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[McGarnacle]

Ah, Villages! Where would we be without you? Though they rarely form the linchpin of our decks, they are crucial to most engines. But which is the best?

[werothegreat]

You're missing Coin of the Realm, Crossroads, Champion and Lost Arts.  There are also a number of cards considered to be pseudo-villages, like Herald, Golem, and Throne Room and its variants.

[Awaclus]

Border Village.

[Chris is me]

Wandering Minstrel. It's not even close, honestly - an engine running off Wandering Minstrel fires off sooner and more consistently than any other engine. It's one of few Villages good enough to get en masse even if you don't particularly need +Action, just on the strength of its sifting. A huge fan. In very heavy trashing games it isn't as essential, but it really helps tip a lot of boards toward engines.

Hamlet, Fishing Village, and Plaza are my other favorites. Border Village is amazing when there is no +Buy, and sometimes even when there is.

[McGarnacle]

You're missing Coin of the Realm, Crossroads, Champion and Lost Arts.  There are also a number of cards considered to be pseudo-villages, like Herald, Golem, and Throne Room and its variants.

Yes, I know. I didn't want to add pseudo-villages, but if enough people mention it, I will add them  .

[Dingan]

For me, it's close between Border Village, Wandering Minstrel, and Fishing Village.  I've heard good things about Lost City, but haven't played with it yet.

And Crossroads should probably be in your list.

[ThetaSigma12]

How 'bout port?

[McGarnacle]

How 'bout port?

Thanks! Added.

[AdrianHealey]

So many good villages in a wide range of different circumstances

[E.Honda]

I think you cant really answer this question in a vacuum. The different types of villages bring with them different types of bonuses and which one is Best for your engine on a given board depends heavily on the cards in that kingdom

I think a question that could be answered a bit better would be something along the lines of "which village is useful most often". Fishing village, border village and wandering minstrel would be good contenders for that i think. The First because of its cost, duration effect and synergy with draw to x, the second because you can gain engine pieces along with your village and also pull some nice Tricks with it, the third because of the reliability it adds.

Of course you could also just say screw it and buy dame molly.

[Dingan]

Of course you could also just say screw it and buy dame molly.

But in that case you might as well still buy the Border Village, so...

[gkrieg13]

I think you cant really answer this question in a vacuum.

It's pretty hard to do anything without the air.  And where does the sound go in the vacuum?

[E.Honda]

Of course you could also just say screw it and buy dame molly.

But in that case you might as well still buy the Border Village, so...

I guess youre right, this should make border village the Best village since it can gain (almost) all the other villages

Case closed

[J Reggie]

You're missing Coin of the Realm, Crossroads, Champion and Lost Arts.  There are also a number of cards considered to be pseudo-villages, like Herald, Golem, and Throne Room and its variants.

Yes, I know. I didn't want to add pseudo-villages, but if enough people mention it, I will add them  .

I don't think of CotR as a pseudo village, although I doubt anyone would put it over Wandering Minstrel. I think an argument could be made for Champion though.

[McGarnacle]

I wonder if we will ever see a village attack card?

[schadd]

the best village is alms



(is alms, like, the best card? like, think about it for a couple hours)

[J Reggie]

I wonder if we will ever see a village attack card?

Dame Molly?

[E.Honda]

I wonder if we will ever see a village attack card?

Of course you could also just say screw it and buy dame molly.

[McGarnacle]

I wonder if we will ever see a village attack card?

Dame Molly?

Yes, I guess Dame Molly counts, but there is only one.

[Roadrunner7671]

Farming Village of course!

[McGarnacle]

Farming Village of course!

What's so bad about Farming Village?

[Roadrunner7671]

Farming Village of course!

What's so bad about Farming Village?

Where's Awaclus?

[McGarnacle]

Farming Village of course!

What's so bad about Farming Village?

Where's Awaclus?

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[A Drowned Kernel]

If pseudo-villages count King's Court for sure. Otherwise I'd put Inn, Border, Fishing, and Wandering Minstrel at the top.

Although I do kind of want to say Necropolis earns a spot in a "best value for what you pay for it" kind of sense...

[Harley_Beckett]

Well, I assume we're talking about the best village compared to its price because otherwise we're talking Border Village or Lost City I think, without much question.

For its price though, I'd say Fishing Village.  C'mon guys, when was the last time you passed up one of these for 3 coins?  I pick this sometimes over silver just for the payload, but its ability to guarantee you multiple actions on your next turn is what really makes it shine.

My favourite village is probably Nobles.  Both parts of an engine in one card?  And some VP?  Yes please.

The village I overbuy too much is Shanty Town.  The phrase, "Shanty Town, Shanty Town, Shanty Town.  I have three coins.  I buy a Shanty Town," should be etched on my tombstone.

A good case has been made here for Wandering Minstrel, and I certainly agree that it's powerful.  I think it would still see a lot of action at 5.

Plaza is a real sleeper card too.  There's so many nice tricks you can pull off, like Plaza-Library and Plaza-Menagerie.  It's a great buy, and its power is not necessarily obvious at face value.

[amoffett11]

Forgotten in the list of pseudo-villages is one of my favourites:  IronMonger.  You get some sifting, you can get some economy, and you can get some +actions.  I've had games where all the components of an engine are there, except a "village", and my opponent goes Big Money or some such.  But they've overlooked IronMonger, which can easily give you all the +actions you need. 

I'm not saying it's the best village, but it might be my favourite, and I think it deserves a mention.

[LibraryAdventurer]

hmmm, the other poll let me change my vote. This one won't. anyone know why?
Wanted to change from Wandering Minstrel to Plaza.  Wandering Minstrel may be the strongest, but I think Plaza is the best. (When I think best, I think best designed / most fun.)

PS: Ironmonger is one of my favorite cards.

[Mavy2k]

What??? I can´t vote for Coin of the Realm?

[Awaclus]

Farming Village of course!

What's so bad about Farming Village?

I mean, vanilla Village for $4 is a perfectly fine card in a lot of situations. It's just almost strictly worse than any other alternatives.

[markusin]

Oh noes, I meant to vote for Fishing Village, but accidentally voted Farming Village. Why can't I resubmit?

I mean if we're talking the best village, it's probably Wandering Minstrel or Lost City or Border Village or something. I think Wandering Minstrel is too annoying to resolve, especially IRL, but is so powerful you probably want it anyway. Lost City I haven't played with.

I like the feel of Fishing Village and Border Village the most I guess. Bazaar is another nice one.

[McGarnacle]

hmmm, the other poll let me change my vote. This one won't. anyone know why?
Wanted to change from Wandering Minstrel to Plaza.  Wandering Minstrel may be the strongest, but I think Plaza is the best. (When I think best, I think best designed / most fun.)

PS: Ironmonger is one of my favorite cards.

Yes, the poll does not allow vote changes. My bad! I wanted to change my vote from Worker's Village to Wandering Minstrel/

[McGarnacle]

I added Coin of the Realm and Crossroads. Unfortunately, since no one can change the votes (including me) I don't know how much it will help.

[eHalcyon]

Farming Village of course!

What's so bad about Farming Village?

I mean, vanilla Village for $4 is a perfectly fine card in a lot of situations. It's just almost strictly worse than any other alternatives.

---------- awaclus: turn 13 ----------
awaclus - plays Farming Village
awaclus - reveals Estate, Duchy, Copper
awaclus - places Copper in hand
awaclus - discards: Estate, Duchy


http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160113/log.0.1452694543813.txt


I'll help you remember.

[schadd]

Farming Village of course!

What's so bad about Farming Village?

I mean, vanilla Village for $4 is a perfectly fine card in a lot of situations. It's just almost strictly worse than any other alternatives.

---------- awaclus: turn 13 ----------
awaclus - plays Farming Village
awaclus - reveals Estate, Duchy, Copper
awaclus - places Copper in hand
awaclus - discards: Estate, Duchy


http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160113/log.0.1452694543813.txt


I'll help you remember.

[Awaclus]

Farming Village of course!

What's so bad about Farming Village?

I mean, vanilla Village for $4 is a perfectly fine card in a lot of situations. It's just almost strictly worse than any other alternatives.

---------- awaclus: turn 13 ----------
awaclus - plays Farming Village
awaclus - reveals Estate, Duchy, Copper
awaclus - places Copper in hand
awaclus - discards: Estate, Duchy


http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160113/log.0.1452694543813.txt


I'll help you remember.

You might also want to go to the best Attack thread and post that one GokoDom finals game as a proof that Mountebank sucks.

[Accatitippi]

I think the problem with Farming Village is that, while its power is usually quite useful, and might at times make FV more desirable than other villages, it doesn't really change the way you build your deck or play the game, and so it feels really bland. Topdecking attacks are the main exception in which a kingdom with Farming Village is significantly different than one with 4-dollar Village.

[Awaclus]

I think the problem with Farming Village is that, while its power is usually quite useful, and might at times make FV more desirable than other villages,

Well, it is slightly useful if it does anything at all. The thing is, it doesn't. If it did, Scout would be one of the most powerful cards in the game, too.

[eHalcyon]

You might also want to go to the best Attack thread and post that one GokoDom finals game as a proof that Mountebank sucks.

The point I'd that it's not vanilla.  Your statement is like claiming that Mountebank is 100% unskippable.

[Awaclus]

You might also want to go to the best Attack thread and post that one GokoDom finals game as a proof that Mountebank sucks.

The point I'd that it's not vanilla.  Your statement is like claiming that Mountebank is 100% unskippable.

Claiming that Mountebank is 100% unskippable is not incredibly far from the truth and Farming Village skips over cards far less often than Mountebank is skippable.

[GendoIkari]

Or instead of stating things that "aren't far from the truth", you could try actually stating the truth. Or at least making acknowledgements that your statements are intended as hyperbole.

[Awaclus]

Or instead of stating things that "aren't far from the truth", you could try actually stating the truth.

No. Stating the exact truth is more harmful than helpful when it comes to high-level Dominion advice.

[Accatitippi]

I think the problem with Farming Village is that, while its power is usually quite useful, and might at times make FV more desirable than other villages,

Well, it is slightly useful if it does anything at all. The thing is, it doesn't. If it did, Scout would be one of the most powerful cards in the game, too.

Scout's effect is sound, but the card gives a negative/null balance to your hand way too often to be usually worth gaining, at any cost.
Vagrant, on the other hand works as a mini-version of the concept with guaranteed non-negative result.
Now, Farming Village is also guaranteed non-negative, but more importantly FaV is a village, so it's always useful. My point is, I wish it were more unique in the way it shaped games, but it's undeniable that its effect helps engines run more smoothly, even though it makes it the tamest 4$ Village out there.

[Awaclus]

I think the problem with Farming Village is that, while its power is usually quite useful, and might at times make FV more desirable than other villages,

Well, it is slightly useful if it does anything at all. The thing is, it doesn't. If it did, Scout would be one of the most powerful cards in the game, too.

Scout's effect is sound, but the card gives a negative/null balance to your hand way too often to be usually worth gaining, at any cost.
Vagrant, on the other hand works as a mini-version of the concept with guaranteed non-negative result.
Now, Farming Village is also guaranteed non-negative, but more importantly FaV is a village, so it's always useful. My point is, I wish it were more unique in the way it shaped games, but it's undeniable that its effect helps engines run more smoothly, even though it makes it the tamest 4$ Village out there.

Farming Village's effect helps engines run more smoothly exactly as much as Village's effect does. Vagrant is pretty much just a cantrip, and the most noteworthy scenario in which it is likely to be significantly stronger than that is when you can benefit from knowing what's on top of your deck. The vast majority of time, you only get Vagrant when you can't get anything else that improves your deck.

[AdrianHealey]

I guess exactly as much ~ almost always.

[eHalcyon]

Or instead of stating things that "aren't far from the truth", you could try actually stating the truth.

No. Stating the exact truth is more harmful than helpful when it comes to high-level Dominion advice.

Do you mean exact as in "exact", or do you mean exact as in "not exact at all"?

Farming Village's effect helps engines run more smoothly exactly as much as Village's effect does.

"Not exact at all".  OK, got it.

[Awaclus]

Or instead of stating things that "aren't far from the truth", you could try actually stating the truth.

No. Stating the exact truth is more harmful than helpful when it comes to high-level Dominion advice.

Do you mean exact as in "exact", or do you mean exact as in "not exact at all"?

Farming Village's effect helps engines run more smoothly exactly as much as Village's effect does.

"Not exact at all".  OK, got it.

You misread the first quote. I did not say that stating the exact truth is helpful. I said that stating the exact truth is harmful, which is why I never do that.

[eHalcyon]

Or instead of stating things that "aren't far from the truth", you could try actually stating the truth.

No. Stating the exact truth is more harmful than helpful when it comes to high-level Dominion advice.

Do you mean exact as in "exact", or do you mean exact as in "not exact at all"?

Farming Village's effect helps engines run more smoothly exactly as much as Village's effect does.

"Not exact at all".  OK, got it.

You misread the first quote. I did not say that stating the exact truth is helpful. I said that stating the exact truth is harmful, which is why I never do that.

I'm not misreading.  Just questioning your use of English, which is remarkably inaccurate for somebody who is pedantic about it so often.  Omitting edge cases to be succinct with advice is one thing.  Making trivially false statements is another.

[Awaclus]

Making trivially false statements is another.

Making trivially false statements is necessary to give high-level Dominion advice without making it so vague that it's entirely useless for any practical applications.

[eHalcyon]

Making trivially false statements is another.

Making trivially false statements is necessary to give high-level Dominion advice without making it so vague that it's entirely useless for any practical applications.

Not at all.

"The effect of Farming Village is so minimal that it may as well be a vanilla Village."  That statement gets the same point across without being trivially false.

[Awaclus]

Making trivially false statements is another.

Making trivially false statements is necessary to give high-level Dominion advice without making it so vague that it's entirely useless for any practical applications.

Not at all.

"The effect of Farming Village is so minimal that it may as well be a vanilla Village."  That statement gets the same point across without being trivially false.

But that's pretty much what I've been saying.

[eHalcyon]

Making trivially false statements is another.

Making trivially false statements is necessary to give high-level Dominion advice without making it so vague that it's entirely useless for any practical applications.

Not at all.

"The effect of Farming Village is so minimal that it may as well be a vanilla Village."  That statement gets the same point across without being trivially false.

But that's pretty much what I've been saying.

Pretty much, but not exactly.  That's the point.

[Accatitippi]

Making trivially false statements is another.

Making trivially false statements is necessary to give high-level Dominion advice without making it so vague that it's entirely useless for any practical applications.

Not at all.

"The effect of Farming Village is so minimal that it may as well be a vanilla Village."  That statement gets the same point across without being trivially false.

But that's pretty much what I've been saying.

Pretty much, but not exactly.  That's the point.

Oh, come on, "pretty much" and "exactly", that's essentially the same.
 

[eHalcyon]

Pretty much, but not exactly.  That's the point.

Oh, come on, "pretty much" and "exactly", that's essentially the same.
 

Essentially, sure, but not quintessentially!

[Kirian]

I'm going to vote for Your Mama.

[Witherweaver]

Making trivially false statements is another.

Making trivially false statements is necessary to give high-level Dominion advice without making it so vague that it's entirely useless for any practical applications.

Not at all.

"The effect of Farming Village is so minimal that it may as well be a vanilla Village."  That statement gets the same point across without being trivially false.

But that's pretty much what I've been saying.

Pretty much, but not exactly.  That's the point.

Oh, come on, "pretty much" and "exactly", that's essentially the same.
 

It's at least 90--93% the same, considering how short life is.

[Eran of Arcadia]

You've all hit the nail more-or-less right on the head.

[Accatitippi]

You've all hit the nail more-or-less right on the head.

You've managed to put into words the perfect approximation of what I was thinking.