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[LaLight]

This is an interesting bunch of people voting for Calamitas. I'm pretty sure one (or both?) of them is clearly scum. Also, Dylan's putting to L-1 may be either newcomer's mistake or a good faked one.

I see two good possibilities:

1) intent to hammer so if Calamitas flips town we could scumhunt one of three people frankly or he flips scum and it's good after all.
2) start scumhunting now, presuming one of his voters is scum. Actually there might be, because his partner may bus. Yeah, right.

Vote: Dylan32
You should've noticed this is L-1.

Why are those the only options?  Calamitas could just be scum.

bolded it

[LaLight]

If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Vote Count 1.LL

faust (1): Calamitas,
Calamitas (3): faust, GKrieg, Dylan32 L-1
Jake (1): Lalight
GKrieg13 (1): Jake

Not Voting (3): Roadrunner7671, Joseph, IDontPlayThisGame

Isn't 3 votes L-2?

[Dylan32]

This is an interesting bunch of people voting for Calamitas. I'm pretty sure one (or both?) of them is clearly scum. Also, Dylan's putting to L-1 may be either newcomer's mistake or a good faked one.

I see two good possibilities:

1) intent to hammer so if Calamitas flips town we could scumhunt one of three people frankly or he flips scum and it's good after all.
2) start scumhunting now, presuming one of his voters is scum. Actually there might be, because his partner may bus. Yeah, right.

Vote: Dylan32
You should've noticed this is L-1.

Why are those the only options?  Calamitas could just be scum.

bolded it

It takes 5 to lynch, and your vote count has it at 3, so it is L-2.

PPE 1

[LaLight]

Right. I am an idiot when it's morning

[Dylan32]

Although I must say,  I'm intrigued by your attempt to make the fact I joined the game and voted for the person I was most suspicious of into a scum tell, LL.  Could be scum trying to manufacture a case out of nothing, or town truly scumhunting using the belief that scum will always vote someone to L-1.

Is that something that is generally seen as a scumtell though? I've seen people make a big deal of L-1 before due to the obvious possibility of an unannounced hammer, but I don't think I've seen scum accusations over that stick in the 2 games I've played.  Before someone explains why scum would do that, I do get why scum would want to do it strategically, but is the current meta such that scum would actually be more likely to avoid creating L-1 or is it really a good way to find scum?  I guess this is more a question for the vets in the game.

PPE 1: I'm right there with you regarding mornings.

[LaLight]

Ok then.

vote: Calamitas L-1
My whole theory collapsed a little cause it was meant to have 4 votes to lynch.

Ppe: now i am l-1ing. Problem was that you didn't tell that it was l-1. Now it is not a problem anymore

[Dylan32]

Ok then.

vote: Calamitas L-1
My whole theory collapsed a little cause it was meant to have 4 votes to lynch.

Ppe: now i am l-1ing. Problem was that you didn't tell that it was l-1. Now it is not a problem anymore

Oh ok, yeah I understand, if it was L-1 and I didn't say it that would have looked and been really bad, so I get where you were coming from.

[Joseph2302]

Vote: LaLight, that L-1 stuff was just silly.

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight, that L-1 stuff was just silly.

And you think it was scum!silly?

[faust]

So far, no-one has done anything that seems really very scummy to me. That probably means at least 1 scum is a vet,maybe both. Newbies are more likely to be more obvious as scum.

Who do you think would have been obvious as scum? Alec?

[faust]

Vote: LaLight, that L-1 stuff was just silly.

And you think it was scum!silly?

I was definitely scummy for the same reason Calamitas' read on me was scummy: It looks like fabricating a read from something that is not alignment-indicative.

[faust]

If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.

This is also quite bad. I thought you townread Clamitas? What changed?

[faust]

I mean LaLight looks legitimately scummy here, but then the way he treats Calamitas also makes sense as bussing, so that's still a good place for my vote.

[LaLight]

If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.

This is also quite bad. I thought you townread Clamitas? What changed?

Well, I meant that Calamitas' lynch is better than no-lynch.

Also I didn't quite townread him as i don't townread anybody in particular. D1 lynching VT is better than lynching no one and Calamitas being scum makes sense the same that, idk, RR being scum. Nothing strong alignment-indicative happened.

Also, putting someone to L-1 is good cause it causes sincere reactions which we can follow and uncover partners. So I'm okay with my vote.

[Joseph2302]

So far, no-one has done anything that seems really very scummy to me. That probably means at least 1 scum is a vet,maybe both. Newbies are more likely to be more obvious as scum.

Who do you think would have been obvious as scum? Alec?

Alec, Jake or IDPTG are probably new enough to probably make mistakes as scum.

[faust]

If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.

This is also quite bad. I thought you townread Clamitas? What changed?

Well, I meant that Calamitas' lynch is better than no-lynch.

Also I didn't quite townread him as i don't townread anybody in particular. D1 lynching VT is better than lynching no one and Calamitas being scum makes sense the same that, idk, RR being scum. Nothing strong alignment-indicative happened.

Also, putting someone to L-1 is good cause it causes sincere reactions which we can follow and uncover partners. So I'm okay with my vote.

Man, yeah, here's my reaction: Vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

If nothing changes much in 2 days, I will switch to him.

This is also quite bad. I thought you townread Clamitas? What changed?

Well, I meant that Calamitas' lynch is better than no-lynch.

Also I didn't quite townread him as i don't townread anybody in particular. D1 lynching VT is better than lynching no one and Calamitas being scum makes sense the same that, idk, RR being scum. Nothing strong alignment-indicative happened.

Also, putting someone to L-1 is good cause it causes sincere reactions which we can follow and uncover partners. So I'm okay with my vote.

Man, yeah, here's my reaction: Vote: LaLight

Yeah, that's a reaction too. Reasons?

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote Count 1.5

faust (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (3): gkrieg13, Dylan32, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
LaLight (2): Joseph2302, faust

Not Voting (2): Roadrunner7671, IDontPlayThisGame

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends Thursday 8th December at 2pm forum time.

[LaLight]

Also, i don't know is this argument valid, but what if Alec was scum (and Dylan is)?
Supposedly the former found it very hard to play scum with no way what to do and asked about replacement. People were waiting for reads from him and some more than others (i'm too lazy for searching right now, but RR maybe?). What if these people are his teammates? What do you guys think about this theory?

[Joseph2302]

Also, i don't know is this argument valid, but what if Alec was scum (and Dylan is)?
Supposedly the former found it very hard to play scum with no way what to do and asked about replacement. People were waiting for reads from him and some more than others (i'm too lazy for searching right now, but RR maybe?). What if these people are his teammates? What do you guys think about this theory?

Assuming he's scum based on nothing would be a crapshoot.
If he is scum, there's also too many people against his lynch to work out the other scum.

[Roadrunner7671]

Woah, we're pretty much out of time. Deadline just snuck up. Snuck isn't a word.

I don't feel strongly about Calamitas or LaLight, and it looks like they're the two prime lynch options.

[LaLight]

Woah, we're pretty much out of time. Deadline just snuck up. Snuck isn't a word.

I don't feel strongly about Calamitas or LaLight, and it looks like they're the two prime lynch options.

We have 1,5 day. Who about do you feel more strongly? And I don't think 2/3 votes make us the only two options actually.

[Roadrunner7671]

Woah, we're pretty much out of time. Deadline just snuck up. Snuck isn't a word.

I don't feel strongly about Calamitas or LaLight, and it looks like they're the two prime lynch options.

We have 1,5 day. Who about do you feel more strongly? And I don't think 2/3 votes make us the only two options actually.

I'd have to reread, but I think, if it came down to Calamitas vs. LaLight, I'd vote Calamitas.

[gkrieg13]

Well my town read definitely faded on LaLight.