, tomorrow is after I wake up, not after midnight

[Joseph2302]

I think Joseph or IDPTG are the ways to go.

Assuming we correctly lynch, should I babysit my top scum read?

Either you target your top scum read and hope you take one with you if they target you or you target your top town read to protect them assuming scum doesn't want to risk being killed by you, which blocks the nk. It is pretty textbook WIFOM and whatever you decide to do, don't tell the thread what it is. Of course, you could say it and do the opposite, but that's pretty much the exact same situation. So do whatever you think is best.

I know we don't want to be the first person to vote to avoid a quick mislynch, but if we have individually and collectively decided who we want to see lynched, should we do like an unofficial vote to see what everyone wants or would do right note?

That idea is good, as long as we remember to actually cast real votes later on as well.

[Joseph2302]

Alec/Dylan:

62 posts

D1 was absolutely nothing from Alec, and Dylan subbed in right at deadline, and gave a decent post in #338.
D2 he started by voting Calamitas (#666), trying to push the game forward after the D1 shenanigans (#709 & #716), switches to put  me on L-1 (#915 & #917),  only wants Calamitas or me lynched (#940) - both of us are town, although it didn't look like we were same alignment. #975 put Calamitas on L-2. This flip flopping could be scum seeing 2 mislynches, and not caring which one happens.
D3 he was confused about PRs (#1053), wants to vote for me, the easy mislynch (#1065 & #1098), claims last with a safe VT claim (#1094)

All I can see from him is votes for bad lynches. Could be scum.

[Joseph2302]

RR: not going to reread now, as he's obviously town and basically an IC

[Joseph2302]

IDPTG:

74 posts

D1 starts with RV (#63), then RVs to Jake (#76). Against claiming idea and thinks faust is scum for it (#91, #112, #144), before backtracking that claiming = scummy (#160). Tries to push game away from claiming (#175, #178, #180), then votes Jake (#194), posts some thoughts/ town reads (#249), didn't vote Jake as he didn't want to be on an easy mislynch wagon (#642, #929)- this seems kind of hedgy, but I understand why you don't want to jump on it.
D2 starts talking about recognising tricks (#700, #702), #787 is interesting as he says "I said I felt like either faust or gkrieg was scum and gkrieg flipped VT, so that would mean I think faust is scum." Inactive for lots of D2. Votes for me, but later intent to hammer on Calamitas. So he liked both mislynch wagons.
D3 he gets RR to unvote, which is good (#1064), claims VT third (#1076).

Overall, I think he's looking a little bit townier than Dylan in my opinion.

[Joseph2302]

I'll reread faust later, although I do have a scum opinion of him.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh yeah, Alec was Dylan.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Votes for me, but later intent to hammer on Calamitas. So he liked both mislynch wagons.

I was going to vote Calamitas to avoid a no-lynch. I didn't "like" the wagon; I agreed with LaLight.

[Dylan32]

So I reread faust.  I actually don't really know what to make of this so far.  The theory discussion at the beginning earns some town points.  His experience shows in the way he examines arguments and people's reads or lack of reads.  My gut feeling for D1 would be to say his D1 was overall towny, but then there is quite a bit of stuff that isn't really alignment indicative on its own that seemed to steer the conversation in a way that, if he is scum, would have put him in a really good place. So to me, his D1 seemed towny.

This stuck out from pretty early D2:

Interestingly, all off-wagon people (except me) are players that kinda slipped below the radar. Like, Idplay, Joseph. Dylan... don't really have opinions on them. I have a feeling that there is a scum in there.

Seeing this post made me realize something: The only person who was on the Jake lynch and is still alive (RR) is an IC. So literally Jake's entire wagon was town. Not that this actually has anything to do with faust, but considering all Cal's points about scum being off-wagon, I guess Calamitas was right after all since both scum were off wagon.  (Tangent: To me, this gives Calamitas some extra credibility when looking at his EoD2 comments and reads. I will have to go back and read his thoughts too later. /EndofTangent)  Faust's feeling then would also be correct, there is for sure at least one scum in that set. I would like to say his knowledge that there is one scum in that group seems scummy, but that's easy to say with hindsight, so I guess I will just call it null but noteworthy.

In posts #893 and #894, which are both long, he reads Joseph and then IDPTG.  His feelings are summed up in #895:

So it comes down to this: Joseph has been scummy consistently in my opinion. Idplay on the other hand has some townier moments and then only this one thing that seems pretty scummy. Ultimately, I might prefer lynching Joseph here.

His case on Joseph honestly doesn't seem that great at that point, and yet he was his main lynch candidate over IDPTG. However, his IDPTG read seems legit, and Joseph didn't have a whole lot to go on at that point, so if he was reading those two as his biggest scum candidates, then voting Joseph makes sense on the case he had.  He then disappeared for a lot of the back and forth between Calamitas, Joseph, and myself.  Faust came back and said he thought Calamitas was town and that he didn't want to see a Calamitas lynch. When Joseph threatened to never play again if he got lynched, faust moved from Joseph to IDPTG.  Then later:

At this point I think I would vote Calamitas over Joseph. But you know, that would be the hammer. So I guess I'll stay on Idplay unless someone convinces me in like 2 minutes.

I'm not really sure what made him change his mind on Calamitas.  We may never know though, because he ended the day on IDPTG.  This reads as either scum bussing Joseph and changing when it looks like he might actually get lynched, or just town going back and forth trying to decide who the best lynch is.  His behavior is similar to mine RE: Calamitas v. Joseph, but it is the opposite direction as what my mind changed, so I want to town-read the behavior, but the possibility that he was bussing and then trying to defuse a wagon on his partner seems  fairly likely.

He hasn't given a whole lot on D3 other than a big reread of me and he has pushed everyone to do their own rereads, which is fair.  There is also the fact he has not been lynched yet while other active vets have been.  The same case can be made about Joseph.  Overall, I had been thinking he was town until I reread him, but having read it all at once, he seems scummy, but I don't think he is more scummy than Joseph.  Until I reread IDPTG (which will have to wait till tomorrow), I'm inclined to think it is a Joseph/faust scum team.

If we are doing the unofficial vote thing, right now I would vote: Joseph, because I still think he makes more sense as a potential parter with IDPTG than faust does, so I'm thinking that whether or not faust is his parter, Joseph is scum.  I will go back and completely reread Joseph too after I'm done with IDPTG just to be sure though before I officially vote.

[Joseph2302]

Request Prod on faust

[SpaceAnemone]

Request Prod on faust

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[faust]

Hi, sorry. I'm afraid Christmas stuf is taking more of my time than I assumed and I won't get around to do another reread. So, for me, it's either Joseph or Idplay today.

The thing Joseph has going for him is that I feel he's more likely to be Dylan's partner. What I don't like is that everyone is already teaming up on him; I feel that a scum team would want to win today and not bus their partner.

So this makes me want to go for Idplay. Also there's the fact that nobody really wants to lynch him despite multiple scum reads is telling. Overall I think he has the highest chance of being scum. There is also the out-there-ness of Joseph's D2 play, which I think is more likely scum... so I guess an Idplay/Dylan team isn't impossible.

[faust]

Also, I will be out tomorrow from at least around noon forum time until the deadline. o this needs a decision.

I really really wish I could do this in a more informed way. Still, vote: Idplay

[Haddock]

Vote Count 3.1

IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust

Not Voting (4): Dylan, Joseph, Roadrunner, IDPTG

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 ends at 6pm forum time on Saturday 24th December. That's in ~31 hours.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Since apparently votes are starting, unofficial vote: Joseph

[Joseph2302]

Since apparently votes are starting, unofficial vote: Joseph

I will Unofficialvote:faust

[Dylan32]

Unofficial vote count 3.1
faust(1): Joseph
Joseph(2):Dylan, IDPTG
IDPTG(1): faust (official vote)
Not voting (1): RR

[Dylan32]

Hi, sorry. I'm afraid Christmas stuf is taking more of my time than I assumed and I won't get around to do another reread. So, for me, it's either Joseph or Idplay today.

The thing Joseph has going for him is that I feel he's more likely to be Dylan's partner. What I don't like is that everyone is already teaming up on him; I feel that a scum team would want to win today and not bus their partner.

So this makes me want to go for Idplay. Also there's the fact that nobody really wants to lynch him despite multiple scum reads is telling. Overall I think he has the highest chance of being scum. There is also the out-there-ness of Joseph's D2 play, which I think is more likely scum... so I guess an Idplay/Dylan team isn't impossible.

Could this be why you are backing off of Joseph? Because you don't want to bus your partner?

With that first official vote, and seeing IDPTG's unofficial vote, I'm not worried about scum quick hammering Joseph since he won't self vote, RR is town, and everyone else's opinions are known, so I'll go ahead and officially vote: Joseph

RR, I think you are last unless I missed it. What are you thinking?