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[AdrianHealey]

Told you so.

[kru5h]

Cobbler Action,
Gain a card costing up to .
If it costs less than...
, +1 Action
, +1 Card
, +
(Do all that apply.)

I wanted a card that does several things:

You can gain a card costing up to $4.
You can gain a Silver. If you do, you get your Action back.
You can gain an Estate. If you do, you get your Card and Action back.
You can gain a Copper. If you do, you get your Card and Action back an immediate +$1.

This basically rewards you for gaining cheaper cards.

Angry Mob Action - Attack - Duration,
+1 Action
Each other player discards down to 4 cards in hand.

At the start of your next turn, choose one:
+; or discard a card to put this into your hand.

Fast Track Event,
If this is your first or second turn, gain a Duchy.

You can start the game with a Duchy (or two), but your deck will be considerably behind and a bit clogged.

[ThetaSigma12]

I like Fast Track, but does it need the cost? You have in your starting hand so no matter what you open you can always pay it off. would probably be too harsh, couldn't you just make it ?

[kru5h]

I should also change Dagger.

Dagger Action,
+1 Action
You may trash a card from your hand.
Shuffle this into your deck.
--
When you trash this, gain a card costing up to .

[josh56]

Cobbler Action,
Gain a card costing up to .
If it costs less than...
, +1 Action
, +1 Card
, +
(Do all that apply.)

I wanted a card that does several things:

You can gain a card costing up to $4.
You can gain a Silver. If you do, you get your Action back.
You can gain an Estate. If you do, you get your Card and Action back.
You can gain a Copper. If you do, you get your Card and Action back an immediate +$1.

This basically rewards you for gaining cheaper cards.

A cantrip Estate gainer can be useful in Silk Road or Garden games but I think that option will be mostly used if decent 2s are in the Kingdom.
A Peddler that gains a Copper is also only useful in Garden games or late in the game when self-junking doesn't matter anymore.

I think it is overall narrower and thus worse than Ironworks so I'd reprice it at 3.

[kru5h]

Cobbler Action,
Gain a card costing up to .
If it costs less than...
, +1 Action
, +1 Card
, +
(Do all that apply.)

I wanted a card that does several things:

You can gain a card costing up to $4.
You can gain a Silver. If you do, you get your Action back.
You can gain an Estate. If you do, you get your Card and Action back.
You can gain a Copper. If you do, you get your Card and Action back an immediate +$1.

This basically rewards you for gaining cheaper cards.

A cantrip Estate gainer can be useful in Silk Road or Garden games but I think that option will be mostly used if decent 2s are in the Kingdom.
A Peddler that gains a Copper is also only useful in Garden games or late in the game when self-junking doesn't matter anymore.

I think it is overall narrower and thus worse than Ironworks so I'd reprice it at 3.

3 cost would make it strictly better than Workshop.

If it needs to be slightly stronger, I could do this:

Cobbler Action,
Gain a card costing up to .
If it costs or less, +1 Card and +1 Action.
If it costs or less, +1 Buy and +.

Then it can be played 3 ways:

Gain a card up to 4.
+1 Card, +1 Action, gain a card up to 3.
or +1 Card, +1 Action, +1 Buy, and +$1, (Market) but as a penalty you gain a Copper.

[Asper]

Cobbler Action,
Gain a card costing up to .
If it costs less than...
, +1 Action
, +1 Card
, +
(Do all that apply.)

I wanted a card that does several things:

You can gain a card costing up to $4.
You can gain a Silver. If you do, you get your Action back.
You can gain an Estate. If you do, you get your Card and Action back.
You can gain a Copper. If you do, you get your Card and Action back an immediate +$1.

This basically rewards you for gaining cheaper cards.

A cantrip Estate gainer can be useful in Silk Road or Garden games but I think that option will be mostly used if decent 2s are in the Kingdom.
A Peddler that gains a Copper is also only useful in Garden games or late in the game when self-junking doesn't matter anymore.

I think it is overall narrower and thus worse than Ironworks so I'd reprice it at 3.

3 cost would make it strictly better than Workshop.

If it needs to be slightly stronger, I could do this:

Cobbler Action,
Gain a card costing up to .
If it costs or less, +1 Card and +1 Action.
If it costs or less, +1 Buy and +.

Then it can be played 3 ways:

Gain a card up to 4.
+1 Card, +1 Action, gain a card up to 3.
or +1 Card, +1 Action, +1 Buy, and +$1, (Market) but as a penalty you gain a Copper.

I like it. The fact that it costs 4$ itself means that the option to gain a 4$, just without any bonus, will always be available.

[kru5h]

The old Cipher was a bit strong.

Cipher Action,
+ 3 Cards
Choose a card from your hand. Either discard it,
or put it onto your deck.

If this is the first time you played this card this turn,
you may discard a Silver to play this card again.

Or maybe this card doesn't need to be so complicated.

Cipher Action,
+ 3 Cards
Choose a card from your hand. Either discard it,
or put it onto your deck.

Angry Mob still doesn't feel right. Maybe this is more of what I'm going for:

Angry Mob Action - Attack - Duration,
At the start of each of your turns for the rest of the game, you may discard a card.
When you do, each other player discards down to 4 cards in hand.
(This stays in play.)

New card idea: Mule. It's like a Hireling, but you have to pay each turn to keep it in play.

Mule Action - Duration,
At the start of each of your turns, if this is still in play, +1 Card.
(This stays in play in some cases.)
---
At the end of each Buy Phase, either pay , or discard this card from play.

You could have 4 of these in play and you get 4 extra cards each turn, but you're losing $4 from each buy phase.

[kru5h]

Collection Event,
Once per turn: You may gain a Copper. If you do, +2 Buys.

[kru5h]

I like Fast Track, but does it need the cost? You have in your starting hand so no matter what you open you can always pay it off. would probably be too harsh, couldn't you just make it ?

Fast Track Event,
If this is your first or second turn, +1 Buy and gain a Duchy.

This still lets you buy other cards. Might be too strong. If it is I can nerf it to Gain an Estate and +1.

[kru5h]

Pyramid Landmark
When scoring, +1 per Coin Token you have, up to 5.
Setup: Each player starts the game with 5 Coin Tokens.

[josh56]

Pyramid Landmark
When scoring, +1 per Coin Token you have, up to 5.
Setup: Each player starts the game with 5 Coin Tokens.

In the absence of cards that provide Coin tokens I am pretty sure that spending all Coin tokens is nearly always better than making VP tokens out of them at the end of the game.

[kru5h]

Pyramid Landmark
When scoring, +1 per Coin Token you have, up to 5.
Setup: Each player starts the game with 5 Coin Tokens.

In the absence of cards that provide Coin tokens I am pretty sure that spending all Coin tokens is nearly always better than making VP tokens out of them at the end of the game.

Probably right.

2VP per token seems like they would never be spent, though. Maybe this is just a bad landmark. If I were willing to salvage it, I would probably make it 2VP per token, but only 3 tokens to start with.

[josh56]

Giving up the VP equivalence of a Province is of course a harsher price to pay for a 5/5 opening (the first version made crazy openings like Prince and a 4 possible!) and might create an actual trade-off. But if other cards that provide Coin tokens are present the strategy is simple: spend all Coin tokens during the opening to get 5/5 (or e.g. 7/3 if Forge is present), later buy a Coin token gaining card, spend some of them but have 3 Coin tokens when the game ends.

[Asper]

Pyramid Landmark
When scoring, +1 per Coin Token you have, up to 5.
Setup: Each player starts the game with 5 Coin Tokens.

In the absence of cards that provide Coin tokens I am pretty sure that spending all Coin tokens is nearly always better than making VP tokens out of them at the end of the game.

Probably right.

2VP per token seems like they would never be spent, though. Maybe this is just a bad landmark. If I were willing to salvage it, I would probably make it 2VP per token, but only 3 tokens to start with.

I like the general idea of the card, but it has the problem that a card like Baker is a VP token cantrip which does nothing to end the game. On the other hand, it gives coin tokens, which help to buy cards. The question is just, at which point are the VP you could buy from a Victory card as good as the coin tokens you spend for it? If you spend 3 coin tokens to go from 5$ to a Province, you basically only made 3 VP and could have bought a Duchy instead, while staying more flexible. This problem is far less present with 2 coin tokens per VP. If you have 5$ and spend three coin tokens, you still made one or even two VP more than if you bought the Duchy. I think that's okay. Also, I think it should be at least 4 coin tokens everybody gets at the start. Otherwise, it will not matter all that often. Or you could have players receive free coin tokens when buying something expensive, like a Province. Just a few thoughts.

[josh56]

Pyramid Landmark
When scoring, +1 per Coin Token you have, up to 5.
Setup: Each player starts the game with 5 Coin Tokens.

In the absence of cards that provide Coin tokens I am pretty sure that spending all Coin tokens is nearly always better than making VP tokens out of them at the end of the game.

Probably right.

2VP per token seems like they would never be spent, though. Maybe this is just a bad landmark. If I were willing to salvage it, I would probably make it 2VP per token, but only 3 tokens to start with.

I like the general idea of the card, but it has the problem that a card like Baker is a VP token cantrip which does nothing to end the game.

Due to the cap at 5 this is not a problem.

[kru5h]

The Gift Edict
Once per turn on their turn, a player may exchange 2 for a Coin Token.
Setup: Each player starts the game with 6.

This makes it so that players can only spend one per turn so that they can't do ridiculous openings.

[josh56]

The Gift Edict
Once per turn on their turn, a player may exchange 2 for a Coin Token.
Setup: Each player starts the game with 6.

This makes it so that players can only spend one per turn so that they can't do ridiculous openings.

This seems like the best implementation of the idea. The 2:1 ratio makes it a tricky decision and the wacky opening possibilities are eliminated. You could still get a Prince and a Nomad Camp though if Baker is also in the Kingdom (and if you draw the topdecked Nomad Camp together with 4 Coppers).

[ThetaSigma12]

The Gift Edict
Once per turn on their turn, a player may exchange 2 for a Coin Token.
Setup: Each player starts the game with 6.

This makes it so that players can only spend one per turn so that they can't do ridiculous openings.

Couldn't this be an Event:

Gift
Once per turn: Spend 2 for + and +1 Buy.
-----------
Setup: Each player starts the game with 6.

[Jack Rudd]

The Gift Edict
Once per turn on their turn, a player may exchange 2 for a Coin Token.
Setup: Each player starts the game with 6.

This makes it so that players can only spend one per turn so that they can't do ridiculous openings.

This seems like the best implementation of the idea. The 2:1 ratio makes it a tricky decision and the wacky opening possibilities are eliminated. You could still get a Prince and a Nomad Camp though if Baker is also in the Kingdom (and if you draw the topdecked Nomad Camp together with 4 Coppers).

Prince isn't necessarily all that as an opener, though, especially not in non-Shelters games. I'd be more worried about being able to open with Forge or Expand.

[kru5h]

Demagogue Action - Attack,
+1 Card
+1 Action
You may put a card from your hand onto your deck.
If you do, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand does.
You may discard a card.
If you do, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand does.

Edit: This is quite wordy.

Anyway. This is a weak attack, so it's cheap. Sometimes you don't even want to discard or put a card on your deck, so it's just a cantrip.

Edit 2: Remove the part about gaining a Copper.
Edit 3: Reduced price from $3 to $2.

[Asper]

One word of caution: You don't usually want cantrips that do nothing for you on boards with discard attacks, as keeping the cantrip in hand always carries the risk that you will draw something worse than you discarded. I don't think it's as bad with topdecking, but it's still bad enough and Demagogue seems so weak that I can't imagine ever using it. Either the board allows for its attack to be so good that the downside on play is worth it, and then it still harms itself more than decks without it. Or there are ways like Library or Lookout to soften its downside on play, but then its attack is not worth it. You never get out with more than you sacrifice here.

[kru5h]

One word of caution: You don't usually want cantrips that do nothing for you on boards with discard attacks, as keeping the cantrip in hand always carries the risk that you will draw something worse than you discarded. I don't think it's as bad with topdecking, but it's still bad enough and Demagogue seems so weak that I can't imagine ever using it. Either the board allows for its attack to be so good that the downside on play is worth it, and then it still harms itself more than decks without it. Or there are ways like Library or Lookout to soften its downside on play, but then its attack is not worth it. You never get out with more than you sacrifice here.

I could combine it with Cipher?

Cipher Action - Attack, ?
+3 Cards
Choose one: Put a card from your hand onto your deck, or discard a card.
Whichever you do, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand does.

It seems alright, but there's something about the card I just don't like.


I could make it a Silver variant.

Demagogue Treasure - Attack,

You may put a card from your hand onto your deck.
If you do, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand does.
You may discard a card.
If you do, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand does.

I think I like that a bit better, but meh.

Maybe this just isn't a good card to make.

Here's something I came up with that has little to do with the above card. It's like a lab, but sits on your Tavern Mat until you discard.

Cooper Action - Reserve,
+2 Cards
+1 Action
Put this on your Tavern Mat.
--
At the start of your turn, you may call this to discard a card.

Then there's this:

Angry Mob Action - Attack - Duration,

Now and at the start of your next turn:
Each other player discards down to 3 cards in hand, then draws a card.

Wait. I forgot that delayed attacks cause tracking issues when a Moat is revealed.

Demagogue Action - Attack,
Choose one: +1 Card and +1 Action; or +2 Cards.
You may put a card from your hand onto your deck.
If you do, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand does.
You may discard a card.
If you do, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand does.

Or I could make it an attack Village:

Warriors' Village Action - Attack,
+1 Card
+2 Actions
You may put a card from your hand onto your deck.
If you do, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand does.
You may discard a card.
If you do, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand does.

[josh56]

Cooper Action - Reserve,
+2 Cards
+1 Action
Put this on your Tavern Mat.
--
At the start of your turn, you may call this to discard a card.

This is probably only a bit worse than Fugitive and seems like a good 4 to me.
I'd like to point out that Asper's Hunter is a less vanilla-ish and more interesting implementation of a Reserve non-terminal draw that can be called at a cost.

[kru5h]

Caltrops Action - Attack - Duration,
Until your next turn: When another player plays a duplicate of a card they have in play,
they discard the top two cards of their deck; and when another player shuffles their deck, they gain a curse.
At the start of your next turn,
+2 Cards

Angry Mob Action - Attack,
+1 Card
+1 Action
You may choose a card from your hand. If you do, discard it or put it onto your deck and
each other player with 5 or more cards in hand does the same thing with a card from their hand.

What do you guys think about the above two card variations?