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[Witherweaver]

And yes, I copped e last night.

If e flips town, kill me, no questions asked.

Silver: my wincon implies that there's a third faction that can support scum and e isn't acting like the last mafia. This means there are two left after him.

Ww: I have to shoot mafia to live. Town will absolutely help lynch me if I do not.

You mean a fourth faction?  I'm not sure I can see that. 

I could see this as a slip from fonti, saying third faction rather than fourth.
This could well be a gambit from mafia!RR+fonti.  I don't know at this point.


A question for SK!fonti, if you are that.  Sure, you have to shoot scum.  Do you believe that you know who else is scum?

If it were a gambit, we'd have to explain the three kills last night.

[silverspawn]

and tell fontisian to shoot silver.

Where is that coming from

[fontisian]

I think if e was the last, he claims VT and tries to ride it out. His claim backed himself into a corner. It only makes sense if he was just trying to live through the day.

[Haddock]

And yes, I copped e last night.

If e flips town, kill me, no questions asked.

Silver: my wincon implies that there's a third faction that can support scum and e isn't acting like the last mafia. This means there are two left after him.

Ww: I have to shoot mafia to live. Town will absolutely help lynch me if I do not.

You mean a fourth faction?  I'm not sure I can see that. 

I could see this as a slip from fonti, saying third faction rather than fourth.
This could well be a gambit from mafia!RR+fonti.  I don't know at this point.


A question for SK!fonti, if you are that.  Sure, you have to shoot scum.  Do you believe that you know who else is scum?

If it were a gambit, we'd have to explain the three kills last night.

RR, 1shot scum motivator, motivates fonti.

and tell fontisian to shoot silver.

Where is that coming from

 
Simple enough.  If there is scum past e and fonti, it basically has to be you.


If this were a gambit from fonti and RR I don't think fonti would have mentioned ascetic.  I think he would have made sure e's results didn't make sense.

[liopoil]

and tell fontisian to shoot silver.

Where is that coming from

Pretty much POE, but will discuss more later. The only other options are WW and Haddock really...

I'm convinced that e is not the last, but how could there be TWO more mafia? Who could they even be?

[Roadrunner7671]

Motivation doesn't work on factional powers

[liopoil]

Motivation doesn't work on factional powers

This, and SK!fontisian is a total fit with her play while mafia!font is not at all

[silverspawn]

Simple enough. If there is scum past e and fonti, it basically has to be you.

well it's not me. so PoE? I haven't done the PoE, but you and lio are both candidates. Lio not so much because I still townread him based on his play.

in any case @fonti - so you don't know who the remaining scum is? Which means if we let you live for tonight you'll have to guess?

[silverspawn]

Motivation doesn't work on factional powers

This, and SK!fontisian is a total fit with her play while mafia!font is not at all

agreed. it hasn't been mafia play.

[silverspawn]

and tell fontisian to shoot silver.

Where is that coming from

Pretty much POE, but will discuss more later. The only other options are WW and Haddock really...

I'm convinced that e is not the last, but how could there be TWO more mafia? Who could they even be?

you and haddock?

[Roadrunner7671]

Stop guys. There are three scum left: Fontisian, 2.7 and mystery man.

Carry on.

[fontisian]

Sorry, I meant third scum faction.

If I'm wrong about it, it's because getting info from faust is like trying to squeeze blood from a lemon.

I do not know who the remaining scum is. But hey, I've gotten three, so I have a decent track record.

[Haddock]

Motivation doesn't work on factional powers

Sure, but you might well as mafia have some such thing that allows a 1-shot extra kill.  But then I guess we still need ANOTHER faction.    I'm aware this is a stretch, but it IS a possibility.

and tell fontisian to shoot silver.

Where is that coming from

Pretty much POE, but will discuss more later. The only other options are WW and Haddock really...

I'm convinced that e is not the last, but how could there be TWO more mafia? Who could they even be?

I don't think there can be 3 mafia and an SK left.  If there is we ALMOST can't win anyway, but have to lynch away from fonti.  Fonti probably knows this and is playing up the likelihood of 3-remaining scum.  But I guess it's possible.

Most likely scenario is that fonti is telling the truth, e is scum and there's one other.  In which case we lynch e, and aski fonti nicely to shoot someone-we-think-is-scum (pseudo vote might be good for this).  Of course she doesn't have to go with it, but fonti likely gets killed by mafia tonight.

PPE. a whole bunch.
@RR, how do you know that?
@silver.  Tcha.  You must realise that's a HUGE stretch.

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't know that but nothing else makes any sense.

[liopoil]

Sorry, I meant third scum faction.

If I'm wrong about it, it's because getting info from faust is like trying to squeeze blood from a lemon.

I do not know who the remaining scum is. But hey, I've gotten three, so I have a decent track record.

What exactly did your result on e say? What reason do you have to suspect a third scum faction?

On N1 there were 0 deaths not cause by fontisian
On N2 there was 1 death not caused by fontisian (Seprix)
On N3 there was 1 death not caused by fontisian (Melisandre)

Looks like just the mafia to me.

[fontisian]

Dear mafia,
I'm totally bulletproof tonight.

Totally.

Bulletproof.

(Nailed it.)

[liopoil]

Simple enough. If there is scum past e and fonti, it basically has to be you.

well it's not me. so PoE? I haven't done the PoE, but you and lio are both candidates. Lio not so much because I still townread him based on his play.

in any case @fonti - so you don't know who the remaining scum is? Which means if we let you live for tonight you'll have to guess?

WW is not a candidate for you? interesting

[liopoil]

Dear mafia,
Fontisian is totally not bulletproof tonight.

The only way she can win is by deflecting a mafia shot on Night 5. Thus she will be saving it for night 5. Therefore you should shoot her tonight.

Totally.

Not bulletproof.

(Nalled it.)

[fontisian]

Sorry, I meant third scum faction.

If I'm wrong about it, it's because getting info from faust is like trying to squeeze blood from a lemon.

I do not know who the remaining scum is. But hey, I've gotten three, so I have a decent track record.

What exactly did your result on e say? What reason do you have to suspect a third scum faction?

On N1 there were 0 deaths not cause by fontisian
On N2 there was 1 death not caused by fontisian (Seprix)
On N3 there was 1 death not caused by fontisian (Melisandre)

Looks like just the mafia to me.

It's like, I need to kill everyone to win, with an exception. And I don't know anything about the exception, except that it exists. That has to be a fourth party, right?

[Haddock]

I don't know that but nothing else makes any sense.

Tend to agree.

There are 4 scenarios on the table here.  I'll lay them out from most likely to least likely.  (BIG gaps in likelihood between these)

1) fonti is an SK as claimed, e is mafia and one other is mafia.  (we should lynch e)

2) fonti is an SK as claimed, e is mafia and 2 others are mafia. (we should lynch e)

3) fonti is an SK as claimed, got redirected somehow and 2/3 others are mafia.  (We should lynch who we think is scummiest - probably e anyway, but MAYBE fonti)

4) fonti and RR are concocting something, there's someone else out there, I'd guess silver, also killing, probably an SK. (we should lynch fonti)

I dunno guys, seems fairly clearcut to me.

One thing is: how have noone's results been affected by gkrieg's bus drive?  I would have thought we'd have seen some sign of that.

PPE. lio.  I tend to agree with your death analysis.  N1 is interesting, it means that whoever claimed jailkeeper probably saved someone?  We should look at that.  (or e, I guess, but I cannot see town!e here really)

PPE. fonti.  Not necessarily.  That might be a flavour thing.  Like, one scum can live because you're flavour-buddies with them.

[2.71828.....]

Vote: fontisian

My claim didn't back me in a corner, my claim validates me. With all the investigation you seriously think scum doesn't have some sort of ninja/bus driver/nexus/whatever? I would not be surprised if Melisandre was ninja killed N1, but my doctor saved him. Because scum is going to doctor their own kill N1. But oh wait, we were the evil masterminds who predicted this claiming scenario back on N1.....right.....

I think font/lio/RR make the most sense as remaining scum. Their claims all line up. Fontisian could very well be SK, but maybe they are in communication in some way? I don't know.

There can't be more than 3 scum remaining, or the game would be over. I mean, possibly multiple factions to add up to 4 scum, but either way. Scum need one mislynch. I am a great target for that. I just don't think they were expecting my claim but now they just have to power through with it since they committed

[liopoil]

Sorry, I meant third scum faction.

If I'm wrong about it, it's because getting info from faust is like trying to squeeze blood from a lemon.

I do not know who the remaining scum is. But hey, I've gotten three, so I have a decent track record.

What exactly did your result on e say? What reason do you have to suspect a third scum faction?

On N1 there were 0 deaths not cause by fontisian
On N2 there was 1 death not caused by fontisian (Seprix)
On N3 there was 1 death not caused by fontisian (Melisandre)

Looks like just the mafia to me.

It's like, I need to kill everyone to win, with an exception. And I don't know anything about the exception, except that it exists. That has to be a fourth party, right?

You don't know your own wincon in full? Wow. Probably you win if it's just you and a mafia left or something.

[fontisian]

Lio: Maybe? I'd like to repeat that life sucks and then you die.

[fontisian]

Lol, yeah, I'm with RR. That's why he outed me.

[silverspawn]

Let's examine both separately.

4 - 1 - 2
Lynch SK -> 3 - 2 LyLo
Lynch Mafia -> 4 - 1 - 1
... Two towns get shot -> Lose
... Town and scum gets shot -> 3 / 1 MyLo
... Two Scum get shot -> Win

3 - 1 - 3
Lynch SK -> Lose
Lynch Mafia -> 3 - 1 - 2
... Two towns get shot -> Lose
... Town and SK get shot -> Lose
... Town and Mafia get shot -> 2 - 1 - 1 Could be winnable
... Mafia and SK gets shot -> 3 / 1 MyLo