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[Dylan32]

I actually think it's somewhat likely that scum!Calamitas would pull that off. As you said, it was such an easy mislynch that you couldn't afford to let it not go through.  But regardless, there's also the fact that I'm willing to bet that there was at least one scum on the wagon.  I have a hard time believing both scum would stay off.  Of the 5 people who voted for Jake, 2 are dead VTs, and then there are RR, LL, and you.  Of the three, I'm most confident RR is town out of anyone.  I then think LL has been more sincere in their efforts to find scum as I said.  So if the status quo holds, I still think I'd rather lynch you today.  But if you or anyone else makes a solid case on someone else, I would for sure consider switching over.  I would consider voting for IDPTG right now too, but since we're days away from the deadline, I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now in hopes of IDPTG becoming more active.  If not, then I'll switch over.

But it would never not go through. Never, ever. That guy scumslipped twice. In similar situations, I would lynch that person again a million times out of a million. Why wouldn't anyone?

Yeah me too. So why were you so concerned that no one else was going to deliver the hammer that you pushed him to self-hammer? If the lynch was as sure thing as you believe (it was), and if scum was more likely than town to stay off wagon, why not give someone else a chance to get on the wagon to narrow the pool of people for you to look at the next day? It just didn't make sense and wasn't necessary.  Even if you are town, I just still really don't like that move.

I was basically positive he wouldn't actually follow through. But either way, the fact that you "don't like it" doesn't make it scummy in the slightest, scum tries to play pro-town after all (at least that early).

I'm not sure why you would think Jake wouldn't follow through on that, but ok.

[Calamitas]

I actually think it's somewhat likely that scum!Calamitas would pull that off. As you said, it was such an easy mislynch that you couldn't afford to let it not go through.  But regardless, there's also the fact that I'm willing to bet that there was at least one scum on the wagon.  I have a hard time believing both scum would stay off.  Of the 5 people who voted for Jake, 2 are dead VTs, and then there are RR, LL, and you.  Of the three, I'm most confident RR is town out of anyone.  I then think LL has been more sincere in their efforts to find scum as I said.  So if the status quo holds, I still think I'd rather lynch you today.  But if you or anyone else makes a solid case on someone else, I would for sure consider switching over.  I would consider voting for IDPTG right now too, but since we're days away from the deadline, I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now in hopes of IDPTG becoming more active.  If not, then I'll switch over.

But it would never not go through. Never, ever. That guy scumslipped twice. In similar situations, I would lynch that person again a million times out of a million. Why wouldn't anyone?

Yeah me too. So why were you so concerned that no one else was going to deliver the hammer that you pushed him to self-hammer? If the lynch was as sure thing as you believe (it was), and if scum was more likely than town to stay off wagon, why not give someone else a chance to get on the wagon to narrow the pool of people for you to look at the next day? It just didn't make sense and wasn't necessary.  Even if you are town, I just still really don't like that move.

I was basically positive he wouldn't actually follow through. But either way, the fact that you "don't like it" doesn't make it scummy in the slightest, scum tries to play pro-town after all (at least that early).

I'm not sure why you would think Jake wouldn't follow through on that, but ok.

Ehm, I was basically positive he was scum

[LaLight]

Why do we need to wait for a deadline to make decisions? It looks like everyone is careful with posts and actually not voting saying "i will switch closer to the deadline". Why? What will be different then?

[faust]

I want people to switch to Idplay.

Also, I'm hoping to do targeted rereads at some point, but today was busy and tomorrow I won't have time either.

[faust]

Also it bothers me that I seem to be the only one doing rereads.

I thought it might be interesting to at gkrieg's reads too. He was pretty good as town in that other game, maybe scum got scared of his reads?

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm willing to switch to IDPTG, as I have expressed. I will reread him though. Maybe right now!

[Calamitas]

Also it bothers me that I seem to be the only one doing rereads.

I thought it might be interesting to at gkrieg's reads too. He was pretty good as town in that other game, maybe scum got scared of his reads?

Or that is just wifom...

[Calamitas]

Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.

[Dylan32]

Why do we need to wait for a deadline to make decisions? It looks like everyone is careful with posts and actually not voting saying "i will switch closer to the deadline". Why? What will be different then?

Well, if IDPTG starts engaging more between now and the deadline, my biggest reason for suspecting them will be reduced, and I will be less likely to want to vote for them.  My comment about waiting should be interpreted more along the lines of, I'm ok with where my vote is now, but if the situation calls for a change later, I will consider it then.

PPE 2

Also it bothers me that I seem to be the only one doing rereads.

I thought it might be interesting to at gkrieg's reads too. He was pretty good as town in that other game, maybe scum got scared of his reads?

Yeah, I'll go back and so some later, but I have an exam in a few hours that I really should be studying for. But if scum killed gkrieg out of fear of his reads, that would scream newb!scum, because that seems like the last thing scum would want to do, isn't it? I mean, that's mafia 101.

PPE 3 again

[Roadrunner7671]

What do you think about our main lynch candidates? LaLight, Calamitas, maybe gkrieg?

This was scummy, as it was at the time where we were pressuring Jake to claim.

Wait, Jake was town. So this is either towny or scummy. Not sure which 

[Roadrunner7671]

IDPlay was also suppppper hedgey on the Jake lynch. Someone has said that, but it's true! But we need to hear more from him.

That being said, Vote: IDPTG

[Roadrunner7671]

Unvote
I'm checking up on faust, actually. Contributing doesn't mean town for faust.

[Joseph2302]

Will read and respond to the above posts tomorrow.

[Calamitas]

Will read and respond to the above posts tomorrow.

Please respond to #832.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Possibly a mistake, but posting while angry.

Honestly, if I get mislynched for inactivity at this point I won't even mad. There's no way I could blame you. It's been one thing after another for why I can't post and the next one is the best.

A little bit about my life. I work in one town and live in another. The only way for me to get back and forth takes about 1.5 hours if I'm lucky, usually 2. They don't pay me enough to commute twice each day, but thankfully a relative lives in the town I work. So I stay with her for the days I'm working. For one reason or another, my relative doesn't have internet service. While working, therefore, my only access to the forum (and Dominion, and email, and every other facet of my life) is my phone. Thankfully nothing uses up too much data so access hasn't been an issue. Until now.

My phone has this glitch where sometimes it doesn't recognize that I've given it the correct unlock code. The first time this happened, I put in the emergency backup PIN when prompted and it let me in and everything was fine. Since this seemed like an acceptable outcome, I never got it fixed. It's happened a couple times since then. Then, today, it did it again. Except this time, it didn't recognize the backup PIN either. I know I have the right PIN and entered it correctly. I'm down to 1 attempt remaining before the factory reset. There's too much that hasn't been backed up for me to acknowledge the reset as a viable option. So I can't access my phone and, therefore, everything. I'm currently in a library parking lot getting wifi on a Chromebook to post this. At most I'll be able to get about one post here a day and right now I'm focused on unlocking my phone rather than going through this game and doing reads.

So that's my latest reason for inactivity. If anyone knows anything about fixing this issue for a Samsung Galaxy S5, let me know and (hopefully) I'll even see it.

Also, to answer Calamitas, until Jake's claim I was convinced he was scum. After the claim, I wasn't surprised at all to see him flip town.

[LaLight]

Possibly a mistake, but posting while angry.

Honestly, if I get mislynched for inactivity at this point I won't even mad. There's no way I could blame you. It's been one thing after another for why I can't post and the next one is the best.

A little bit about my life. I work in one town and live in another. The only way for me to get back and forth takes about 1.5 hours if I'm lucky, usually 2. They don't pay me enough to commute twice each day, but thankfully a relative lives in the town I work. So I stay with her for the days I'm working. For one reason or another, my relative doesn't have internet service. While working, therefore, my only access to the forum (and Dominion, and email, and every other facet of my life) is my phone. Thankfully nothing uses up too much data so access hasn't been an issue. Until now.

My phone has this glitch where sometimes it doesn't recognize that I've given it the correct unlock code. The first time this happened, I put in the emergency backup PIN when prompted and it let me in and everything was fine. Since this seemed like an acceptable outcome, I never got it fixed. It's happened a couple times since then. Then, today, it did it again. Except this time, it didn't recognize the backup PIN either. I know I have the right PIN and entered it correctly. I'm down to 1 attempt remaining before the factory reset. There's too much that hasn't been backed up for me to acknowledge the reset as a viable option. So I can't access my phone and, therefore, everything. I'm currently in a library parking lot getting wifi on a Chromebook to post this. At most I'll be able to get about one post here a day and right now I'm focused on unlocking my phone rather than going through this game and doing reads.

So that's my latest reason for inactivity. If anyone knows anything about fixing this issue for a Samsung Galaxy S5, let me know and (hopefully) I'll even see it.

Also, to answer Calamitas, until Jake's claim I was convinced he was scum. After the claim, I wasn't surprised at all to see him flip town.

Got it. Though it doesn't cancel the flailing EoD1 and not always helpful posts overall.
Therefore, I'm perfectly fine with lynching Calamitas.

[Joseph2302]

Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.

Yes he did. Many times.

[Joseph2302]

Why do we need to wait for a deadline to make decisions? It looks like everyone is careful with posts and actually not voting saying "i will switch closer to the deadline". Why? What will be different then?

Exactly.
Plus if we lynch on Friday D2, then the deadline for D3 will be on the Christmas weekend (24 or 25/12), which isn't ideal.

[Joseph2302]

Possibly a mistake, but posting while angry.

Honestly, if I get mislynched for inactivity at this point I won't even mad. There's no way I could blame you. It's been one thing after another for why I can't post and the next one is the best.

A little bit about my life. I work in one town and live in another. The only way for me to get back and forth takes about 1.5 hours if I'm lucky, usually 2. They don't pay me enough to commute twice each day, but thankfully a relative lives in the town I work. So I stay with her for the days I'm working. For one reason or another, my relative doesn't have internet service. While working, therefore, my only access to the forum (and Dominion, and email, and every other facet of my life) is my phone. Thankfully nothing uses up too much data so access hasn't been an issue. Until now.

My phone has this glitch where sometimes it doesn't recognize that I've given it the correct unlock code. The first time this happened, I put in the emergency backup PIN when prompted and it let me in and everything was fine. Since this seemed like an acceptable outcome, I never got it fixed. It's happened a couple times since then. Then, today, it did it again. Except this time, it didn't recognize the backup PIN either. I know I have the right PIN and entered it correctly. I'm down to 1 attempt remaining before the factory reset. There's too much that hasn't been backed up for me to acknowledge the reset as a viable option. So I can't access my phone and, therefore, everything. I'm currently in a library parking lot getting wifi on a Chromebook to post this. At most I'll be able to get about one post here a day and right now I'm focused on unlocking my phone rather than going through this game and doing reads.

So that's my latest reason for inactivity. If anyone knows anything about fixing this issue for a Samsung Galaxy S5, let me know and (hopefully) I'll even see it.

Also, to answer Calamitas, until Jake's claim I was convinced he was scum. After the claim, I wasn't surprised at all to see him flip town.

That's a perfectly valid reason for less posting.
I figured there was a reason, since you were a lot more active on D1.
And unfortunately I cannot help with your phone, sorry

[faust]

Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.

I did not after the first thing (the flavor name stuff), because obviously nobody has a flavor name, so Jake claiming something different was weird but not scummy (because there is no scum motivation to do that). Then with Jake saying there was a Babysitter and a Rolecop, I thought he was either a Doctor (because these are the Doctor's neighbors and maybe he understood the setup badly and thought the neighbors of his role are in the game) or he scumslipped.

He self-hammered before claiming.

[Calamitas]

Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.

What about you Dylan?

[Dylan32]

I've already said the exact post number that I thought was the scum slip.  But up until that point I could still see town Jake doing the same thing with the flavor stuff.

[Joseph2302]

So there seems to be a bit of a trend going towards IDPTG.

Is there an actual case on them, or is it just because they've been lurky D2, which they've explained is because of IRL stuff?

[Calamitas]

Just for the record, who actually believed Jake scumslipped yesterday (either scumslip counts on that matter)? If not, please give reasons why not.

Yes he did. Many times.

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Calamitas (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust
Jake (5): RR, Calamitas, gkrieg, Lalight, Jake

Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Twilight now.  Space will do the flip later.

So Dylan, faust annd IDPTG were all not on the mislynch wagon (I wasn't also, but would have been if I hadn't edit conflicted so much). At least 2 town, quite possibly 3, in this group.

I just don't think those fit together.
Assume you are a town player, then someone scumslips legitimately. You acknowledge the scumslip(s), believe they are legitimate and then that person turns out to be town due to some awful play on their part.
There is no way you would believe that being off-wagon is actually towny in that scenario. You have experienced for yourself how legitimate the scumslip felt and how strong evidence there has been for them being scum. Why would you consider it towny to not believe a legitimate scumslip? Town has exactly the same information as you have, why do you expect town players to come to a vastly different conclusion than you did (believing the scumslip, being on wagon)?

The reaction doesn't fit to a town!Joseph who believed the scumslips were legitimate, not at all.

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote Count 2.4

Calamitas (3): LaLight, Dylan, Joseph
Joseph (1): Calamitas
IDontPlayThisGame (1): faust

Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Roadrunner

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends Friday 16th December. at 3pm forum time.