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[faust]

We did not really talk about mass claiming after J Reggie's vote there. should we? It's always a tempting thing to try in RMM.

*vote=post

[teamlyle]

Yeah, the RR wagon is weaksauce. fonti has an excuse for voting; she's never had to form a real read on him. Seprix and igu - bad.

I find myself agreeing a lot with silver. I remember I had that some game before and wondered what it meant. Unfortunately, I do not remember how that game turned out.

True, the first people who voted for RR didn't give any reason for it. After RR started freaking out, though, that would be a perfect time for scum to strike and lynch a townie early game, just by bandwagoning. Vote: iguanaiguana

[Cellovix]

I don't think it's a good idea.  It'd lock people into claims, but it'd let scum navigate the likely night action minefield significantly easier, and optimize night kills. 

Seems like a net negative on day one at least.  If a few claims happen due to lynch pressure, maybe on day 2-3?

[faust]

I don't think it's a good idea.  It'd lock people into claims, but it'd let scum navigate the likely night action minefield significantly easier, and optimize night kills. 

Seems like a net negative on day one at least.  If a few claims happen due to lynch pressure, maybe on day 2-3?

Well, there's always the unknown of how much good it will actually do. But doing it on D1 forces scum to commit to potentially subpar fakeclaims without coordination, assuming (i) they don't have daychat (ii) they haven't talked about fakeclaims yet.

[J Reggie]

@teamlyle

Can you explain the "good point"?

Sorry. I meant that the mass alignment claim was pointless and maybe meant to block serious discussion. I definitely could be wrong and if someone comes up with a better reason to lynch someone then I'd do that instead.

It wasn't meant to block discussion. It made more discussion. It led to people having actual reads on other people. Obviously I don't think actually doing it is a good idea, bit the way people reacted to the suggestion can be telling.

Can you give two reads that you got on players based on the... proposal? Not even sure what the word I want is.

Well, Seprix had a quick kind of gut response, which I can see coming from scum. I still have to read that one game where he was scum, since he's been town most of the time. Also, Faust has a pretty good town read on me now, which is good but also a little suspicious. I'm going to be watching those two more carefully now.

[Cellovix]

Hey Faust, talk with me about Seprix.  You said you can read him pretty well.

He's felt pretty opportunistic to me twice this game.  He's either not reading/thinking aboutposts carefully,  or is opportunistic scum.  He jumped on the mass claim thing, and snipped out the fact that it was regarding alignments rather than roles, and then jumped on RR for joking about scumslipping.

Would you mind re-reading him and trying to decide which of the two it is?

Or is he just literally incapable of telling when people are joking, and it's not an alignment indicative thing?

[faust]

Yeah, the RR wagon is weaksauce. fonti has an excuse for voting; she's never had to form a real read on him. Seprix and igu - bad.

I find myself agreeing a lot with silver. I remember I had that some game before and wondered what it meant. Unfortunately, I do not remember how that game turned out.

True, the first people who voted for RR didn't give any reason for it. After RR started freaking out, though, that would be a perfect time for scum to strike and lynch a townie early game, just by bandwagoning. Vote: iguanaiguana

The iguana votes are bad for the same reason the RR votes are bad. iguana's casual "let's make a wagon" is not something that comes from scum more often than from town.

[silverspawn]

Is he usually like that?

Yes.

You've spent what feels like an unusual amount of posts this game trying to reinforce that things are not alignment indicative.  Can you point to 2-3 things that have happened that you think are alignment indicative?

The fact that I did that is indicative of me being town because as scum I would be conscious of doing that and not do it.

Okay, aside from that. ((Ah, I hate this bug where things you delete override what you copied with CTRL + X))

This I gave scum points for

Again, I'm not clearing him all game. There's a chance you're right and he was told to do it. I however find it way more likely it's genuine, hence a one day pass. He should still post and give content, but unless he outright claims mafia or does something very mafia telling for a new player, I think it's a bad place to look at for a day 1 lynch.

because it's over-empathizing how much town points exactly were given

And I'd lean town on RR for non-fabricated craziness. Those are the only two things, I think.

[faust]

Hey Faust, talk with me about Seprix.  You said you can read him pretty well.

He's felt pretty opportunistic to me twice this game.  He's either not reading/thinking aboutposts carefully,  or is opportunistic scum.  He jumped on the mass claim thing, and snipped out the fact that it was regarding alignments rather than roles, and then jumped on RR for joking about scumslipping.

Are you insinuating that scum!Seprix purposefully misrepresents posts people make (that are in the thread for everyone to see) in order to make others vote for them? That seems like horrible play. I think Seprix is simply not thinking about his posts a lot, and if anything, that's more of a town tell than a scum tell.

I can reread him if you like. So far from following along nothing stood out though, and I doubt that will change upon reread.

[fontisian]

There's no way I'm going to get lynched todsy for no reason.

"I'm mafia, but you're voting me for the wrong reasons."

[Cellovix]

@Faust

I don't know him at all, so I have no baseline for his skill/capability.

I'd like if you re-read him, and can explain what I was trying to get out of this line of questioning after the fact.

[Cron]

unvote: Faust

I'm starting to like and agree with your content. Can you still explain the j Reggie town read though. He's your top town why?

[Cron]

Either Fonti is town or Fonti and roadrunner are both mafia. Don't give her credit if RR flips scum. Remember this.

[silverspawn]

There's no way I'm going to get lynched todsy for no reason.

"I'm mafia, but you're voting me for the wrong reasons."

Don't apply common tells to roadrunner. Didn't you play with him already?

[silverspawn]

Either Fonti is town or Fonti and roadrunner are both mafia. Don't give her credit if RR flips scum. Remember this.

oh? Interesting, why?

[Cron]

Either Fonti is town or Fonti and roadrunner are both mafia. Don't give her credit if RR flips scum. Remember this.

oh? Interesting, why?

Townsiding and bussing is well within her range as mafia.

[Roadrunner7671]

There's no way I'm going to get lynched todsy for no reason.

"I'm mafia, but you're voting me for the wrong reasons."

Don't make me give you a post restriction! 

[Cellovix]

Either Fonti is town or Fonti and roadrunner are both mafia. Don't give her credit if RR flips scum. Remember this.

I think I agree with Fontisian being town, but I don't think that is scum/scum interaction.  Bussing is a two way street.  Fontisian's actions look like bussing on the surface (if RR flips scum), but I don't think RR's reaction to her is a reaction a buddy has to getting bussed. It's almost a bewildered kind of defensive.

[Cellovix]

I don't think I explained it properly, I haven't slept yet.  But the general point should be clear - I don't think RR is acting like someone being bussed.  He'd know the person attacking him is scum and would less likely to be so instinctually defensive I think?

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Iguanaiguana

Wagons!

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Iguanaiguana

Wagons!

I actually find this scummy.

[Cellovix]

Vote: Iguanaiguana

Wagons!

I actually find this scummy.

Why are you not voting him, then?

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Iguanaiguana

Wagons!

I actually find this scummy.

Why are you not voting him, then?

I don't want a quick hammer.

[silverspawn]

Good question.

Just type this: vote: igana

[Cellovix]

I have literally no idea how to read RR.

Almost everything he posts makes me want to vote him, but I suspect it's kind of a par for the course sort of deal.