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[A Drowned Kernel]

Also, is A Drowned Kernel usually a player who doesn't like early D1 focus on him? Or does he invite it by talking himself into pressure?

Also hard to say. I don't think he usually gets early pressure.

That's not what it feels like to me, but I'm biased.

Melisandre, I can point you to a few games where I got early pressure, both as town and as scum, if you're interested.

[Melisandre]

Melisandre, I can point you to a few games where I got early pressure, both as town and as scum, if you're interested.

Please - at some point of D1 I will need to meta-dig a few slots to judge the validity of all these meta-defences 

[J Reggie]

Ok, a lot of stuff to respond to. Will catch up as I eat breakfast.

[J Reggie]

So my thought process is as follows: I thought ADK looked scummy, then realized I didn't know why I thought that, then Seprix made a case and I agreed with it. And I definitely don't have a hard scum-read on anyone, so I'm going with what I've got and seeing how people react, which is how I play the game.

The opinion poll was partially because I was having trouble forming an opinion on the two others, partially because I thought people weren't talking about them enough for how much they had continued, and also because I'm always surprised by how people read my posts. Apparently people are finding me scummy this game. That's interesting; I guess it's fine. I'm still getting used to all these new people.

I'm currently feeling pretty town on melisandre, but I'm wary of that because we might just be used to different metas.

Also, if anyone has a preference for what pronouns you would like to be referred to by, let me know. I go by he/him/his. I feel like this is a thing we should do when we /in, but that probably won't catch on.

[J Reggie]

I need to hear him be more expressive with his reads.

That's not going to happen until I have better reads to be expressive about. At this point it's all I can do to have any reads.

[Seprix]

Off to work. I read everything, and I have some things to talk about when I get back.

[Seprix]

It'll be like 4 1/2 hours. Yes, lame job hours. I know.

[Haddock]

@Roadrunner7671 - why did you ask Seprix to 'chill'?

We had an incident recently, someone left the forum over a Mafia game. It's an ongoing game and a touchy subject, so we won't dwell into that.

But I don't want Seprix to leave or cause someone else to leave. Like, why would he assume someone was British or trying to make him look like a fool?

Man, why are you equating calling someone British with insulting them? 


Anyway.  Yeah I think I'm caught up now.  There's way too much going on in this game for me to follow easily though.  Phew.

Thoughts so far:
RR and Awaclus are being their usual town selves as far as I'm concerned.   Though haven't heard from Awa in a while?

Seprix is meh.  I come out null-scummy on him, but it's just gut, and my gut can't be reliable at all, I just don't have a feel for Seprix at this point.


J Reggie looks bad in places, and I think is worthy of a vote. Will check vote count before I do so, seems like lots of votes on him lately.


Melisandre does big posts in a kinda me-ish style, which I really like.  Need to read him more carefully to get anything out of it, but I lean towny on him overall.

I wanna have a closer look at ADK too, which I'll get to at some point.

[J Reggie]

J Reggie is pretty scummy too : his jumping on silver and ADK feels forced, not in a good way.

What is a good way to feel forced?  Is that even a thing?  And honestly yes, it is a little forced.  I kind of have to force reads early with very little information.  What happens after that is where the real reads come from. 

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ok. I'm awake now.
Not a fan of the ADK wagon. I always think Seprix is scummy.

Also, scumread on Melis for changing his avatar already.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Sher locks like a good lynch to me.

Who is sher? Seprix?

It might be a purposeful misspelling of 'sure'?

[J Reggie]

Sher locks like a good lynch to me.

Who is sher? Seprix?

It might be a purposeful misspelling of 'sure'?

It's a pun on the flavor of this game.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Sher locks like a good lynch to me.

Who is sher? Seprix?

It might be a purposeful misspelling of 'sure'?

It's a pun on the flavor of this game.

Oh, yeah... 
I kind of forgot what flavor the game was.

[silverspawn]

I kind of forgot what flavor the game was.

[J Reggie]

Sher locks like a good lynch to me.

Who is sher? Seprix?

It might be a purposeful misspelling of 'sure'?

It's a pun on the flavor of this game.

Oh, yeah... 
I kind of forgot what flavor the game was.

I guess this is a town-slip, maybe not.  I feel like if you were mafia you would have been more aware of the flavor, and this doesn't seem like a thing you did on purpose.  Although there's the whole debate over whether town-slips are real or not, but whatever. 

[A Drowned Kernel]

So my thought process is as follows: I thought ADK looked scummy, then realized I didn't know why I thought that, then Seprix made a case and I agreed with it. And I definitely don't have a hard scum-read on anyone, so I'm going with what I've got and seeing how people react, which is how I play the game.

The opinion poll was partially because I was having trouble forming an opinion on the two others, partially because I thought people weren't talking about them enough for how much they had continued, and also because I'm always surprised by how people read my posts. Apparently people are finding me scummy this game. That's interesting; I guess it's fine. I'm still getting used to all these new people.

I'm currently feeling pretty town on melisandre, but I'm wary of that because we might just be used to different metas.

Also, if anyone has a preference for what pronouns you would like to be referred to by, let me know. I go by he/him/his. I feel like this is a thing we should do when we /in, but that probably won't catch on.

Re: the opinion poll: I found it odd that gkrieg was asked about considering he had made 2 posts at that point.

[gkrieg13]

Seprix reread:
  RVS vote
  makes some jokes then asks Awaclus to explain his vote
  more jokes, and throws some dominion stuff in there
  says that asking Awaclus was worth a shot, and that he doesn't want to put more energy into it
  attempts three times to vote for Melis because of his early reads list
  says that for WIFOM reasons Melis might open this way as scum
  warns about Awaclus
  says that he doesn't like the forced reads to get out of RVS
  says he wants to vote for Melis twice
  says once again that he really doesn't like the reads list of Melis.  I kinda agree with him here that the reads list could have been taken as serious and actually gave him a lot of towncred regardless of whether it was real or not for some reason.
  gives some setup talk where he says we are either multiball, or a 4-person scum team.  I think Mistborn Mafia was this size and it had a 5-person mafia team, but we kept thinking it was multiball.  I wouldn't discount a large mafia team until we see otherwise.
  says he thinks RVS is over
  claims an ADK/Melis scum team but then doesn't want to express a case
  Has a post where he says that he townreads Melis because he is too scummy to be scum.  There is also some other great content in this post
  unvotes Melis and gives him a D1 pass
  votes ADK because ADK says that there is a scum motivation for making someone defensive.  I agree with Seprix here.  I don't think there is a scum motivation for attacking someone.  Usually you want to hide in the shadows while two other townies fight.  Especially in a game this large where you will have townies fight.
  points out the inconsistency with ADK's logic
 

Overall I don't get why people are voting for Seprix.  I think he is honestly looking for scum.  He is rereading when appropriate, trying to make valid cases on people, and his responses have obviously been genuine.

[gkrieg13]

I'll reread ADK next

[silverspawn]

Overall I don't get why people are voting for Seprix.

unvotes Melis and gives him a D1 pass

Primarily because of this.

[gkrieg13]

ADK reread:
  first post is voting for Seprix for trying to keep us in RVS
  says he doesn't think Melis's reads were contrived
  votes Teproc because of his townread on him
  says it isn't risky to vote someone who looks like they have reads early
  says again that he is suspicious of townreads on him from others early on
  when asked which of the reads didn't look contrived, he responded "I mostly like that you were voting for Awaclus"
  Says that is because of Awa's meta
  wants the Seprix/Melis fight to continue
  Says there is scum motivation for what Seprix did in trying to stop people from having reads.  I don't agree (as I stated in the Seprix reread) that scum really tries to do this. Maybe in a 9-person game, but much less here.
  says his reaction to Seprix's post was honest.  I agree that his tone did seem genuine
  says that his reasons for voting Seprix seemed fine at the time
  says he has changed his read on Seprix and becomes very defensive about it
  says that he doesn't agree with the votes on Seprix after all the backlash he got for scum reading him early.  This looks like one of two things: a natural progression of a read on someone who had a lot of posts, or scum trying to make it look like a natural progression of a read.  I would say it looks more like the former
 

Overall he seems genuine.  I feel like scum!ADK is usually easy to spot later on in the game.  I think he is trying to move the gane along so he comes out on the townie side of null.  I definitely understand the votes on him though.

[gkrieg13]

Overall I don't get why people are voting for Seprix.

unvotes Melis and gives him a D1 pass

Primarily because of this.

Ya but when you reread Seprix, it makes a lot of sense why he did that.  He liked Melis's defense of himself, which was fairly thorough, so he unvoted and said that he doesn't want to lynch him today.  What is wrong with that?

[Awaclus]

Though haven't heard from Awa in a while?

What do you mean? You heard from me today.

[2.71828.....]

Though haven't heard from Awa in a while?

What do you mean? You heard from me today.

Don't worry, he is just overly suspicious of you. Trying to create a case and all

[Jan]

Hi! Sorry for not posting a lot so far.

Subbed into the mash on mu 2 days ago and it is kinda time consuming. and since this is a 7 day dayphase and mash has 36 hours dayphase, the pressure is a bit higher over there.

Will do some rereading in here now for a while.

I actually have some trouble with this forum in itself because the quotestacks are not well made. Whatever.

If you guys have questions i should be around for a while doing the read.

[Awaclus]

Hi! Sorry for not posting a lot so far.

Subbed into the mash on mu 2 days ago and it is kinda time consuming. and since this is a 7 day dayphase and mash has 36 hours dayphase, the pressure is a bit higher over there.

Will do some rereading in here now for a while.

I actually have some trouble with this forum in itself because the quotestacks are not well made. Whatever.

If you guys have questions i should be around for a while doing the read.

Your current level of activity is pretty much par for the course on f.ds though, so no need to apologize.