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[gkrieg13]

Welcome to M85: Olympics Mafia by gkrieg13.

This game is for 9 players, and is an invented, semi-open setup designed by gkrieg13.

Co-mod:

Sign ups are open.

1. silverspawn
2. Calamitas
3. Seprix - Swimming, the Bodyguard
4. Roadrunner7671 - Basketball, posing as Badminton, the Mafia Roleblocker
5. Iguanaiguana
6. Mail-mi
7. SpaceAnemone - Rowing, the Watcher
8. LaLight - Cycling, the Tracker
9. Joseph2302 - Fencing, the Vanilla Townie

Tags: J Reggie, SirMartin

Game State Tracker:
Day 1 start || Day 1 end
Day 2 start || Day 2 end
Day 3 start || Day 3 end
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The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by your role QT.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Quoting of QTs is forbidden as well
5. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
6. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
7. Players must post once every 24 hours.
8. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
9. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
10. Cryptography is not allowed.
11. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
12. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
13. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or fewer players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, green text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please write to the Mod in your role QT. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently, especially because I am a new mod. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via your role QT. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.
3. Night action phase submission deadline will be 36 hours after the night begins.

[gkrieg13]

Setup Post:

Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:

- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.
Roles:

• Jailkeeper: 4
  
• Tracker: 4
  
• Watcher: 4
  
• Rolecop: 4
  
• Vigilante: 3
  
• Doctor: 2
  
• Neapolitan: 1
  
• Roleblocker: 1
  
• Bodyguard: 1
  

Modifiers:

• Random: -3
• Weak: -2
• Miller (always shown as JOAT to rolecop): -1
• Witness (always shown targeting the person who died if tracked): 0
• Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0
• Macho: 0
• Loud: 1
• Ascetic: 2
• Vanillaising: 2

- Mafia will be:

1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Godfather)
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher


All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!

[gkrieg13]

Flavor Post:

The flavor for this game will be olympics.   

I might change the flavor if something better comes to mind before the game begins.

Flavor written by me has no effect on the game.  Town will be know as Olympic Sports, mafia will be known as "Real" Sports

[silverspawn]

f/inrst!

[gkrieg13]

yay!

I also want to know what people think of the new setup.  This way there will be an unknown number of PRs, so hopefully it won't be like the last game of this setup...

[faust]

I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?

Also, what does Insane do? I only know this modifier for Cops, but this setup has no Cops.

[gkrieg13]

I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?

Also, what does Insane do? I only know this modifier for Cops, but this setup has no Cops.

I was thinking that it would be for rolecops but I should really just take it out.  It could also apply to neapolitans. 

A point system would work for the modifiers.  Mafia's strength could be determined by power of roles - power of modifiers.

[gkrieg13]

So I did 3 randomizations, and I need to tweak something, because right now we get:

Witness RB, Vanillaising Vig, Ascetic Vig vs. JOAT and Goon

Ascetic Jk and vanillaising Rolecop vs JOAT and Goon

weak Jailkeeper,Miller Bodyguard, Framed Neapolitan, Ascetic Roleblocker, vs. JOAT and Goon

I think Jailkeeper probably needs to go into the 4 class, and maybe lower Roleblocker and Doctor each down one.

[ashersky]

I feel like the modifiers are somewhat unbalanced. Some are pretty bad (Random, Macho) while others are actually good (Ascetic, possibly Loud and Vanillaising). Maybe there should be a point system for them as well?

This.

[gkrieg13]

Ok with the modifiers added with point values 3 random setups gives:

Macho JK, Macho Vig vs. JOAT and Goon

Miller Neapolitan, Random Doctor, Witness Vig, Loud Watcher, Weak JK vs. JOAT and Goon

Witness Doctor, Macho RB, Framed Tracker, Vanillaising Vigilante vs. JOAT and RB

[J Reggie]

/tag swag

[Calamitas]

/in but depending on the expected duration (a reference point would be nice).

[Seprix]

/in

[gkrieg13]

/in but depending on the expected duration (a reference point would be nice).

The time can vary.  These micro setups are definitely the shortest games.  The game will start when it is full, and the last iteration of this setup took 22 days to complete, but it was one of the quicker mafia games because of bad luck on mafia's side.  I would expect this game to take a bit longer, but the maximum time it would take is 36 days.

If you want a game that would start sooner, but might take a little bit longer, I suggest you sign up for this game <- url

[Roadrunner7671]

/in

[SirMartin]

/tag

[iguanaiguana]

/in for literally any form of mafia

[gkrieg13]

/in for literally any form of mafia

Woah you beat me to it

[mail-mi]

/in

[gkrieg13]

I changed the flavor to olympics, because they are going on right now, and it should be more fun.

[SpaceAnemone]

/in

[iguanaiguana]

/out




















/in


feels like a new game!

[gkrieg13]

I'd expect the last couple of spots to fill quickly, so get them while they're hot!

[Roadrunner7671]

/in

[iguanaiguana]

/in

Roadrunner will play two people!

[LaLight]

/in

[gkrieg13]

/in

Welcome. Make sure to sign the civility pledge!

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0

[LaLight]

/in

Welcome. Make sure to sign the civility pledge!

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0

Just did it!

My first game, but i'll try to do my best =)

[ashersky]

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

[gkrieg13]

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

[ashersky]

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

[gkrieg13]

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

That fits much better with what I want to do!  Although I may need to change some things up.  Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players?  I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.

[ashersky]

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

That fits much better with what I want to do!  Although I may need to change some things up.  Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players?  I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.

It's just, some of the modifiers are more interesting if they are on VTs.  Since they are hidden anyway, it can be on VT without an issue.

[gkrieg13]

I'm not convinced the setup will work the way you want.

The modifiers can only apply to the PRs, right?  Given the negatives, feels like you can't trust anything and it ends up being vanilla against Mafia.

What if modifiers can hit VTs and become roles?

That's slightly what I want it to be. What do you mean by the last part?

Right now the setup has modified PRs and straight VTs, per the explanation post.  So you roll PRs and modifiers in your secret way, then apply them together to random players.  So say you roll:

JK, Tracker, Vigilante, Doctor, Random, Weak, Miller (that's 7)

You match up three modifiers with three of the four PRs and assign them somehow.

Instead of doing that, what if you allow the modifiers to land on players other than the JK, Tracker, Vigilante, or Doctor?

That fits much better with what I want to do!  Although I may need to change some things up.  Many of the modifiers don't affect VTs, so maybe change the way they are assigned to players?  I'm afraid if I do too much, it just becomes too complicated.

It's just, some of the modifiers are more interesting if they are on VTs.  Since they are hidden anyway, it can be on VT without an issue.

Lets roll some setups and see how it goes.
So we get:
Bodyguard, Ascetic, bodyguard, miller, JK.  Then we roll those among the 7 town and get: ascetic JK, 2 bodyguards and a miller VT.

JK, Random, Doctor, Weak, RB, Loud, Bodyguard, Loud, Watcher.  Loud RB, Random JK, Weak Doctor, Loud VT, Bodyguard, Watcher.

Bodyguard, vanillaising, Doctor, Ascetic.  You get vanillaising VT, bodyguard, Ascetic Doctor.

Those don't seem like unbalanced setups. 

[LaLight]

Can someone tell what this all means?

[Roadrunner7671]

Can someone tell what this all means?

Don't worry, I don't know either

[mail-mi]

Can someone tell what this all means?

Don't worry, I don't know either

Hey, RR: Something witty.

You're welcome.

[silverspawn]

Can someone tell what this all means?

If we told you everything, you might aswell read the wiki.

Some core things: you know mafia kills a person each night. Well town can have roles, too. A town who is also a doctor can protect a player each night, so that if he gets targeted by the kill, he survives. A roleblocker blocks another player from committing an action, which can be good if you hit mafia, bad if you hit e.g. a doctor. A town Cop can target a player at night and learn if he's mafia or town.

So those are power roles. There are lots of them. What they're discussing has to do with power roles and modifications that alter power roles. You'll learn the specifics as you go.

[gkrieg13]

Can someone tell what this all means?

I wouldn't worry about it.  The stuff we are talking about is just randomizing the roles that will appear in the game.  I want to make a balanced setup so that mafia and town have equal chances of winning, and I also want to make it a fun game for everyone!

[Roadrunner7671]

Can someone tell what this all means?

Don't worry, I don't know either

Hey, RR: Something witty.

You're welcome.

How does that look?

[gkrieg13]

Can someone tell what this all means?

If we told you everything, you might aswell read the wiki.

Some core things: you know mafia kills a person each night. Well town can have roles, too. A town who is also a doctor can protect a player each night, so that if he gets targeted by the kill, he survives. A roleblocker blocks another player from committing an action, which can be good if you hit mafia, bad if you hit e.g. a doctor. A town Cop can target a player at night and learn if he's mafia or town.

So those are power roles. There are lots of them. What they're discussing has to do with power roles and modifications that alter power roles. You'll learn the specifics as you go.

Plus if you are a power role (PR), you will be told what it does, and what you have to do.  Plus, you will have a personal place to ask me any questions you might have after the game begins.  It looks like we are going to have a lot of new players in this game, so I will try to make it as newbie friendly as possible.  I almost even want to change it to a newbie mafia game, seeing as we have 3/8 new players right now.

[mail-mi]

Can someone tell what this all means?

Don't worry, I don't know either

Hey, RR: Something witty.

You're welcome.

How does that look?

Perfect.

[Joseph2302]

/hammer

[Joseph2302]

And this is actually a hammer, not like the end of M83 when I screwed up.

[Seprix]

[silverspawn]

And this is actually a hammer, not like the end of M83 when I screwed up.

[gkrieg13]

And we are full!  PMs are going out shortly. 

Each PM will just be a link to a topic on Quicktopic (QT).  If you don't already have an account there, you will need to make one.  Please choose your username there so that it matches your username here. 

Please post "/confirm" in your QT when you have read it.  Direct any questions you have to me in the QT

[mail-mi]

So are we keeping the setup or making it a newbie one?

[gkrieg13]

So are we keeping the setup or making it a newbie one?

Keeping the setup.  I think it is generally fairly newbie friendly. 

[gkrieg13]

Ok PMs are out!

N0 begins now and ends Thursday August 18, 12 pm

THREAD LOCKED!

[gkrieg13]

I updated the setup post to make it more newb friendly and to reflect how the roles and modifiers were chosen and applied.  I made all the changes navy.  I suggest you read the setup post again before the game begins.

[gkrieg13]

still waiting on some confirms. Please post in your QT or send me a PM so I know you saw your role, so this game can start on time

[gkrieg13]

All of the sports gathered round.  They were so excited!

"People will actually watch us again!" said Rowing.

"I can already feel the excitement of people saying my name for the next couple of weeks!" exclaimed Beach Volleyball.

"Think of all of the publicity our sports are going to get!" said Gymnastics.

Badminton, Diving, and Swimming all oooohed.

All of the Olympic Sports were waiting in anticipation of the games.  They knew that it may be difficult to fill seats, or that there weren't going to be as many people at the games due to the current political atmosphere, but they relished these days.  These were the 16 days that they were the stars.  For the 1444 days between olympic games, Basketball, Soccer, and Football seemed to be the stars.  They got all the attention on SportsCenter.  But for these 16 days, no one would care about Basketball or Soccer, and hey Football isn't even a sport for the next 16 days!  Who cares about Football during the Olympics!

Just as they were all content, Fencing, Cycling, and Trampoline ran into the room. 

"Guys I'm afraid to cut the party short, but we have some intruders in our midst.  It seems like some "Real Sports" have infiltrated us.  They want to turn the attention back to themselves.  They don't even want to let us have 16 days of glory!  We need to find them, and eliminate them.  We have the power now, but if we wait too long, we will be overrun by those awful, attention-hogging sports."

"Let's get a move on"

Day 1 starts now!

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (9): silverspawn, Calamitas, Seprix, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, mail-mi, SpaceAnemone, LaLight, Joseph2302

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

THREAD UNLOCKED

[Roadrunner7671]

Hi everyone!

[silverspawn]

Greetings.

I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: silverspawn for creepy tones

[SpaceAnemone]

Hi Everyone!

vote: iguana

Wagons!!!

(I'm new here... am I doing it right?)

[Haddock]

/tag

[Seprix]

I love the set-up for this game. The evil Football and Soccer conspire to take down the Olympics.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm British, so Soccer is just a weird other name for Football anyway...

[Seprix]

Greetings.

I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.

vote: Silverspawn

[silverspawn]

So far, everything is going according to plan.

[mail-mi]

Hi Everyone!

vote: iguana

Wagons!!!

(I'm new here... am I doing it right?)

Yes!

vote: SpaceAnemone

[Seprix]

So far, everything is going according to plan.

Barring you being a Jester, I don't see how getting tons of votes helps, as town or scum.

[silverspawn]

The stuff you don't see could fill about 99,999999999% of the world.

[iguanaiguana]

LurkLurkLurk

lol

[iguanaiguana]

Hi Everyone!

vote: iguana

Wagons!!!

(I'm new here... am I doing it right?)

Usually I do this when at least one other person is already voting for the person, but don't worry  is 

[iguanaiguana]

I'm Trampoline btw.

[Seprix]

Man, I don't like this new trend of looking scummy on purpose as the new town norm.

[iguanaiguana]

You tell me the scum narrative for anything I've said and I'll agree that it's scummy.

[Joseph2302]

Hi.

I'm scum again.

[silverspawn]

vote: Joseph

I order two of you to do the same.

[Seprix]

I guess reads are going out the window.

[mail-mi]

I'm Trampoline btw.

Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?

[Seprix]

I'm Trampoline btw.

Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?

That gives scum information. I am against it, at least for D1.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Joseph

Either you don't think highly of yourself at all or you claimed Mafia.

[LaLight]

Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool

[Roadrunner7671]

Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool

We're only voting in this thing called random voting stage. We vote for people to get leads and try and see how they react. Without this stage, the game wouldn't progress.

[silverspawn]

Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool

You have two options

1) you vote for Joseph now

2) I will go back in time, make it so you drew scum (if you didn't do it already) and tunnel you restlessly until you are accurately lynched.

[silverspawn]

Hi everyone!

I'm starting to suspect every one of you, is it intended?

I'm town btw and don't want to vote.
I'll look after you.. From my swimming pool

We're only voting in this thing called random voting stage. We vote for people to get leads and try and see how they react. Without this stage, the game wouldn't progress.

Do not listen to RR; he is lying. Only the weak take part in RVS.

[Roadrunner7671]

Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part

[SpaceAnemone]

Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part

Oh, glad it's not just me feeling confused. Is Silver trying to be a gold Olympic medal? It's quite a weird colour choice...

[LaLight]

Ok, i'll believe Silverspawn.

Vote: Silverspawn

[LaLight]

Oh, i thought he said about rvs. but what's done is done

[Roadrunner7671]

Silverspawn, seriously what are you doing? I read the setup a while ago and I comoddes in a beta version of this game and I don't think anything you're saying makes sense ir can happen. But the bold, colored font might be the weirdest part

Oh, glad it's not just me feeling confused. Is Silver trying to be a gold Olympic medal? It's quite a weird colour choice...

He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me

[Roadrunner7671]

Ok, i'll believe Silverspawn.

Vote: Silverspawn

If you want to vote you have to use bolding.

Like this: Vote: PlayerName

[silverspawn]

He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me

Good, good.

I will send someone over to brush your toes.

[silverspawn]

I'd like to point out that lurking, which means not posting, is anti town, which means bad. Post more.

[LaLight]

it's hard to use bolding form the phone.

I'll try

Vote: Silverspawn

And thanks RR for helping! I nearly believed you're the good guy down here.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm Trampoline btw.

Do we want to claim? Is there anything, good or bad, that can actually come of it?

That gives scum information. I am against it, at least for D1.

Seprix, if you didn't say annoyingly black and white things like this all the time, we wouldn't lynch you so much.

Claiming flavor in a silly olympic-sport themed mafia game where mafia were almost certainly all given fake claims and flavor was almost certainly randomly distributed is totally harmless and perfectly pointless.

2 + 2 = 4! Oh no, don't say that!!!! That gives scum information!!!!!!

[iguanaiguana]

Anyway, Vote: Joseph

He's scum this game. He said so himself.

[Seprix]

I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.

[iguanaiguana]

I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.

Pretty sure the roles are Rowing, Beach Volleyball, Gymnastics, Badminton, Diving, Swimming, Fencing, Cycling, and Trampoline

and that 2 of those are fake claims.

[SpaceAnemone]

I wonder if Silverspawn is the Gold medal.

Heh, there's an echo in here!

[SpaceAnemone]

Testing to see if I can out-gold Silver...

[Roadrunner7671]

it's hard to use bolding form the phone.

I'll try

Vote: Silverspawn

And thanks RR for helping! I nearly believed you're the good guy down here.

No problem! I sort of know you so I'll help you out. But bolding isn't that hard from a phone! Or at least not if you press the button

[Roadrunner7671]

He's trying to scare and confuse the new players, but it's only affecting me

Good, good.

I will send someone over to brush your toes.

What does that even mean?!

[Roadrunner7671]

Anyway, Vote: Joseph

He's scum this game. He said so himself.

I think it's a null tell but that is annoying to me. I thought he'd stop after he got burned for it

[Calamitas]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

[Calamitas]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Vote: Jospeh

[LaLight]

I played a game of Mafia IRL where in the start everyone was forced to tell the phrase "I am not mafia" one after another. Twas so boring that I said "I am mafia" and got lynched D1 (i was townie). So maybe Jospeh just tries to give us some diversity?

P.S. If he's really scum my post will be suspicious
P.P.S. This P.S. is suspicious too
P.P.P.S. I feel recursion floating around

[LaLight]

btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?

[Roadrunner7671]

btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?

I can't help you there. Reading the setup might be helpful?

[Seprix]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

[gkrieg13]

btw where can i find descriptions of all the roles? And am i correct that there can be any variety of roles? such as all the townies may be just townies, or PRs or else?

I would look at mafiascum

(that is a link btw)

[Roadrunner7671]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Either I'm dumb or it's not really bad meaning it's super obvious.

What is it?

[Seprix]

Using angle brackets like so: <b>

That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.

[Seprix]

Not to mention Calimitas is trying really hard to push a case where there is one. Look at this:

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

That's not quite true, at all. All of those posts are obviously RVS to a fault.

[Roadrunner7671]

Using angle brackets like so: <b>

That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.

I thought we decided that was sort of scummy but not a slip? If Calamitas has never played Mafia before it might be worth looking into. But don't get my hopes up like that 

[Seprix]

Nobody decided anything, RR.

[silverspawn]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Who are you and have you played mafia before?

I don't think you signed our pledge (link), did you?

[mail-mi]

Vote: Calamitas

Using angle brackets like so: <b>

That is done with QuikTopic, i.e. when scum NKs someone or uses a PR.

I thought we decided that was sort of scummy but not a slip? If Calamitas has never played Mafia before it might be worth looking into. But don't get my hopes up like that 

Good enough for an early day 1 vote.

[Roadrunner7671]

Nobody decided anything, RR.

Hold on, let me find out if Calamitas is new

[Roadrunner7671]

I think he's new but I want him/her to tell me if possible. I couldn't find conclusive data

[iguanaiguana]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

[Seprix]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

Haha, it's not an awful play. And this is coming from someone who claimed instantly D1.

[mail-mi]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

You have a good point with the personal QTs. unvote

[Calamitas]

Just a reminder:
Angle brackets are primarly jused as tags within HTML for just thise purpose (and dozens other purposes)

Either way, pledge signed.

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

Actually mail-mi might be. But I can't determine that D1.


So this means that we (meaning everyone minus ss and maybe mail-mi) need to step up our games! Stuff won't get done unless we make it happen! We gotta be active, guys! We gotta chat! Small games are really bad about slowing down, and I don't want that to happen after my short Mafia break!

[Roadrunner7671]

Summary of notable events in no particular order:

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Joseph: Claimed scum

Seprix: Tried to frame a newbie for a scumslip even though it was pretty obviously not after some simple analysis.

I think that's all I remember. And if I didn't remember it, I guess it wasn't that notable

[silverspawn]

blblpfsdofp . fine.

[silverspawn]

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

[silverspawn]

so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?

[Calamitas]

I think he's new but I want him/her to tell me if possible. I couldn't find conclusive data

First mafia game, my eperience is limited to some IRL werewolf (15 games or so).

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

[Calamitas]

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

Wow, this is actual wagons already, isn't it?

Nobody's commenting on the lack of the word "vote" in Calamitas' "scum-tell" post. Does it mean anything to those of you who're more experienced?

To me it's just an obvious omission, and makes the overall post look more hasty than anything else. I agree that angle brackets themselves aren't a big deal -- I've written a lot of html in my time, so I would naturally default to angle brackets for markup too.

[SpaceAnemone]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

[LaLight]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

Yeah it's me first game. I'm glad I'm not alone!

[iguanaiguana]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.1


silverspawn (1): LaLight
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
Joseph2302 (2): RR, Calamitas
Calamitas (3): Seprix, silverspawn, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (2): mail-mi, Joseph2302

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

[Joseph2302]

Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

Actually mail-mi might be. But I can't determine that D1.


So this means that we (meaning everyone minus ss and maybe mail-mi) need to step up our games! Stuff won't get done unless we make it happen! We gotta be active, guys! We gotta chat! Small games are really bad about slowing down, and I don't want that to happen after my short Mafia break!

I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?

[Joseph2302]

I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?

I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.

[Joseph2302]

Also, I'm busy pretty solidly until Sunday, so limited posting for me on this.

[Calamitas]

I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?

I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.

Makes sense, but why would you make your strategy public? Isn't that nullifying the original effect?

[mail-mi]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

Ya. I'm older than ss. I just took a BIG break for school tho.

[silverspawn]

wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.

Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.

Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?

[mail-mi]

so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?

I can answer these.

After iguana's post and Calamitas' explanation, it seems more like an innocent mistake. Doesn't make him towns, tho.

I think iguana seems more like frustrated town than scum.

[mail-mi]

wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.

Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.

Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?

Yep. That's me. 

[Seprix]

Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

I'm a veteran. Being a veteran doesn't mean you're any good; it simply means you've played for awhile.

so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?

It's his Awaclus impression that he loves doing. He's stopped trying as of late. Usually Iguana doesn't try until later, but that might be more reflective on his home life and being busy than town/scum dichotomy. I don't know. I'd give a slight scum read on his aggression, since solvy Iguana comes with information, and scum has all the information D1.

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Don't think like this. It is very dangerous. Silverspawn is a double-edged sword. Firstly, he can easily be scum and look town. He's done it before, and he's had a nice long string of scum games whilst looking like a leader and towny to prove my point. Secondly, if he is town, he's going to die real fast, and then bye-bye leadership. Simply formulate your own play. Don't rely on others.

[silverspawn]

I don't think there's a consensus on what 'leader' means, so... the only scenario where it's okay or even correct to blindly sheep someone is if they are confirmed town.

since I am town here, you can still sheep me, though. It will be bad play in theory, but turned out to have been good in retrospect.

[silverspawn]

that was future past. and I didn't even use the right grammar.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm reasonably experienced, albeit I'm crazy.

But I agree, there's a lot of new people here.

Don't you find that erratic play makes people generally more suspicious of you? Why do people tend to want to keep you alive?

I kept getting killed early initially, but now scum like to keep me alive, as I seem like an easy mislynch target.

Makes sense, but why would you make your strategy public? Isn't that nullifying the original effect?

This is a concept called Wine in Front of Me (or WIFOM), a reference from the Princess Bride

[mail-mi]

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

[Roadrunner7671]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.

Come on.

Let's look at the players
LaLight: I know he's a newb
Roadrunner: I'm definitely not a veteran by any stretch!
Iguana iguana: I havr a high opinion, I just don't consider you a veteran
Mail-Mi: I didn't know
Silver spawn: He's a vetetan by my definition
Calamitas: He's a newb too
Space: See Calamitas and LaLight
Seprix: Maybe I'd call him a veteran if he didn't play so much like me. I still have a high opinion of him though
Joseph: See Seprix

[Roadrunner7671]

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

I didn't say he was supposed to be a leader. I said that he needed to stop being mysterious and using bold, colored fonts. I do not think anyone should sheep silverspawn just because he's a veteran

[Roadrunner7671]

Hi.

I'm scum again.

I still don't like this.

Joseph: Why? Why do you do this? 

[mail-mi]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.

[mail-mi]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.

This was in response to 146, btw

[Roadrunner7671]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.

A leader. Not the leader

[LaLight]

why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense and sums up everything everybody say. It looks good, it gives info to newbies. Leader? Why? How can we know for certainty leader is not scum?

[silverspawn]

why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense

That's interesting, because I don't see that at all.

You're contradicting yourself, too. RR is the only one spouting the leader talk. You disagree, yet you say he makes sense.

Also clearly I'm not the only vet since mail-mi has been around in my first game and before.

[LaLight]

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

[silverspawn]

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?

[Calamitas]

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?

IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

[Calamitas]

unvote

[Seprix]

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

I'm going to have to ask you to back up your claims.

[iguanaiguana]

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.

[iguanaiguana]

It's his Awaclus impression that he loves doing. He's stopped trying as of late. Usually Iguana doesn't try until later, but that might be more reflective on his home life and being busy than town/scum dichotomy. I don't know. I'd give a slight scum read on his aggression, since solvy Iguana comes with information, and scum has all the information D1.

This reads like you once read about Iguana Iguana in a textbook and are trying really hard to recite the definition.

For the record, I do not intend to play sloppy this game. That much should be clear by now.

[iguanaiguana]

why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense and sums up everything everybody say. It looks good, it gives info to newbies. Leader? Why? How can we know for certainty leader is not scum?

We can't. The only reason to sheep (follow) someone is if you are convinced they are town and they are correct.

[iguanaiguana]

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?

IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.

[Calamitas]

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?

IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.

Okay, thats fine. I don't have knowledge about previous behaviour, so I cannot take that into account for my reasoning.

[Calamitas]

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.

My intention was getting an experienced player to comment on that action by Jospeh. I didn't know to much about his previous behavior (excpexcept him pulling that off at least once) and therefore couldn't estimate it. If he's really doing it every time it's obvious that it is irrelevant.
And attention wasn't that time on me, the discussion of my "scumslip" has ended slightly before that comment.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm not liking the Calamitas wagon just now, especially with the number of experienced players on it. Iguana, you joined last, apparently just following Silver, who didn't really post any particular arguments. What's your personal reasoning? I'm kind of feeling like my random vote might not be in a terrible place after all...

(Phone posting from a train with limited data connectivity... hope this works!)

[iguanaiguana]

I've already stated my reasons.

[iguanaiguana]

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?

IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.

Okay, thats fine. I don't have knowledge about previous behaviour, so I cannot take that into account for my reasoning.

I don't fault you for your read on Seprix but these kinds of misunderstandings need to be cleared up or we will just end up lynching him and if we lynch him I'd like it to be because he's scum and not because he's Seprix.

[iguanaiguana]

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.

My intention was getting an experienced player to comment on that action by Jospeh. I didn't know to much about his previous behavior (excpexcept him pulling that off at least once) and therefore couldn't estimate it. If he's really doing it every time it's obvious that it is irrelevant.
And attention wasn't that time on me, the discussion of my "scumslip" has ended slightly before that comment.

What concerns me about your post is that you respond to a vote on you by casting shade on another player. Attention is certainly on you; you are the only player with multiple votes.

At any rate, Joseph has claimed scum at least in the last three games as his opening. In the first game, he was town. In the second game, he was scum. Then this one. Lots of discussion around in his scum claim in both of those recent games, which didn't really amount to much. I don't like his claiming scum. It gives scum an easy thing to hide behind and talk about without looking suspicious, but hey, I can't control what he says.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm not liking the Calamitas wagon just now, especially with the number of experienced players on it. Iguana, you joined last, apparently just following Silver, who didn't really post any particular arguments. What's your personal reasoning? I'm kind of feeling like my random vote might not be in a terrible place after all...

(Phone posting from a train with limited data connectivity... hope this works!)

Please do keep your vote on the only active player in the game. That seems productive and not scummy at all!

[Seprix]

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?

IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Seprix has done things like this so many times as town that I absolutely refuse to scumread him for it this early in the game.

How can I improve my play then? It's not like I 'try' to play bad, and I want to be proactive.

[Roadrunner7671]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy

[SpaceAnemone]

Please do keep your vote on the only active player in the game. That seems productive and not scummy at all!

I'm keeping it there because one vote on you isn't doing a lot of harm, other than signalling my mild suspicion now I've said I'm purposefully leaving it after RVS seems to have petered out. Your original reason for voting Calamitas was stated in post #124 as "Agree with Silver". Since then your full argument against him, as far as I can see, is the scummy read you mention in #158. Compare that to #165 where you say you've already stated your reasons, and I feel like it's not really all that strong a case.

FWIW, my opinion on Calamitas at present is that they're a newbie who's flustered by a rather severe reaction to the angle bracket thing, and may be defensive but that doesn't mean much. Unless we've got a scumteam of Calamitas and LaLight, scum!Calamitas would have a more experienced player telling them how to handle things, wouldn't they?

I feel like Seprix is playing as an antagonistic frustrated towny, which seems to be exactly his meta. RR isn't someone I could get a read on in any of the other games I've been through. Silver feels too oddball here to be seriously scum, but I may be made to eat my words if I don't hedge on that a bit...

[Joseph2302]

Catching up tomorrow

[Joseph2302]

why do we even need a leader? For now I see that RR makes sense

That's interesting, because I don't see that at all.

You're contradicting yourself, too. RR is the only one spouting the leader talk. You disagree, yet you say he makes sense.

Also clearly I'm not the only vet since mail-mi has been around in my first game and before.

We don't necessarily need a "leader" as such.
Just at least 1-2 people who continue posting lots of content to keep the game moving.
Not having any of them means the game is more likely to stall, and no-one contribute.

[Joseph2302]

And nothing notable seems to have actually happened- that was a short reread.

[Calamitas]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy

What I find suspicious is not changing his mind but changing his mind without any proper reason. He claimed to agree with silver, even though silver didn't deliver arguments and rated me as "slightly scummy" because of the argument he harshly rejected before.

[LaLight]

so, out of the mouths of babes and newbies (me):

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

If we are talking about people who IMO makes sence, that's Iguana and RR. I don't see them scummy at all. Can't say anything about Seprix yet. More like townie i suppose. 

[silverspawn]

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.

[SpaceAnemone]

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.

Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)

Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".

[Roadrunner7671]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy

What I find suspicious is not changing his mind but changing his mind without any proper reason. He claimed to agree with silver, even though silver didn't deliver arguments and rated me as "slightly scummy" because of the argument he harshly rejected before.

Yeah that's sort of what I meant. But he also seems unsure which is a thing called 'hedging,' and that's definitely scummy.

[silverspawn]

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.

Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)

Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".

I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.

[SpaceAnemone]

Seprix, I'd like to engage more with you too, since you seem like town (for the moment!). Any re-read on Igu that you could offer will probably just smack of OMGUS, though.

Do you have any town-ish reads on anyone, especially amongst the other experienced people?

[Calamitas]

I've already stated my reasons.

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.

By scanning through iguanas post I noticed that the only reason he "stated" was based on a quote that appeared later than his vote. Therefore the stated reason cannot by the real reason for his vote what is really suspicious.

vote: iguana

[SpaceAnemone]

I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.

You know, RR already effectively told you to grow up once already :-)

I'm trying to make stuff happen. You're not exactly reciprocating!

[Roadrunner7671]

I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.

You know, RR already effectively told you to grow up once already :-)

I'm trying to make stuff happen. You're not exactly reciprocating!

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around. But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same 

I originally thought he was drunk posting when he had his colored font. But I guess not.

[SpaceAnemone]

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same 

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...

[Calamitas]

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same 

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...

Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.

[Roadrunner7671]

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same 

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...

Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.

When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.

[Calamitas]

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same 

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...

Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.

When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.

Exactly.

But back to the topic, what do you think about LaLight and Seprix? Can't estimate them at all right now.

[Roadrunner7671]

After D1 he'll probably either get night killed or stop screwing around.

Well, at least some of the rest of us are making targets of ourselves too, as far as the NK goes. I'm used to playing IRL Werewolf where our win condition always includes being alive at the end, so it's novel for me to be playing a game I can theoretically win from the grave.

But I don't like this silverspawn. He got rid of his colored fonts but he's still not the same 

Stay strong! It wasn't even that nice a colour anyway...

Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.

When I've played Werewolves the wincon has been 'the town wins' or 'the werewolves win.' Survival is not key.

Exactly.

But back to the topic, what do you think about LaLight and Seprix? Can't estimate them at all right now.

I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town. Seprix is pretty null, trying to turn your 'slip' into a thing is either a towny blunder or a scummy thing, I'm not sure which yet.

[SpaceAnemone]

Isn't playing with "stay alive or lose" taking away the teamplay part away from the game? Self sacrificing by claiming to be the seer/other PRs with additional info (after gathering info) becomes impossible for example.

We never got to know the role or alignment of dead characters, so wolves could claim to be seers or whatever if they were reasonably confident the real one was dead. There were quite a few other game mechanic differences, but it all balanced well, and was a really enjoyable game. That's why, when Haddock started telling me about his online mafia exploits, I was keen to take a look... so here I am.

Aaaaanyway, back to the present! My read on you feels very high-variance... just because I dislike so many of the oldies jumping on your wagon doesn't mean I'm not watching you too. Your post in #175 is essentially a re-wording of my suspicion in #171, but without acknowledging me at all. OTOH, LaLight seems to be tarring the two of us with almost the same brush in #176, and I know where I'm coming from at least!

Ooops... some PPEs to address too maybe.

[SpaceAnemone]

I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town.

I'm not familiar with Codenames. Does it give you any insight into his character or play beyond what the rest of us can observe in the thread here?

[Roadrunner7671]

I've been playing Codenames with LaLight, he seems to be slightly flustered/overwhelmed town.

I'm not familiar with Codenames. Does it give you any insight into his character or play beyond what the rest of us can observe in the thread here?

Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.2


silverspawn (1): LaLight
iguanaiguana (3): SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Calamitas
Calamitas (3): Seprix, silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): Joseph2302

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

[SpaceAnemone]

Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.

I'd picked up on that, but I don't think it's something that will cause issues. Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

I think most people around here are pretty bright, but scumslips seem to happen anyway :-) Now that Haddock's game is starting too, perhaps we'll get lucky and have some extra-confused scum!

If only most people around here were bright and chatty...

[Calamitas]

Well he's not a native English speaker (but a lot of people aren't) but I'd say he's a pretty bright guy. I doubt he'd scumslip as scum.

I'd picked up on that, but I don't think it's something that will cause issues. Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

I think most people around here are pretty bright, but scumslips seem to happen anyway :-) Now that Haddock's game is starting too, perhaps we'll get lucky and have some extra-confused scum!

If only most people around here were bright and chatty...

I am not a native-speaker as well but it shouldn't cause any trouble.

[iguanaiguana]

My thoughts so far this game on Calamitas as they developed: 

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

I found the content of this post to be a scummy entrance. The language is very strong for an entrance post commenting on RVS and I continue to feel that the tone is off. It reads to me like someone trying to make up guesses on things where he already knows the answers.

When I read the statement, three people had already voted for Calamitas, two of them for the bolding mistake. If I had voted him at this point, it would have put him at L-1. That seemed like a dangerous place to put anyone so early in the game, so I refrained from voting or from even commenting on the scummy nature of the post at the time.

Vote: Jospeh

He fixes the bolding mistake, but still has a typo. Whoever this person is, he's not being very careful and is rushing out these posts. Slight town overall, as town tends to be more careful than scum, but more meta would be helpful here.

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

I already commented on how I found this post scummy. silverspawn votes for him, and he responds by asking silverspawn what he thinks of Joseph and ignoring the vote on him. It felt off. This post, plus the fact that people were moving their votes off of Calamitas for the bolding mistake issue, made me feel comfortable enough placing my vote on him. My thinking: no risk of an undue early end of day from a derphammer, so may as well put my vote on the scummiest player.

That people found it strange for me to vote for a player I had just defended is understandable. My explanation is that I was not defending Calamitas. I was only pointing out that his bolding mistake was not a good reason to vote for him.

Imo, RR just telling his thoughts whereas leadership is another thing. So, i wanted to say, that it's ok for me to listen and think, but not okay to follow smbd. As yet

What do you think of Seprix? Scummy as mail-mi says?

IMO maybe slightly
He made the "Angular brackets - quicktopic - Mafia kill/PR" connection even though there hasn't been kills/PRs in N0 and even though quicktopic isn't by far the likeliest place one would come in touch with angular brackets. But I am not sure if this makes him town or scum, scum might be more careful in such situations (or that is WIFOM).
Additionally, he was against claiming role names and argued it would give scum information even though it is irrelevant and could be an attempt to appear innocent. But again, wouldn't scum be more careful since it wasn't subtle at all.
So, concluding I would say that he appears slightly scummy but definitely not enough to do anything on that front.

Scummy post. Hedging and calling a player scummy but not enough to vote for is a scummy stance to take.

I've already stated my reasons.

Vote: Calamitas

Agree with silver. Town on LaLight.

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

How would you classify Jospehs mafia claiming? Could be a repetition of his bluff he did before and therefore be towny or an actual commitment since he might have assumed we would believe in Case 1. Levels and Levels...

This comments feels scummy. Joseph has claimed scum over 3 or 4 times in a row now. It's just how he starts his games. But something feels off about how Calamitas is drawing attention to it here. It's like he's (rather overtly) trying to draw attention away from himself and onto someone else that he feels might be easy to lynch. The tone also feels a bit forced.

By scanning through iguanas post I noticed that the only reason he "stated" was based on a quote that appeared later than his vote. Therefore the stated reason cannot by the real reason for his vote what is really suspicious.

vote: iguana

Not sure if this is a deliberate misunderstanding or just Calamitas being wrong, but he's misrepresenting me here. I'd already given a reason at the time that I made the post "I've already stated my reasons." That post is #168. My first reasoning for voting Calamitas is stated at #158.

I don't actually know if I find this scummy. I probably would have 5 games ago, but I don't know if scum actually deliberately misunderstands someone to make a case against them at this point in the game. I think this might just be sloppy play.

So overall, I'm still just leaning slight scum on Calamitas and pretty null on most other players.

[iguanaiguana]

Looking at things more closely, more town on SpaceAnenome. Let's not lynch that one today.

[silverspawn]

Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

[silverspawn]

I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental

imaginary vote: hidden player

[silverspawn]

So to clarify

Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?

[silverspawn]

blargh. *a suspicion.

[SpaceAnemone]

Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

Right, several really high-level non-native speakers then! I'll be in the corner feeling embarrassed at my effective monoglottism...

[Seprix]

Seprix, I'd like to engage more with you too, since you seem like town (for the moment!). Any re-read on Igu that you could offer will probably just smack of OMGUS, though.

Do you have any town-ish reads on anyone, especially amongst the other experienced people?

Holy cow, Silverspawn is being as deflective as possible this game. Scum points there.

Calimitas is probably town. His reaction was genuine. I wish people didn't just yell at me for trying to push some kind of case, any kind of case really. If Calimitas was scum, he'd feel pretty emboldened by the support he got in reply. He didn't try to buddy up with others in denouncing my 'case', so I think he's towny for now.

Iguana is playing scummy. When he gets solvy this early, he's usually scum.

[Seprix]

vote: Iguana by the way

[SpaceAnemone]

So to clarify

Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?

Never played any form of mafia or werewolf online before, but used to play lots of slightly-atypical werewolf (maybe 2 hours per week in university termtime over quite a few years) up till about a year ago. I was rather good at it, though my main advantage was my above-average hearing :-)

For anyone who's not aware of it from other threads, I also know Haddock IRL... he's running the BSG game that's about to start, and I've been following his games, asking him questions, and learning the terminology for a few weeks now.

[Roadrunner7671]

Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

Right, several really high-level non-native speakers then! I'll be in the corner feeling embarrassed at my effective monoglottism...

I don't know what 'monoglottism' means

[SpaceAnemone]

Is anyone else in this game a non-native speaker?

hai

Right, several really high-level non-native speakers then! I'll be in the corner feeling embarrassed at my effective monoglottism...

I don't know what 'monoglottism' means

Google does :-)

Sorry not to give your helpful links, but I'm phone-posting because it's after 2am over here. Why are you all choosing now as a time to be interesting and conversational?? :-P

[iguanaiguana]

Iguana is playing scummy. When he gets solvy this early, he's usually scum.

Ugh. Can you point to even one single game?

[iguanaiguana]

FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.

[Seprix]

FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.

oops

unvote

[Roadrunner7671]

Unvote

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

[mail-mi]

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

I'm going to have to ask you to back up your claims.

About LaLight, same thing as RR. I'm in the codenames game with him.

You, it's just a feeling. But after reading some games, you feel scummy to lots of people when town. so idk. The unanounced L-1 also gives some minor scum points, so I'm happy with my vote kept on you.

[mail-mi]

Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.

[Seprix]

Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.

I don't know why town!SS gets any credit for acting dumb, but scum!SS does dumb stuff and says he never does it as scum, so there's that argument. SS is just generally being unhelpful, which is odd, since he usually is, even as a scum player.

[Seprix]

And as much as I think Iguana might be scum, he's also pushing the game forward in a potentially positive direction, so I don't think I could bring myself to put him as #1 lynch today. I can settle for that reptile, but I think I can find a better option.

[LaLight]

So to clarify

Those who're playing their first game here: have you played variations of this game elsewhere? If so, which / how often?

I played this game very often, say, 4-5 years ago, having even championships.
Then, I played werewolves too, liked it better. First time playing not in IRL, so I just need time to adjust.

[silverspawn]

Also, SS is acting weird.

Aw, thanks! It means a lot.

[silverspawn]

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

[silverspawn]

Also, SS is acting weird.

Aw, thanks! It means a lot.

[LaLight]

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

[silverspawn]

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

L-1 means one vote away from a lynch. So that's 5 - 1 = 4.

[SpaceAnemone]

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.

[LaLight]

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.

Oh, and if someone right after Seprix voted Iguana there would be no way back? Folly.

[SpaceAnemone]

That's awful on Seprix. I'll cut him some slack because it's a tiny game but still

I don't think there is a "still". L-1 is 4 votes, that happens super fast.

Isn't it 5? we are nine

It's 5 to lynch, so 4 is "lynch minus one", and it's customary to announce when you're voting someone up to L-1 because the next vote on them (the hammer) lynches them with no way out.

Oh, and if someone right after Seprix voted Iguana there would be no way back? Folly.

Yeah, one more Iguana vote at that point and he'd have been dead. We'd still have been able to talk for a while, then the mod would have declared his alignment (though not role), and the thread would lock for night-time.

This voting is really different from in-person games I've played. There, we would make a "guillotine call" on a person if we found them suitably suspicious -- guillotines being a less racially charged concept than lynches! If that call was seconded (only one second was required, no matter how many people were in the game), the player was given a chance at an uninterrupted defence speech, after which we moved to a hidden vote, so there was no information available about who actually voted to kill whom.

Here it's very different, and one of the primary ways of getting information is to look at who's on what "waggon" as the voting happens.

If Iguana flips scum, then chances are his scumbuddy is someone who wasn't on his early waggon, because they'd want to try to avoid losing their team-mate so early. However, if he's actually town, I look quite scummy for pushing on him for so long, but the last couple of people deserve a lot of suspicion too, because a scum player might want to hold back till there's a probable mis-lynch and then push a hammer quickly.

With this many newbies, experienced scum might be hoping for some high-variance voting and a bit of sheeping, which makes Seprix's silent L-1 look fishy.

Anyway, add a load of WIFOM to all that (especially regarding motivations of experienced scums), then reason it through for yourself just to be sure.

[SpaceAnemone]

Also, SS is acting weird. Not sure if it's town weird or scum weird yet.

I don't know why town!SS gets any credit for acting dumb, but scum!SS does dumb stuff and says he never does it as scum, so there's that argument. SS is just generally being unhelpful, which is odd, since he usually is, even as a scum player.

He's playing the longer meta-game (which he seems quite successful at) to the detriment of a small game he's not very engaged with. People like RR find his analyses valuable, so he may get an effective free-ish pass here for D1. I'm really not a fan of this level of disengagement, though!

[silverspawn]

I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

[LaLight]

ok, I've reread the whole thread again and now I'm beginning to think on Seprix. There's two reasons:
1) His accusation on Calamitas and so-called scum slip. I don't know about Quicktopic much and if the bold font is really a proof of scumness, but the words of other people convinced me that it isn't. Still, Seprix took the possibility to eliminate the man. Which, at this point, proves that if Seprix is scum, Calamitas is not (but not vice versa)
2) His vote on Iguana to make L-1. It was really quiet and he could think that if Iguana would be lynched, we will accuse a man who had voted last and Seprix still would have been clear.

Of course it can be not so and just two mistakes of Seprix, but I find it suspicious.

Unvote: Silverspawn
Vote: Seprix

[SpaceAnemone]

I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.

[silverspawn]

I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.

[Calamitas]

I reject those accusations. I play to win this game.

I've almost solved it. Just give me a little bit more-- well, not time so much as content.

Dislike. Solving for your own personal enjoyment is less sporting than opening the game up for everyone else's satisfaction too.

Is posting pictures allowed?

[Seprix]

ok, I've reread the whole thread again and now I'm beginning to think on Seprix. There's two reasons:
1) His accusation on Calamitas and so-called scum slip. I don't know about Quicktopic much and if the bold font is really a proof of scumness, but the words of other people convinced me that it isn't. Still, Seprix took the possibility to eliminate the man. Which, at this point, proves that if Seprix is scum, Calamitas is not (but not vice versa)
2) His vote on Iguana to make L-1. It was really quiet and he could think that if Iguana would be lynched, we will accuse a man who had voted last and Seprix still would have been clear.

Of course it can be not so and just two mistakes of Seprix, but I find it suspicious.

Unvote: Silverspawn
Vote: Seprix

1. That's a false dichotomy. Firstly, Calamitas could have made that mistake as scum. Secondly, just because I pointed it out doesn't make me scum. This is an awful case.

2. Okay, assume Iguana gets lynched. What happens next? Oh, yeah. I'd be on the chopping block anyways for putting Iguana to a lynch unannounced. It was just a careless error on my part. I didn't think that many people were voting for Iguana.

[silverspawn]

S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Calamitas]

S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.

You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

[gkrieg13]

S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.

You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

no media you create

[Calamitas]

S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.

You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

no media you create

Okay, makes sense.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.3


iguanaiguana (2): SpaceAnemone, Calamitas
Calamitas (2): silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (2): mail-mi, LaLight

Not Voting (3): Joseph2302, Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

p. s. I feel like I should count this vote, but it would probably just count as an unvote.  But for future reference, it doesn't mater what you put before the vote: playername if it is in bold.  Obviously unless it is "un", as I know someone will make that joke.

[silverspawn]

Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un

[gkrieg13]

Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un

Thank you.  Now there is no confusion.

[Calamitas]

Imaginary unvote: Vote Un: hidden player: vote player un

Could you please elaborate on the reasons behind your unvoting ;-)

[Roadrunner7671]

S
Is posting pictures allowed?

Yes. Sorry to disappoint you.

You certainly don't disappoint me.
Just wondered where the border between "personal media" and other pictures is. Are screenshots allowed then?

no media you create

I take credit for creating this rule

[SpaceAnemone]

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?

[Roadrunner7671]

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?

Absolutely not. There is a 0% chance of breadcrumbing D1, and as we can all see they're not helpful

[Calamitas]

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?

Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.

[Roadrunner7671]

I was eating, I'll try to elaborate on that a bit more.

Breadcrumbing: If he had a N0 action and found scum, he'd say it immediately. If he found a PR, he probably wouldn't breadcrumb on D1, seeing as he doesn't get lynched D1.

Imaginary votes: These aren't helpful at all, but I've never seen anything similar. But we can tell they're not forwarding the game.

Colored fonts: No. These aren't breadcrumbing and they're not helpful. They're just off putting.

[Roadrunner7671]

Also, someone said that when someone dies only their alignment is revealed. This is not the case in forum mafia. In forum mafia it would look like this:

Roadrunner, the Mafia JOAT,has been lynched!

Roadrunner, the Loud Copwas killed in the night!

Roadrunner, a Vanilla Townie has been lynched!

[silverspawn]

request prod on Joseph

[SpaceAnemone]

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?

Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.

I thought steganography was explicitly forbidden, but I can't find a reference for that just now.

With a jpeg image like the most recent one he posted, if you can find a library that gives you access to the DCT coefficients, you can analyse the statistics of them as a way of looking for steganographoic tampering, since conceptually that's the easiest place to bury information. But I'm guessing it would be a big waste of time in this instance because Silver is just flat-out messing with us. Steganography is neat, though :-)

[SpaceAnemone]

Also, someone said that when someone dies only their alignment is revealed. This is not the case in forum mafia. In forum mafia it would look like this:

Roadrunner, the Mafia JOAT,has been lynched!

Roadrunner, the Loud Copwas killed in the night!

Roadrunner, a Vanilla Townie has been lynched!

My bad! Thanks for the correction :-)

[silverspawn]

gah. Those smileys. My townread on you is dwindling.

[Joseph2302]

FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.

Seprix, please try & play a game where you don't do something scummy.

[Joseph2302]

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?

Absolutely not. There is a 0% chance of breadcrumbing D1, and as we can all see they're not helpful

Agree, ss is being unhelpful by not providing anything.
Which is a shame, because we needs active posters in this game, and I thought he might be one.

[Joseph2302]

request prod on Joseph

Prod not needed.
I was barely over the 24 anyways.

[Joseph2302]

Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.

[Calamitas]

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?

Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.

I thought steganography was explicitly forbidden, but I can't find a reference for that just now.

With a jpeg image like the most recent one he posted, if you can find a library that gives you access to the DCT coefficients, you can analyse the statistics of them as a way of looking for steganographoic tampering, since conceptually that's the easiest place to bury information. But I'm guessing it would be a big waste of time in this instance because Silver is just flat-out messing with us. Steganography is neat, though :-)

Steganography is not limited to pictures, everu breadcrump is some kind of steganography. Actually, the picture version was the reason I asked about the exact limitations of posting pictures ;-)
But since media you create (and manipulate for integration information) is forbidden, there is no reason to look for sth.  like that.

[Seprix]

FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.

Seprix, please try & play a game where you don't do something scummy.

This from you. But besides that, why don't you tell me how not to play a scummy game. I'll take it into consideration.

Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.

This is a bad vote, and you know it.

[silverspawn]

This is a bad vote, and you know it.

I agree.

But this is a good vote.

I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look like vote: Joseph

[Joseph2302]

FYI: Seprix has put me at an unnanounced L-1.

I imagine because he is a good and careful player, who always does a good job of things.

Seprix, please try & play a game where you don't do something scummy.

This from you. But besides that, why don't you tell me how not to play a scummy game. I'll take it into consideration.

See the last mafia game we were in- I played towny all game, even though I was scum.

Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.

This is a bad vote, and you know it.

Pretty sure it isn't.
Voting for anti-town person is good.

[mail-mi]

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

[Seprix]

vote: Joseph

Your play is unbelievably bad.

[LaLight]

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

+1

[Joseph2302]

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

[Calamitas]

Not sure what to make of all this. Seprix L-1 vote was surely strange, especially since the most recent Vote count was only 11 posts before his vote. IMO there are two possible explanations for that behavior:

1. (And far more likely): He just made a mistake, could be the case with either alignment. Therefore I wouldn't rate that as particular scummy (nor towny) since it is surely drawing attention towards him which is not helpful in either case.

2. (Don't know if it fits to Seprix previous behavior): He actually wanted to draw attention away from iguana. As you can see, two unvoted right after his vote and attention moved towards a Joseph-Seprix "bad-play" claim feast. Obviously that would only make sense if iguana and seprix form the mafia (or I am missing sth.). Haven't looked up the thread for previous hints in that direction, will do so later.

For now, my vote will remain on iguana since the previous arguments that convinced me to do so are still valid.

[Seprix]

What a bunch of confirmation bias.

[Seprix]

Not sure what to make of all this. Seprix L-1 vote was surely strange, especially since the most recent Vote count was only 11 posts before his vote. IMO there are two possible explanations for that behavior:

1. (And far more likely): He just made a mistake, could be the case with either alignment. Therefore I wouldn't rate that as particular scummy (nor towny) since it is surely drawing attention towards him which is not helpful in either case.

2. (Don't know if it fits to Seprix previous behavior): He actually wanted to draw attention away from iguana. As you can see, two unvoted right after his vote and attention moved towards a Joseph-Seprix "bad-play" claim feast. Obviously that would only make sense if iguana and seprix form the mafia (or I am missing sth.). Haven't looked up the thread for previous hints in that direction, will do so later.

For now, my vote will remain on iguana since the previous arguments that convinced me to do so are still valid.

Interesting idea, that I could be distracting from Iguana. That's a deepish move, one I am not capable of.

[iguanaiguana]

Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.

[Calamitas]

Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.

What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?

[Seprix]

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

+1

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

Scum is probably among this group. It's all just empty agreement and sheeping. Scum loves to see this kind of case and reaction.

[Seprix]

Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight

[iguanaiguana]

Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight

In other words, what you're saying is

"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."

[Seprix]

Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight

In other words, what you're saying is

"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."

No. If their cases were good, I'd understand. As it stands, their case is awful awfuf awful.

[Calamitas]

Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight

In other words, what you're saying is

"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."

A few posts ago you were harshly defending Seprix. Did the post from above change and is that something Seprix has not "done many times as town" ?

[Seprix]

Joseph played like an emotionless Awaclus-bot last time, and he ended up being scum. However, that might just also be his new 'style', so I could count it out, at least for now. So unvote, but I'd be fine with a Joseph lynch. I think we lynch among these three people today:

Joseph
Mail-mi
LaLight

In other words, what you're saying is

"Oh my gosh, everyone who suspects me, you all suck."

A few posts ago you were harshly defending Seprix. Did the post from above change and is that something Seprix has not "done many times as town" ?

Iguana is confusing me as well.

[Roadrunner7671]

Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.

What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?

Woah I'm in the elite 'experienced player' group?

[Roadrunner7671]

Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.

What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?

Woah I'm in the elite 'experienced player' group?

Seprix is known for making blunders, yes. But I think he does them as both alignments. Probably more so as town.

However, he is a good enough player to put Iguanaiguana at an unannounced L-1 and know everyone will be 'whatever, Seprix will do Seprix-y things.'

So I'm actually going slightly scummy on Seprix.

[Joseph2302]

Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.

What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?

Woah I'm in the elite 'experienced player' group?

And I'm not?
I've played more games here than RR

[SpaceAnemone]

I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look like vote: Joseph

Hey! Is this another silent L-1, or am I miscounting?

[Seprix]

I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look like vote: Joseph

Hey! Is this another silent L-1, or am I miscounting?

Did you take into account that I am not voting for Joseph anymore? At least, I'm pretty sure I'm not...?

unvote in case

[SpaceAnemone]

I'd vote for Joseph now but I'm curious what the next vote count will look like vote: Joseph

Hey! Is this another silent L-1, or am I miscounting?

Oh, wait, no.. I may be confusing votes for Seprix and Joseph. Sorry, guys!

[Calamitas]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

[mail-mi]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.

However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.

[Calamitas]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.

However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.

As I said, its probably nothing but otherwise I cannot make any sense of that behavior (even though it would be really bad mafia play either).

[SpaceAnemone]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.

However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.

As I said, its probably nothing but otherwise I cannot make any sense of that behavior (even though it would be really bad mafia play either).

I think Iguana's actions are independent reactions to Seprix; if you don't try to join them up looking for a pattern, they make quite a lot of sense in isolation. I mean, it seems to be taken as fact that Seprix has a scummy-feeling meta, so it will do Iguana no good to deny it. But if Seprix has wound Iguana up, then it's also totally understandable that Iguana might make a post like the one where he was basically just accusing Seprix of massive OMGUS. Of course, the people who'd have the most difficulty building a coherent narative through their posts would be the scums, who're busy trying to manufacture fake arguments...

I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

[LaLight]

ok, I'll explain my point and my "+1" to mail-mi.

I wrote some ideas on Seprix and maybe they weren't very approving on the expert eye, but they were to me. Then, Seprix explained to me his mistakes and then IMO became strangely aggressive. After that I put +1 to mail-mi's message, because after some time I have really become more sure about Seprix. Das ist alles.

As was mentioned many times I neither a professional nor know how other players play. So, it's just my opinion, not "sheeping".

[SpaceAnemone]

ok, I'll explain my point and my "+1" to mail-mi.

I wrote some ideas on Seprix and maybe they weren't very approving on the expert eye, but they were to me. Then, Seprix explained to me his mistakes and then IMO became strangely aggressive. After that I put +1 to mail-mi's message, because after some time I have really become more sure about Seprix. Das ist alles.

As was mentioned many times I neither a professional nor know how other players play. So, it's just my opinion, not "sheeping".

That "strangely aggressive" part is I think the main component is what people are talking about when they say he acts scummily all the time. If you re-read but try to separate tone from actual play content, do you feel any differently?

[silverspawn]

Seprix has not been scummy and the votes on him are bad. Once again, he does things like this as town all the time. I have not played a game where he was scum, but I would expect him to actually be more careful when he has more information to work with. His blunders are an indication that he is town. Read any of his games.

What do the others, more experienced players (especially silver, mail und Roadrunner) think?

igu is 100% correct

[silverspawn]

initially, I was of course mainly trying to provoke reactions.

it really depends on how you react, how believable it is, but generally, voting is the best reaction, not doing anything is the worst.

Joseph hasn't done anything and his push on Seprix is pretty telling. What Seprix did isn't alignment indicative and Joseph should know that.

[silverspawn]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

[mail-mi]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.

[Calamitas]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.

Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird. Calling them the scum team was perhaps kind of premature, but I still believe that my argumentation is valid. I am far from beeing sure, however, one cannot deny that there is some evidence.

[silverspawn]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.

Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird.

I don't think I did.

[silverspawn]

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right?

yeah.

[Calamitas]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.

Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird.

I don't think I did.

I meant mail-mi

[mail-mi]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.

Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird. Calling them the scum team was perhaps kind of premature, but I still believe that my argumentation is valid. I am far from beeing sure, however, one cannot deny that there is some evidence.

I do agree with you on that point. But you're being super hedgey about it the scum team you're calling, and about your reads on them if I'm not mistaken.

[Calamitas]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

You mean, if Calamitas is scum right? Or if Calamitas is town?

Speaking of him, that most recent post about calling the scum team was kinda scummy. I wouldn't be unhappy to lynch him today.

Previously you agreed with me, that their flip-floppiness was kinda weird. Calling them the scum team was perhaps kind of premature, but I still believe that my argumentation is valid. I am far from beeing sure, however, one cannot deny that there is some evidence.

I do agree with you on that point. But you're being super hedgey about it the scum team you're calling, and about your reads on them if I'm not mistaken.

Of course I am since I don't know anything for certain. I just have a relatively strong suspicion, but still don't think we should act prematurely.

[iguanaiguana]

My narrative on Seprix has been 100% consistent. I think much of what he's done has been detrimental to town, particularly because he does things that so easily draw votes among a playerbase that doesn't know him.
 
Nevertheless, Seprix always does things like this, which puts his behavior well within his town meta. Therefore, I townread him. I don't think I've ever indicated that I thought he was scum this game.

Basically, I've criticized Seprix because I can be a condescending jerk. Don't mistake that for a scum narrative. My only vested interest in keeping him alive is so that I can fulfill my town!Trampoline win condition.

[SpaceAnemone]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now.

And I'm calling Joseph - Calamitas.

Seriously though, if we lynch Calamitas, this mostly means town points to Seprix. Of course that doesn't matter anymore if we lynch the other scum first.

I don't buy that scum team as things stand, mainly because I'm reading you as considerably more scummy than Calamitas.

The fact your second sentence hints at a strategy where we lynch Joseph first has me worried, though, because I'm wary of falling into some scum trap :-/ That's because Joseph is someone I wouldn't mind seeing more scrutiny on, so that part of your subtly-hinted plan is something I could probably get behind. If you'd said Joseph-LaLight, I'd have found your overall call more compelling.

What was it you were fishing for when you were pushing newbies to elaborate on experience? The fact that Calamitas and I have IRL werewolf experience, and that LaLight admits to a lot of high-level IRL Mafia experience on top of werewolf  makes me wonder why you'd single Calamitas out. Unless you're going solely on the early shade Calamitas through on Joseph as a newbie trying to put distance between the scum buddies, and what you were fishing for wasn't over-performing noob, but actual lack of experience. Still, that doesn't really gel with your hidden player thing. I still think you're just being screwy with a lot of this :-(

In conclusion, I no longer feel that Iguana is the single most scummy prospect out there, so unvote.

[silverspawn]

You're taking the Calamitas comments too seriously. The scum-team call was a joke, and the "if we lynch Calamitas" was just that; if we do lynch him, we know something.

I should have said 'if he flips scum' instead to not make it sound like I want to lynch him.

as for the questions about experience, it's always helpful to know, because some kinds behavior gets more or less scummy depending on that.

[SpaceAnemone]

You're taking the Calamitas comments too seriously. The scum-team call was a joke, and the "if we lynch Calamitas" was just that; if we do lynch him, we know something.

I should have said 'if he flips scum' instead to not make it sound like I want to lynch him.

Gah. You're still being annoyingly noncommittal and screwy. Most of the experienced players won't back a D1 lynch on you, though, will they?

Vote: Joseph
My reasoning being:
1) The early scum claim is null, but I still dislike it as establishment of an unhelpful meta.
2) He comments that the scum team probably want to keep him alive as an easy mis-lynch.
3) A "catch-up" at post #174 that ignored the actual conversations that had happened in the meantime.
4) Long disappearance which he even admits was over the 24-hour limit ("barely" still counts as "over"!).
5) He contributes nothing in terms of personal analysis of others' posts...
6) ... and yet be complains that SS's empty content isn't helping!

[silverspawn]

You're taking the Calamitas comments too seriously. The scum-team call was a joke, and the "if we lynch Calamitas" was just that; if we do lynch him, we know something.

I should have said 'if he flips scum' instead to not make it sound like I want to lynch him.

Gah. You're still being annoyingly noncommittal and screwy. Most of the experienced players won't back a D1 lynch on you, though, will they?

I reject the first adjective claim. "If X is scum than Y looks town" is a useful thing to state, and that was all I did. I just committed on Joseph, so I'm not non-committal.

I'm not sure if I want to reject the second, it sounds kind of nice, though I don't quite know what it means.

Have a weirdly unfitting image of an angry old lady:

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left

[Calamitas]

Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.

[Joseph2302]

Having a crazy week, sorry.
Will try to post something useful today or tomorrow.

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (3[/s2]): Seprix, RoadRunner7671 [/color][/color]

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left

FTFY =)

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (32): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left

FTFY =)

Oh, I can't modify messages.
FTFME

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (32): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 48 hours left

FTFY =)

Oh, I can't modify messages.
FTFME

Oh but I can

[iguanaiguana]

Don't forget that seven of us are town, everyone. From each townie's perspective, there are 6 other town players, and 2 scum, so 1/4 chance that each other player could be scum right now. Lots of people are jumping around with their votes and being easily swayed by arguments. Some of those arguments are good and some are not.

Read each player. Look for a town motivation in their posts. D1 is more about figuring out who is likely to be town, because we don't have any hard information at this stage to hold people up against. The later days will be telling, when it comes to analyzing who votes for whom after people flip.

Maybe I just said a lot of nothing, but these comments felt like they needed mentioning to me.

I could vote for Joseph, but I'm not going to right now, with him saying that he'll post more content in the near future. I think the votes on Seprix are bad, and I've already given reasons for that. If Seprix is scum, he'll be easy enough to catch on D3. No need to lynch him on D1 with a 25% success rate.

[iguanaiguana]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

For whatever it's worth, I think this is the towniest thing you've posted by far, because this legitimate-looking of an attempt at game solving is hard for scum to fake, especially on D1 of your first game online.

I do think the line of thinking is misguided. Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.

The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.

I've gotten scum teams like this stuck in my head before, so I guess I'll just say, if you are town, it's probably best to try to shake it. Getting an idea of who is scum stuck in your head is almost always detrimental early in the game, as whatever you are thinking is much more likely to be wrong than correct.

Anyway, I've been thinking about this post and the general tone of your posts so far and I think I may be wrong about you.

Unvote

I'm not sure who to vote for at this time.

[Seprix]

vote: Iguana

[Calamitas]

vote: Iguana

Eleboration please...

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.

It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

[SpaceAnemone]

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

[Roadrunner7671]

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

[Seprix]

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.

[SpaceAnemone]

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

Oops.. yeah, pronouns can be so problematic! :-P

I was just coming round to the idea that Iguana was being towny, having scum-read him pretty early and having had my vote on him for most of the game-day so far.

I still feel like Seprix is just a grumpy townie; that's been a more or less constant read from me. Maybe I'm trying too hard to overcome my cognitive bias from his grumpy-looking avatar or something.

[Roadrunner7671]

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.

Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.

How certain are you?

[Seprix]

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

Oops.. yeah, pronouns can be so problematic! :-P

I was just coming round to the idea that Iguana was being towny, having scum-read him pretty early and having had my vote on him for most of the game-day so far.

I still feel like Seprix is just a grumpy townie; that's been a more or less constant read from me. Maybe I'm trying too hard to overcome my cognitive bias from his grumpy-looking avatar or something.

I can change my avatar back to happy Peasant if you'd like.

[Joseph2302]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

For whatever it's worth, I think this is the towniest thing you've posted by far, because this legitimate-looking of an attempt at game solving is hard for scum to fake, especially on D1 of your first game online.

I do think the line of thinking is misguided. Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.

The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.

I've gotten scum teams like this stuck in my head before, so I guess I'll just say, if you are town, it's probably best to try to shake it. Getting an idea of who is scum stuck in your head is almost always detrimental early in the game, as whatever you are thinking is much more likely to be wrong than correct.

Anyway, I've been thinking about this post and the general tone of your posts so far and I think I may be wrong about you.

Unvote

I'm not sure who to vote for at this time.

I'm happy enough to not lynch Calamitas.
Per the above, big long posts on D1 as scum on your first online game would be incredibly risky, so probably town.
Also, lots of posting = good, so we should be encouraging it.

PPE: 1

[iguanaiguana]

Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.

It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.

It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.

I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you better

[iguanaiguana]

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.

I'm not 100% on Seprix' thought process, but I believe it goes something like this:

A) Iguana sure seems different than the last few games. I don't like that.
B) He's trying to direct the players and guide them! Therefore, he must be manipulating them!

It is sad to me that in games where I don't try, I live through the whole game, scum or town, and in games where I put in effort I get lynched. It does not speak well of our site meta.

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't want to lynch you today, but you are sort of scummy to me and lynching you wouldn't be the worst thing ever

[SpaceAnemone]

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

Oops.. yeah, pronouns can be so problematic! :-P

I was just coming round to the idea that Iguana was being towny, having scum-read him pretty early and having had my vote on him for most of the game-day so far.

I still feel like Seprix is just a grumpy townie; that's been a more or less constant read from me. Maybe I'm trying too hard to overcome my cognitive bias from his grumpy-looking avatar or something.

I can change my avatar back to happy Peasant if you'd like.

I could probably read lots into your continued adherence to a white masculine humanoid form...

[Roadrunner7671]

@Iguanaiguana you aren't gonna get lynched today!

[iguanaiguana]

Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.

It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.

I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you better

silver reads me very well. Disagree on the other two. The only game where either Faust or Ash and me were both town was Harry Potter Mafia where I got lynched early on D1 and they were townies on the wagon.

[SpaceAnemone]

Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...

[mail-mi]

Don't know what seprix and rr are talking about. Town points to iguana.

In fact, rr seems way too hedgey about it. Feels almost like putting in a back up scum read for a mislynch later. vote: rr

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

[Roadrunner7671]

Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...

Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

[mail-mi]

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.

Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'

Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is!'

Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'

[Joseph2302]

Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...

Very often D1 does end up going to deadline, and getting a lynch sometimes from nowhere.
And lynching > mislynching almost always.
Even if we mislynch (which is statistically likely), it'll give us some information for D2.

PPE: 1?

[mail-mi]

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.

Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'

Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is!'

Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'

Important bit you missed there bolded for your convenience.

[Joseph2302]

And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.

Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'

Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is! But I don't really want to lynch him for it, so I guess I'll just put him in my unsure group'

Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'

Important bit you missed there bolded for your convenience.

Thanks, fixed.

[SpaceAnemone]

Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...

Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!

That's inconvenient... I'm on a conference call for work in the exact hour leading up to the deadline. Can we work out who we're going to lynch early, so I can make sure my vote is on the right person when the final frenzy happens? ;-)

[Roadrunner7671]

Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...

Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!

That's inconvenient... I'm on a conference call for work in the exact hour leading up to the deadline. Can we work out who we're going to lynch early, so I can make sure my vote is on the right person when the final frenzy happens? ;-)

Just put your vote on someone you want to lynch that you think other people might lynch and you should be good

[Joseph2302]

I'm also busy all day on deadline day.

[iguanaiguana]

And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

Yeesh, how carefull have you thought about this?

Your lynch list is like a list of all the top most commonly mislynched players on F.ds, with the notable exception that it's missing you.

[mail-mi]

And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

Yeesh, how carefull have you thought about this?

Your lynch list is like a list of all the top most commonly mislynched players on F.ds, with the notable exception that it's missing you.

And me!

RR: Why do you think iguana is kinda scummy?

[LaLight]

maaaan it's so hard. I need lots of experience.

I think on someone, then I read and then I think on someone else. Through the posts only things that I am sure in my head are that Iguana is unlikely scummy, Calamitas and Joseph are likely scummy. But when I think deep on every player, reading only his posts I find something scummy in everyone.

Well. I'll stick to Seprix, though I can see that other people say it's his style of game. Still my suspicions are on. And I don't like how Silverspawn became silent. Just like in the start he posted all the way, but then, when we started to think on other players, he just decided to wait for mislynch. Can it be possible? Whom can I trust? I'm alone in this dark city

[SpaceAnemone]

And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

I think with 3/9 players being newbies, that might be too many for you guys not to consider us. Naively (i.e. with me deliberately including myself for the purposes of an explanation) there's a 7/12 chance that the scum team has one or more newbies in it.. that's more than 58%. (36 ways of picking a unique pair from 9, and only 15 of those ways give no newbies in the pair, since there are 6 non-newbies and it's 0.5*n*(n-1)).

From the perspective of an experienced player who also knows themself to be town, it's even more likely that the scumteam has newbies, with a 64% chance. Even if you also believe I'm town, it's still just over 50%. Of course with me town, the only possible all-newbie team is Calamitas-LaLight, so it's very likely (over 90%) that even in the case of there being a newbie on the scumteam, there's also a non-newbie on the team for us to kill D1. But I feel like a scum newbie might be easier to catch with greater confidence, so it's just not something I want to rule out.

Sorry if it's vaguely scummy to post stats that allow you to consider the possibility I could be scum when obviously I'm not, but I wanted the numbers to to more of the talking :-)

[Calamitas]

And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

I think with 3/9 players being newbies, that might be too many for you guys not to consider us. Naively (i.e. with me deliberately including myself for the purposes of an explanation) there's a 7/12 chance that the scum team has one or more newbies in it.. that's more than 58%. (36 ways of picking a unique pair from 9, and only 15 of those ways give no newbies in the pair, since there are 6 non-newbies and it's 0.5*n*(n-1)).

From the perspective of an experienced player who also knows themself to be town, it's even more likely that the scumteam has newbies, with a 64% chance. Even if you also believe I'm town, it's still just over 50%. Of course with me town, the only possible all-newbie team is Calamitas-LaLight, so it's very likely (over 90%) that even in the case of there being a newbie on the scumteam, there's also a non-newbie on the team for us to kill D1. But I feel like a scum newbie might be easier to catch with greater confidence, so it's just not something I want to rule out.

Sorry if it's vaguely scummy to post stats that allow you to consider the possibility I could be scum when obviously I'm not, but I wanted the numbers to to more of the talking :-)

Luckily we could collect some evidence, I wish you great fun with updating the probabilities via Bayes Theorem ;-)

[silverspawn]

Reading the set-up again, it looks like we're a small enough game that if there's no lynch consensus, we lose out on the chance to kill scum today. Does this stuff normally run right up to the deadline? I guess I haven't quite had the sense of urgency from just reading games so far...

Trust me, sometimes it goes to the deadline and there are literally 100 posts in an hour. I forget what game that was but the forum crashed a few times for me. And we lynched Awaclus who was a really strong PR. I think I was a motivator. But I can't remember the game!

That's inconvenient... I'm on a conference call for work in the exact hour leading up to the deadline. Can we work out who we're going to lynch early, so I can make sure my vote is on the right person when the final frenzy happens? ;-)

those smileys

[silverspawn]

smileys aside, though, I think you're solid town at this point. I'm also going to say RR is town based on tone in his numbers post but it's RR so confidence is low.

I'm the best at reading igauana. Obviously. And he's also town.

got my eye on lalight and Joseph

[Calamitas]

smileys aside, though, I think you're solid town at this point. I'm also going to say RR is town based on tone in his numbers post but it's RR so confidence is low.

I'm the best at reading igauana. Obviously. And he's also town.

got my eye on lalight and Joseph

Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.

[SpaceAnemone]

Luckily we could collect some evidence, I wish you great fun with updating the probabilities via Bayes Theorem ;-)

The story goes that Reverend Thomas Bayes invented his theorem originally so that he could put faith in god into his statistical reasoning...

[SpaceAnemone]

those smileys

Makes a change from cheerful old Seprix at least, right? :-)

[LaLight]

smileys aside, though, I think you're solid town at this point. I'm also going to say RR is town based on tone in his numbers post but it's RR so confidence is low.

I'm the best at reading igauana. Obviously. And he's also town.

got my eye on lalight and Joseph

Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.

ok, rereading my post I see your point. I am not a scum, believe it or not. In D1 I try to figure out defferencies between mafia live and forum mafia, and I'm dashed by how many are there. That's what my previous post was about.

[SpaceAnemone]

got my eye on lalight and Joseph

Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.

Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..

[SpaceAnemone]

Harrrumph! It's more than 7 hours since my last post, less than 24 hours from the deadline, and none of you is saying anything...

You're all Scummy McScumfaces :-(

[Joseph2302]

got my eye on lalight and Joseph

Agreeing with lalight, his attempts to appear unexperienced and innocent seem to be kind of forced (especially that last one). Cannot speak of Joseph, we just don't have enough data due to his (forced) inactivity.

Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..

LaLight-Joseph? How?

[Joseph2302]

My reads/lynch options:

1. silverspawn - null read, could lynch
2. Calamitas - seems towny + newbie pass
3. Seprix - never seems towny to me, could definitely lynch
4. Roadrunner7671 - ditto, although I prefer Seprix > RR
5. Iguanaiguana - seems kind of towny
6. Mail-mi - null read, could lynch
7. SpaceAnemone - mild town read + newbie pass
8. LaLight - null read but newbie pass
9. Joseph2302 - town for sure

[Joseph2302]

And I believe we should let newbies pass D1 without lynching, because they're more likely to screw up later as scum, and also it encourages them to play more.

Either way, the maths says there's most likely 1 newbie!scum and 2 non-newbie!scum, so if that's the case then we're increasing our odds of getting scum from 3/8 to 2/5 (from my perspective, as I'm town).

[silverspawn]

cool.

Let's lynch Joseph.

[Joseph2302]

Wait, there's only 2 scum in 9.
Maths check needed......

PPE: 1

[Joseph2302]

So maths (assuming I'm good):

Probability that both scum are new: 3/8 x 2/7 = 6/56 = 3/28
Probability that both scum aren't new: 5/8 x 4/7 = 20/56 = 10/28
So probability we have 1 newbie!scum, and 1 non-newbie!scum is 15/28.

[silverspawn]

And this is relevant because?

You know I'm the biggest defender of maths when it is. But I don't see how those mean anything for whom we should lynch.

[Joseph2302]

In that case, if we have 1 newbie!scum and 1 non-newbie!scum, then we're marginally reducing our odds of finding scum from 2/8 to 1/5.

That's 5%, but worth it I think- especially as I think 2 of the newbies are towny enough.

PPE: 1

[Joseph2302]

And this is relevant because?

You know I'm the biggest defender of maths when it is. But I don't see how those mean anything for whom we should lynch.

See my PPE comment.
Trying to work out if ruling any newbies is a good idea or not.

[silverspawn]

You are either trying to deflect from something or you are confused about some things.

All you're doing is laying groups over players, putting them into sets, and then doing maths with those. But the probability for each player is already fixed. None of that calculating changes this probability, so it seems pointless.

[silverspawn]

Show me a single post where you tried to figure out someone's alignment.

I'm not sure if you even have a post that is about someone's alignment.

What kind of town game are you playing?

[Joseph2302]

So if we don't lynch the 3 newbies, our chance of hitting scum is (assuming I'm good):

(3/28 x 0) + (10/28 x 2/6) + (15/28 x 1/5) = 0 + 10/84 + 3/28 = 19/84 ~ 22.6% I believe.
If we don't exclude the newbies, our chance is 2/8 = 25%.

So it does narrow our odds.
On the other hand, I think Calamitas & Space are towny enough.

PPE: 2

[Joseph2302]

Show me a single post where you tried to figure out someone's alignment.

I'm not sure if you even have a post that is about someone's alignment.

What kind of town game are you playing?

I'm playing a confused one, with a confused amount of maths in it.

But I think Calamitas & Space seem towny to me- they've been active and lots of the stuff they've been saying has been towny.

[Joseph2302]

Although if I assume they're town, then that changes all my maths.

Guess I'll have to recalculate it.

[Joseph2302]

That was a joke btw.

[silverspawn]

So if we don't lynch the 3 newbies, our chance of hitting scum is (assuming I'm good):

(3/28 x 0) + (10/28 x 2/6) + (15/28 x 1/5) = 0 + 10/84 + 3/28 = 19/84 ~ 22.6% I believe.
If we don't exclude the newbies, our chance is 2/8 = 25%.

So it does narrow our odds.
On the other hand, I think Calamitas & Space are towny enough.

I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets. Maths doesn't work that way! You can't change your results without information that is alignment indicative. And you didn't include information that is alignment indicative!

(assuming I'm good)

Without following... this is probably the reason why you get different results (assuming you didn't make other mistakes). Obviously, if you assume this then the larger group yields better results because the larger group has a smaller chance of hitting the IC.

But since we can't assume this it isn't useful for anyone else.

[Joseph2302]

Post counts:

Me 32
ss 50
Calamitas 35
Seprix 35
RR 51
ii 36
mail-mi 24
SpaceAnemone 43
LaLight 25

Well, that have me not a lot of info.
ii more active than recently, but nothing else to get from those counts.
No extreme lurkers though, which is good.

PPE: 1

[silverspawn]

post

[silverspawn]

and #1 

[Joseph2302]

So if we don't lynch the 3 newbies, our chance of hitting scum is (assuming I'm good):

(3/28 x 0) + (10/28 x 2/6) + (15/28 x 1/5) = 0 + 10/84 + 3/28 = 19/84 ~ 22.6% I believe.
If we don't exclude the newbies, our chance is 2/8 = 25%.

So it does narrow our odds.
On the other hand, I think Calamitas & Space are towny enough.

I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets. Maths doesn't work that way! You can't change your results without information that is alignment indicative. And you didn't include information that is alignment indicative!

(assuming I'm good)

Without following... this is probably the reason why you get different results (assuming you didn't make other mistakes). Obviously, if you assume this then the larger group yields better results because the larger group has a smaller chance of hitting the IC.

But since we can't assume this it isn't useful for anyone else.

Yh, I'm pretty sure the maths is plain wrong.
Also, I calculated as 2/8, as it assumed I was good (who wouldn't assume that they're good?)

PPE: 2

[silverspawn]

well don't bother correcting it, please. The best mathematician in the world can't calculate odds that are different from 2/9

[SpaceAnemone]

I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets.

He's just following through the numbers I posted yesterday about the chance of at least one of the scumteam being a newbie. It's an absolutely valid thing to consider given that he's proposing giving all three of us a D1 pass.

Calamitas was also right about the fun part coming when the inference begins. It's not ridiculously hard, though human beans aren't very good Bayesians naturally. Apparently reasoning in chickens has been shown to be much more Bayesian, though annoyingly I can't find the right citation for that just now. I'm sure it would have added lots to our conversation :-)

PPE: 5

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.5


iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left

[SpaceAnemone]

Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..

LaLight-Joseph? How?

By picking two players I'm suspicious of and sticking a hyphen in between their names, pretty much.

Other players I think are moderately suspicious are Silver and Mail-mi. Iguana has migrated to a bit of a null. I'm leaning town on the other three, so I would probably oppose a lynch on them without some really juicy new evidence.

[mail-mi]

Yeah, as I'd said before, I'd believe a LaLight-Joseph team much more than Silver's original Calamitas-Joseph call. Though I'm still not all that comfortable with Silver right now..

LaLight-Joseph? How?

By picking two players I'm suspicious of and sticking a hyphen in between their names, pretty much.

Other players I think are moderately suspicious are Silver and Mail-mi. Iguana has migrated to a bit of a null. I'm leaning town on the other three, so I would probably oppose a lynch on them without some really juicy new evidence.

Explain on me please?

I'm gonna put a reads list up soon. Didn't realize how close deadline was.

[Roadrunner7671]

All of the three 'wagons' are my preferred lynches, maybe less so with Iguanaiguana, but I don't know if I will be around for the deadline

[silverspawn]

I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets.

He's just following through the numbers I posted yesterday about the chance of at least one of the scumteam being a newbie. It's an absolutely valid thing to consider given that he's proposing giving all three of us a D1 pass.

Calamitas was also right about the fun part coming when the inference begins. It's not ridiculously hard, though human beans aren't very good Bayesians naturally. Apparently reasoning in chickens has been shown to be much more Bayesian, though annoyingly I can't find the right citation for that just now. I'm sure it would have added lots to our conversation :-)

PPE: 5

... defending Joseph's maths is pretty scummy.

[Joseph2302]

I refuse to even follow your maths. It is absolutely 100% impossible that the odds of 2/9 for every person change based on putting them into sets.

He's just following through the numbers I posted yesterday about the chance of at least one of the scumteam being a newbie. It's an absolutely valid thing to consider given that he's proposing giving all three of us a D1 pass.

Calamitas was also right about the fun part coming when the inference begins. It's not ridiculously hard, though human beans aren't very good Bayesians naturally. Apparently reasoning in chickens has been shown to be much more Bayesian, though annoyingly I can't find the right citation for that just now. I'm sure it would have added lots to our conversation :-)

PPE: 5

... defending Joseph's maths is pretty scummy.

Yh my maths is crap.
Town points to ss for wanting to stop my nonsense, and talk useful things instead.

[Roadrunner7671]

Ther is a 2 in 9 chance that a person is scum. Hooray for math.

[Joseph2302]

Ther is a 2 in 9 chance that a person is scum. Hooray for math.

2 in 8, assuming you're good.

[SpaceAnemone]

Explain on me please?

Many small things! You scumread people I think are being quite towny, and then also town-read LaLight without evidence beyond a feeling you said is based on having played Codewords. You went after RR quite strongly over the "leadership" issue even though there wasn't really anything worth debating there. You were on the suspicious-looking Seprix wagon at the point he was posting his suspicions about it. You had an argument against RR that you explicitly couldn't (or didn't want to) articulate to allow for any scrutiny. And you managed all that while also posting fewer times than any other player.

Yeah, I think mild suspicion is in order there :-)

[silverspawn]

it must be nice being so happy all the time >_<

[mail-mi]

Explain on me please?

Many small things! You scumread people I think are being quite towny, and then also town-read LaLight without evidence beyond a feeling you said is based on having played Codewords. You went after RR quite strongly over the "leadership" issue even though there wasn't really anything worth debating there. You were on the suspicious-looking Seprix wagon at the point he was posting his suspicions about it. You had an argument against RR that you explicitly couldn't (or didn't want to) articulate to allow for any scrutiny. And you managed all that while also posting fewer times than any other player.

Yeah, I think mild suspicion is in order there :-)

Reasonable; I haven't looked at LaLight since like the very beginning of day; I thought there was; I thought he was scummy. Still think he is; I couldn't do the argument justice while I was on my phone, and now I'm on computer so I'll take a closer look at it again and see if it is bad like I thought it was.

Also, I'm more of an observer than a sayer. So I just don't post much, as scum or town. (I know it's not good, and I'm working on it.)

[mail-mi]

Okay, rereading the bit with RR and iguana, it's not as bad as I thought it was. I still don't like it, though, but I'm going to unvote

What's worse is this:

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.

Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.

How certain are you?

Seprix did not answer this question, yet he has posted after that (only once though) and has been on since then. Town people don't avoid questions, scum does. vote: seprix

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not sure if that's scummy or not, but I do want him to answer my question. Being ignored is saddening

[mail-mi]

Time for a reads list!!

1. silverspawn--was acting weird. Still haven't figured out why, could be scummy. Wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch.
2. Calamitas--townier than ss, but still wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch. would prefer not to lynch today though because newbie.
3. Seprix--preferred lynch
4. Roadrunner7671--As stated above, isn't as bad as I thought he was. Would hesitantly vote for him.
5. Iguanaiguana--town
6. Mail-mi--IC
7. SpaceAnemone--newbie, and town. Would not lynch.
8. LaLight--despite what others have said, i think he's genuine town. Would only lynch if it's the only possible option
9. Joseph2302--eh, null. would lynch if necessary.

[mail-mi]

I'm not sure if that's scummy or not, but I do want him to answer my question. Being ignored is saddening

it's scummy.

I also include all of my previous reasoning for voting seprix with that vote, btw.

[mail-mi]

Time for a reads list!!

1. silverspawn--was acting weird. Still haven't figured out why, could be scummy. Wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch.
2. Calamitas--townier than ss, but still wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch. would prefer not to lynch today though because newbie.
3. Seprix--preferred lynch
4. Roadrunner7671--As stated above, isn't as bad as I thought he was. Would hesitantly vote for him.
5. Iguanaiguana--town
6. Mail-mi--IC
7. SpaceAnemone--newbie, and town. Would not lynch.
8. LaLight--despite what others have said, i think he's genuine town. Would only lynch if it's the only possible option
9. Joseph2302--eh, null. would lynch if necessary.

So, a scum to chum list. (does nobody call it that anymore? if so, that's sad.)

Seprix
silverspawn/joseph
Calamitas
RR
Lalight
iguana
Spaceanenome
mail-mi

[Roadrunner7671]

Ther is a 2 in 9 chance that a person is scum. Hooray for math.

2 in 8, assuming you're good.

I was talking about at the beginning of the game when gkrieg was assigning roles

[mail-mi]

Vote Count 1.5


iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left

This is the current vote count. We're not really close to a lynch.

where is everyone? there's less than 24 hrs to deadline.

[Calamitas]

Sorry for my inactivity, was travelling all day (Summerholdidays hurray ;-)).
My current reads are (in decending order of scummyness):
 
Seprix: scummy; playing really strange throughout the game (including the L-1); would be happy with a lynch

La light: scummy; appeared to be town but overdid it lately which made the whole thing look forced. Also didn't contribute too much; would be happy with a lynch

Silver, Joseph: I have basically a nullread on them, in the case of silver because of his ridiculous behavior, in Josephs case because of his absence. I would agree with lynching them since it is probably better to lynch them instead of not lynching at all. However, I won't force it since they are definitely better targets out there (see above).

Iguana: Still find him suspicious l but it did cool up a bit after his recent reactions. However, that might have been just a clever way to escape pressure; A target that I could live with but I would prefer other ones today. We have to watch him closely though.

Space, road, mail: seem towny by now; definitely no target for day 1 lynch. We have to look how the flips turn out to get further their.

[Calamitas]

Sorry for my inactivity, was travelling all day (Summerholdidays hurray ;-)).
My current reads are (in decending order of scummyness):
 
Seprix: scummy; playing really strange throughout the game (including the L-1); would be happy with a lynch

La light: scummy; appeared to be town but overdid it lately which made the whole thing look forced. Also didn't contribute too much; would be happy with a lynch

Silver, Joseph: I have basically a nullread on them, in the case of silver because of his ridiculous behavior, in Josephs case because of his absence. I would agree with lynching them since it is probably better to lynch them instead of not lynching at all. However, I won't force it since they are definitely better targets out there (see above).

Iguana: Still find him suspicious l but it did cool up a bit after his recent reactions. However, that might have been just a clever way to escape pressure; A target that I could live with but I would prefer other ones today. We have to watch him closely though.

Space, road, mail: seem towny by now; definitely no target for day 1 lynch. We have to look how the flips turn out to get further their.

Sorry, the order of Seprix and lalight should be the other way around.
vote: LaLight

[iguanaiguana]

Want to lynch:

Maybe Roadrunner, maybe Mail-mi, maybe Calamitas, maybe Joseph. If there isn't scum in at least one of those, I'm doing it wrong. 

Don't want to lynch:

Seprix, LaLight, silverspawn, SpaceAnenome. If both scum are in those four, good job scum, & I suck.

Vote: Joseph2302

[LaLight]

well, I think i screwed up somehow. don't wanna be lynched. Will you take for the account that i was at first shy cause i don't know any of you and at second somehow embarrassed by my lack of level in english so i tried to make you not to judge me harshly? I see now where I was wrong.

My first and main idea was to see D1 what is happening. I an forced to write posts, so when I didn't know what to write, I've written same things with different words. If you lynch me, reread this post =)

So my thoughts:

1)Silver: Scummy, the scummiest one so far.
2)Mail-mi: seems scummy too, because of little amount of posts mostly
3)RR: Null, nothing to say so far
4)SpaceAnemone: null
5)Calamitas: Slightly scummy but I have doubts
6)Joseph: Looks like town
7)Iguana: Town i thought, town i think
8)Seprix: More scummy than town, wrote about my moteves before

[Joseph2302]

I have no guarantee of any availability before the deadline.

I like my vote where it is right now.

[Calamitas]

Vote Count 1.5


iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left

This is the current vote count. We're not really close to a lynch.

where is everyone? there's less than 24 hrs to deadline.

If you update a vote count in a quote, please do it more carefuly. Actually there are 3 votes on Seprix, not 2.
In respect to the deadline, I will change my vote from LaLight to Seprix since no one except me is voting currently on LaLight.

vote: Seprix putting him on L-1

[mail-mi]

Vote Count 1.5


iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left

This is the current vote count. We're not really close to a lynch.

where is everyone? there's less than 24 hrs to deadline.

If you update a vote count in a quote, please do it more carefuly. Actually there are 3 votes on Seprix, not 2.
In respect to the deadline, I will change my vote from LaLight to Seprix since no one except me is voting currently on LaLight.

vote: Seprix putting him on L-1

Oh, oops. I moved my name, but forgot to edit the number.

[iguanaiguana]

I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.

Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.

[mail-mi]

I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.

Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.

Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?

[Roadrunner7671]

LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! 

[iguanaiguana]

I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.

Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.

Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?

I say

Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.

The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.

and Seprix responds immediately with a naked vote on me, then later says "I am almost certain now that Iguana is scum." He doesn't give reasons, but the motive of voting me because he thinks  I am buddying him is the obvious one. So I am making an inference. 

[iguanaiguana]

LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! 

Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.

[Roadrunner7671]

LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! 

Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.

Ouch. One day is a lot of time

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay I might have intent to hammer Seprix. But if it comes down to it I don't think I have the balls

[iguanaiguana]

LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! 

Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.

Ouch. One day is a lot of time

well we have until tomorrow at noon and a lot of people won't be on tomorrow morning.

[iguanaiguana]

I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh

[mail-mi]

I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.

Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.

Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?

I say

Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.

The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.

and Seprix responds immediately with a naked vote on me, then later says "I am almost certain now that Iguana is scum." He doesn't give reasons, but the motive of voting me because he thinks  I am buddying him is the obvious one. So I am making an inference.

That makes sense. I'll have to think about it.

Meanwhile...

Okay I might have intent to hammer Seprix. But if it comes down to it I don't think I have the balls

Stop making me want to vote you.

[Roadrunner7671]

YOU'RE NOT EVEN VOTING IGUANAIGUANA DON'T TELL ME I NEED TO VOTE IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN VOTING

[Roadrunner7671]

Oops

[Roadrunner7671]

Just forget about that

[mail-mi]

I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh

There's a few people (including me) willing to vote ss.

I guess...I don't know. I still think seprix is scummy, but I see your perspective and it's making me reconsider.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.6


iguanaiguana (1): Seprix
Seprix (4): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi, Calamitas {L-1}
Joseph2302 (3): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 18 hours left

[iguanaiguana]

I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh

There's a few people (including me) willing to vote ss.

I guess...I don't know. I still think seprix is scummy, but I see your perspective and it's making me reconsider.

Do you have any context? Seprix is always so scummy. He gets mislynched literally every game he's in. I challenge anyone to find an exception to that in the past few months.

I would vote silver. Similar odds with him as with Joseph.

[iguanaiguana]

If we go after silver, I'd at least like to hear about all his plans and machinations that he's been keeping to himself so far this game. How on earth does he think he has it solved?

[LaLight]

ok, I don't know what time you guys have but I have 2.30 am and go to sleep. Before I go I have to decide is it Seprix or Joseph... And I still think on Seprix. So, I hope I'll wake up and the game will be one scum shorter.

Good night!

[mail-mi]

I think Seprix is the wrong choice. But I also think we very likely have two town wagons right now, so.......................................... meh

There's a few people (including me) willing to vote ss.

I guess...I don't know. I still think seprix is scummy, but I see your perspective and it's making me reconsider.

Do you have any context? Seprix is always so scummy. He gets mislynched literally every game he's in. I challenge anyone to find an exception to that in the past few months.

I would vote silver. Similar odds with him as with Joseph.

I don't have any knowledge of meta. But thinking about it more, you've changed my mind, at least for now.

Let's try it. vote: ss

[silverspawn]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

[Roadrunner7671]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?

[silverspawn]

Lynch should right now be either Joseph - reread his posts (do it, it only takes three minutes), they are almost exclusive.ly about things other than alignments, and the few alignment posts he has are after I called him out on it.

Or LaLight based on hia latest post:

well, I think i screwed up somehow. don't wanna be lynched. Will you take for the account that i was at first shy cause i don't know any of you and at second somehow embarrassed by my lack of level in english so i tried to make you not to judge me harshly? I see now where I was wrong.

My first and main idea was to see D1 what is happening. I an forced to write posts, so when I didn't know what to write, I've written same things with different words. If you lynch me, reread this post =)

So my thoughts:

snip reads list

overreaction to pressure is one of the oldest and best scum tells.

[silverspawn]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?

Because that doesn't apply to Joseph at all. His play does not remotely qualify as weird.

[Roadrunner7671]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?

Because that doesn't apply to Joseph at all. His play does not remotely qualify as weird.

W h a t

Sorry, but I just blatantly disagree with that

[mail-mi]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.

[silverspawn]

This is Joseph:



watching and staying out of trouble.

[silverspawn]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

If weird doesn't equal scummy why are you voting for Joseph?

Because that doesn't apply to Joseph at all. His play does not remotely qualify as weird.

W h a t

Sorry, but I just blatantly disagree with that

he's just being lazy and making empty posts. Inexperienced scum does that all the time. Which is the only problem with the case; Joseph might also know better.

[silverspawn]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually play much more safe are much more active and towny safe than this.

fwfy

The point about activity is particularly unwarranted. I literally have the highest post count.

[silverspawn]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.

And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.

[mail-mi]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually play much more safe are much more active and towny safe than this.

fwfy

The point about activity is particularly unwarranted. I literally have the highest post count.

Should say "actively townie."

[mail-mi]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.

And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.

You're different. I don't like the different and believe that it is you trying something new as scum.

[silverspawn]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.

And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.

You're different. I don't like the different and believe that it is you trying something new as scum.

Because you have so much more leeway to be experimental as scum, yes?

[silverspawn]

The different part is trivial. What you have to explain is why it should be more likely to come from scum, rather than just stating that it does.

I can give you a town motivation behind pretty much everything if you want to.

[Roadrunner7671]

Silverspawn is pretty mucj scum or a PR. I'd rather lynch Joseph or Seprix. I'm not sure though. We'll see. I'm going to try pretty hard to get a vote in before the deadline

[mail-mi]

this is a god awful wagon. Seprix is a medium to large townread.

PPE: Glad to see it not being L-1 anymore.

I'm inclined to call out mail-mi because he should really know better than to push Seprix /or/ me. Others may or may not need a mislynch to realize that weird =/= scummy.

I've been gone. I don't know if I've ever played with seprix (if so I don't remember) and you usually are much more active and towny than this.

And that's not an excuse for confusing weird with scummy. I might give you a pass on the Seprix thing.

You're different. I don't like the different and believe that it is you trying something new as scum.

Because you have so much more leeway to be experimental as scum, yes?

WIFOM.

The whole "I have the game solved, but people keep talking. I'm not gonna tell you how I solved it, but just trust me." is not townie. I think that your acting different is a gambit to try to appear town, "hey I'm different so I'm town because it would be to risky for scum." You are ballsy enough a scum player to do that.

[mail-mi]

The different part is trivial. What you have to explain is why it should be more likely to come from scum, rather than just stating that it does.

I can give you a town motivation behind pretty much everything if you want to.

Please, do.

[silverspawn]

The different part is trivial. What you have to explain is why it should be more likely to come from scum, rather than just stating that it does.

I can give you a town motivation behind pretty much everything if you want to.

Please, do.

Fine.

The most important thing to have early in a small game is activity. So I gave people stuff to talk about.

I even had to resort to not-so-subtle ways

I'd like to point out that lurking, which means not posting, is anti town, which means bad. Post more.

I dropped the act after this post

Okay, not to offend anyone, but silverspawn is the only veteran here. No 2.7, no Awaclus, no Yuma, no people like Jan from othet sites, no ashersky, no Faust, no problem

because I hadn't realized that I'm the only vet (although this is not quite true) so it may not be the best time.

Here:

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Who are you and have you played mafia before?

I don't think you signed our pledge (link), did you?

I had to figure out if the curly brackets qualify as a scum slip or not.

I do think Calamitas and SpaceAnemone are scummy after reading people's thoughts. But I'll leave my vote on Silverspawn, because I didn't see anything that might convince me he's innocent.

I can see I'm in serious trouble.

Well that bought you 24 more hours in which you can avoid engaging with any of the actual arguments ;-)

Seriously, though, what do you think of Iguana's play so far this game? He's now got me and RR voting for him, with Calamitas also at least using the word "suspicious".

I can neither confirm nor deny that I find igu scummy. If I say that I find him scummy, he'll get mad at me and we'll have a lot of unproductive drama. If I say that I don't find him scummy, that might or might not be true.

I liked that things were happening. They should continue to happen.

This is literally true

I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental

imaginary vote: hidden player

The suspicion is Joseph largely based on ignoring my behavior, and explaining it was at that point detrimental because I wanted to see if he comments later first. Turns out he did not.

Also, SS is acting weird.

Aw, thanks! It means a lot.

It is good to be weird. Sole reason we're having this discussion.

Any other post?

[iguanaiguana]

I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than silver I think.

[mail-mi]

Thank you. unvote.

I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than silver I think.

reasons plz?

Here's a problem I have: i'm too willing to believe people IRL. and it translates to mafia too. that's why i sheep people a lot, because it's hard to find scum on my own, because i am too willing to believe. I wouldn't call it gullible, but eh.

Anyway. I have too many townreads now. hm...

[mail-mi]

Just reread joseph. His posts have more alignment content than you are saying, silver. could lynch if necessary, but not preferred.

off to do seprix again to see.

[mail-mi]

Okay, I'm gonna go back to a vote: seprix. Here's my reason: he has been online since his last post, and hasn't said a thing in this game. He also has not answered RR's question as to how certain he is, which is much more a scum trait than a town one. Town wants to provide as much content and answers that they can. Scum are the ones to avoid questions, because they don't want to be found out as lying.

this is back to L-1.

[silverspawn]

Just reread joseph. His posts have more alignment content than you are saying, silver.

What?

[silverspawn]

vote: LaLight

How about this?

[Seprix]

vote: LaLight

[mail-mi]

Just reread joseph. His posts have more alignment content than you are saying, silver.

What?

Vote: Seprix because L-1 is scummy, and easily leads to mislynches. Especially with lots of new(ish) players.

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

I'm happy enough to not lynch Calamitas.
Per the above, big long posts on D1 as scum on your first online game would be incredibly risky, so probably town.
Also, lots of posting = good, so we should be encouraging it.

PPE: 1

And my current tentative reads are:

Won't lynch D1:
Calamitas
ii
Most other new players (newbie pass)

Most likely to lynch:
Seprix
RR

PPE: 1

My reads/lynch options:

1. silverspawn - null read, could lynch
2. Calamitas - seems towny + newbie pass
3. Seprix - never seems towny to me, could definitely lynch
4. Roadrunner7671 - ditto, although I prefer Seprix > RR
5. Iguanaiguana - seems kind of towny
6. Mail-mi - null read, could lynch
7. SpaceAnemone - mild town read + newbie pass
8. LaLight - null read but newbie pass
9. Joseph2302 - town for sure

Yh my maths is crap.
Town points to ss for wanting to stop my nonsense, and talk useful things instead.

I have no guarantee of any availability before the deadline.

I like my vote where it is right now.

It's not that much, but I think it's more than you're trying to say. It's only 7/33, but his math takes up a huge chunk of that, which was a lot of posts in a short amount of time. and i think the attempt at math makes him look more towny than scummy, but that's just a gut read.

[mail-mi]

vote: LaLight

How about this?

I could. would rather see if seprix takes off.

[iguanaiguana]

vote: LaLight

Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.

[iguanaiguana]

Okay, I'm gonna go back to a vote: seprix. Here's my reason: he has been online since his last post, and hasn't said a thing in this game. He also has not answered RR's question as to how certain he is, which is much more a scum trait than a town one. Town wants to provide as much content and answers that they can. Scum are the ones to avoid questions, because they don't want to be found out as lying.

this is back to L-1.

This is an actual good case against Seprix. I didn't realize he was acti-lurking. That's not in his town meta. His not responding to that and just switching his vote to LaLight is even scummier. Maybe I was wrong?

[silverspawn]

Meh. The last two are after I called him out, and the first three are about Seprix which I disagree with.

Although he was a bit too absent this game. Maybe he isn't the worst lynch

And there's only one scum buddy, so "too many people want it" isn't really an argument. Hm.

[silverspawn]

Off to sleep though, gonna reread Sperix later to see.

[Seprix]

vote: LaLight

Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.

Then hammer, scum.

[iguanaiguana]

vote: LaLight

Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.

Then hammer, scum.

Ugh.

When this game is over, I am going to quote this statement again, to prove to you that you were wrong, make you eat your words, and hopefully question every piece of the faulty metric by which you currently sort scum from town.

You shoot yourself in the foot at the end of every single day. You have obvious paths out from being lynched and do not take them. I am not going to participate in it. I refuse to hammer you. I've seen you do this as town too many times.

[iguanaiguana]

vote: LaLight

Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.

Then hammer, scum.

PARTICIPATE IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you are town, give us your reads, give us something before you die!!

DON"T JUST GIVE UP YOU FOOL ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[iguanaiguana]

At this point, I look terrible after Seprix flips regardless of alignment. Thanks for dragging me down with you, buddy.

[mail-mi]

At this point, I look terrible after Seprix flips regardless of alignment. Thanks for dragging me down with you, buddy.

Still look frustrated town to me.

[mail-mi]

Seprix has been on since iguana and I posted.

someone plz hammer him.

[Joseph2302]

Vote: Seprix

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: Seprix

Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.

[LaLight]

If I'm not mistaken, votes are these:

Seprix (4): LaLight, Joseph, Calamitas, mail-mi {L-1}
Joseph2302 (2):  SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana
Lalight (2): Silverspawn, Seprix
Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671

[LaLight]

If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

[LaLight]

And if he can: is doublevoter a scum or a town?

[silverspawn]

Vote: Seprix

Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.

You ruined it.

The point of a fake hammer is to make the subject think he's lynched and get his twilight-reactions.

[silverspawn]

And if he can: is doublevoter a scum or a town?

He cannot. There is a setup post which tells you which roles can be in the game. They are all only active at night.

[silverspawn]

If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.

[Calamitas]

If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.

As I said, I would be in

[LaLight]

If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.

That question was a joke.

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: Seprix

Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.

You ruined it.

The point of a fake hammer is to make the subject think he's lynched and get his twilight-reactions.

That makes some sense, I guess. But if my half-asleep newbie self can work out it wasn't a hammer, surely someone with Seprix's experience won't fall for it? Hmm.. except it happened in that other game recently, didn't it? Huh :-(

[Joseph2302]

Vote: Seprix

Hmm.. that's not a hammer because you were already on the wagon, right? It's too early in the morning for this. Please nobody die while I go out and get a coffee.

You ruined it.

The point of a fake hammer is to make the subject think he's lynched and get his twilight-reactions.

Exactly.
Hoping Seprix would make the mistake I did in M83

[SpaceAnemone]

If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.

As I said, I would be in

Okay, with two of the oldies on that wagon already, maybe it's not as much of a lost cause as I'd thought.

Vote: LaLight

[Calamitas]

If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.

As I said, I would be in

Okay, with two of the oldies on that wagon already, maybe it's not as much of a lost cause as I'd thought.

Vote: LaLight

Since it does make sense now,
Vote: LaLight

[Calamitas]

If Seprix is town, I think that both scums are on him now. And I'm starting to get pretty sure on mail-mi and between Calamitas and Joseph I'd rather pick Calamitas.

If Seprix is scum, this leaves us with SpaceAnemone or Siverspawn as scums (I still don't think on ii). Silver seems more likely.

RR who doesn't vote.. A little rules question: can it be that he is doublevoter? That might explain a lot.

Lining. Up. Mislynches.

I also don't like that his first post of the game was a question. Seems like his scum buddy has told him to ask questions early.

You're now my top choice.

As I said, I would be in

Okay, with two of the oldies on that wagon already, maybe it's not as much of a lost cause as I'd thought.

Vote: LaLight

Since it does make sense now,
Vote: LaLight

Putting him on L-1!!!

[iguanaiguana]

I don't love it. She's nice.

[iguanaiguana]

Lalight: Defense?

[SpaceAnemone]

I don't love it. She's nice.

"Nice", rather than "town"? :-/

[LaLight]

Man, that escalated quickly. Take a look on calamitas and joseph after my elimination and seeing i'm town.

[LaLight]

I don't love it. She's nice.

I'm he )

[silverspawn]

vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

vote: LaLight

ok, I really was town. thanks for game. advise you on calamitas and joseph like i said

[iguanaiguana]

I don't love it. She's nice.

I'm he )

Sorry my bad, also sorry we killed you. That was a bad wagon.

[LaLight]

Wekk, my first game didn't go well. Dunno what i did wrong

[iguanaiguana]

Wekk, my first game didn't go well. Dunno what i did wrong

To an extent, you just got unlucky.  Don't stress it, it can happen to anyone.

[LaLight]

Wekk, my first game didn't go well. Dunno what i did wrong

To an extent, you just got unlucky.  Don't stress it, it can happen to anyone.

Right. I'll maybe try more.

GL to my fellow townies!

[Joseph2302]

vote: LaLight

ok, I really was town. thanks for game. advise you on calamitas and joseph like i said

So you think we're scum? Or town?

[silverspawn]

It's amazing how fakehammers work even if we've talked about it five seconds ago.

LaLight, you're not hammered.

The question now is whether or not his reaction was genuine.

If yes, we need to get another wagon going.

I'm not sure... mh, when is deadline?

[silverspawn]

Yikes, I think it's in three hours.

And I need to go in 5 minutes.

decisions... decisions...

[Calamitas]

What are your current reads silver?

[silverspawn]

I think I only give about 40% to his reaction being genuine.

But that is enough to put his overall scum % below Joseph.

[iguanaiguana]

I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

[silverspawn]

What are your current reads silver?

That's the most random question ever. We have more important things to discuss. Do you trust LaLight or not?

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Joseph2302

I think I already am though.

[silverspawn]

I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

[iguanaiguana]

I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I'm at work, the deadline is in 3 hours, it's busy here and I've got shit to do. I'm trying to get things done so we don't get a no lynch.

[iguanaiguana]

I checked the site to see a flip, not to post more.

[silverspawn]

I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I'm at work, the deadline is in 3 hours, it's busy here and I've got shit to do. I'm trying to get things done so we don't get a no lynch.

That's fair, but you also sort of seemed like you knew that LaLight would flip town.

I'm right now debating whether I want to lynch Joseph or start a cfD on you...

[silverspawn]

DING DING DING.

Okay, made my decision.

vote: Joseph

Will be back in an hour and a bit.

[Calamitas]

What are your current reads silver?

That's the most random question ever. We have more important things to discuss. Do you trust LaLight or not?

Nah, its not that random. Since you have to go in 5 minutes I wanted to gather anyting you can give us for the next three hours.
I am not so sure, if he were scum his attempt of seeming innocent by playing possum would have been really bad. Understanding a fakehammer is totally a different level, but I wouldn't put it past him. Overall, 25% chance of not getting the fakehammer and beeing genuine. But would be fine with a lynch anyway, would prefer Seprix though.

[mail-mi]

I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I wasn't either, when I read it. Already knew you were on him.

[mail-mi]

Mhhhh so close to deadline. And I really don't know what to make of Seprix's refusal to explain anything. Maybe it makes him townier? I don't know.

I still think he has a better chance of flipping scum than Joseph though...what's the vote count right now?

[LaLight]

Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!

Vote: Joseph

[Calamitas]

Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!

Vote: Joseph

confirm my vote: LaLight (L-2)

[SpaceAnemone]

Hey, even I wasn't fooled by the fakehammer this time!

Vote: Joseph (L-2, I think)

He's the only one of the Joseph-Calamitas-Seprix group I'm willing to go for today.

[SpaceAnemone]

Hey, even I wasn't fooled by the fakehammer this time!

Vote: Joseph (L-2, I think)

He's the only one of the Joseph-Calamitas-Seprix group I'm willing to go for today.

Ah, or it might be L-1 with the intervening post.
Please be careful everyone...

[Seprix]

unvote

LaLight is new, his reaction is 100% genuine.

[mail-mi]

This sucks.

Intent to hammer Joseph.

After reading Lalight's thing over a few times, I think it's genuine town, though I'll take a closer look at him tomorrow.

[mail-mi]

unvote

LaLight is new, his reaction is 100% genuine.

can we plz lynch seprix?

[Seprix]

With LaLight being town, all that is left is Joseph and Mail Mi for the people on my wagon. Mail Mi I can look at later, but I think he could be town. Joseph is someone I could likely hammer today.

[Calamitas]

Hey, even I wasn't fooled by the fakehammer this time!

Vote: Joseph (L-2, I think)

He's the only one of the Joseph-Calamitas-Seprix group I'm willing to go for today.

Ah, or it might be L-1 with the intervening post.
Please be careful everyone...

Its definitely L-1

I still believe LaLight/Seprix are much more likely to flip scum. LaLights reaction on the fakehammer seems so forced again, just don't believe in his innocene.
But I'm willing to hammer Jospeh if a lynch of either one above is impossible,but please consider the arguments before you lock yourself on Joseph.

[Calamitas]

Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

[Seprix]

Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph

[mail-mi]

Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph

vote: seprix
vote: seprix
vote: seprix
(And not just for the hammer steal. )

We had time!!! Two hours is time enough to see if Joseph can say anything.

ugh.

[gkrieg13]

flip in an hour or so

[Calamitas]

Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph

That was clearly not the intenton of my post...
You are now back on top of my scum list.

Lets justizielle hope we didn't lynch an important PR today.

[Calamitas]

Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph

That was clearly not the intenton of my post...
You are now back on top of my scum list.

Lets justizielle hope we didn't lynch an important PR today.

*Lets just hope

[mail-mi]

Come on guys, we have only two hours left.

As you wish.

Time to cross the Rubicon.

vote: Joseph

That was clearly not the intenton of my post...
You are now back on top of my scum list.

Lets justizielle hope we didn't lynch an important PR today.

*Lets just hope

Justizielle? That's some bad autocorrupt.

[silverspawn]

I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I wasn't either, when I read it. Already knew you were on him.

Yes, of course. I thought most of you would know. The weird thing about iguana was that he didn't know and still wasn't surprised.

[silverspawn]

What are your current reads silver?

That's the most random question ever. We have more important things to discuss. Do you trust LaLight or not?

Nah, its not that random. Since you have to go in 5 minutes I wanted to gather anyting you can give us for the next three hours.
I am not so sure, if he were scum his attempt of seeming innocent by playing possum would have been really bad. Understanding a fakehammer is totally a different level, but I wouldn't put it past him. Overall, 25% chance of not getting the fakehammer and beeing genuine. But would be fine with a lynch anyway, would prefer Seprix though.

Makes sense. I guess you didn't know that I'd be back.

[mail-mi]

I'll vote Joseph, Seprix, or Calamitas.

In that order I guess. I dunno. D1 is such a crapshoot.

You don't seem surprised at the fakehammer.

I wasn't either, when I read it. Already knew you were on him.

Yes, of course. I thought most of you would know. The weird thing about iguana was that he didn't know and still wasn't surprised.

Huh, interesting...

[silverspawn]

Okay, reads in case I die tonight.

Town: LaLight (I thought more about the case on the way home and I like his reaction better now. Particularly the "dn what I did wrong" part.

mail-mi based on general attitude (much weaker)

Seprix (even weaker)

Scum: iguana (weak), Calamitas (very weak)

Obviously it depends on how Joseph flips, but I gtg again so I can't look more into what specifically it means.

[Joseph2302]

Don't lynch me- I'm town.

[Calamitas]

Don't lynch me- I'm town.

You are already lynched :/
Please let us know everything you know of you are actual town.

[Calamitas]

Don't lynch me- I'm town.

You are already lynched :/
Please let us know everything you know of you are actual town.

"if you are actual town"

[Calamitas]

Okay, reads in case I die tonight.

Town: LaLight (I thought more about the case on the way home and I like his reaction better now. Particularly the "dn what I did wrong" part.

mail-mi based on general attitude (much weaker)

Seprix (even weaker)

Scum: iguana (weak), Calamitas (very weak)

Obviously it depends on how Joseph flips, but I gtg again so I can't look more into what specifically it means.

I don't like the "Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!". Otherwise his behavior seemed relatively towny.

[Calamitas]

Okay, reads in case I die tonight.

Town: LaLight (I thought more about the case on the way home and I like his reaction better now. Particularly the "dn what I did wrong" part.

mail-mi based on general attitude (much weaker)

Seprix (even weaker)

Scum: iguana (weak), Calamitas (very weak)

Obviously it depends on how Joseph flips, but I gtg again so I can't look more into what specifically it means.

I don't like the "Oh. Wow. I feel fooled now. I'm gonna play more yikes!". Otherwise his behavior seemed relatively towny.

My typing is awful today.

[LaLight]

Well, in fact i was really upset. And then i was really happy. Irl mislynches of me are common case. My problem is i'm defending veryhard. Too hard even when nobody attacking me. If you guys ever to play with me seeing my face and hearing what i say (over skype e.g.) you'd mislynch me too. I try to get rid of this style.

I think i screwed up with all english grammar rules in this post

[Seprix]

If I survive tomorrow, I'll present cases.

[mail-mi]

Well, in fact i was really upset. And then i was really happy. Irl mislynches of me are common case. My problem is i'm defending veryhard. Too hard even when nobody attacking me. If you guys ever to play with me seeing my face and hearing what i say (over skype e.g.) you'd mislynch me too. I try to get rid of this style.

I think i screwed up with all english grammar rules in this post

If you play long enough here, we start to learn what your meta is, and the mislynches go down, at least a little bit.

[LaLight]

Well, in fact i was really upset. And then i was really happy. Irl mislynches of me are common case. My problem is i'm defending veryhard. Too hard even when nobody attacking me. If you guys ever to play with me seeing my face and hearing what i say (over skype e.g.) you'd mislynch me too. I try to get rid of this style.

I think i screwed up with all english grammar rules in this post

If you play long enough here, we start to learn what your meta is, and the mislynches go down, at least a little bit.

You're trying to sell me more mafia games, i see through you!
Yeah, hope so. I'll play more, certainly

[SpaceAnemone]

Don't lynch me- I'm town.

Wouldn't town be leaving words of wisdom and suspicion behind for their faction at this stage?

If you really are town, that might just help us win.. especially because you being so would indicate that some of us have our reads waaaay off at the moment. Calibration data might help :-)

[gkrieg13]

The olympic sports were all in shock.  Who could be the real sports?  They felt like they had known each other for so long? 

"One of my friends is a traitor?" asked Trampoline.

"Two of your friends are traitors", answered Badminton.

They frantically decided on ways to out the Real Sports. 

"Maybe we can just all close our eyes and see who gets uncomfortable with no one watching them", Diving said.

As they all closed their eyes, they noticed that one of them started to squirm.

Vote Count 1.final

LaLight (1): Calamitas
Seprix (2): Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (5): iguanaiguana, silverspawn, LaLight, SpaceAnemone, Seprix

Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Joseph has been lynched! 

He was Fencing, the Vanilla Townie

Night 1 begins now and ends Saturday August 27th at noon.  Night actions will be due 1 hour before deadline.

THREAD LOCKED

[gkrieg13]

As they all were busy watching the spectators during the olympics, it came to a commercial break.  They loved watching commercials!  Someone might mention them in the news!

Swimming got excited that Michael Phelps might come on the screen.

A reporter came on. 

"This just in, the Olympic committee has decided to not include rowing in this years Olympics, due to the water conditions around Rio.  Until further notice, there will be no rowing competitions."

All the Olympic sports gasped.  How could they not include Rowing in the Olympics!

Deep down, Football knew soon that he would be getting his chance to shine...

SpaceAnemone has been killed!

They were Rowing, the Watcher

Day 2 begins now and ends Sunday September 4 at noon

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (7): silverspawn, Calamitas, Seprix, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, mail-mi, LaLight

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.  Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4

THREAD UNLOCKED

[Seprix]

vote: LaLight

[Calamitas]

If I survive tomorrow, I'll present cases.

We are waiting

[LaLight]

RR is townie. I can confirm this after my night's action. So..
vote: seprix

[silverspawn]

irrrrrrrrrrr ... this is a big loss.

[LaLight]

Spaceanemone was the watcher. What does the watcher do?

[silverspawn]

frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

[LaLight]

frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

Is it when everyone tells his role? I'm in

[silverspawn]

Spaceanemone was the watcher. What does the watcher do?

Target X.

Get a list of all players who targeted X that night.

So it's useful for catching scum; if you target the guy who is being shot, you probably know who shot them.

And you can sometimes verify other claims.

It's a pretty strong role.

[silverspawn]

if so I propose LaLight chooses the claiming order.

[LaLight]

if so I propose LaLight chooses the claiming order.

So it is when everybody tells their role? And i must choose the order of players? Ok.

Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me

[LaLight]

if so I propose LaLight chooses the claiming order.

So it is when everybody tells their role? And i must choose the order of players? Ok.

Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me

Or i can start. Doesnt really matter

[silverspawn]

Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me

Explain why you did the list like this to me.

[LaLight]

Seprix
Mail-mi
Calamitas
SS
II
RR
Me

Explain why you did the list like this to me.

It's my suspicions from top to bottom. And if someone frome above make up some role and the one above says he has the same i will suspect the one from above more.

E.g. Seprix says he is comissar, then RR says the same. I'll be sure Seprix is scum

[LaLight]

Second "above" is actually "below". Sorry

[Roadrunner7671]

Woah. Mass claiming on D2?

[LaLight]

Woah. Mass claiming on D2?

I think it's because it's 9-player game and we are 7 currently

[silverspawn]

That's the normal thing to do when you make a claiming order.

What is odd here is that first you seem to know what you're doing, and then you say you can also go first.

[LaLight]

That's the normal thing to do when you make a claiming order.

What is odd here is that first you seem to know what you're doing, and then you say you can also go first.

Idk how it's right. I'd go last of course.

[Seprix]

frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.

[Seprix]

I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.

[LaLight]

frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.

And can i ask why me?

[LaLight]

I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.

Why is it if you're not scum? I'm nearly sure you don't have power role as townie

[Seprix]

frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.

And can i ask why me?

It was you or Joseph. Joseph was not the scum. Therefore, you are the next viable option. However, you simply going along with SS can be explained by lack of experience. What SS did was inexcusable. A mass claim is NOT the best option here, not by a long shot.

I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.

Why is it if you're not scum? I'm nearly sure you don't have power role as townie

No comment.

[LaLight]

How many townies can have a pr? Can it be 4?

[Seprix]

Setup Post:

Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:

- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.
Roles:

• Jailkeeper: 4
  
• Tracker: 4
  
• Watcher: 4
  
• Rolecop: 4
  
• Vigilante: 3
  
• Doctor: 2
  
• Neapolitan: 1
  
• Roleblocker: 1
  
• Bodyguard: 1
  

Modifiers:

• Random: -3
• Weak: -2
• Miller (always shown as JOAT to rolecop): -1
• Witness (always shown targeting the person who died if tracked): 0
• Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0
• Macho: 0
• Loud: 1
• Ascetic: 2
• Vanillaising: 2

- Mafia will be:

1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Godfather)
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher


All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!

Read up.

[Roadrunner7671]

frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.

That seemed like a really bad attempt to townslip. There are two scum.

Vote: Seprix
I sort of feel like if Seprix was on a team with a newbie he'd figure he would have to fake claim a PR but he wouldn't want to because he'd be worried that he would mess it up, so he's just refusing to claim.

Does that make sense?

[Seprix]

frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.

That seemed like a really bad attempt to townslip. There are two scum.

Vote: Seprix
I sort of feel like if Seprix was on a team with a newbie he'd figure he would have to fake claim a PR but he wouldn't want to because he'd be worried that he would mess it up, so he's just refusing to claim.

Does that make sense?

1. That's funny. There is only two scum. That was incredibly careless of me. I seem to always be doing that.
2. I'm not afraid to claim. It's not a problem for me. I just don't think it's the best option. Do you get me?

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.

'I'm not afraid to claim'

I don't want to either, but if everyone thinks it's a good idea I can adapt

[silverspawn]

Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.

[Roadrunner7671]

Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.

Apparently since we're claiming now, can I ask if you know this from a PR thing or from reads?

[Seprix]

I'm not claiming. You'll have to kill me first to find out my role.

'I'm not afraid to claim'

I don't want to either, but if everyone thinks it's a good idea I can adapt

Don't give in to group think. I'm starting to think you're a scum player as well. So much poor play this game.

Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.

Apparently since we're claiming now, can I ask if you know this from a PR thing or from reads?

We're not claiming!

[silverspawn]

Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.

Apparently since we're claiming now, can I ask if you know this from a PR thing or from reads?

I can neither confirm nor deny that we're claiming or that I know stuff from role powers.

Also no-one said we're massclaiming. I was asking if we should do it, and that was partially to see what LaLight does.

[Roadrunner7671]

Seeing as we have majority lynching, group thinking seems to be acceptable. I'm not going to ruin a mass claim just because I think I'm smarter than six other people. That's called being a team player

[silverspawn]

But claiming is a good idea anyway. Here's why

- we're one mislynch away from LyLo
- It's a 2 scum game, therefore lynching the first scum is more important than normally
- we already have a bunch of pretty unlynchable players anyway. claiming won't give that much more good info to scum. If they kil among claimed PR's, they aren't killing me (or are they?), LaLight (or are they?), Seprix (or are they?)

So yeah I do think we should just mass claim.

I'd put Seprix-LaLight-me at the bottom.

[silverspawn]

Pretty much everyone who is around right now is townier than those who aren't.

[Roadrunner7671]

Didn't LaLight claim PR and clear me?

[Roadrunner7671]

Pretty much everyone who is around right now is townier than those who aren't.

Or they're just in a convient timezone. But I sort of agree with you

[silverspawn]

Didn't LaLight claim PR and clear me?

Right. he softclaimed some things.

[LaLight]

Seprix and LaLight are both town.

Field is narrowing.

This leaves us with you, calamitas, mail-mi and Iguana. If we take this list my thoughts are on mail-mi and calamitas. But i continue to think on Seprix, sorry. Why do you think it's not him?

[Seprix]

But claiming is a good idea anyway. Here's why

- we're one mislynch away from LyLo
- It's a 2 scum game, therefore lynching the first scum is more important than normally
- we already have a bunch of pretty unlynchable players anyway. claiming won't give that much more good info to scum. If they kil among claimed PR's, they aren't killing me (or are they?), LaLight (or are they?), Seprix (or are they?)

So yeah I do think we should just mass claim.

I'd put Seprix-LaLight-me at the bottom.

Okay. I'll bite. Shall I go first?

We can also figure out what PRs scum likely has from the numbers.

[silverspawn]

He just townslipped.

And I seem to be the only player who, as scum, bothers to do these incredibly sloppy town slips on purpose.

Also his reaction to the massclaim is towny.

[silverspawn]

But claiming is a good idea anyway. Here's why

- we're one mislynch away from LyLo
- It's a 2 scum game, therefore lynching the first scum is more important than normally
- we already have a bunch of pretty unlynchable players anyway. claiming won't give that much more good info to scum. If they kil among claimed PR's, they aren't killing me (or are they?), LaLight (or are they?), Seprix (or are they?)

So yeah I do think we should just mass claim.

I'd put Seprix-LaLight-me at the bottom.

Okay. I'll bite. Shall I go first?

We can also figure out what PRs scum likely has from the numbers.

Didn't I just say that you should be at the bottom?

[Seprix]

Okay; I can wait.

[Roadrunner7671]

I think that was a fake 'town slip.'

However, I guess Seprix could do that as town just to get more towncred?

I don't know. I like my vote where it's.

[LaLight]

Didn't LaLight claim PR and clear me?

Right. he softclaimed some things.

I'm in fact ready to put myself in danger claiming PR and clearing RR. Cause i think we can win this way. I'm waiting for rr saying something if he's pr.

[Calamitas]

Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

[LaLight]

Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?

[Calamitas]

Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?

Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.

[silverspawn]

It's not a towny reaction anymore after I've already explained why it's good.

The only drawback is that scum can target PR's. Scum will have exactly one more NK before we are at LyLo where we would masslcaim anyway. I think we can all live with that (although not literally ^;^)

I'm already looking forward to the analysis.

[mail-mi]

I am not opposed to a massclaim, though I'm not sure yet if it's a good idea.

agree with RR that seprix's "townslip" was faked. keeping my vote on seprix. Also he just immediately flipped from "MASSCLAIM IS THE WORST!!!" to "okay I'll bite."

[mail-mi]

Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?

Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.

Actually... thinking more about this, I'm starting to be opposed to massclaim. Because of hidden modifiers, we can't solve the set up. We can have anywhere from like 2-5 PRs or something.

[silverspawn]

Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?

Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.

Actually... thinking more about this, I'm starting to be opposed to massclaim. Because of hidden modifiers, we can't solve the set up. We can have anywhere from like 2-5 PRs or something.

I know that. benefits still outweight the drawbacks I think. The drawbacks are pretty small.

[mail-mi]

Agreeing with road and seprix. Massclaiming seems absolutely ridiculous, vote: silverspawn

Maybe i don't understand smth. Why is it a bad idea?

Scum will fakeclaim, town PRs will potentially claim their true roles and will be taken out of the game by mafia in the night.

Actually... thinking more about this, I'm starting to be opposed to massclaim. Because of hidden modifiers, we can't solve the set up. We can have anywhere from like 2-5 PRs or something.

I know that. benefits still outweight the drawbacks I think. The drawbacks are pretty small.

Scum having their choice of nightkill? I'm not sure. I'll do it if everyone else thinks it's a good idea, but I think it would be more beneficial to wait til tomorrow.

[silverspawn]

I don't want to talk too much about the benefits

let's just say there's usually alignment indicative stuff we get

and lynching scum TODAY is really important I think.

[Calamitas]

But even if we massclaim, I am certainly not agreeint with laLight beeing at the bottom. He is quite on top of my scumlist and shouldn't be allowed to create the order just because silver made him to. Anyway, I am still skeptical whether we should do the massclaiming, especially since given fakeclaims are a possibility (correct me if they aren't or quite unlikely). If they aren't the setup system might leave us with very helpful info.

[Roadrunner7671]

There's pretty much no chance that fakeclaims aren't available

[Calamitas]

There's pretty much no chance that fakeclaims aren't available

Exactly, and I would assume they are created in a way that doesn't allow us to find scum directly via applying logic. If that assumption is correct, we won't get that much closer to a correct lynch which is, in that point I'm agreeing with silver, very important today. I think PRs and our current reads are by far our best shot at hitting scum either today or tomorrow. Claiming wouldn't help (correct me if i'm wrong about that) us for the latter but weakens our PRs significantly (relevant for D3).

[LaLight]

well, guys.

I think I screwed up a little. maybe. Fact is, RR isn't completely clear. That's all I can to say. I know that he didn't kill, that's true, but as I figured out, scum don't always kill, can make more things. So, RR didn't kill anyone, that's all I know

[silverspawn]

Yes, yes, scum has fake claims. There is going to be informatoin betweeen 'nothing' and 'we caught scum'.

[Calamitas]

Yes, yes, scum has fake claims. There is going to be informatoin betweeen 'nothing' and 'we caught scum'.

Yeah, but to what price? Since our watcher (+4) is gone there aren't probably too many strong town PRs left. Anyway, I still don't like iguanas play until now and it is not good that all attention has driven away from him.
vote: iguana

[Calamitas]

frustrating that after the pivot we still haven't caught scum.

Okay. How about a massclaim?

It's DAY TWO!!!!!!! What you propose is much more useful for scum, especially since scum will simply have alibis!

vote: Silverspawn

You're scum with LaLight, but I don't know the third member yet.

How certain are you in the case of silver and lalight
(From 0=wild guess to 10=confirmed scum)?

[silverspawn]

We don't have enough time to stay indesicive for that long.

so we're 9 people. I think everyone should vote for or against massclaim. If we get 5+ votes, we do it, otherwise we don't.

/for massclaim

[Roadrunner7671]

/againsy mass claiming

[mail-mi]

We don't have enough time to stay indesicive for that long.

so we're 9 people. I think everyone should vote for or against massclaim. If we get 5+ votes, we do it, otherwise we don't.

/for massclaim

We're actually 7 people, so 4+.

/not sure yet. Will vote later after time to think.

[silverspawn]

We're actually 7 people, so 4+.

uhh yes. that.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 2.1

silverspawn (1): Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, RoadRunner7671
iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas

Not Voting (3): mail-mi, iguanaiguana, silverspawn

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4

[LaLight]

talking about PRs, could he be Framed?

Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0

[LaLight]

and ok. Well. I have a kind of theory and if I'm right, we have some good chances.

Cards on the table: I'm Tracker, I tracked RR and he targeted Silverspawn. Here we have some choices.

1) He can be townie power role whom I substituted now, but then we have an advantage with two PR as me and him.
2) More likely: SpaceAnemone was Watcher, I'm the Tracker, we have 8 points here, so RR can be Roleblocker and choose Silverspawn to roleblock (because SilverSpawn is veteran and dangerous!). Then he said nothing and his reaction to my first words (saying I confirmed he is townie) seems to me scummy.

Tell me if i'm right in my thoughts.

Vote: RoadRunner

[LaLight]

and one more:

I'm ready to be killed, but if my death brings us one scum, it's a good one, because scum is in fact 1-shot ninja and I'm not very of help here. I think that the second scum is either Calamitas or Mail-mi and having RR as scum we have SS as confirmed town so we're about to win I think.

[silverspawn]

No!!! This is why we needed to mass claim with you at the end!

[silverspawn]

okay let's see what RR responds before I Say more.

[LaLight]

No!!! This is why we needed to mass claim with you at the end!

Reading people's responses I doubt there could be massclaim.

[Calamitas]

and ok. Well. I have a kind of theory and if I'm right, we have some good chances.

Cards on the table: I'm Tracker, I tracked RR and he targeted Silverspawn. Here we have some choices.

1) He can be townie power role whom I substituted now, but then we have an advantage with two PR as me and him.
2) More likely: SpaceAnemone was Watcher, I'm the Tracker, we have 8 points here, so RR can be Roleblocker and choose Silverspawn to roleblock (because SilverSpawn is veteran and dangerous!). Then he said nothing and his reaction to my first words (saying I confirmed he is townie) seems to me scummy.

Tell me if i'm right in my thoughts.

Vote: RoadRunner

The latter one sounds much more likely and definitely makes sense. If you are telling the truth, roadrunner is probably going to be scum.if not, well,then you are scum. By now I'm going with the first option.
vote: roadrunner

[mail-mi]

Well, that's pretty condemning. vote: rr
What do you have to say to it RR?

[LaLight]

Well, that's pretty condemning. vote: rr
What do you have to say to it RR?

It's L-1

[Seprix]

Intent to hammer. Convincing case, and if LaLight is lying, well, we have our target next.

[silverspawn]

Anyone who hammers without giving RR a chance to respond is auto-lynched tomorrow

[Seprix]

Sure, sure. Whatever. I wonder what RR is even going to say though. Whatever it is, it'll be incredibly unconvincing.

[LaLight]

Anyone who hammers without giving RR a chance to respond is auto-lynched tomorrow

Agreed. I hope everyone sees the L-1

[LaLight]

Why is II silent? Is he here?

[iguanaiguana]

VLA on my phone no one hammer anyone FFS don't be a sack of stupid noobs.

I haven't even read the day yet. This is obviously scum trying to take advantage of at least one townies inactivity

[iguanaiguana]

Oh man there have been claims.

All the same I'm driving home tonight so not lynching until tomorrow would be nice.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 2.1

silverspawn (1): Seprix
Seprix (1): RoadRunner7671
RoadRunner7671 (3): LaLight, Calamitas, mail-mi {L-1}

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, silverspawn

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me

[silverspawn]

well here's the thing.

the tracker result isn't even remotely discriminating. you tracked someone and he targeted me... so what? I didn't even die. That doesn't mean anything.

I think you didn't read the setup correctly. We can have any number of roles from 2 to 7.

And I make a lot more sense as a bodyguard target than a RB target, so I'm inclined to believe RR.

[silverspawn]

on the bright side, it's a nice role to have. it makes scum's life a lot harder. Won't explain why in case both scum are newbies, but it means that our claims haven't been so bad.

Now.

can we please continue the claims with everyone else?

I propose mail-mi -> Seprix -> Calamitas -> iguana -> silver

[silverspawn]

That doesn't mean anything.

Correction: it does mean something, just nt what/as much as you thought.

Primarily, we know that RR is not the JOAT.

If we lynch the RB/Goon, it makes RR an IC.

And there is more stuff I can say as soon as we have claims.

[silverspawn]

With the bodyguard out, I hope no-one opposes a massclaim anymore.

[silverspawn]

Also unvote RR plx

[Roadrunner7671]

Also unvote RR plx

I was just about to say that. If both scum aren't already on my wagon, they could just say 'I don't believe you!' then hammer me.

[Calamitas]

Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me

vote:roadrunner!!!!!

[Roadrunner7671]

That's not funny   

[Calamitas]

With the bodyguard out, I hope no-one opposes a massclaim anymore.

I still am, would give up unnecessary info. I will claim for myself, I am the Bodyguard in here. Don't think there can be two, can they? If not, we shouldn't reveal much more than we have already, either one of us must be scum. So the LyLo situation is solved already and we shouldn't weaken our PRs anymore.

[Calamitas]

With the bodyguard out, I hope no-one opposes a massclaim anymore.

I still am, would give up unnecessary info. I will claim for myself, I am the Bodyguard in here. Don't think there can be two, can they? If not, we shouldn't reveal much more than we have already, either one of us must be scum. So the LyLo situation is solved already and we shouldn't weaken our PRs anymore.

Meaning me and rr with "us"

[Roadrunner7671]

Based on the setup I think there can be more than one, as it doesn't say anything except that PRs and modifiers will be chosen randomly. Still though, I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas

[silverspawn]

Don't think there can be two, can they?

Of... course there can be more than one.

Where is all this confusion about the setup coming from? The OP is there for everyone to read.

[silverspawn]

I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas

What for?

[silverspawn]

I have to say that the points assigned to the modifiers don't really make sense... like at all. But that's my fault for not checking them pre-game.

And it's not a big deal anyway.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas

What for?

Aren't you a big fan of probability arguments? I mean Bodyguards are worth one point each so I guess there's a reasonable chance that there can be two but still. Maybe one of us has a really awful hidden modifier or something?

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay rereading the setup my vote is pretty bad. And Calamitas has seemed towny (I think). So I guess I'll Unvote. But I'm not sure about this

[Calamitas]

I'm gonna Vote: Calamitas

What for?

Aren't you a big fan of probability arguments? I mean Bodyguards are worth one point each so I guess there's a reasonable chance that there can be two but still. Maybe one of us has a really awful hidden modifier or something?

I am a fan of probabilty arguments and there is a chance that is not neglicable. I just assumed the generating process works without replacments since the duplicate roles are significantly weaker than the unique ones (without having that difference integrated in the rating system). And yes, if all that is true, it is very likely that some of us are having suboptimal modifiers.
For now unvote

[silverspawn]

Aren't you a big fan of probability arguments?

I am!

I mean Bodyguards are worth one point each so I guess there's a reasonable chance that there can be two but still.

The chance for two bodyguards is pretty small.

From your PoV, the probability that matters is that Calamitas is a bodyguard provided that you are also a bodyguard. That chance isn't any smaller than for any other role... it's actually a bit greater.

[iguanaiguana]

Chance of any two roles is low, two bodyguards is not any less likely than anything else.

[iguanaiguana]

Mass claim is good now let's do it

[silverspawn]

Chance of any two roles is low, two bodyguards is not any less likely than anything else.

yes. actually it's one of the most likely ones based on having the lowest points attached.

[Calamitas]

Mass claim is good now let's do it

/in

[Roadrunner7671]

I still don't really like it. Didn't LaLight request a mass claim because of his result on me? And now that we cleared that up (along with some other claims) aren't we all good?

[silverspawn]

I still don't really like it. Didn't LaLight request a mass claim because of his result on me? And now that we cleared that up (along with some other claims) aren't we all good?

No we're not. I need the remaining claims in order to make meaningful probalistic arguments.

With 2 bodyguards, probably at least one of them real, the downside of claiming is almost zero. There's really no reason not to do it now.

[Roadrunner7671]

The downside of claiming is that scum has easier targets. LaLight is probably doomed, and I think either you or Seprx is a PR. Probably you.

[silverspawn]

The downside of claiming is that scum has easier targets. LaLight is probably doomed, and I think either you or Seprx is a PR. Probably you.

we already have PRs claimed, which makes that argument weaker, and we have bodyguards which can protect them, which makes that argument weaker, too.

Like, really. Not massclaiming at this point is silly.

[Roadrunner7671]

I guess since I already claimed my opinion isn't as strong. You guys do whatever. We should hear from mail-mi and Seprix though

[silverspawn]

yes, I agree. In particular we should hear their claims.

[Roadrunner7671]

yes, I agree. In particular we should hear their claims.

No I mean we should hear their thoughts on claiming!

[silverspawn]

They probably don't like it, given that they're scum and all that.

[Seprix]

Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me

You are a liar.

vote: RR

[Seprix]

Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.

[mail-mi]

I guess we're mass claiming. I'm just a VT.

Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.

Seprix, coming in as always with the helpful townie posts. Am I voting for you yet? vote: seprix

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me

You are a liar.

vote: RR

Do you have any basis for that belief or do you just like to lynch PRs?

[silverspawn]

Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.

Based on what?

Also, claim please.

[Seprix]

Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me

You are a liar.

vote: RR

Do you have any basis for that belief or do you just like to lynch PRs?

You're lying, and everyone but your scumbuddy mail-Mi seems to get that.

[Seprix]

Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.

Based on what?

Also, claim please.

I am a Bodyguard. LaLight saw RR doing some shady stuff, and why would there be two Bodyguards?

[silverspawn]

three bodyguards? How fun.

[silverspawn]

mail-mi and Calmitas are up next.

[silverspawn]

I guess we're mass claiming. I'm just a VT.

Sorry, missed that.

[silverspawn]

Calamitas, you are supposed to claim now and not calculate what makes you look the best first. Role! Role! Role!

[Roadrunner7671]

Calamitas, you are supposed to claim now and not calculate what makes you look the best first. Role! Role! Role!

He claimed Bodyguard, right?

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner is at L-1, and I want you all to lynch him now.

Based on what?

Also, claim please.

I am a Bodyguard. LaLight saw RR doing some shady stuff, and why would there be two Bodyguards?

So even though three Bodyguards is possible, that seems quite unlikely. Unless one of us is like Random I suspect there's a liar

[silverspawn]

Calamitas, you are supposed to claim now and not calculate what makes you look the best first. Role! Role! Role!

He claimed Bodyguard, right?

ah that was him. There are just too many bodyugard claims! how am I supposed to keep track of them all?

[Seprix]

Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.

[silverspawn]

Alright. Claims in Order:

LaLight: Tracker
RoadRunner: Bodyguard
Calamitas: Bodyguard
mail-mi: VT
Seprix: Bodyguard
iguana: ?
silver: ?

[silverspawn]

okay gtg sleeping, will be back in ~4 hours

[Roadrunner7671]

Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.

How?

[iguanaiguana]

Alright. Claims in Order:

LaLight: Tracker
RoadRunner: Bodyguard
Calamitas: Bodyguard
mail-mi: VT
Seprix: Bodyguard
iguana: ?
silver: ?

I'm a vt

[Roadrunner7671]

What do you think about this three bodyguard thingy?

[Seprix]

Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.

How?

LaLight saw you doing something. You could have been roleblocking or doing Godfather stuff. We are clearly over 7 with the numbers.

[Seprix]

mail-mi is last scum.

[Seprix]

There, I solved the game.

[Roadrunner7671]

Come on, it's obvious RR is lying.

How?

LaLight saw you doing something. You could have been roleblocking or doing Godfather stuff. We are clearly over 7 with the numbers.

Could have been  /=/ obvious

And even though we're over seven and have a Roleblocker, why does that automatically make me the Roleblocker?

[mail-mi]

We should lunch among the bodyguards today I think. Calamitas is towny, and I can't decide between Seprix and rr, actuslly. Seprix is sooooo scummy, but he's Seprix and I might have tunnel vision. Bodyguard is arguably the best claim for scum, so if RR is the roleblocker, it's the thing he's most likely to claim.

mail-mi is last scum.

There, I solved the game.

Oh no, you caught us! We might as well roll over and admit defeat.

[LaLight]

I don't believe RR. And I don't believe Seprix, but it's another thing. So If any of you is bodyguard, help me at the night =))

Still I'm comfortable with my vote.

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't believe RR. And I don't believe Seprix, but it's another thing. So If any of you is bodyguard, help me at the night =))

Still I'm comfortable with my vote.

If you don't believe Seprix there is literally no reason to not believe me. Do you want to feel like you caught scum?

[Calamitas]

I didn't like Seprix play from the start and his bodyguard claim is raising my suspicions again. I'm going with seprix for now, but have to count votes before doing it.

[Calamitas]

vote: Seprix (L-3)

[Calamitas]

Silver, whats your role so we can start doing the math.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 2.2

Seprix (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
RoadRunner7671 (2): LaLight, Seprix

Not Voting (3): iguanaiguana, silverspawn, RoadRunner7671

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4

[Calamitas]

vote: Seprix (L-2)

[mail-mi]

Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.

RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.

Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?

[Calamitas]

Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.

RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.

Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?

I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.

[Calamitas]

Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.

RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.

Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?

I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.

Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was guarding silver even then)

[Calamitas]

Okay, time to analyze bodyguard claims.

RR
What we know: RR targeted Silverspawn (or LaLight has a Random modifier--not actually unlikely, considering the number of PRs we have. But I'm going to assume LaLight's Tracker isn't Random.)
RR says it's because he was bodyguarding Silverspawn. Why did you bodyguard Silverspawn, RR?
Unless RR is lying town (if so, whyyyyyy), he's either the bodyguard, or mafia. Looking back at the setup, he can't be the JOAT, they don't have any non-killing targeting powers. So RR is either a bodyguard or the roleblocker.

Calamitas and Seprix
Both have only stated that they are bodyguards. Calamitas and Seprix, who did you target yesterday?

I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.

Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was trying to guard silver even then)

[Calamitas]

That happens if you try to post as quickly as possible to avoid emerging doubts because of hesitation, either way i was guarding silver in N1.

[mail-mi]

I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.

Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was trying to guard silver even then)

So which was it? Seprix or silver?

[Calamitas]

I did target Seprix twice since he is either one of the most valuable town player or scum.

Forget the twice, was referring to my N0 action I thought I would have but hadn't (was trying to guard silver even then)

So which was it? Seprix or silver?

The hell, its definitely to late out here. Guarding silver.
Good night.

[silverspawn]

VT.

And that is altogether quite interesting.

[silverspawn]

Maths:

I'm trying to do it correctly right away, but I'm not 100% sure if I got it right. Nonetheless here is what I did.

I compared five worlds:

a) The world where we have 3 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
b) The world where we have 2 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
c) The world where we have 1 Bodyguard and 1 Tracker
d) The world where we have 3 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker
e) The world where we have 2 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker

And tried to compute the a priori chance for each of them to be true. Doing this per real maths is way too complex I believe, so I simulated. That means running trial randomizations and tossing a coin into bowl 1 if a) happened to be true; a coin into bowl 2 if 2b happened to be true; etc. Stop at 100 000 coins.

To simplify, I reduced the pool of possible roles to just Bodyguard and Tracker. This shouldn't change anything because every run where another role is chosen would not count towards any of the bowls. I also removed Loud and Witness from the list of modifiers, because we seem to have none of those. Claim if this isn't true.

Results:
World a) has 24% of being true
World b) has 50% of being true
World c) has 21% of being true
World d) has 5% of being true
World e) is actually impossible (duh)

This means, purely based on probability, of the Bodyguards

Two are lying: ~1/4
One is lying: ~1/2
None is lying: ~1/4

[silverspawn]

And those are extremely frustrating results because they literally don't tell us anything. Scum got super lucky here.

[silverspawn]

so tl;dr we can forget about them (unless I did something wrong) and go back to reads.

Sorry that I couldn't deliver more, but it is what it is. In past games we used to have more telling setup probability all the time.

[mail-mi]

so tl;dr we can forget about them (unless I did something wrong) and go back to reads.

Sorry that I couldn't deliver more, but it is what it is. In past games we used to have more telling setup probability all the time.

I still think we should lynch among the bodyguards today, at least. There's a good chance one of them is lying.

[iguanaiguana]

Watcher died N1 SA

[iguanaiguana]

We also know Joseph was a VT

[silverspawn]

Watcher died N1 SA

 ... ... ... ... ... 

[silverspawn]

well fuck everything. I completely forgot about the watcher flip.

Njeh. Disregard my results. Off to do it again.

We also know Joseph was a VT

That shouldn't matter I don't think.

[silverspawn]

brrrlp back to the worlds.

a) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
b) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
c) The world where we have 1 Watcher 1 Bodyguard and 1 Tracker
d) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker
e) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker


Results:
World a) : 7,7%
World b) : 22%
World c) : 46%
World d) : 8.2%
World e) : 16%

[silverspawn]

Now this is much better.

We definitely lynch among the bodyguards.

Given that I really trust the tracker claim based on reads, c) is particularly strong compared to a) and b).

[silverspawn]

so RR, Calamitas, Seprix.

I don't want to lynch Calamitas because his "there can only be one Bodyguard, I caught you!" rang quite genuine.

Leaning Seprix over RR. The upside of lynching Seprix is that, if he flips Mafia Roleblocker, that clears Seprix based on the tracker result.

I wonder if they randomly went "Let's both claim Roleblocker, no-one will expect it!" in the QT.

[silverspawn]

clears Seprix

*clears RR

[Seprix]

Leaning Seprix over RR. The upside of lynching Seprix is that, if he flips Mafia Roleblocker, that clears Seprix based on the tracker result.

Wait, what? Clear me of what exactly? Can you tell me what the apparent problem is?

[mail-mi]

Leaning Seprix over RR. The upside of lynching Seprix is that, if he flips Mafia Roleblocker, that clears Seprix based on the tracker result.

Wait, what? Clear me of what exactly? Can you tell me what the apparent problem is?

He corrected it to "clears RR."

Working on Rewind Mafia (which you should all join!), will contribute when that's done.

[Roadrunner7671]

I targeted Silverspawn because I really thought he would get killed and I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR. Silverspawn was the obvious night kill and people found me sort of scummy on D1 so I figured I would sabe Silverspawn instead of getting mislynched

[iguanaiguana]

Watcher died N1 SA

 ... ... ... ... ... 

Very towny of you to forget it FWIW. If ever there were a legitimate townslip.....

Wait a sec, last time I said something like this, I was scum and I got lynched for it.

[iguanaiguana]

I agree with lynching a bodyguard claimant.

As for who, uh I need to reread I guess. It will take another couple of IRL days for me to do that.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm gonna report them over and over

[silverspawn]

protip: always preview things in the random stuff thread. If you accidentally click on the wrong button, the damage isn't as big.

[silverspawn]

Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.

- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,

I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.

If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR

[silverspawn]

Also his reaction to the claim wasn't amazing. I'd have prefered him going more like "wtf this isn't a guilty result stop voting"

[silverspawn]

Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?

[silverspawn]

Also... why didn't anyone realize that I claimed VT in my first post?

Greetings.

I am a towny vanilla town-aligned vanillizing townish townie. You all should do as I say.

[mail-mi]

protip: always preview things in the random stuff thread. If you accidentally click on the wrong button, the damage isn't as big.

Yeah, realized that now.  this was just the thread I had open.

And I'm coming up from getting ready for bed to check this over and over, so I will try my best to contribute tomorrow.

[ashersky]

CRAP

CRAP CRAP CRAP

GKREIG OR ASHERSKY OR SOMEONE CAN YOU PLEASE DELETE THAT AND THIS POST. I MEANT TO JUST PREVIEW IT. I'M TRYING TO SET UP THE FLAVOR FOR REWIND MAFIA, AND WAS PREVIEWING IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY FORMATTING-WISE

PLEASE NO ONE QUOTE THIS OR THAT POST.

In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.

[Calamitas]

Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?

I tried to do it yersterday night
I targetes you as well, same reason as RR.

[silverspawn]

Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?

I tried to do it yersterday night
I targetes you as well, same reason as RR.

But his reason made no sense. PRs are more likely to stay in the background, not do crazy things.

[Calamitas]

Have Calamitas and Seprix claimed targets?

I tried to do it yersterday night
I targetes you as well, same reason as RR.

But his reason made no sense. PRs are more likely to stay in the background, not do crazy things.

I thought you were playing level two and wanting us to think that you are unhelpful and creepy. I actually expected you to carefully have set breadcrumps that would all make sense after the flip in that creepy posts in the case your town. Additionally, if you aren't a PR, you are still the most experienced player in here and I expected you to have good reads when you're town.
I wasn't/an sure at all whether you are town but I estimated you as the potentially most important town player (targeting scum N1 as BG isn't even that bad) which made you my obvious target.

[LaLight]

Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.

- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,

I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.

If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR

I completely agree.

What is RB!RR?)

[silverspawn]

Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.

- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,

I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.

If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR

I completely agree.

What is RB!RR?)

X!Person means "the person provided (s)he is X"

'scum-RB!RR' means 'Roadrunner provided he is the scum Roleblocker'

[LaLight]

Back to the game... with more thought, I'm beginning to lean to RR over Seprix.

- he was the FIRST bodyguard... it was the moment where a fakeclaim made the most sense
- he claimed Bodyguard AFTER being attributed a tracking result. Everyone else had the free choice to also claim VT.
- bodyguard is the most convenient thing to claim. Only one point, so if there are too many PRs, you avoid trouble.
- i really didn't think I made sense as a PR. However,

I thought his acting weird might be because he was a PR.

If that is true, I suddenly am a logical target for scum-RB!RR

I completely agree.

What is RB!RR?)

X!Person means "the person provided (s)he is X"

'scum-RB!RR' means 'Roadrunner provided he is the scum Roleblocker'

Thank you. I agree even more now

[silverspawn]

well then

vote: RR

[Roadrunner7671]

I hope that's not a hammer

[Roadrunner7671]

And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate

[Roadrunner7671]

Also his reaction to the claim wasn't amazing. I'd have prefered him going more like "wtf this isn't a guilty result stop voting"

Ughhhhh that's not what I do though! I wouldn't react like that as town or scum

[silverspawn]

And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate

... what? why?

[Roadrunner7671]

And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate

... what? why?

It's worth one point as well. But there are two other reasons:

1. Fake claims are the band of my existance. I can't pull them off, ever. It's never happened. Even when I fake claim as town I get wrecked.

2. It's not ironic, but there's something similar to irony about claiming Roleblocker as a roleblocker. I doubt you'll get it, but I would get genuine satasfaction out of doing that. Also it makesmy fake claim so much easier. See point one for why I would want my fake claim to be easier

[LaLight]

My thoughts are:

Having thought we have 1 Bodyguard, I think that RR is scum claiming he's bg, then Calamitas is scum who thought that RR is doomed so he will protect himself claimimg he's bodyguard too, without knowing is there any. And then Seprix came who was a REAL bg so scum's plans are ruined.

[LaLight]

And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate

... what? why?

It's worth one point as well. But there are two other reasons:

1. Fake claims are the band of my existance. I can't pull them off, ever. It's never happened. Even when I fake claim as town I get wrecked.

2. It's not ironic, but there's something similar to irony about claiming Roleblocker as a roleblocker. I doubt you'll get it, but I would get genuine satasfaction out of doing that. Also it makesmy fake claim so much easier. See point one for why I would want my fake claim to be easier

About point: if you know that you're bad with this maybe you're trying to master this skill and claiming it now so after game you could say that NOW you can fakeclaim.

[Roadrunner7671]

And then LaLight came in with the craziest conspiracy theory since this one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16136.new#new
PPE

[Roadrunner7671]

And if I was fake claiming as a roleblocker, I 100% would've claimed town roleblocker. That's how I operate

... what? why?

It's worth one point as well. But there are two other reasons:

1. Fake claims are the band of my existance. I can't pull them off, ever. It's never happened. Even when I fake claim as town I get wrecked.

2. It's not ironic, but there's something similar to irony about claiming Roleblocker as a roleblocker. I doubt you'll get it, but I would get genuine satasfaction out of doing that. Also it makesmy fake claim so much easier. See point one for why I would want my fake claim to be easier

About point: if you know that you're bad with this maybe you're trying to master this skill and claiming it now so after game you could say that NOW you can fakeclaim.

That makes no sense. It would be easier to fake claim roleblocker. Then I could still say I mastered the skill of fake claiming after the game.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh man LaLight actually clicked on the link

[LaLight]

And then LaLight came in with the craziest conspiracy theory since this one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16136.new#new
PPE

Conspiracy theories are my favourite theories so far =))

[LaLight]

Oh man LaLight actually clicked on the link

I thought there would be some Mafia Game with crazy theory, man. Btw topic there is interesting enough!

[silverspawn]

Seprix

please attempt to explain the occurences of today in a logical fashion

[silverspawn]

Seprix

please attempt to explain the occurences of today in a logical fashion

meaning from your PoV. What were your thoughts behind what happened at the time, and what are they now.

[mail-mi]

No one hammer yet (if that wasn't the hammer). I'd like a chance to reread some, and I have work.

[iguanaiguana]

CRAP

CRAP CRAP CRAP

GKREIG OR ASHERSKY OR SOMEONE CAN YOU PLEASE DELETE THAT AND THIS POST. I MEANT TO JUST PREVIEW IT. I'M TRYING TO SET UP THE FLAVOR FOR REWIND MAFIA, AND WAS PREVIEWING IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY FORMATTING-WISE

PLEASE NO ONE QUOTE THIS OR THAT POST.

In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.

Based on this information about deleted posts, I think that Ashersky is scum and Mail-Mi is the mod.

[LaLight]

CRAP

CRAP CRAP CRAP

GKREIG OR ASHERSKY OR SOMEONE CAN YOU PLEASE DELETE THAT AND THIS POST. I MEANT TO JUST PREVIEW IT. I'M TRYING TO SET UP THE FLAVOR FOR REWIND MAFIA, AND WAS PREVIEWING IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY FORMATTING-WISE

PLEASE NO ONE QUOTE THIS OR THAT POST.

In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.

Based on this information about deleted posts, I think that Ashersky is scum and Mail-Mi is the mod.

II how dare you? Mail-mi asked not to quote this!

[mail-mi]

CRAP

CRAP CRAP CRAP

GKREIG OR ASHERSKY OR SOMEONE CAN YOU PLEASE DELETE THAT AND THIS POST. I MEANT TO JUST PREVIEW IT. I'M TRYING TO SET UP THE FLAVOR FOR REWIND MAFIA, AND WAS PREVIEWING IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY FORMATTING-WISE

PLEASE NO ONE QUOTE THIS OR THAT POST.

In my modpinion, since you are a player, these posts fall under Standard Rule #8 and remain a part of the game forever.

Based on this information about deleted posts, I think that Ashersky is scum and Mail-Mi is the mod.

II how dare you? Mail-mi asked not to quote this!

Doesn't really matter now, since the posts can't be deleted, unless gkreig says otherwise.

[iguanaiguana]

oh my bad.

I was just trying to be a clever.

[Seprix]

Seprix

please attempt to explain the occurences of today in a logical fashion

meaning from your PoV. What were your thoughts behind what happened at the time, and what are they now.

I will try. One moment.

[Seprix]

Setup Post:

Town PRs (power roles) will be chosen the following way:

- Roles and modifiers will be randomly selected from the roles and modifiers lists until the points add up to 7 or more. The modifiers and roles will be applied to the 7 town members independently, so you may end up with a VT (vanilla townie) that has a modifier, or a PR (power role) with no modifier.
- All modifiers will be unknown.
- Town members who don't get a role will be a VT.
Roles:

• Jailkeeper: 4
  
• Tracker: 4
  
• Watcher: 4
  
• Rolecop: 4
  
• Vigilante: 3
  
• Doctor: 2
  
• Neapolitan: 1
  
• Roleblocker: 1
  
• Bodyguard: 1
  

Modifiers:

• Random: -3
• Weak: -2
• Miller (always shown as JOAT to rolecop): -1
• Witness (always shown targeting the person who died if tracked): 0
• Framed (always shown as targeting the person who was killed for a watcher): 0
• Macho: 0
• Loud: 1
• Ascetic: 2
• Vanillaising: 2

- Mafia will be:

1 Mafia JOAT (1-shot of each: Strongman, Ninja, Godfather)
1 Mafia Goon if the number is 7 or lower, 1 Mafia Roleblocker if the number is 8 or higher


All players will be given role QTs and all communications with the mod should be made in those role QTs.
The PRs and modifiers have been designed so none of the PRs can ever be 100% certain of their results!

First, it is very important to look at this list. I want you all to pay close attention to it.

[gkrieg13]

well I'm not sure what happened but I think ash took care of it.

[mail-mi]

hey, they got deleted! Wonder who did it...

[Seprix]

I have two claims to make:

1. Silverspawn claims to be a delayed Doctor. Where is Delayed on the modifier list? Silverspawn is lying, and is clearly scum. I've kept my mouth shut for a while, just to see what he's been pushing. He pushed for my lynch, and then RR later on when it seems like RR is going to die.
2. LaLight is almost certainly town. If he is scum, he has played so well as to convince me, and he deserves the win.
3. All three of Calamitas, RR, and myself have claimed Bodyguard. One of us is almost certainly lying.
4. RR has the most incentive to go first, but since SS is pushing for RR (and me), and I have found SS to be lying (so far according to my theory), I think the correct lynch is actually Calamitas.

There is a Roleblocker scum player, since both Joseph and LaLight have +4 town abilities. There may be some modifiers that negate (such as Silverspawn's delayed Doctor for example), but the claims of 3 Bodyguards almost necessitate 2 to be real, 1 to be false.

unvote

[LaLight]

I have two claims to make:

1. Silverspawn claims to be a delayed Doctor. Where is Delayed on the modifier list? Silverspawn is lying, and is clearly scum. I've kept my mouth shut for a while, just to see what he's been pushing. He pushed for my lynch, and then RR later on when it seems like RR is going to die.
2. LaLight is almost certainly town. If he is scum, he has played so well as to convince me, and he deserves the win.
3. All three of Calamitas, RR, and myself have claimed Bodyguard. One of us is almost certainly lying.
4. RR has the most incentive to go first, but since SS is pushing for RR (and me), and I have found SS to be lying (so far according to my theory), I think the correct lynch is actually Calamitas.

There is a Roleblocker scum player, since both Joseph and LaLight have +4 town abilities. There may be some modifiers that negate (such as Silverspawn's delayed Doctor for example), but the claims of 3 Bodyguards almost necessitate 2 to be real, 1 to be false.

unvote

I think you confused two games. SS didn't say he's delayed doctor. Rethink please.

[Seprix]

...He didn't?

[silverspawn]

Lol.

[silverspawn]

You must not think very highly of my scum play

[Seprix]

You must not think very highly of my scum play

No, I did. I hate playing more than one mafia game at a time.

[Seprix]

Anyways, all of that goes out the window then. Oh well.

RR is scum, dunno the third one then.

I targeted SS last night, and he didn't die, because then I would have died instead.

[silverspawn]

it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.

Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?

[Seprix]

it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.

Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?

Think of it this way: Calamitas would have felt pressured to go another direction as scum instead of Bodyguard. Now take me. I would have felt even more pressured to go for another town role over Bodyguard. There are three of them now.

[silverspawn]

it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.

Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?

Think of it this way: Calamitas would have felt pressured to go another direction as scum instead of Bodyguard. Now take me. I would have felt even more pressured to go for another town role over Bodyguard. There are three of them now.

I already made that point in your favor. I was hoping you could give me something beyond that.

[mail-mi]

Seprix comes in with a long and helpful post...which is wrong. *sigh*

After thinking about it for a little bit, RR did take the most convenient claim as scum. But Seprix is crafty enough as scum to think about doing this I think. He would know that the last claimant is usually considered the truthful one. Is he ballsy enough to claim the third bodyguard? Yes, I think so. He's been extremely unhelpful this entire game, and it's because he's scum trying to play up his town meta.

I'm keeping my vote where it is.

[Seprix]

it would be quite funny if I was protected by three bodyguards at once last night. I really feel flattered.

Still - seprix, explain to me why I'm supposed to vote for RR over you. Or do you think it's Calamitas?

Think of it this way: Calamitas would have felt pressured to go another direction as scum instead of Bodyguard. Now take me. I would have felt even more pressured to go for another town role over Bodyguard. There are three of them now.

I already made that point in your favor. I was hoping you could give me something beyond that.

Right. I mean, that point is very convincing in itself. I don't really think I have a better argument for not me over anyone else.

Seprix comes in with a long and helpful post...which is wrong. *sigh*

After thinking about it for a little bit, RR did take the most convenient claim as scum. But Seprix is crafty enough as scum to think about doing this I think. He would know that the last claimant is usually considered the truthful one. Is he ballsy enough to claim the third bodyguard? Yes, I think so. He's been extremely unhelpful this entire game, and it's because he's scum trying to play up his town meta.

I'm keeping my vote where it is.

What, because I pointed it out? Let's keep playing this wonderful WIFOM game, where you we all must see behind motives and reveal even more motives to see through.

[Seprix]

And here's something to think about too, Mail: What about Calamitas? Just because I've been blatantly unhelpful doesn't mean I am scum. Maybe I feel like playing an Awaclusian game.

[mail-mi]

And here's something to think about too, Mail: What about Calamitas? Just because I've been blatantly unhelpful doesn't mean I am scum. Maybe I feel like playing an Awaclusian game.

Calamitas' reaction was genuine and townie, and as a newbie scum he'd be inclined to say something else. Not so with you.

If you are town, thanks a lot for feeling like that .

[iguanaiguana]

This game would be funny if all three bodyguards are legit and we're in the 5% or w/e bowl.

[iguanaiguana]

Let's do a little old fashioned voting analysis

Vote Count 1.2


silverspawn (1): LaLight
iguanaiguana (3): SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Calamitas
Calamitas (3): Seprix, silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): Joseph2302

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25

Roadrunner and Calamitas on me. Seprix on fellow bodyguard Calamitas.

Vote Count 1.3


iguanaiguana (2): SpaceAnemone, Calamitas
Calamitas (2): silverspawn, iguanaiguana
Seprix (2): mail-mi, LaLight

Not Voting (3): Joseph2302, Seprix, RoadRunner7671

Calamitas still on me, Roadrunner and Seprix not voting.

Vote Count 1.4


iguanaiguana (1): Calamitas
Calamitas (1): iguanaiguana
Seprix (3): mail-mi, LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

Same, but note how town!Joseph joins the Seprix wagon.

Vote Count 1.5

iguanaiguana (2): Calamitas, Seprix
Seprix (2): LaLight, Joseph
Joseph2302 (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 24 hours left

Seprix goes after me. Roadrunner still doesn't vote.

Vote Count 1.6


iguanaiguana (1): Seprix
Seprix (4): LaLight, Joseph, mail-mi, Calamitas {L-1}
Joseph2302 (3): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends at noon on Thursday, August 25, less than 18 hours left

Calamitas moves to Seprix. Seprix is still on me. Roadrunner still not voting.

Vote Count 1.final

LaLight (1): Calamitas
Seprix (2): Joseph, mail-mi
Joseph2302 (5): iguanaiguana, silverspawn, LaLight, SpaceAnemone, Seprix

Not Voting (1): RoadRunner7671

Calamitas moves to LaLight. Seprix hammers Joseph. Roadrunner still not voting.

Questions for Seprix

Why did you vote for me all day on D1? What did you find scummy about me? Why did you move to hammer Joseph? Who, if anyone, do you think is scum on the wagon that was on you for much of D1?

Questions for Roadrunner

Why didn't you vote all day? Who are your scumreads?

Questions for Calamitas

Why did you scumread me most of D1? What happened to that scumread now? Why did you switch to LaLight at the end of the day?

[iguanaiguana]

I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...

[Roadrunner7671]

I just don't vote as much as I should. I haven't had many strong scum reads so I've just sort of sat around. I guess Seprix is my top scum read simply because he's crazy enough to WIFOM claim the third bodyguard

[mail-mi]

I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...

WIFOM? But that is another good point...

[iguanaiguana]

I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...

WIFOM? But that is another good point...

Sure but is scum expecting me to dig up that quote?

[mail-mi]

I'm at risk of seeming like I'm only interested in tunnelling Iguana here. I also think Seprix's suspicion-list is also valid, and would generally like to hear more from those players, especially if we take it that Seprix's general play style tends to run people the wrong way in terms of scumminess.

Town!Space's reads included heavy scum on me and heavy town on Seprix. He also stayed on the Joseph mislynch almost all day. Hard to see a reason for scum!Seprix to shoot him...

WIFOM? But that is another good point...

Sure but is scum expecting me to dig up that quote?

Also PR hunting. But no. I'm going to reread tonight and see. I'm becoming more and more convinced that I'm wrong though.  Or that maybe they're scum together, Seprix and RR.

[iguanaiguana]

I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental

imaginary vote: hidden player

Did silver ever explain this?

[silverspawn]

I have suspicion but I think revealing it would be detrimental

imaginary vote: hidden player

Did silver ever explain this?

I think so. the suspicion was on Joseph and I wanted to see how he reacted before telling anyone.

[iguanaiguana]

So one thing that interests and concerns me in my reread is that all three of Seprix, Roadrunner and Calamitas found me scummy D1, and none of them really pushed me at all today.

Why is that, yall?

[Calamitas]

Coming just back from an exhausting day in Porto, will post tomorrow when I have read all the new posts. Good night.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Seprix
I sort of feel like if Seprix was on a team with a newbie he'd figure he would have to fake claim a PR but he wouldn't want to because he'd be worried that he would mess it up, so he's just refusing to claim.

Does that make sense?

This post feels like Roadrunner could be talking about his own feelings and then just saying "Seprix" instead of "Roadrunner."

[iguanaiguana]

Yeah, I guess I like lynching Roadrunner best. It's tough between Calamitas/Roadrunner but I think Calamitas has a handful of really towny posts that I don't think he faked as scum.

[iguanaiguana]

Oh wow. No time to sleep I guess.

I am a Bodyguard. You probably shouldn't lynch me

vote:roadrunner!!!!!

This reaction is pretty townie so that's one of them.

[iguanaiguana]

I take credit for creating this rule

Okay, is there any chance Silver's coloured fonts or pictures or imaginary votes are breadcrummy or helpful or anything other than a bizarre set of distractions to lead us away from useful game-play?

Might be the case but not sure which kind of steganography he might have used.

I thought steganography was explicitly forbidden, but I can't find a reference for that just now.

With a jpeg image like the most recent one he posted, if you can find a library that gives you access to the DCT coefficients, you can analyse the statistics of them as a way of looking for steganographoic tampering, since conceptually that's the easiest place to bury information. But I'm guessing it would be a big waste of time in this instance because Silver is just flat-out messing with us. Steganography is neat, though :-)

Steganography is not limited to pictures, everu breadcrump is some kind of steganography. Actually, the picture version was the reason I asked about the exact limitations of posting pictures ;-)
But since media you create (and manipulate for integration information) is forbidden, there is no reason to look for sth.  like that.

I don't think scum!Calamitas wastes his time musing about whether there is a hidden message in silverspawn's Spirited Away jpegs.

[silverspawn]

the hidden message is that I like Spirited Away ♥

[silverspawn]

honestly though, that's not alignment indicative [referring to Calamitas posting about it]

[iguanaiguana]

My Calamitas reread comes to the conclusion that he is a lot townier than what I thought yesterday. Not even sure why I was scumreading him yesterday

Vote: Roadrunner

I hate voting Roadrunner : /

[mail-mi]

Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).

[iguanaiguana]

Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).

He always is though. Did I tell you already about the time that he claimed lovers with scum D1 with no information to protect them from getting lynched? He was town, and not the scum's lover.

[mail-mi]

Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).

He always is though. Did I tell you already about the time that he claimed lovers with scum D1 with no information to protect them from getting lynched? He was town, and not the scum's lover.

No. No you didn't.

[iguanaiguana]

Man, I have no time to reread at all. I am getting more convinced by roadrunner case. I'll jump on it if it needs a lynch, but I still think seprix is super scummy. (Can't take off my tunnel vision goggles I guess).

He always is though. Did I tell you already about the time that he claimed lovers with scum D1 with no information to protect them from getting lynched? He was town, and not the scum's lover.

No. No you didn't.

The argument for Seprix being scum this game is that he is intentionally making 'mistakes' in order to imitate his meta of making mistakes and weird rash decisions, and that the sheer number of sloppy and misinformed things he's said this game is too staggering for him to be actual town saying all of it.

By no means should you believe that he's scum because of scummy play. If anything, he's scum because he's imitated his town meta to the extreme.

[Seprix]

My Calamitas reread comes to the conclusion that he is a lot townier than what I thought yesterday. Not even sure why I was scumreading him yesterday

Vote: Roadrunner

I hate voting Roadrunner : /

Pretty sure you just lynched RR

[Seprix]

Yup. Silverspawn, RR, Iguana, and LaLight are voting for RR. That is a lynch.

RR, were you town?

[Seprix]

please please please please flip

[mail-mi]

Deep derp derp.

Well I hope he's the scum one. Seems most likely at this point.

[Seprix]

Deep derp derp.

Well I hope he's the scum one. Seems most likely at this point.

Yes, that is the hope.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 2.2

Seprix (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
RoadRunner7671 (3): LaLight, silverspawn, iguanaiguana {L-1}

Not Voting (2): Seprix, RoadRunner7671

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4

[mail-mi]

oh.

Maybe willing to hammer. Need to figure out stuff, hopefully tonight.

[Roadrunner7671]

I was pretty mad/sad so I just fumed instead of posting. Also we just replaced our wifi and the service in my room is awful so there's that. A nice first world problem

[Roadrunner7671]

I was connected to my neighbors' Wifi but it cut out in the middle of a post, so that's bad.

In other news, there's probably no chance of me not getting lynched today. So I'll post a few last thoughts, go to bed and probably never wake up 

[Roadrunner7671]

So I guess Seprix is my top scum read. A scum team of Seprix and Calamitas actually seems possible/probable to me. Maybe LaLight's conspiracy theories are contagious. But I think that's all I got. Town on LaLight for obvious reasons, everyone else is varying shades of null.

But just remember that tomorrow is LyLo and you guys should 100% lynch Seprix or Calamitas tomorrow.

[Roadrunner7671]

We either had ballsy scum or terrible shuffle luck with our PRs. Either way, I don't think I played particularly scummy. I don't know why I'm the 'go to' lynch.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote Count 2.2

Seprix (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
RoadRunner7671 (3): LaLight, silverspawn, iguanaiguana {L-1}

Not Voting (2): iguanaiguana, RoadRunner7671

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4

Iguanaiguana is both voting for me and not voting! And you forgot Seprix. I might actually be hammered

[Roadrunner7671]

Guys I'm hammered

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm dead

[mail-mi]

Your claim was just too convenient man.

Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.

Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.

[mail-mi]

I'm dead

Are you...?

Wait. Didn't Seprix unvote? Did he ever put his vote back on you?

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not dead bu the way

[mail-mi]

Your claim was just too convenient man.

Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.

Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.

btw, didn't see RR's two most recent posts when I posted this.

PPE 1

[Roadrunner7671]

Your claim was just too convenient man.

Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.

Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.

What's ATE?

And my claim was the most inconvenient thing to happen to me in my entire career, for reasoned stressed above

[mail-mi]

Your claim was just too convenient man.

Really don't like the not-so-subtle ATE in those posts.

Intent to Hammer tomorrow morning.

What's ATE?

And my claim was the most inconvenient thing to happen to me in my entire career, for reasoned stressed above

Appeal to emotion. Like here:

I was connected to my neighbors' Wifi but it cut out in the middle of a post, so that's bad.

In other news, there's probably no chance of me not getting lynched today. So I'll post a few last thoughts, go to bed and probably never wake up 

I will agree to that if you flip town.

[Roadrunner7671]

That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?

[mail-mi]

That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?

...exactly? You're being overdramatic and emotional, aka, ATE.

[Roadrunner7671]

That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?

...exactly? You're being overdramatic and emotional, aka, ATE.

Get rid of the A and the T and you'd be correct. I know appealing to emotion doesn't work. You're just out to get me!

[mail-mi]

That's just RR being overdramatic. It is true though. I probably will be dead before I wake up. Sorry* that you don't like the way I write?

...exactly? You're being overdramatic and emotional, aka, ATE.

Get rid of the A and the T and you'd be correct. I know appealing to emotion doesn't work. You're just out to get me!

there it is again.

Dude, I have been on Seprix all day. If you're town, I'm going to be taking a serious look at everyone who was pushing the lynch away from Seprix and on to you.

[Roadrunner7671]

Considering I'll be in a wooden box by that point, I'm not really comforted by that thought. But I guess I appreciate the gesture

(Now I'm doing it on purpose)

[silverspawn]

There is still time to move the lynch away and to Seprix... if we want

The probelm is just that I don'T think I want, based on RR's behavior.

[LaLight]

There is still time to move the lynch away and to Seprix... if we want

The probelm is just that I don'T think I want, based on RR's behavior.

I don't want either. Don't like voting for rr cause he's cool, but nevertheless i'm pretty sure he's scum

[Calamitas]

Intent to hammer

[LaLight]

[Calamitas]

@iguana

My main reason to believe you're scummy was your interaction with Seprix. However, the rest of D1 and D2 have shown me that that was far less scummy than I thought at first. Therefore I wasn't pushing it anymore.
I changed to LaLight because a few posts from him felt forced and just there to strengthen the image of a towny, naive newbie which is/was IMO absolutely scummy. Still feel kind of that way, but some posts from him seem genuine and actually town (e.g. reaction on fakehammer).

But anyway, its obvious that we should lynch among the bodyguards today and I am tending in the rr direction right now. Intending to hammer in about 1-2 hours if nothing significant happens up to then.

[iguanaiguana]

Unvote

[iguanaiguana]

There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix

[iguanaiguana]

There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix Roadrunner, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix

[iguanaiguana]

Yeah I've looked at the situation a bunch of times and I'm convinced this is my best move here. I don't like my odds voting Roadrunner. It feels like a mislynch.

[silverspawn]

It really doesn't feel like that, though. The partner is probably bussing at this point.

[silverspawn]

I'm surprised that you thik RR's flailing is towny. That's like one of the least towny flailings he's ever done.

[Calamitas]

There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix Roadrunner, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix

I assume the scum partner is bussing to not stand out after RR flips as mafia RB. Someone who actively defends RR would clearly be on the radar then. Especially since rr is if he is actual scum doomed in either way. If Seprix would be todays lynch (those two are by now the only targets that make sense) and flip bodyguard, rr is very likely to get lynched tomorrow.

[silverspawn]

With Calamitas and mail-mi, we still get the lynch through

@igu: if you want to sell me on Seprix, give me a better reason than RR's flailing.

[mail-mi]

There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix

I'm with silver here: the flailing looks faked, not townie. However I do think it might be a Seprix/rr scum team (with same claims to distance themselves totally). I agree with what you were saying earlier, that Seprix is playing up his town meta way too much.

[silverspawn]

Suggestion: If we lynch the roleblocker or goon today, both Bodyguards target our tracker

This seems to be one of the rare times where directing PRs is a good idea.

Reason: mafia can now either not kill the tracker, or they confirm that the second scum is also among the bodyguards. with just one Strongman shot, the last mafia can not block both bodyguards.

Of course that only works one way. If the tracker stays alive, then the second scum could still be among the bodyguards.

However, having the tracker alive is super great with just one scum left. If it wasn't for the one-shot Ninja, it'd be akin to a cop. Whoever is targeted with no result when someone dies is cleared.

[mail-mi]

I agree wholeheartedly.

[Seprix]

Okay, I faked a hammer so that we can get a claim out of RR. Sadly, Gkreig posted, so that couldn't happen, I should have waited until RR was online, Bad timing. However, his actions were incredibly contrived. I think we can hammer RR.

vote: RR

[Seprix]

Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.

[mail-mi]

Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.

Could you, like, respond to that reason with why it's dumb?

[LaLight]

Suggestion: If we lynch the roleblocker or goon today, both Bodyguards target our tracker

This seems to be one of the rare times where directing PRs is a good idea.

Reason: mafia can now either not kill the tracker, or they confirm that the second scum is also among the bodyguards. with just one Strongman shot, the last mafia can not block both bodyguards.

Of course that only works one way. If the tracker stays alive, then the second scum could still be among the bodyguards.

However, having the tracker alive is super great with just one scum left. If it wasn't for the one-shot Ninja, it'd be akin to a cop. Whoever is targeted with no result when someone dies is cleared.

I like this suggestion. But reading on roles, first: I don't see a strongman that makes you towny (doesn't it?) and even if it was, strongman kills no matter how much bodyguards I have

[Seprix]

Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.

Could you, like, respond to that reason with why it's dumb?

Because it's dumb. Why would I claim Bodyguard when two other people did it ahead of me, unless it was true? But wait. Shocker. You think I'm so clever, that I would count on that. You've made up your mind already. You've been voting me all day. Don't even pretend to be unbiased.

[mail-mi]

Well, strongman might break through only one layer of protection, instead of all layers.

That's a good question to ask gkreig, actually. Does the Strongman break through one layer of all layers of protection?

[mail-mi]

Now someone finish the job, since Iguana chickened out and thinks I'm scum for some dumb reason.

Could you, like, respond to that reason with why it's dumb?

Because it's dumb. Why would I claim Bodyguard when two other people did it ahead of me, unless it was true? But wait. Shocker. You think I'm so clever, that I would count on that. You've made up your mind already. You've been voting me all day. Don't even pretend to be unbiased.

Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.

[gkrieg13]

Strongman breaks through one layer of protection

[Seprix]

Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.

What information can I give you that you don't already know?

[Calamitas]

Suggestion: If we lynch the roleblocker or goon today, both Bodyguards target our tracker

This seems to be one of the rare times where directing PRs is a good idea.

Reason: mafia can now either not kill the tracker, or they confirm that the second scum is also among the bodyguards. with just one Strongman shot, the last mafia can not block both bodyguards.

Of course that only works one way. If the tracker stays alive, then the second scum could still be among the bodyguards.

However, having the tracker alive is super great with just one scum left. If it wasn't for the one-shot Ninja, it'd be akin to a cop. Whoever is targeted with no result when someone dies is cleared.

Agreeing totally. The question is whether we should give our tracker a target. I am against it since mafia would know when to trigger the ninja. Therefore I would be going with unknown/random tracking.

What should I do if we don't kill a mafia member but an actual bodyguard? I would say still targeting tracker to force mafia to use the strongman shoy.

[Calamitas]

Strongman breaks through one layer of protection

Which layer is on top? The more recent or the older one?

[mail-mi]

Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.

What information can I give you that you don't already know?

Why the heck were you so anti-town on d1?

[Seprix]

No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.

[Seprix]

Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.

What information can I give you that you don't already know?

Why the heck were you so anti-town on d1?

I wanted reactions. People reacted.

[Seprix]

@SS

Do we have a plan in the event that we don't hit the Roleblocker?

[Calamitas]

No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.

Except random targeting
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

[mail-mi]

No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.

Except random targeting
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Potential scum slip indeed...

Not pretending to be unbiased. I totally do have a bias against you that I am trying to get rid of.

You're not helping with me getting rid of it either, by the way.

What information can I give you that you don't already know?

Why the heck were you so anti-town on d1?

I wanted reactions. People reacted.

well alright then.

[LaLight]

No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.

Except random targeting
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.

[Seprix]

Jesus Christ, it's not a damn scumslip. I already concluded that it was incredibly likely for there to be a Roleblocker.

[Seprix]

vote: Calamitas

[LaLight]

Jesus Christ, it's not a damn scumslip. I already concluded that it was incredibly likely for there to be a Roleblocker.

For the first time I actually agree with you and try to believe you're town.

[silverspawn]

@SS

Do we have a plan in the event that we don't hit the Roleblocker?

everyone does what he wants I think

and definitely don't direct the tracker. That just helps scum.

[Seprix]

There is a Roleblocker scum player, since both Joseph and LaLight have +4 town abilities. There may be some modifiers that negate (such as Silverspawn's delayed Doctor for example), but the claims of 3 Bodyguards almost necessitate 2 to be real, 1 to be false.

Like, I said this a day ago. We all basically agreed on this. So why is the scumslip narrative a thing?

[silverspawn]

that's one of the silliest scumslip arguments I've ever heard.

[LaLight]

that's one of the silliest scumslip arguments I've ever heard.

Confirmed. For me he just said that he's scum himself

[Calamitas]

No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.

Except random targeting
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.

There are still a bunch of modifiers out there we don't know. And it is incredibly likely that at least 1 bodyguard is fakeclaiming so that we are only at 10. Its not that hard to get to <8 from there if you look at the points associated with the modifiers. But its probably no scumslip just a consequence of us talking for ages about the rb.

[Seprix]

Now I have to think about how likely it is for scum!Calamitas to bring up that scumslip, based on if he is Goons or Roleblocker or not. Then I have to think about whether or not he even is scum or not.

[mail-mi]

No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.

Except random targeting
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.

Why is that post super scummy? I forgot too that we had discussed this earlier today. Calamitas as town or scum has incentive to find evidence of the other bodyguard's scumminess to avoid his lynch/mislynch.

But yeah, actually thinking about it, we did talk about it earlier. I forgot that.

[LaLight]

No. We do not tell the Tracker what to do. The Tracker is intelligent enough to know what to do, and any directions can be used and abused by scum.

The only issue is that if we don't hit the Roleblocker, the Tracker is effectively useless.

Except random targeting
We aren't sure if there is a roleblocker (potential scumslip? ), might be there is just a goon. We only know that rr cannot be a goon (assuming Lalight is the tracker), anyone else might be a goon.

Well, this post is SUPER scummy. We know this because Having Tracker (4), Watcher (4) and 3 bodyguards (1+1+1) (Or only some of these) we know there'll be a RB (from the OP). And you're so scummy that I won't change my vote from RR but I'm watching you.

There are still a bunch of modifiers out there we don't know. And it is incredibly likely that at least 1 bodyguard is fakeclaiming so that we are only at 10. Its not that hard to get to <8 from there if you look at the points associated with the modifiers. But its probably no scumslip just a consequence of us talking for ages about the rb.

We need to be <7 at this point.

[LaLight]

ok, simple math now:

Watcher was. 4 we have
Tracker is 4 more we have
Calamitas claims BG 1 we have
I know RR is PR. Minimum 1 we have.

So from Calamitas' PoV we have 10 SURELY. And not to have RB it needs to be 6 or less. Can someone count the possibility of such?

[LaLight]

One more rules question: does 1-shot ninja work automatically or a man must choose if to use it?

[silverspawn]

There still seems to be confusion about how the setup works.

Let me explain (because I clarified it exactly in my QT).

 - Randomize Role
 - Give Role to random player without role
 - Attribute points
 - IF points >= 7 then END
 - Randomize Modifier
 - Give Modifier to random player withou modifier
 - Attribute Points
 - IF points >= 7 OR all players have a role and a modifier then END else REPEAT

END: IF points > 7 make goon -> Roleblocker

Alas, we could easily have scenarios without a roleblocker, e.g. Bodyguard (1) -> Weak (-1) -> Bodyguard (0) -> Random (-3) -> Tracker (1) -> Ascetic (3) -> Watcher (7) -> END

One more rules question: does 1-shot ninja work automatically or a man must choose if to use it?

You must choose to use it.

[silverspawn]

I don't even know if having a RB is > 50%. I could find that out if it's important...

[LaLight]

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

[Seprix]

I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.

[LaLight]

do we know about modifiers if we have 'em?

[Calamitas]

do we know about modifiers if we have 'em?

They are fully hidden

[Calamitas]

I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.

Modifiers are hidden

[LaLight]

I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.

Modifiers are hidden

Do we know if the watcher had modifiers?

[silverspawn]

It says so in the setup, too 

[silverspawn]

I have no weird modifiers on my ability. RR and Calamitas say the same.

Modifiers are hidden

Do we know if the watcher had modifiers?

no

[LaLight]

well, then I'll do this.

I trust Silver I realise and maybe too much, but I think he's clearly town. Thinking on all these bodyguards the most suspicious is

Vote: Calamitas

[silverspawn]

what

why?

[mail-mi]

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

[LaLight]

what

why?

I still think that RR is scum, but i'm not so sure. Though I'm more sure about Calamitas

[silverspawn]

again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?

[LaLight]

again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?

well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.

[iguanaiguana]

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.

[iguanaiguana]

I should say, a small chance.

[Calamitas]

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.

How is the random modifier working exactly?

[iguanaiguana]

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.

How is the random modifier working exactly?

Lalight tries to track someone, gets the result of a random player's activity anyway. So basically, LaLight could be a random tracker who tried to track Roadrunner and was randomly redirected to any other player who actually did target silverspawn.

More likely, his tracking just works normally.

[silverspawn]

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

Actually since all bodyguards claimed to target silverspawn, there's a decent chance of LaLight actually being a random tracker.

How is the random modifier working exactly?

If you use your power, your chosen target is ignored, and instead your target is randomized.

[silverspawn]

ignore the second why. I forgot the tracker result.

[LaLight]

I've read that Random means 50% success

[silverspawn]

Actually that is an argument against the RR lynch. If requires him to be a RB which is only about 50% likely to exist... multiplied to the 50% that RR is him if he's scum.

Huuhhh maybe we should lynch Seprix after all?

But definitely not Calamitas I don't think.

[silverspawn]

I've read that Random means 50% success

huh. mafia wiki does say that.

Does random mean random targets?

Still pretty sure it does.

[LaLight]

Actually that is an argument against the RR lynch. If requires him to be a RB which is only about 50% likely to exist... multiplied to the 50% that RR is him if he's scum.

That's why I changed my mind.
I don't think Seprix is scum actually.

[silverspawn]

but Calamitas' reactions were towny.

[LaLight]

but Calamitas' reactions were towny.

Or fake.

[mail-mi]

oh, btw, small question: do we want to flavor claim at all? or is it just pointless? it's probably pointless, but i figured i should ask.

[Seprix]

Yeah, fully against RR lynch now. I am fully on the Calamitas train, but I'm probably going to get lynched instead.

[silverspawn]

this is odd.

[Seprix]

If I were anyone else, I'd lynch me. I'm fully expecting you all to come to the same conclusion. Calamitas has played a good game.

[gkrieg13]

I've read that Random means 50% success

huh. mafia wiki does say that.

Does random mean random targets?

Still pretty sure it does.

How you described it is true.  The chosen target is disregarded and a random target is chosen instead.

[iguanaiguana]

again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?

well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.

Don't confuse wrong with scum. Scum tries to be right about everything as much as possible so that town doesn't suspect them. Town often just say things and they turn out to be wrong, and that's how we clarify misunderstandings anyway.

[iguanaiguana]

oh, btw, small question: do we want to flavor claim at all? or is it just pointless? it's probably pointless, but i figured i should ask.

I got "Trampoline," so as my confirm I said I'm a trampoline! which prompted Gkrieg to reply, No, you are the sport Trampoline.

[LaLight]

I am Cycling
I am confused
I unvote
I go home will be there in 2 hours
I hope i'll understand smth then

[mail-mi]

Hold up.

Why is everyone against RR now? I was just looking through the claims again on reread.

Firstly, while Calamitas and Seprix do have some incentive to claim bodyguard as scum, it's so little compared to RR's incentive. RR has to get out of a tracker claim, the other two are just counterclaims. If I'm scum!Calamitas, and maybe scum!Seprix (though I can see scum!seprix claiming to just add a lot of confusion to the mix), I think "well, i shouldn't claim bodyguard anymore, maybe roleblocker or doctor?"

RR's flailing is what convinced me fully. Still think it could be seprix/RR, but I'm more convinced on RR now than I am on seprix.

vote: roadrunner. he's at L-something now.

[silverspawn]

I am a  Beach Volleyball. I could bounce on and off iguana. But you can't quote that out of context bnecause it's a mafia game.

[iguanaiguana]

I am a  Beach Volleyball. I could bounce on and off iguana. But you can't quote that out of context bnecause it's a mafia game.

Not until we win!

[mail-mi]

P.S. I'm Diving.

[iguanaiguana]

I guess voting Roadrunner isn't terrible. I just don't want to be wrong : (

[Calamitas]

again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?

well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.

How should I interpret the last sentence?

[Seprix]

I am Swimming.

I can vote either RR or Calamitas, honestly. Calamitas is just as likely as RR in my opinion.

[LaLight]

again.

why?

well. confusing all of it. maybe rr is not rb now. well. need to think. pretty sure about calamitas though

If RR is scum, he's rb. There's no way he isn't Rb if he's scum.

Man, this claim stuff is confusing. I need to do a reread and see which bodyguard is the worst.

why?

well, your post persuaded me that RR CAN be bodyguard. His reactions were not so scummy as, say, calamitas trying to say here can be no roleblocker.

How should I interpret the last sentence?

I said about your words that there can be no roleblocker. I think it's too scummy. Just so

[Calamitas]

In how far is it scummy to point out that there is actually a
not neglectable possibility of having JOAT+goon instead of JOAT+RB.

[mail-mi]

In how far is it scummy to point out that there is actually a
not neglectable possibility of having JOAT+goon instead of JOAT+RB.

yeah, I'm with calamitas on this one. It wasn't a seprix scumslip, as others have pointed out, but bringing this up is not scummy.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 2.3

Seprix (2): Calamitas, iguanaiguana
RoadRunner7671 (2): silverspawn, mail-mi
Calamitas (1): Seprix

Not Voting (2): RoadRunner7671, LaLight

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at noon on Sunday, September 4

[iguanaiguana]

If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.

Vote: Roadrunner L-1

[Roadrunner7671]

If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.

Vote: Roadrunner L-1

Why don't we chat about that now so that I don't get lynched by you?

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh I'm Badminton, seeing as how we're flavor claiming

[iguanaiguana]

Unvote fine

[iguanaiguana]

Do something productive you fool

[Roadrunner7671]

And I didn't post all day because I saw that things were looking up for me and I didn't want to mess it all up like I inevitably would. But I'm at L-1 anyway. So that's no good 
PPE 2

[Seprix]

Here.

[Roadrunner7671]

Do something productive you fool

See my post above. But I guess I'm here now. So I can do productive stuff.
PPE

[Roadrunner7671]

Here.

What?

[Seprix]

I'm here. That's what.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm here. That's what.

Okay. Hi

[iguanaiguana]

Roadrunner, do a reread of Seprix and Calamitas, decide which one is more scummy, and vote for them.

[iguanaiguana]

Do you understand why people think it's scummy when your reaction to thinking "things are looking up for me" is "I'd better say nothing!"

[iguanaiguana]

I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.

[Roadrunner7671]

Do you understand why people think it's scummy when your reaction to thinking "things are looking up for me" is "I'd better say nothing!"

Except you know it's true!

[iguanaiguana]

Talk me through what you were thinking. I want to hear the true thought process behind your actions.

[Seprix]

I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.

Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.

[Roadrunner7671]

Talk me through what you were thinking. I want to hear the true thought process behind your actions.

Me?
PPE

[iguanaiguana]

Do you understand why people think it's scummy when your reaction to thinking "things are looking up for me" is "I'd better say nothing!"

Except you know it's true!

Okay, sure.

Roadrunner, do a reread of Seprix and Calamitas, decide which one is more scummy, and vote for them.

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner, do a reread of Seprix and Calamitas, decide which one is more scummy, and vote for them.

I will do that, yes

[iguanaiguana]

I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.

Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.

Why are you so careless when it gets you lynched? Are you careless as scum also? Why should we be townreading you? What towny thing have you done? What post of yours shows a townie thought process?

[mail-mi]

town points to iguana.

[iguanaiguana]

town points to iguana.

No, I say all of this as scum for the town points, and to confuse and annoy them. But here I happen to be saying it as town because I seriously don't know which one to lynch.

[Seprix]

I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.

Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.

Why are you so careless when it gets you lynched? Are you careless as scum also? Why should we be townreading you? What towny thing have you done? What post of yours shows a townie thought process?

I'm not answering these. Pointless questions.

[Seprix]

I could just make up stuff. You don't want those kinds of answers.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm actually rereading D1 and Calamitas doesn't look great. Seprix looks worse though. Vote: Seprix

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm here. That's what.

Why did you make so many mistakes? Tell the truth. You called silverspawn a delayed doctor. You did a lot of other things.

Because I'm careless? What do you want, some kind of confession? Yeah, I totally meant to say SS was a delayed Doctor.

Why are you so careless when it gets you lynched? Are you careless as scum also? Why should we be townreading you? What towny thing have you done? What post of yours shows a townie thought process?

I'm not answering these. Pointless questions.

I would answer those

[iguanaiguana]

I could just make up stuff. You don't want those kinds of answers.

If you are scum and you make something up, then I have a chance to look at it and see if it looks fabricated. If you are town and you know that you said something as town that you wouldn't have said as scum, it's your chance to show your own narrative to us and try to convince us.

It's a very flawed system but this is how the game is played. Especially on D2 when all we have to go off of are two dead townies that basically all of you guys voted for or expressed a desire to vote for.

[Seprix]

I would answer those

It's a waste of time to do so. Any answer I give are just subjective interpretations, and you'll read me the way you already wanted to read me. You can lynch me if you want, I've stopped caring. Just kill the right person tomorrow, or else you lose.

[iguanaiguana]

I would answer those

It's a waste of time to do so. Any answer I give are just subjective interpretations, and you'll read me the way you already wanted to read me. You can lynch me if you want, I've stopped caring. Just kill the right person tomorrow, or else you lose.

Fight arrogance with arrogance!

[iguanaiguana]

Seprix, I do not know your alignment. I am not decided. I don't know what to do.

Confirmation bias is not in play here.

[iguanaiguana]

Going to sleep.

[Roadrunner7671]

I would answer those

It's a waste of time to do so. Any answer I give are just subjective interpretations, and you'll read me the way you already wanted to read me. You can lynch me if you want, I've stopped caring. Just kill the right person tomorrow, or else you lose.

Okay, this is proving your point, but I think you look worse because of this. You're probably the player least likely to 'stop caring.' And saying it like 'I've stopped caring.' really doesn't make it sound like you have stopped caring. People saying 'whatever, Moat this, you guys all suck' convinces me more. Or people who, every 24 hours, just go 'post.' Or something like that.
PPE: 3

[Seprix]

Seprix, I do not know your alignment. I am not decided. I don't know what to do.

Confirmation bias is not in play here.

Sure it is.

Anyways, don't lynch me. Simple as that. I am Swimming. I was the third player to claim Bodyguard, which means it is highly likely that I am town.

[Roadrunner7671]

I was the third player to claim Bodyguard

We know this! This has been like your only argument! Probably because you gritted your teeth and decided to be really ballsy scum. And that almost worked out. I've been at L-1 way too much.

[Seprix]

I was the third player to claim Bodyguard

We know this! This has been like your only argument! Probably because you gritted your teeth and decided to be really ballsy scum. And that almost worked out. I've been at L-1 way too much.

You're going to be one sad little kid tomorrow when you find yourself on the chopping block for your crimes against humanity.

vote: RR

[Seprix]

And let's play another game, RR.

What arguments can you attribute to the other two Bodyguards that you can't attribute to me? I am the least lynchable of the three, and you know it.

[Seprix]

If you want to survive, let's lynch Calamitas together, or else I will do all in my power to lynch you.

[mail-mi]

Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.

[Roadrunner7671]

If you want to survive, let's lynch Calamitas together, or else I will do all in my power to lynch you.

Jeez, these are wonderful options. I guess I'll have to reread Calamitas before deciding. Although it's very possible he's scum, I think you're more likely.
PPE

[Roadrunner7671]

Same question for RR.

I might go through like every single one of my posts until I get bored

[Roadrunner7671]

Never mind, that will misquote

[Seprix]

Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.

Then lynch me or RR. Hurry up.

[Roadrunner7671]

If you want to survive, let's lynch Calamitas together, or else I will do all in my power to lynch you.

(Response)

Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.

(Second response)

[Roadrunner7671]

  That worked

[Roadrunner7671]

Hurry up.

Not a towny thing to say my dude

[Seprix]

Look, I'll even help lynch myself if that is what the town players really really want.

Hurry up.

Not a towny thing to say my dude

I'm bored. People are stalling for time. All the information is here. Now make a decision.

[Roadrunner7671]

Do I even need to reread myself? Every time Seprix (figuratively) opens his mouth things just get worse and worse for him

[mail-mi]

Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.

Then lynch me or RR. Hurry up.

sigh

vote: seprix

[Seprix]

Okay.

If there are no further objections, I'll lynch myself.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm sure your scum partner objects

[Seprix]

vote: Seprix

I'm town. Way to go, team.

[Seprix]

Just lynch RR tomorrow. He's clearly scum.

[mail-mi]

vote: Seprix

I'm town. Way to go, team.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

I have no words.

Well, I do. Why self hammer?! If you're town, that means you just guaranteed a mislynch. What part of that sounds good to you?!?! And if you're scum, your partner hates you right now.

Ugh. 

[gkrieg13]

Down in numbers and with the games over, the Olympic Sports were feeling the worst they had ever felt. They felt their popularity waning as the popularity of the "Real Sports" was rising once again.

It was in these dire circumstances that they needed to quickly find the infiltration before the "Real Sports" overtook them again.

They knew that their window of opportunity was closing fast and they needed to find them fast.

As they all convened together, everyone had the same story.

"I'm a bodyguard and I targeted silverspawn" three of them said. 

The other Olympic Sports decided to make one of the bodyguards leave the game.  Seprix was so fed up with it all, he decided to leave the group on his own.

Vote Count 2.final

Seprix (4): Calamitas, RoadRunner7671, mail-mi, Seprix
RoadRunner7671 (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (2): LaLight, iguanaiguana

With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

Seprix has been lynched!

He was Swimming, the Bodyguard

Night 2 begins now and ends in 48 hours.

THREAD LOCKED!

[gkrieg13]

I will be starting this game early (unless anyone has any complaints).  Night actions due in 3 and a half hours.  Day 3 will start at 2 pm.

[gkrieg13]

As the Olympic Committee decided once again which sports would make the cut for the Tokyo Olympics in 2020, they came to a standstill over a few sports.

They went back and forth on which sports to add.  They decided that Professional Eating was a big sport on Tokyo and that it was good enough to be in the Olympics!  Unfortunately that meant that they had to cut one sport from the Olympics.

They debated for hours, but then it became perfectly clear.  In Tokyo, they don't have any professional cycling competitions, so why have it in the Olympics?

LaLight has been killed in the night.

They were Cycling, the Tracker

Day 3 begins now and ends Friday September 9 at 2 pm.

THREAD UNLOCKED!

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (5): silverspawn, Calamitas, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana, mail-mi

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.  Day 3 ends at 2 pm on Friday, September 9

[mail-mi]

vote: rr

Okay, it's lylo, so unvote, but still.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh man
PPE

[Roadrunner7671]

Yeah we shouldn't vote probably

[silverspawn]

vote: RR

disappointing stuff from Seprix.

Still, it was dumb to lynch him.

[silverspawn]

let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.

[Roadrunner7671]

let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.

That's sort of scummy talk. You should probably unvote so that I don't get quicklynched

[Calamitas]

I would still propose lynching among the bodyguards, it is actually our best shot by now I would say. While it could be that there have been actually 3 bodyguards targeting silver, it is just too ridiculous to believe.

[Calamitas]

Therefore going for roadrunner, not voting to avoid making a hasty decision.

[Roadrunner7671]

We're at MyLo, so this is literally it. After you guys lynch me, we lose. Come on! Seriously!

[silverspawn]

let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.

That's sort of scummy talk. You should probably unvote so that I don't get quicklynched

you are scum. You won't get quicklynched.

There is also no logical reason to unvote, since nothing can convince me to lynch someone else, therefore the game is already lost if you're town.

[Roadrunner7671]

let's end this day asap and then think things through tomorrow.

That's sort of scummy talk. You should probably unvote so that I don't get quicklynched

you are scum. You won't get quicklynched.

There is also no logical reason to unvote, since nothing can convince me to lynch someone else, therefore the game is already lost if you're town.

Great. We've already lost, assuming you're town.

[silverspawn]

the flip just makes scum!you more likely since it probbaly means we have a RB.

[Calamitas]

the flip just makes scum!you more likely since it probbaly means we have a RB.

Yep, we definitely have one. (At least from my PoV)

[silverspawn]

the flip just makes scum!you more likely since it probbaly means we have a RB.

Yep, we definitely have one. (At least from my PoV)

not definitely, since it could also be scum!you and JOAT with strongman shot.

But this is just another townslip from you. if you're scum then gg wp.

[silverspawn]

wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT

[Roadrunner7671]

wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT

Chairs isn't in this game, and that wasn't a townslip. If anything that was a scum slip.

[silverspawn]

derp. I meant mail-mi

And no, it wasn't a scum slip. It was Calamitas not knowing that scum has a JoaT, i.e. not having information that scum would be more likely to have. This is called a townslip. At worst it's a fabricated townslip.

[silverspawn]

off to sleep.

hopefully I'll wake up to dead scum

[Calamitas]

wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT

Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.

[Roadrunner7671]

wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT

Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.

Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.

I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.

[Roadrunner7671]

Here's the thing: normally I'd say 'lynch me today and after I flip town lynch silverspawn' but we only get one mislynch, so don't lose the game over lynching me!

[Calamitas]

wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT

Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.

Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.

I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.

Thats why I said "soon"...Please don't end the day early,would like to have a full reread before we decide for a lynch.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Roadrunner

I feel responsible for pushing Seprix to self hammer, becuase I believe my many comments about his play pushed him in that direction. I am hoping that he will talk to me about it after the game is there are any hard feelings. Seprix, I'm sorry for being a dick.

[iguanaiguana]

Roadrunner is scum. Or Calamitas is and we lose. That simple.

[iguanaiguana]

wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT

Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.

Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.

I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.

Thats why I said "soon"...Please don't end the day early,would like to have a full reread before we decide for a lynch.

Roadrunner claimed bodyguard, and LaLight died. I assume you targeted LaLight. With him being dead instead of you, the only possible explanation is that Roadrunner is the scum!roleblocker and blocked your night action.

So if you targeted LaLight last night, you don't need reads. Just vote Roadrunner and let's get this day over with.

[iguanaiguana]

Ugh whatever Unvote

I guess we can talk about it.

[Roadrunner7671]

Yes, I targetted LaLight. I bet Calamitas (the scum roleblocker) also did

[iguanaiguana]

Yes, I targetted LaLight. I bet Calamitas (the scum roleblocker) also did

1) That's not how it works.  If you targeted LaLight, and a scum roleblocker targeted LaLight, and mafia killed Lalight, you would die.

2) Townslip! LOL JUST KIDDING, that wasn't a town slip.

3) If you are a bodyguard, and you targeted LaLight, that means that Calamitas HAS to be scum, so why are you not voting for him?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that actually true? Now I need to think about it.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm town. Two of you guys are scum, and you're both jerks.

I am sick of losing 

[silverspawn]

please. RR was at 2 votes. If he was scum he'd have been quickhammered by now.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Roadrunner

[iguanaiguana]

Okay, so he's massively likely to be scum by now.

[silverspawn]

yup. I just wish we had lynched him yesterday...

[iguanaiguana]

Tomorrow's another day!

[iguanaiguana]

Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.

[Roadrunner7671]

Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.

Dude

[iguanaiguana]

Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.

Dude

 

[Roadrunner7671]

Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.

Dude

 

Staup

[iguanaiguana]

Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.

Dude

 

Staup

You lied to me

[Roadrunner7671]

Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.

Dude

 

Staup

You lied to me

You're about to kill me based off of your suspicion!

[iguanaiguana]

Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.

Dude

 

Staup

You lied to me

You're about to kill me based off of your suspicion!

Let's roll town together next time 

[Roadrunner7671]

Calamitas, if you come online, please make a post to confirm you are not scum who could win by hammering Roadrunner.

Dude

 

Staup

You lied to me

You're about to kill me based off of your suspicion!

Let's roll town together next time 

We rolled town together this time! Or you're scum, but I don't know about that

[mail-mi]

yep. RR is obv!scum. There's nothing to say that hasn't already been said.

[Calamitas]

wait that didn't make sense. Let me say that again

from your perspective, it could be scum!RR and scum!iguana/chairs with one of them being the JoaT

Assuming LaLight result was accurate obviously...

But anyway, I still consider rr to be the scummiest in here, followed bt silver. Theoretically I could agree with a silver lynch, but by now I prefer a rr lynch a lot. Additionally, i would propose everyone here making a detailed readlist we can work with today and tomorrow since we are going to be twice at LyLo.
Btw, if there isn't going to be a quickhammer soon we can be sure that {silver, rr} is containing scum.

Iguanaiguana hasn't come online today so he and you (for example) could be scum, and you are just waiting for him.

I do agree it's pretty likely silverspawn is scum though.

Thats why I said "soon"...Please don't end the day early,would like to have a full reread before we decide for a lynch.

Roadrunner claimed bodyguard, and LaLight died. I assume you targeted LaLight. With him being dead instead of you, the only possible explanation is that Roadrunner is the scum!roleblocker and blocked your night action.

So if you targeted LaLight last night, you don't need reads. Just vote Roadrunner and let's get this day over with.

Its not that easy, roleblockee might have blocked me and strongman could have broken my protection.

[Calamitas]

Btw, /NOT HAMMERING

[Calamitas]

Okay, he would have been hammered by now, everyone has posted. So I will take the hammer.
vote:: roadrunner

[Calamitas]

Omg, I'm so stupid. Congrats silver/iguana...

[Roadrunner7671]

My haters are my motivators!
Dayvig: All of you!
PPE

[Roadrunner7671]

Omg, I'm so stupid. Congrats silver/iguana...

What? You finally figured it out?! A little late!

[Calamitas]

Omg, I'm so stupid. Congrats silver/iguana...

What? You finally figured it out?! A little late!

So sorry, brain not working properly on 6am

[mail-mi]

Okay, he would have been hammered by now, everyone has posted. So I will take the hammer.
vote:: roadrunner

Calamitas, your vote doesn't count. It is not proper format.

You could take it back, but man just hammer him. He's scum.

[mail-mi]

It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.

[Calamitas]

It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.

I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.

[silverspawn]

It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.

I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.

[Roadrunner7671]

Hey your vote didn't count!

[Calamitas]

Hey your vote didn't count!

I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 2.final

Seprix (4): Calamitas, RoadRunner7671, mail-mi, Seprix
RoadRunner7671 (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (2): LaLight, iguanaiguana

With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

Seprix has been lynched!

He was Swimming, the Bodyguard

[silverspawn]

Mr. "yesterday I pusehed a mislynch against silver's constant criticism together with the guy who practically just claimed scum"

[Roadrunner7671]

Hey your vote didn't count!

I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us

No I thought it counted, hence the dayvigs. It's a lame joke

[Calamitas]

Hey your vote didn't count!

I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us

No I thought it counted, hence the dayvigs. It's a lame joke

No you didn't buy it, you're too good for that.

[Calamitas]

Mr. "yesterday I pusehed a mislynch against silver's constant criticism together with the guy who practically just claimed scum"

Mr. Spamming

[Calamitas]

It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.

I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.

Re-posted for upping

[silverspawn]

brrrlp back to the worlds.

a) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
b) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 1 Tracker
c) The world where we have 1 Watcher 1 Bodyguard and 1 Tracker
d) The world where we have 1 Watcher 3 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker
e) The world where we have 1 Watcher 2 Bodyguards and 0 Tracker


Results:
World a) : 7,7%
World b) : 22%
World c) : 46%
World d) : 8.2%
World e) : 16%

What you're doing right now is so insaely anti town and destructive and ignoring obvious evidence that I almost have to reconsider you as scum #2. I previously thought it was mail-mi, but maybe I was wrong.

[silverspawn]

I voted for RR because a) is sufficiently small compared to b) that I would almost never change my choice based on reads. Therefore, the choice is only between you and RR and since you up to that point were ten times townier, I would never ever change my mind there. Thus, there was no point in delaying this any further.

[Calamitas]

Don't make arguments up by using irrelevant probabilities, you know better than that. P(Watcher+Tracker+3x BG) is absolutely irrelevant by now, the only one that matters is P(Watcher+Tracker+2xBG|BG) which isn't that bad. Anyway, will go to sleep otherwise I'm writing even more junk here. Will have to think this true, all I wanted to say is thst thinks aren't as clear as some trying to make them

[Roadrunner7671]

Hey your vote didn't count!

I know and you did as well when you were dayviging all of us

No I thought it counted, hence the dayvigs. It's a lame joke

No you didn't buy it, you're too good for that.

I seriously bought it. Believe me or don't 

But I'm not 'too good.' I do appreciate that compliment though
Ppe

[Roadrunner7671]

Don't hammer me until Calamitas gets his thoughts together. I'd like him to cause us to not lose today

[silverspawn]

I'm writing even more junk here.

Yes you are.

[silverspawn]

The hilarious thing about this post:

Don't make arguments up by using irrelevant probabilities, you know better than that. P(Watcher+Tracker+3x BG) is absolutely irrelevant by now, the only one that matters is P(Watcher+Tracker+2xBG|BG) which isn't that bad. Anyway, will go to sleep otherwise I'm writing even more junk here. Will have to think this true, all I wanted to say is thst thinks aren't as clear as some trying to make them

is that it actually has another town slip. We don't have a | BG since no BG flipped yet.

[silverspawn]

oh actually Seprix flipped BG . . . nvm.

[silverspawn]

anyways he's right about the probabilites having changed based on our flips. Let me re-do them. All a-priori chances relative to P1 + P2 + P3 (since we know one of them must be true).

W1 = W + T + B
W2 = W + T + B + B
W3 = W + T + B + B + B

P(W1) = 61%
P(W2) = 29%
P(W3) = 10%)

[silverspawn]

pretty much the same meaning for our current situation, as expected ... that's why I was treating them as if they're still correct.

it's going to be a hell of choice tomorrow. . . . . . . .

[Calamitas]

anyways he's right about the probabilites having changed based on our flips. Let me re-do them. All a-priori chances relative to P1 + P2 + P3 (since we know one of them must be true).

W1 = W + T + B
W2 = W + T + B + B
W3 = W + T + B + B + B

P(W1) = 61%
P(W2) = 29%
P(W3) = 10%)

Integrate my pov where another one is confirmed and you will see that the discrepany isn't that extreme

[silverspawn]

Integrate my pov where another one is confirmed and you will see that the discrepany isn't that extreme

That is correct. It is not as extreme, it is a bit more extreme.

(WTBBB | WTBB) = 26,19%

[silverspawn]

Not that going with 1 - 3 odds is that unreasonable. I mean I think it's a bad idea but it's not comparable to previous situations we had, were players went with 1 - 9 odds and the like. But it also just makes no sense.

[silverspawn]

based on game reasons I mean

[silverspawn]

Also if RR was a bodyguard why did the tracker die? That requires a roleblocker AND a strongman shot, which in turn makes RR more likely again since it takes away the only good argument in his defense.

but his whole flailing is just not towny. Have you ever seen RR flail in a game where he was town?

[Calamitas]

Also if RR was a bodyguard why did the tracker die? That requires a roleblocker AND a strongman shot, which in turn makes RR more likely again since it takes away the only good argument in his defense.

but his whole flailing is just not towny. Have you ever seen RR flail in a game where he was town?

I haven't and I havd no problem with reasoning ;-)
I have just a problem with needlessly speeding up the game. And with 1-3 odds it's certainly clear what to do, but we have more evidence than just that (behavior etc. which has to be taken into account as well).

And another question, why weren't you sharing your suspicion about mail-mi? The day might ave easily ended before you did and you might have died in that night.

[silverspawn]

dk that was careless

[silverspawn]

let me do it now

I posted a lot in my QT and am beginning to think that the team is RR - Calamitas

This would mean that the entire bodyguard claim chain was staged. That's a fairly big assumption, but it really covers everything. My biggest reason for town!Calamitas so far was his reaction to the claim, that's gone.

Evidence supporting this theory

- Setup probability
- Bodyguards never successfully protecting anyone
- Calamitas' behavior now. It just makes no sense. I feel like he is pushing a stupid agenda but he is too reasonable of a person to do it believably, and that is why it just comes out strange. He also went from "I want to lynch silver!" to "yea RR is best choice but I'll just wait a bit"
- The fact that we did have the same role claimed so often. For setup randomization that is irrelevant (BBB is as likely as any other 3 1-point roles), but the human element we get with fakeclaims could make that more likely.


Evidence against this theory:
- the low a-priori chance for sucm to do such a thing

and that's pretty much it.

You should re-read stuff more carefully before you do anything. Look at the tracker claim and their reaction. Also just read the entire game with that theory in mind, see if it makes sense.

If not, go for mail-mi. I really doubt it's iguana.

[silverspawn]

oh and when I say "that's pretty much it" I mean that's the only point; but it's a strong point. Right now I'd say Calamitas - RR is more likely than mail-mi - RR but I'm not sure.

[silverspawn]

There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix

uh forgot this. Maybe it is RR/iguana after all.

[silverspawn]

The first Seprix means RR in that post.

But actually, eh. That's not that likely of a partner post, because if they were partners, then igu would be the guy who shouldn't like it. I don't think scum argues that way.

[silverspawn]

There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix Roadrunner, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix

I assume the scum partner is bussing to not stand out after RR flips as mafia RB. Someone who actively defends RR would clearly be on the radar then. Especially since rr is if he is actual scum doomed in either way. If Seprix would be todays lynch (those two are by now the only targets that make sense) and flip bodyguard, rr is very likely to get lynched tomorrow.

This is a partnery post

[silverspawn]

If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.

Vote: Roadrunner L-1

also a towny post

[silverspawn]

Seprix is looking worse and worse.

My choice is between Seprix and RR tonight, not Calamitas. At least not today. If Seprix or rr flips town I'll look at Calamitas.

Seprix, what about your play (NOT just your claim) should convince us that you're town? Please note that I (and iguana, I presume) will be trying my best to drop the confirmation bias. Same question for RR.

*sigh*

mail-mi has a big part of the blame in the Seprix lynch . . .

[silverspawn]

Seprix (4): Calamitas, RoadRunner7671, mail-mi, Seprix

[silverspawn]

It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.

I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top. Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman). I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.

Mr. "yesterday I pusehed a mislynch against silver's constant criticism together with the guy who practically just claimed scum"

Mr. Spamming

these posts are just so horrible

[silverspawn]

now I'm nitpicking, but if Calamitas is town, why did he never question my probabilities? I haven't provided any evidence for them. As far as he knows, they could just be made up.

if he's scum and he knows that they point into the right direction he'd be scared to question them.

[silverspawn]

kind of glad that I won't have to make that choice.

but make the right one. My winrate right now is exactly 60%. I don't want to go below that!

[Calamitas]

now I'm nitpicking, but if Calamitas is town, why did he never question my probabilities? I haven't provided any evidence for them. As far as he knows, they could just be made up.

if he's scum and he knows that they point into the right direction he'd be scared to question them.

Simple reason, you previously said you gathered those probabilities via simulations and without access to a computer and I won't be able to check them. Tomorrow/in two days I will certainly check them if the day is stoll ongoing then.

[iguanaiguana]

This development is very lol

[iguanaiguana]

It's bedtime now, and I won't steal Calamitas' scum hammer.
If it hasn't happened by morning though I'm taking it.

I won't take it now that I have thought it true. Iguana and silver are clearly pushing a lynch over the top.

Just a falsity. silver and I are not clearly doing anything. I am town, and my motivation is to lynch Roadrunner, who is now confirmed scum to me, and win with town. To say that we are clearly scum, when our town motivation is very clear, and the most likely explanation for our behavior, is absurd.

Silver by flattering me before, iguana by saying there are no other possibilities than scum!rr even though there are ridiculously many (Modifiers, rb+strongman).
[/quote

I originally thought there were none. Then, I realized there are a few. However, to me, those don't really matter. As silver has already stated, the probabilities are low enough of all of that occuring to line up to frame Roadrunner that we just lynch him now regardles.

I think that was intended to lure me into voting rr what was almost happening due to my stupidity.That behavior is IMO clearly scummy and (at least by now) the only lynch I can agree with is silver. Before hammering, please re-read at least the last few pages. They are clearly trying to push us into something we shouldn't do which is ridiculously scummy. I will go slee again, please consider my thoughts before hammering.

Re-posted for upping

Ugh. Roadrunner is by far the scummiest player alive.  Look at how yesterday went down, and the shame-of-a-lynch that you, Mail-mi and Roadrunner were all on while silver and I were not. Your silver/Iguana conspiracy theory relies upon the idea that all of town, including Seprix, ended up lynching Seprix, while the only two scum both had not a single vote on them and were not voting for the mislynch. I admit that I waffled between Seprix and Roadrunner, because it was a difficult decision. But I WAS leaning Roadrunner at the time Seprix self-hammered. I will not deny that because it is true.


First you were 'convinced' of Seprix/Iguana, which has proven untrue, now silver/Iguana, which is pure idiocy. silver has been pushing the town towards lynching scum all game, and only because we haven't listened to him are we at LyLo right now.

[iguanaiguana]

I have more to say but I have to go to work.

Most of all, don't trivialize my decision making. Voting Roadrunner was NOT an easy decision. Yeesh.

[Calamitas]

It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
 But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.

[iguanaiguana]

It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
 But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.

Please consider that you are making this game more difficult for yourself to win as scum OR as town by making it look like you are Roadrunner's partner.

[iguanaiguana]

I do somewhat understand your hesitancy but a quick decision is customary on our site in a situation where one person is overwhelmingly likely to be scum, as I believe Roadrunner is here.

Mail-mi most likely is stalling, hoping you vote for one of us, so that Roadrunner and him can doublehammer and win.

[Calamitas]

It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
 But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.

Please consider that you are making this game more difficult for yourself to win as scum OR as town by making it look like you are Roadrunner's partner.

I want to remind you that I was considered very towny before yersterday by most players (except lalight maybe). Why making such an act of instead of hammering? And WIFOM doesn't make sense as reason either because the chance of me getting lynched on D4 was so low that the potential benefits of my behavior weren't worth the risks.

So I will take all time I want, the only ones that certainly know rrs alignment for certain are rr, you and silver. Me and mail don't.

[silverspawn]

It was 6am and my post were definitely to harsh.
 But I still think there is still the possibility iguana/silver from an outsiders view and therefore I'm not hammering before rereading and reconsidering.

Please consider that you are making this game more difficult for yourself to win as scum OR as town by making it look like you are Roadrunner's partner.

I want to remind you that I was considered very towny before yersterday by most players (except lalight maybe). Why making such an act of instead of hammering? And WIFOM doesn't make sense as reason either because the chance of me getting lynched on D4 was so low that the potential benefits of my behavior weren't worth the risks.

So I will take all time I want, the only ones that certainly know rrs alignment for certain are rr, you and silver. Me and mail don't.

yes, that's indeed bad play if you are scum. But as scum you had a lot of temptation... you could end the game RIGHT NOW, why go through the trouble of waiting another day?

And your play is frankly similarly bad as town, which is why it's not alignment indicative.

[mail-mi]

I do somewhat understand your hesitancy but a quick decision is customary on our site in a situation where one person is overwhelmingly likely to be scum, as I believe Roadrunner is here.

Mail-mi most likely is stalling, hoping you vote for one of us, so that Roadrunner and him can doublehammer and win.

Mail-mi was sleeping.

Sorry Calamitas, but you're just wrong. Rr is scum. vote: roadrunner

[Calamitas]

That's fine, let's hope you're right.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 3.final

Roadrunner(3): silverspawn, iguanaiguana, mail-mi

Not Voting (2): Calamitas, Roadrunner7671

With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch. 

[gkrieg13]

flavor later

Roadrunner has been lynched!

He was Basketball, posing as Badminton, the Mafia Roleblocker!

Night 3 begins now and ends in 48 hours.

THREAD LOCKED!

[gkrieg13]

I would like to start the game earlier so if you could get your night actions in ASAP that would be great!

[gkrieg13]

the game will begin in about two hours, or at 10 pm.

If you have any problems with that, address them in your personal QT

[gkrieg13]

starting in thirty minutes. You can still change night actions for 20 minutes

[gkrieg13]

As the sports get ready for their final day, they realize this is it! 

They have one more shot to keep being the focus for at least a little bit longer. They need to create more hype for the paralympics! 

But it is announced that one sport won't be taking part in the paralympics. It has been decided that gymnastics is just too dangerous!

Calamitas has been killed in the night!

He was Gymnastics, the Bodyguard

Day four begins now and ends 11 am September 11

THREAD UNLOCKED!

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (3): silverspawn, mail-mi, iguanaiguana

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch

[iguanaiguana]

Nice work, Calamitas!

[iguanaiguana]

Oh man, silver or Mail-mi.

Oh man.

[iguanaiguana]

Nice work, Calamitas!

So my first thought here was:

Mail-mi is scum, shot for silverspawn, Calamitas bodyguarded and died instead, making the choice today straightforward.

Then quickly I realized the other scenario is just

silverspawn is scum, shot Calamitas to make Mail-mi look guilty. I need to consider that too.

I am definitely leaning Mail-mi here. But I need to reread both players.

[silverspawn]

ahh that's nice. I was really leaning towards Calamitas as the last scum. His behavior yesterday was just so silly.

Probably protected me.

I felt pretty confident that it's mail-mi or Calamitas, but between mail-mi and iguana it's actually purely reads based, so that is fallible. It is possible that I come out on the other end after rereading.

[silverspawn]

also confident that anyone who rereads me will come to the conclusion that I'm town. which means I'll have to make the hard choice.

[iguanaiguana]

Well I just read Mail-mi and he looks pretty terrible to me. I haven't read you yet.

[iguanaiguana]

Current reads

Town
mail-mi

Slight Town
RR

Slight Scum
Calamitas

vote: Calamitas

Lol oops

[iguanaiguana]

wait, you're a vet? I retreat my townread. I thought you were new.

Mh, actually I should have known better. You were the IC in my first game I believe.

Are you the player who said he doesn't want to put too much effort into the game because he plays it for fun, and it shouldn't feel like work? Or am I confusing something?

Yeah but this happened too, Iguana!

[mail-mi]

Oh man.

Okay, after rewind Mafia is set up I need to reread.

[iguanaiguana]

initially, I was of course mainly trying to provoke reactions.

it really depends on how you react, how believable it is, but generally, voting is the best reaction, not doing anything is the worst.

Joseph hasn't done anything and his push on Seprix is pretty telling. What Seprix did isn't alignment indicative and Joseph should know that.

silver keeps pushing the vote away from Seprix in a towny way, as opposed to Mail-mi who keeps claiming to have tunnel vision on Seprix in a very static, forced feeling way.

[iguanaiguana]

Duh, silver is an IC.

Roadrunner, the scum roleblocker, is confirmed to have targeted silverspawn N1 by LaLight the tracker. Can't believe I just remembered this. If silver were scum, there would have been no kill N1.

Vote: Mail-mi

Have fun trying to incriminate me, dude. It's not there.

[iguanaiguana]

Unvote

Can someone confirm to me that I'm right about this?

[iguanaiguana]

I've made too many mistakes about IC stuff lately to trust myself. But I think I'm right this time.

Roadrunner couldn't have roleblocked and done the kill, right? Also, scum roleblocker would never target his own team................................


Yeah, silver's an IC. But someone please confirm my logic and then I'll vote.

[silverspawn]

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! AND SO YOU DIE!!!

[silverspawn]

... just kidding, confirm town.

[silverspawn]

rereads will have to wait for tomorrow+

[iguanaiguana]

Not sure if you saw my unvote.

[silverspawn]

oups. I didn't. I saw the vote and was excited ot be an IC.

[mail-mi]

So yeah silver is an IC because of the roleblocking.

[silverspawn]

ohh that's right. That too.

But let's not forget that I was towny anyway

[mail-mi]

So obviously vote: iguana

There's a problem here.


Everyone wants to lynch Seprix, where at least one person really shouldn't. It's not clear at all which bodyguard is scum, so why would scum bus?

Roadrunner's scrambling is towny enough to convince me that scum is not bussing, and is on the lynch. I'm super suspicious of silverspawn/Seprix right now.

Vote: Seprix

This is a good point against iguana: scum iguana (since he is scum, no ands ifs or buts) tries to redirect away from his partner's lynch onto Seprix.

town points to iguana.

No, I say all of this as scum for the town points, and to confuse and annoy them. But here I happen to be saying it as town because I seriously don't know which one to lynch.

this doesn't look good at all.

And here's this from me:

Hold up.

Why is everyone against RR now? I was just looking through the claims again on reread.

Firstly, while Calamitas and Seprix do have some incentive to claim bodyguard as scum, it's so little compared to RR's incentive. RR has to get out of a tracker claim, the other two are just counterclaims. If I'm scum!Calamitas, and maybe scum!Seprix (though I can see scum!seprix claiming to just add a lot of confusion to the mix), I think "well, i shouldn't claim bodyguard anymore, maybe roleblocker or doctor?"

RR's flailing is what convinced me fully. Still think it could be seprix/RR, but I'm more convinced on RR now than I am on seprix.

vote: roadrunner. he's at L-something now.

Why in the world do I post this as RR's partner? Attention was just moving away from him, I could have kept it away from him. But instead I choose to bring it back onto him.

If Roadrunner is town, I'll be chatting with him after the game about how not to get lynched.

Vote: Roadrunner L-1

This is iguana, after my post, jumping in for the opportunistic bus.

[silverspawn]

confirming town now. and confirming sleep

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Mail mi at work still

[mail-mi]

It's up to you silver.

I don't know what will convince you to lynch iguana, but I will answer any questions you have for me (to defend myself or accuse iguana).

[iguanaiguana]

It's up to you silver.

I don't know what will convince you to lynch iguana, but I will answer any questions you have for me (to defend myself or accuse iguana).

If there were magic words that could make silverspawn lynch me, I'm sure you would say them : ) Otherwise, your case is pretty uh lame.

I will go through your posts and point out the scum motivation in the next few days. I can talk through what I was thinking when I made certain posts as well if silver would like me too. I'm happy to be transparent here, but I do feel like town is very likely to win this game so I'm not too worried about it to exhaust tons and tons of effort.

[iguanaiguana]

I will say that I'm very glad Calamitas was the bodyguard, and that you are the scum. A final day of Calamitas/Iguana/Mail-mi would have been a torturous experience for all three of us I imagine. Convincing silver that I am town should be easier. I imagine that he'll be able to figure it out for himself ^^

[mail-mi]

It's up to you silver.

I don't know what will convince you to lynch iguana, but I will answer any questions you have for me (to defend myself or accuse iguana).

If there were magic words that could make silverspawn lynch me, I'm sure you would say them : ) Otherwise, your case is pretty uh lame.

I will go through your posts and point out the scum motivation in the next few days. I can talk through what I was thinking when I made certain posts as well if silver would like me too. I'm happy to be transparent here, but I do feel like town is very likely to win this game so I'm not too worried about it to exhaust tons and tons of effort.

Of course, because you need to be lynched for us to win. yeah, because i haven't reread everything of yours yet.

iguana is too confident.

[silverspawn]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.

[silverspawn]

iguana, point me to your most recent normal scum game, please.

[silverspawn]

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

[silverspawn]

Probably its just "coincidence", but i kind of believe in the Seprix-iguana mafia by now. The interaction between those two is just weird. The following things have drawn my attention:

1. In #89 iguana reacts quite harshly to a post from Seprix
2. In #114 iguana attacks Seprix for his accusatiom of me
3. Suddenly iguana defends Seprix when he was accused (#161)

And now starts the more interesting part:

4. Seprix voting for iguana in #204 in a post containing "by the way". (I think that is supposed to make the post look more spontaneous, but does it over the top IMO)
5. Iguana naming the error and seprix correcting the mistake within the minute
6. Seprix claiming iguana is not a good lynch option
7. After me posting my thoughts in #262 Seprix and iguana have been more active than before (which for itself is understandable)
8. Within 7, iguana defended seprix again (#265) just to attack him a few posts later again (#269) which matches the pattern of number 1 respectively 3

IMO the behavior above is very weird either way. I cannot think of a regular explanation for all that kind of flip-flopping. However, if they would really form the mafia, wouldn't they be more careful since they are quite experienced?

Calling scumteams day 1 usually doesn't lead to good reads.

However, I don't like iguana's flip floppiness on Seprix either, so he's on the scummy side of things.

[silverspawn]

Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.

It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.

I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you better

[silverspawn]

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.

Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'

Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is! But I don't really want to lynch him for it, so I guess I'll just put him in my unsure group'

Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'

Important bit you missed there bolded for your convenience.

Thanks, fixed.

[silverspawn]

Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.

It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

[silverspawn]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Saying he's the only veteran is a strong claim that feels like it's intended to sway newbies in a direction that might have us sheeping Silver. I'd like to encourage against that: I've read a few games, including play by Seprix and Iguana as well as RR and Silver, so I know there's more other experience here than this post would have us believe.

People I know nothing about are LaLight and Calamitas, who I think are my fellow total newbies. Mail-mi, have you played in other games before this one?

I believe Roadrunner still considers himself to be a newbie, and only has a high enough opinion of a select few players to call them veterans. This kind of a comment from him is probably not a scum tell.

Come on.

Let's look at the players
LaLight: I know he's a newb
Roadrunner: I'm definitely not a veteran by any stretch!
Iguana iguana: I havr a high opinion, I just don't consider you a veteran
Mail-Mi: I didn't know
Silver spawn: He's a vetetan by my definition
Calamitas: He's a newb too
Space: See Calamitas and LaLight
Seprix: Maybe I'd call him a veteran if he didn't play so much like me. I still have a high opinion of him though
Joseph: See Seprix

[silverspawn]

Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.

It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.

I don't think I read you that well! I probably read you better than I read most people but Faust, silverspawn, Ashersky, etc can probably all read you better

silver reads me very well. Disagree on the other two. The only game where either Faust or Ash and me were both town was Harry Potter Mafia where I got lynched early on D1 and they were townies on the wagon.

[silverspawn]

Seprix is the most scummy one so far, I think.

LaLight really seems genuine, so townie points there.

RR: why does ss have to be leader? This seems like it could be a set up for "we mislynched, but I was just sheeping the leader, so it's not my fault!"

But I really don't like Seprix's play so far. It just feels wrong. vote: seprix

I didn't say he was supposed to be a leader. I said that he needed to stop being mysterious and using bold, colored fonts. I do not think anyone should sheep silverspawn just because he's a veteran

[silverspawn]

Silverspawn: Every single post he's made. Like I said, he's the only veteran. He has to be a leader.

Uh, yes you did.

[silverspawn]

Time for a reads list!!

1. silverspawn--was acting weird. Still haven't figured out why, could be scummy. Wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch.
2. Calamitas--townier than ss, but still wouldn't be unhappy with a lynch. would prefer not to lynch today though because newbie.
3. Seprix--preferred lynch
4. Roadrunner7671--As stated above, isn't as bad as I thought he was. Would hesitantly vote for him.
5. Iguanaiguana--town
6. Mail-mi--IC
7. SpaceAnemone--newbie, and town. Would not lynch.
8. LaLight--despite what others have said, i think he's genuine town. Would only lynch if it's the only possible option
9. Joseph2302--eh, null. would lynch if necessary.

So, a scum to chum list. (does nobody call it that anymore? if so, that's sad.)

Seprix
silverspawn/joseph
Calamitas
RR
Lalight
iguana
Spaceanenome
mail-mi

[silverspawn]

vote: LaLight

Respond to MailMi or I have intent to hammer.

Then hammer, scum.

PARTICIPATE IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you are town, give us your reads, give us something before you die!!

DON"T JUST GIVE UP YOU FOOL ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[silverspawn]

Okay, rereading the bit with RR and iguana, it's not as bad as I thought it was. I still don't like it, though, but I'm going to unvote

What's worse is this:

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.

Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.

How certain are you?

Seprix did not answer this question, yet he has posted after that (only once though) and has been on since then. Town people don't avoid questions, scum does. vote: seprix

[silverspawn]

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy

[silverspawn]

Note: these are all horribly out of order since the fourm only lets me submit something every once in a while.

Mass claim is good now let's do it

[silverspawn]

Well, that's pretty condemning. vote: rr
What do you have to say to it RR?

[silverspawn]

from mail-mi, a recent town game would be appreciated. as recent as it gets without you being an IC, anyway.

[iguanaiguana]

My only scum games are marvel heroes mafia and sherlock mafia.


Spoiler: I lose.

[iguanaiguana]

iguana is too confident.

I've been thinking about this, and I believe it is because silver has pushed my lynch in every game where I was scum, and I don't think he's ever mislynched me, and has often been the quickest to call me town in one of my town games.

It's a good track record.

[silverspawn]

which I stand to ruin this game if you're actually town. I've pretty much done a 180° on reread

[iguanaiguana]

so RR, what do you think about the scum slip?

Seprix, does igu's aggression make him scum or town?

I can answer these.

After iguana's post and Calamitas' explanation, it seems more like an innocent mistake. Doesn't make him towns, tho.

I think iguana seems more like frustrated town than scum.

This is the beginning of Mail-mi's flip-flip saga, where he goes back and forth on calling me town or scum all game. Also note how he keeps attention off of his partner by answering a question for him when Roadrunner is unwilling to do it.

FWIW, I am becoming more comfortable with my vote on seprix.

This is the beginning of Mail-mi's long and consistent quest to get a lynch on Seprix without looking like scum for doing it. His town narrative for it is that he has 'confirmation bias' against him and is worried he might be wearing 'tunnel vision goggles.' In other words, he knows it will be a mislynch and doesn't want to look terrible when it happens.

Don't know what seprix and rr are talking about. Town points to iguana.

In fact, rr seems way too hedgey about it. Feels almost like putting in a back up scum read for a mislynch later. vote: rr

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.

"Vote for your partner, but give rubbish reasons." I think Ashersky said that? Anyway, here Mail-mi does it in a blatant way. "I want to vote for Roadrunner, but I don't want the wagon to pick up, so I'm going to say I'm having trouble expressing why I want to vote for him."

Okay, rereading the bit with RR and iguana, it's not as bad as I thought it was. I still don't like it, though, but I'm going to unvote

What's worse is this:

vote: Iguana

Huh.. just as I was starting to get a reasonable level of town vibe from him, too.

'Him' being Seprix or Iguanaiguana?

Obviously me. I'm almost certain Iguana is scum now.

Scale of 1 to 10. ! is IC. 5 is null. 10 is confirmed scum.

How certain are you?

Seprix did not answer this question, yet he has posted after that (only once though) and has been on since then. Town people don't avoid questions, scum does. vote: seprix

Moves his vote from Roadrunner back to his constant vote on Seprix. More evidence for his trying to put a vote on his partner without it gaining any traction.

Seprix
silverspawn/joseph
Calamitas
RR
Lalight
iguana
Spaceanenome
mail-mi

A minute ago, he just stopped voting for Roadrunner (after that reason-for-voting, which he 'couldn't put into words', turned out 'not to be so bad after all'). Now, RR suddenly deserves the most null spot directly in the middle of his scum-to-chum list.  Roadrunner really is directly center, with four scummier people above him, and four townier people below.

I don't think Seprix pretends to suspect me of buddying him as scum. I think he just welcomes it. I really think Seprix is town.

Joseph is a better shot, but really, they could both be town. These wagons are not great.

Where does seprix say he suspects you of buddying?

I say

Scum players are hyper-conscious of what they say about each other and their interactions are usually a lot more subtle than those between myself and Seprix. We would need to be an incredibly bold scumteam to openly defend each other like we have been. Of course, that would make an interesting gambit, but I doubt it would pay off.

The simpler and much more likely explanation is that I have a townread on Seprix, and he's come around on me as well. From my perspective, that's the only possiblity unless I am wrong about Seprix and he is scum.

and Seprix responds immediately with a naked vote on me, then later says "I am almost certain now that Iguana is scum." He doesn't give reasons, but the motive of voting me because he thinks  I am buddying him is the obvious one. So I am making an inference.

That makes sense. I'll have to think about it.

Meanwhile...

Okay I might have intent to hammer Seprix. But if it comes down to it I don't think I have the balls

Stop making me want to vote you.

I agree with your reasoning about not voting for Seprix, but still want to mislynch him, so I guess I'll 'have to think about it.'
This "I want to move my vote, but I'm not going to do it yet" attitude is consistent with Mail-mi throughout the game. He uses it to delay taking action on a situation, hoping that someone else will fudge it in the meantime.

Also, regarding his comment to Roadrunner:

My partner is being scummy! Stop it! I don't want to have to bus D1!

Those are my D1 comments on Mail-mi. I'll do D2 & 3 later.

[iguanaiguana]

which I stand to ruin this game if you're actually town. I've pretty much done a 180° on reread

Great, that sucks!

[mail-mi]

Going to work, will respond later.

[iguanaiguana]

which I stand to ruin this game if you're actually town. I've pretty much done a 180° on reread

If you are willing to quote anything of mine that looks scum motivated, I'll be happy to talk you through what I was thinking when I made the post as best I can.

Roadrunner and I are real life acquaintances/friends and I am more fond of him than other mafia player here. Please don't mistake that for us being scum partners.

[silverspawn]

That was a lie (sorry). I thought the evidence pointed strongly in your favor; I almost hammered but I didn't want to take it too lightly and decided to test your reaction if I pretend to flip.

I think I like it.

[silverspawn]

If you had felt really desperate, that might have made me reconsider.

I'm still paranoid because I have a flawless LyLo record I believe, and this seems too easy.

[iguanaiguana]

Oh my....... that made for a relatively upsetting breakfast.

[silverspawn]

So realtalk. I'm stronly leaning towards lynching mail-mi.

The interactions with RR are pretty telling. mail-mi has a lot of them but they are all about nothing (see the quotes I pulled on the previous page. Stuff like this:

I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

I'll wait to complain about you voting for me until you figure that out

I don't like your reaction to or read on iguanna and think it is scummy.

I tried to go into more detail above but it didn't really work.

Mail-mi: 'I think iguanaiguna is town!'

Roadrunner: 'I'm not sure what iguanaiguana is! But I don't really want to lynch him for it, so I guess I'll just put him in my unsure group'

Mail-mi: 'HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME!!!!! TO THE GALLOWS WITH YOU, INFIDEL!!!!!'

Important bit you missed there bolded for your convenience.

Thanks, fixed.

feels like someone went "make sure we have some interactions" in the scum QT; or just scum taking opportunites to respond to each other. I know I do that as scum.

Whereas iguana has things like:

<b>Jospeh </b>

Either silverspawn has some information we don't and Jospeh is actuallt scum or he is basically dead (D2 lynch). Case 1 doesn't allow us testing by killing silver, we could just take an important power role of the game. If he turns out lying we should stop handling him with kid gloves and just kill him.

Wow, that's a really, really bad Scumslip.

vote: Calamitas

Stop being awful. Can I please point you to 50 places in the past where we've talked about how making a bolding mistake isn't really a scum slip? Especially day one in someone's first (I think?) mafia game where mafia hasn't even made a kill yet and every single town has had to confirm their role, and many of them did it via QT.

Good God Seprix, I will not stop correcting your horrible play until you stop doing it. Please, no more of this.

Vote: Iguanaiguana

Soon after making this post, you voted for Calamitas. Being flippity floppity is scummy

Big factor #2 is mail-mi's handling of the RR lynch. You're first deflecting, then as soon as RR has the result on him - even though a tracker result on someone who wasn't shot isn't that big of a deal - you turn on him. That looks so much like you realizing "ow he's caught let me try to get towncred out of it".

#3 is how you keep pursuing players for classic non-tells, such as weak performances (see Seprix).

And #4 is that igauna seems to have played a solid town game all throughout.

So if you want me to change my mind, give me something substantial.

[iguanaiguana]

silver, do you even want me to keep re reading mail-mi? My conclusions are no different than yours, except that from my perspective I can be much more sure of his motivations. And, if I'm not going to do anything to change your opinions, I'd rather not sink a lot of time into making the arguments.

[mail-mi]

I will respond when I can get on a computer.

[silverspawn]

silver, do you even want me to keep re reading mail-mi? My conclusions are no different than yours, except that from my perspective I can be much more sure of his motivations. And, if I'm not going to do anything to change your opinions, I'd rather not sink a lot of time into making the arguments.

Yeah, I would wait a bit to see if the problem solves itself if I were you.

[mail-mi]

Today has turned out to be really busy. I will respond late tonight or tomorrow if I can't.

Sorry for the holdup. 

[mail-mi]

feels like someone went "make sure we have some interactions" in the scum QT; or just scum taking opportunites to respond to each other. I know I do that as scum.

Whereas iguana has things like:

Big factor #2 is mail-mi's handling of the RR lynch. You're first deflecting, then as soon as RR has the result on him - even though a tracker result on someone who wasn't shot isn't that big of a deal - you turn on him. That looks so much like you realizing "ow he's caught let me try to get towncred out of it".

#3 is how you keep pursuing players for classic non-tells, such as weak performances (see Seprix).

And #4 is that igauna seems to have played a solid town game all throughout.

So if you want me to change my mind, give me something substantial.

1. I would have done that as town or scum. I was accusing RR (rightly, but for bad reasons), and I legitimately couldn't put it into words. His reaction to iguana just felt off, and I couldn't explain why. And he asked me to, and so I did. The response was just RR being RR.

2. Uh, when was I deflecting? I was never deflecting on RR. (I just reread my posts; I was never deflecting.) I thought Lalight's (correct) theory about RR being the Scum Roleblocker was more likely to be true. And then the whole bodyguard thing happened.

3. I had tunnel vision on Seprix. This is a fact. I didn't like his D1 play at all and couldn't get over it. He was being actively anti-town, he was actilurking, he didn't answer any questions directed toward him, scummy scummy scum scum. It was bad. And so I thought he was scum, and even though he came back later and played a good D2, I still thought he was scummy. And then the end of Day 2 was just bad.

4. Let me see if I can convince you otherwise.

[mail-mi]

I'm Trampoline btw

From RR's flip, we know that scum were given fake claims. iguana thinks he can be seen as townie by immediately claiming. He also knows that it might give scum (him and RR) information.

A lot of D1-2 he's "coaching" Seprix and getting mad at him. It's a good way to seem townie "Look, I'm helping people!" and "Grr seprix, me the fellow townie is getting mad at you for making us more likely to lose!" without actually putting any content in the game.

In iguana's recent games, he has...cared less? if that's a good way to put it... at the beginning of the game, because of a busy life. He only starts caring a lot and getting solvy when it mattered. As scum, it always matters. And he was very active and solvy throughout most of Day 1, which is not his current town meta, if I remember correctly.

I don't know about iguana, but I'm usually more sarcastic as scum. And, on reread, he's seemed pretty sarcastic.

More seprix defending. Scum is expected to take the easy mislynch (which Seprix often is) and so iguana goes against it. This isn't a very strong point, but iguana is a good enough player to play the WIFOM.

My only vested interest in keeping him alive is so that I can fulfill my town!Trampoline win condition.

This is not a townie comment. He's emphasizing the fact that he's town too much. Scum is much more inclined to do this than town is.

Roadrunner, since you are currently not voting, what are your thoughts on Seprix and Jospeh which currently hold the most votes? I personally think that Seprix is the more suspicious one (for various reasons that I have outlined before) but Josephs inactivity certainly doesn't speak for him.

It's nice to have people who want to hear my opinion <3

But I'd say both Seprix and Joseph are in my lynch pool, along with iguanaiguana. If I had to give them a suspicious rating I'd say Seprix is the most suspicious, then Iguanaiguana then Joseph.

Actually:
Seprix gets a 7.5 out of 10
Iguanaiguana gets a 5.9 out of 10
Joseph gets a 5.5 out of 10.

Or something like that. But there's a much bigger gap between Seprix and Iguanaiguana then there is between Iguanaiguana and Joseph.

The problem with Seprix and Joseph is that they're hard to read, so lynching them is more of a toss up than it would be between other players. That's a double edged sword though, because their reads are usually a bit off, so they're still not the worst lynch. I don't want to jump on a wagon before I get off a mobile device. A reread is required before voting

You read me better than anyone. You should know that I am town.

iguana's first interaction with RR. I think it's actually quite townie that it took him this long, and that this is what it is. If I didn't know he was scum, this would up my town read on him.

His next post with RR is the stuff that you two are accusing me of, interaction without content.

LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! 

Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.

"Get on the mislynch RR!" Super obvious though, so only a very minor point. Also more of the non-content interaction, along with the rest of the quote chain.

More of the seprix coaching, and also being slightly wishy washy on seprix. A lot of his play was talking about seprix, actually. Which is scummy for two reasons: 1. A way to be active without providing content, and 2. it was a super easy thing to talk about, without bringing up any other discussion. This doesn't make much sense as I put it down in writing, unfortunately. I'll try to explain it: Scum doesn't want discussion, but scum has to participate in discussion so they aren't just lynched. So they make discussion about things that are relevant, but not content-bringing. does that make sense?

I can't figure out the scum motivation for his day end stuff, but I also can't figure out a townie one. I guess a scum one is, post? I don't know.

There's iguana's day 1. He's been playing a very good scum game.

[mail-mi]

Another thing: I am also one of the most myslynched players on the site. Read any of my town games, there are very few where I'm not lynched at some point. And a lot of the time it's been for the same reasons that silver is bringing up against me.

don't lose the game for us silver.

[silverspawn]

@mail-mi

link me to the latest town game where you were mislynched

[mail-mi]

Here's one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10846.0

[iguanaiguana]

I'm Trampoline btw

From RR's flip, we know that scum were given fake claims. iguana thinks he can be seen as townie by immediately claiming. He also knows that it might give scum (him and RR) information.

I once modded a 9 player game where I gave scum fakeclaims and wrote a story around 9 trees, where two of them were actually arsonists. It sticks out in my mind because, well, silverspawn didn't enjoy how I handled the game very much, and got the MVP!

Anyway, as soon as I saw that there were 9 'sports,' I knew scum had fakeclaims as sports. Perhaps I made a mistake in assuming that everyone would be able to figure it out (I believe I explained my thinking later -- did you skip quoting that?) I was just having fun and being silly, while giving information that could do no harm.

A lot of D1-2 he's "coaching" Seprix and getting mad at him. It's a good way to seem townie "Look, I'm helping people!" and "Grr seprix, me the fellow townie is getting mad at you for making us more likely to lose!" without actually putting any content in the game.

I do regret how I treated Seprix this game. I should have focused on working with him, not insulting him.

In iguana's recent games, he has...cared less? if that's a good way to put it... at the beginning of the game, because of a busy life. He only starts caring a lot and getting solvy when it mattered. As scum, it always matters. And he was very active and solvy throughout most of Day 1, which is not his current town meta, if I remember correctly.

Please don't craft an argument for me being scum that is solely based around my IRL circumstances.

My only vested interest in keeping him alive is so that I can fulfill my town!Trampoline win condition.

This is not a townie comment. He's emphasizing the fact that he's town too much. Scum is much more inclined to do this than town is.

Congratulations, you dug through my ISO and found a scummy looking comment! Wow, I said 'town' so many times in that sentence, that I must be all knowing scum! (You're right by the way, I can be a bit sarcastic...)

His next post with RR is the stuff that you two are accusing me of, interaction without content.

LaLight I'm sorry if I made you seem uncomfortable. You're English is perfectly fine! 

Stop screwing around and vote for someone. We have only one day left.

"Get on the mislynch RR!" Super obvious though, so only a very minor point. Also more of the non-content interaction, along with the rest of the quote chain.

I do not believe that telling another player that he should stop making non-content posts and vote for someone constitutes contributing to the 'non-content interaction.'

More of the seprix coaching, and also being slightly wishy washy on seprix. A lot of his play was talking about seprix, actually. Which is scummy for two reasons: 1. A way to be active without providing content, and 2. it was a super easy thing to talk about, without bringing up any other discussion. This doesn't make much sense as I put it down in writing, unfortunately. I'll try to explain it: Scum doesn't want discussion, but scum has to participate in discussion so they aren't just lynched. So they make discussion about things that are relevant, but not content-bringing. does that make sense?

Everyone was talking about Seprix. I remember at least making an effort to talk about other people, while the conversation kept being brought back to him by the newer players finding a new reason to vote for him. I'd like to believe that I talked about Seprix only as much as was necessary to keep him alive.

Now, for some hilarious quote doctoring!

I can't figure out the scum motivation for his day end stuff [because there isn't any LOL!], but I also can't figure out a townie one [because he's some kinda phool I GUESS]. I guess a scum one is, post? I don't know.

There's iguana's day 1. He's been playing a very good scum MEDIOCRE TOWN game.

[silverspawn]

Here's one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10846.0

43? jeez.

Is that the latest one?

[mail-mi]

Here's one: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10846.0

43? jeez.

Is that the latest one?

I survived in pony Mafia Mafia. And I took a big break.

[silverspawn]

There is no way a game of over a year ago will convince me.

[silverspawn]

Really, the case is too clear. I won't change my mind.

here goes...

vote: mail-mi

[silverspawn]

soyouscum?

[silverspawn]

regardless,

[mail-mi]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

We lost. Good job.

[silverspawn]

WHO IS WE?

[mail-mi]

WHO IS WE?

Me and RR. Good game. 

[silverspawn]

ah. whew. good game.

[gkrieg13]

As the remaining Olympic Sports counseled together, they decided on one sport to evict from their midst.  Hopefully this would stop the Real Sports from invading the Olympics for a long time. As they crossed Diving off their list, they felt the power leaving mail-mi.

"You'll never stop us from taking over the TVs and the minds of the people.  You may have your 16 days of glory, but we own a day of the week and have a strong hold on the rest of them!"

So it was done.  The Olympics were over, and everyone knows no one watches the Paralympics.  The Olympic Sports were proud of what they had accomplished.  They had successfully held the attention of the world population for 16 days.

They knew they only needed to wait another four years until they were put in the spotlight again.  I mean sure, cycling has its Tour de France, and people sometimes go to ESPN and unknowingly watch some Gymnastics, but as for most of the sports, they would have to wait 4 years time until they received their wide-spread popularity again.

mail-mi has been lynched!

He was Soccer, posing as Diving, the mafia JOAT!

TOWN WINS!

Speccy: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/L9SzTK35erUY

Mod QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/73FrHwiE3YZjt

Mafia QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/jYYeD6SThMvL

Players are responsible for sharing their own personal QTs if they want.

[LaLight]

Good one, Silver!

Sorry to everybody if my play wasn't too good =))

My QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/yN9VeLcbeGjZL

[silverspawn]

My QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/g3HYe6V9uDa7x

[gkrieg13]

I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.

[mail-mi]

I wonder, silver: if I had killed iguana instead, would you have voted for Calamitas?

[Calamitas]

I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.

Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here

[LaLight]

Did we have any modifiers?

[silverspawn]

I wonder, silver: if I had killed iguana instead, would you have voted for Calamitas?

I don't know. I would have started with suspecting Calamitas more. But your interaction with RR was pretty bad. After rereading... really hard to say. Could have gone either way.

[ashersky]

Pretty sure "diving" is soccer.

[gkrieg13]

Here is the setup for those that don't want to look in the Mod QT to find it.

1. silverspawn - Miller VT
2. Calamitas - Random Bodyguard
3. Seprix - Bodyguard
4. Roadrunner7671 - mafia RB
5. Iguanaiguana - Framed VT
6. Mail-mi - mafia JOAT
7. SpaceAnemone - Watcher
8. LaLight - Ascetic Tracker
9. Joseph - VT

[silverspawn]

I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.

Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here

whom did you choose to target?

[gkrieg13]

I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.

Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here

Ya.  You can see in silverspawn's QT that we discuss the point values assigned to the modifiers.  After I did a lot of tweaking, I figured out that the point values don't really make that much of a difference.  The problem is that each of them is different depending on who they are assigned to.  A Random Vigilante is awful, where a random VT doesn't matter at all.

[gkrieg13]

I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.

Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here

whom did you choose to target?

He chose incorrectly (iguana), but the random saved him.

[Calamitas]

I will point out that town got very lucky from Calamitas's final random bodyguarding.

Just seen that as well, random was definitely not worth -3 here

whom did you choose to target?

iguana actually

[Calamitas]

D3 was awful played by me, should definitely have slept more that day
But still, why is it considered bad play to re-read even if it is a quite obvious situation? There is literally no disadvantage for town I can see (since scum has 100% of the info they need and town does not).

[LaLight]

well I have 100% of wins!

[SpaceAnemone]

TOWN WINS!

Yaaaaaay!!!

Sorry I was so sickeningly townie that I got killed off before I could even make use of my PR! The rest of you were great :-)

[Seprix]

Wow, I called the team. RR and Mail-Mi. To be fair though, I also called a lot of non-existent teams.

[mail-mi]

Wow, I called the team. RR and Mail-Mi. To be fair though, I also called a lot of non-existent teams.

i was kinda freaking out at that point.

[iguanaiguana]

Yay. I stand by this Being a mediocre town game for me. I want the 'exactly in the middle in terms of value player's award.

[gkrieg13]

iguanaiguana is the EITMITOVP!

[Joseph2302]

TOWN WINS!

Yaaaaaay!!!

Sorry I was so sickeningly townie that I got killed off before I could even make use of my PR! The rest of you were great :-)

Woo another win for me where I died early and did nothing!

[Seprix]

I told you guys I wasn't scum.

[silverspawn]

I told you guys I wasn't scum.

I believed you!

[Haddock]

This still needs an MVP right?

[gkrieg13]

This still needs an MVP right?

Yes it does.

The three candidates are Calamitas, iguana, and silver.

Calamitas is eliminated by making the wrong choice with PR at the end.

Between silver and iguana is hard.  Neither of them played an amazing game, but silver helped solve a lot of the problems and contributed more to the discussion with his probabilities....

silverspawn is MVP

[iguanaiguana]

oh yeah duh silver clearly outplayed me.

[iguanaiguana]

I was already declared the mediocre award. I'm quite proud of that 

[silverspawn]

thanks

@faust: M79 is also still missing. Do I get that too? 

[faust]

contributed more to the discussion with his probabilities....

Never thought I'd see that as a MVP justification.

[Seprix]

contributed more to the discussion with his probabilities....

Never thought I'd see that as a MVP justification.

Better than a self-lynch.

[silverspawn]

Probability is the shiet, if it is correct.

Which I think it was, at the second try.

[gkrieg13]

contributed more to the discussion with his probabilities....

Never thought I'd see that as a MVP justification.

Honestly i didn't feel like anyone had that great of a performance.