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[Haddock]

P sure Reggie is town.

Also pretty sure RR is mafia and you guys are letting him slide.

Who were you referring to in this post?  I assumed RR but clearly not:

Oh my god.

No one is writing towny stuff for this guy. It's too pure.

[faust]

Not sure what I don't like about it.  I guess I would expect faust to answer this question himself rather than ask others.

We were in RVS... I did not think much of the "slip", but I thought it provided a nice way to get us out of RVS. And hey, it worked.

[faust]

P sure Reggie is town.

Also pretty sure RR is mafia and you guys are letting him slide.

Who were you referring to in this post?  I assumed RR but clearly not:

Oh my god.

No one is writing towny stuff for this guy. It's too pure.

I was under the impression that the latter post refers to teamlyle.

[teamlyle]

J Reggie, could you please explain your intentions when saying "Or have I?"

Wifom (wine in front of me, which is a reference to that scene in the princess bride where the guy is trying to figure out which glass of wine is poisoned).

Wait I don't understand... so I'm putting wine in front of you?

It's like reverse psychology and reverse reverse psychology etc.

You didn't really answer the question... nothing personal but vote: J Reggie

[Cron]

unvote haddock

I'm willing to bet there's a lurker mafia between jan, chairs, haddock, but I don't see a lynch on any of those happening. So I won't waste my time

vote roadrunner

Time to test my theory about Fonti. Iguana doesn't feel mafia with the way he's posting and I'm liking j Reggie. I think faust's early read on him is pretty good, can understand where he's coming from and I agree with the read, like him now. 

[Cron]

If roadrunner flips town, good chance Fonti is town. Rarely sticks out her neck that much for a day 1 mafia read on a town as mafia.

[Haddock]

unvote haddock

I'm willing to bet there's a lurker mafia between jan, chairs, haddock, but I don't see a lynch on any of those happening. So I won't waste my time

vote roadrunner

Time to test my theory about Fonti. Iguana doesn't feel mafia with the way he's posting and I'm liking j Reggie. I think faust's early read on him is pretty good, can understand where he's coming from and I agree with the read, like him now.

I'm putting together some posts I saw while catching up that I had things to say about. 
Meantime, two things, fyi.
unvotes don't have to be followed by their targets.
a lot of mods won't count votes without colons.

[J Reggie]

J Reggie, could you please explain your intentions when saying "Or have I?"

Wifom (wine in front of me, which is a reference to that scene in the princess bride where the guy is trying to figure out which glass of wine is poisoned).

Wait I don't understand... so I'm putting wine in front of you?

It's like reverse psychology and reverse reverse psychology etc.

You didn't really answer the question... nothing personal but vote: J Reggie

Basically I don't want scum to know whether anything I've said has given away too much information. So I'll create confusion about it. Maybe they'll overanalyze what I've said or maybe they'll miss something.

P sure Reggie is town.

Also pretty sure RR is mafia and you guys are letting him slide.

Who were you referring to in this post?  I assumed RR but clearly not:

Oh my god.

No one is writing towny stuff for this guy. It's too pure.

I thought she was referring to teamlyle.

Slight town on fontisian actually because of the way she's reading RR. It seems honest town.

[Haddock]

Some posts and what I think of them:  (I think these are in chronological order, I'm not going to organise them by poster)

1)

If you were to win the game right now, who would you thank for it?

This is such a weird thing to say.  But it's towny-weird, don't we think?  I just don't see scum asking this.  This is a rare towny moment for Jan.

2)

Oh my god I actually drew town this game. I'm so happy.

WIFOM WIFOM, of course.  But my instinct says this feels genuine.

3)

I think he's posting for appearances. The whole pressure new players and going against the grain on the derp clear, feels for show and not genuine. I don't see any real game solving, just open questions and posts. I read his posts as trying to seem town and not trying to solve

He's discussing faust here.  I don't like this at all.  I disagree with his analysis.  Presumably he's unaware that faust is very respected as a gamesolver here, so this approach is unlikely to win him any points - the whole thing feels forced.

4)

Teamlyle is no fool. All this talk of him derp clearing is overblown.

Faust argument on Cellovix is weakish. Plus, I like ducks. My first word was duck. So D1 pass for Cellovix.

Unless later on I feel like lynching him.

It's 4PM. Good night everyone.

For anyone else (except maybe Hydrad) I would be scumreading this post.  But can the people who've played with iguana and are voting him please look at this post and note how classic igu it is, please?

5)

Okay, Vote: fontisian courtesy of random.org. lol

Just to be perfectly honest, I don't have any evidence for being town, at least not more than everyone else. So I'd be suspicious if anyone trusted me too much.

This is an ugly post.  The random.org vote for RVS feels really forced like he's trying to go with the flow.  The second paragraph is forced too.  "Look how I'm worried about buddying!"

6)

Fair enough.  I think he's marginally more likely to be town than null,

What?  "Null" is not something anyone is "likely to be".
Nothing alignmenty to take from this post, but it doesn't make sense.  Might just be a typo I guess.

7a)
Couple of weird things from Reggie here.  I think I have to townread for them overall just because scum!Reggie is proven to be more careful than this.

I read about my character and I am apparently known for duck hunting a certain someone.

So, uh, Vote: Cellovix I guess?

It's the flavorful thing to do.

So without looking this up, I'm going to analyze it. It's a soft flavor claim. That means the flavor is probably more likely to be town than scum. So the obvious thing to think is that ii is town. But keep in mind scum are often given fake flavor claims, and might want to use them in this way to make people think they're town. So I feel like this post points to ii being scum. vote: ii

I'm skimming and already disappointed at how much information is being handed out to scum.

Eh, I've only handed out information that I don't think is useful to scum. Or have I?

Nyehhhhh.  Reggie's new and all but he's seemed more competent than this in general.  Not sure what he's getting at here. 

7b)

J Reggie, could you please explain your intentions when saying "Or have I?"

Wifom (wine in front of me, which is a reference to that scene in the princess bride where the guy is trying to figure out which glass of wine is poisoned).

Does scum openly admit to trying to wifom people?  But then why does town try to wifom anyone in the first place?  To hide role I guess, but it's RMM. 

8 )

Something about this post from haddock made me lean scum. I don't remember what it was, though, to be honest. Looking at it now, it seems null. Can't have been important.

Could it have been some OMGUS?   I guess I should have clarified that my "scumread" on you was a joke.  I did think that would be clear.


Cellovix, if you like, you can take 1, 4 and 7 as three "posts that I think come from a towny place" and 3 and 5 as from a scummy place.  Obviously individual posts aren't that indicative.  But you requested, so there you go.

I like vote: Cron I think.  teamlyle also hasn't looked amazing in general but I have this feeling people aren't going to be up for that.

PPE 1.  Really though?  I really haven't seen a good point against RR yet.  It's RR.  I guess fonti doesn't know RR.  but.  nyeh.

[J Reggie]

PPE 1.  Really though?  I really haven't seen a good point against RR yet.  It's RR.  I guess fonti doesn't know RR.  but.  nyeh.

That's the point. If I didn't know RR, I'd say he looked very scummy here. As it is he's within his town meta, but as someone else pointed out (can't currently remember who) she's never had to have a real read on RR.

[Cellovix]

@Haddock

I guess I want to throw something in here though re lyle's "slip" (sorry I know I'm behind the times here).  Basically I have no idea why anyone's trying to take anything from it.  It wasn't a slip, it was just lack of knowledge about how f.ds mafia works.  It could have been a constructed lack of knowledge, sure.  But there's just no way to tell, it's completely null.

The reasoning is that if he were scum, he'd know whether or not they made a kill.  The lack of understanding on how f.ds mafia works only works if it comes from town, unless it's completely faked.  And I don't think newb scum even think to make that kind of fake, because it shows a certain kind of nuance in terms of how mafia is played different places.

~x~x~x~x

With regards to #6 - saying that someone is more likely to be town than null means that I think they have higher odds to be town than the mathematical average.  So if scum are 33% of the playerlist, I'm saying I think he's more than 67% likely to be town.  It's just a slightly convoluted way to say Light Town Read, I suppose.

Thanks for doing the exercise, content is always appreciated.

I don't agree with some of your reads, but I'll attempt to parse that and identify why that is, later.  Eyes are kind of glazed over at the moment, and the most I can do is ask questions, rather than think.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.2

Cron(1): Haddock
silverspawn(3): Jan, faust, J Reggie
Cellovix(1): iguanaiguana
Roadrunner7671(1): fontisian
iguanaiguana(1): silverspawn
teamlyle(1): chairs
J Reggie(3): Seprix, Roadrunner7671, teamlyle
Jan(1): Cellovix

Not Voting(1): Cron

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends July 17, 12PM forum time

[iguanaiguana]

I disagree with like all of the things igu has said and done.

That's because I'm not trying!

But that's normal for me and igu. 

I resent this. I'd say we get on just fine most games.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote Count 1.2

Cron(1): Haddock
silverspawn(3): Jan, faust, J Reggie
Cellovix(1): iguanaiguana
Roadrunner7671(1): fontisian
iguanaiguana(1): silverspawn
teamlyle(1): chairs
haddock(1): Cron
J Reggie(3): Seprix, Roadrunner7671, teamlyle
Jan(1): Cellovix

Not Voting(0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends July 17, 12PM forum time

Vote: J Reggie

Wagons!

[J Reggie]

Vote Count 1.2

Cron(1): Haddock
silverspawn(3): Jan, faust, J Reggie
Cellovix(1): iguanaiguana
Roadrunner7671(1): fontisian
iguanaiguana(1): silverspawn
teamlyle(1): chairs
haddock(1): Cron
J Reggie(3): Seprix, Roadrunner7671, teamlyle
Jan(1): Cellovix

Not Voting(0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends July 17, 12PM forum time

Vote: J Reggie

Wagons!

Is there any reason for this other than sheeping the wagon?

[Seprix]

Vote: J Reggie

Wagons!

That is such an awful vote.

[iguanaiguana]

Gut tells me silver is townie, gut tells me you are scummy.

It's Day one, show me a better case and I'll sheep that instead. But so far everyone's cases amount to Much Ado.

[silverspawn]

Ah. Time to strike.

vote: iguana

[silverspawn]

Could it have been some OMGUS?

Nah, we all know you don't suck ♥

[Roadrunner7671]

If roadrunner flips town, good chance Fonti is town. Rarely sticks out her neck that much for a day 1 mafia read on a town as mafia.

Yo I am not flipping.

The only flipping I'm doing is flipping out over these votes 

[silverspawn]

I diagree with #3

I think he's posting for appearances. The whole pressure new players and going against the grain on the derp clear, feels for show and not genuine. I don't see any real game solving, just open questions and posts. I read his posts as trying to seem town and not trying to solve

He's discussing faust here.  I don't like this at all.  I disagree with his analysis.  Presumably he's unaware that faust is very respected as a gamesolver here, so this approach is unlikely to win him any points - the whole thing feels forced.

I don't think it matters how good we think faust is. That doesn't make his analysis forced. He said faust had mostly questions, which is true. Is it far fetched to think of that as scummy?

I do agree about not agreeing with the substance, I think questions are fine early on, and it is early on.

Rest I largely agree with.

[iguanaiguana]

Ah. Time to strike.

vote: iguana

[silverspawn's usual bs]

okay then, you always scumread me though

[silverspawn]

not sure if antagonizing me is so blatantly strategically unsmart that I should give you townpoints for it or not.

[iguanaiguana]

well it's kinda funny because last time I said that I was scum (and so were you!)

[fontisian]

In the game I played with RR, the things he did made sense /from a certain point of view/. I was able to twist my head around his thought-process and basically understand. Here I'm trying to do that, and everything he does seems scum motivated.