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[Ichimaru Gin]

Um. I'm confused. Awaclus said that he's a friendly neighbor. That just means he can send people messages saying that he is town.
Anyone can receive them. Only Awaclus is basically confirmed as an IC now. Not the people he targets.

[chairs]

vote: Hydrad.

lynch is the correct term, unless you're scummy mcscumlord.

[Hydrad]

vote: Hydrad.

lynch is the correct term, unless you're scummy mcscumlord.

oh this again. I can 100% say that i've said kill instead of lynch as town many times. I view it as the same thing. When we lynch someone we are basically killing them. I know one game at least ss pointed it out as this same thing but I guess I can't hope for ss to back me up here as hes kinda the mod...

I'd go through my games to give you links... but I have absolutely no clue how to easily sort through all that without pretty much looking at all of my posts.

[Awaclus]

Um. I'm confused. Awaclus said that he's a friendly neighbor. That just means he can send people messages saying that he is town.
Anyone can receive them. Only Awaclus is basically confirmed as an IC now. Not the people he targets.

I haven't targeted WW. But Haddock did and I received that result when Haddock died.

[pingpongsam]

Um. I'm confused. Awaclus said that he's a friendly neighbor. That just means he can send people messages saying that he is town.
Anyone can receive them. Only Awaclus is basically confirmed as an IC now. Not the people he targets.

I haven't targeted WW. But Haddock did and I received that result when Haddock died.

Good ole insane Haddock, you mean?

[chairs]

Incredibly happy with my vote: pps right now. Revoting to make sure I didn't change my mind while I was tired last night.

[gkrieg13]

I don't know how much I would trust Haddock's results.  If I were creating a game, the persistent cop is the last person I would make sane when I have made it clear that cops are not guaranteed to be sane

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I totally agree that we can't trust cops results. I have reason to believe WW is town external to haddock's result.

I do have my reservations. Scenarios exist where WW is, in fact, scum. But I think we are much more likely to find scum in pps/chairs/ichi.

Still need to finish my reread and consolidate the claims so I can think better about them. Had a work social function last night (the worst) that prevented me from getting it done yesterday

[gkrieg13]

I totally agree that we can't trust cops results. I have reason to believe WW is town external to haddock's result.

I do have my reservations. Scenarios exist where WW is, in fact, scum. But I think we are much more likely to find scum in pps/chairs/ichi.

Agree with this

[pingpongsam]

I totally agree that we can't trust cops results. I have reason to believe WW is town external to haddock's result.

I do have my reservations. Scenarios exist where WW is, in fact, scum. But I think we are much more likely to find scum in pps/chairs/ichi.

Agree with this

I don't know it smells like the classic frame up where we lynch one town to say that if he flips town the other must be scum so we lynch that town next. I mean, sure night actions could prevent it but I am not all so sure that Ichi or chairs are scum and I know I am not. To be honest I will have to make time for a big ole re read because I just don't know anymore. Except that WW should be lynched, I mean, that part is obvious.

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Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.

Rereading and I found this.  Which is exactly what RR was doing.  Well, not fakeclaiming scum exactly, but fakeclaiming not-town

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Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.

Rereading and I found this.  Which is exactly what RR was doing.  Well, not fakeclaiming scum exactly, but fakeclaiming not-town

Which is funny.  I don't think it is anything to say about PPS or anything, but I just find it interesting

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But I am invisible.

oh dont worry.  i have your number.  we can lynch you d3 or whenever.

This.

[Ichimaru Gin]

But I am invisible.

oh dont worry.  i have your number.  we can lynch you d3 or whenever.

This.

yeah whenever, like never.

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Ok.  Finished.  Lets do this thing.

player Haddock gkrieg Witherweaver Ichimaru Gin Awaclus PPS Hydrad chairs

role Persistant Cop Watcher Voyeur Friendly Neighbor Roleblocker...wait...doctor Tracker Doctor

N1 action Targeted WW - innocent Targeted e (Awaclus (confirmed) and WW (confirmed) targeted him) Targeted e targeted WW (no result) (contradicted by Haddock if PPS is doctor) Targeted e (confirmed) Targeted Ichi Targeted PPS (PPS targeted Ichi) Targeted Haddock

N2 action Targeted WW (Haddock did not target, but nothing else claimed) Targeted Awaclus (no actions used on him) (contradicted) targeted chairs (confirmed) Targeted Awaclus Targeted chairs (chairs targeted haddock) (confirmed) Targeted Haddock

And no one else has claimed. 

I do like an Ichi vote right now.  given the claims that we have I think he is most likely scum.  I mean, that would mean that town!PPS lied to us!  Oh, No!  Town should never lie!  Except....that isn't necessarily true.  Reference the Game of a Million Cops (Ashersky's 2015 mafia championship game).  I know, this is a totally different setup and a totally different group of people playing....but....I just think this lie comes off townie.  Like, planned to catch scum.  I don't know.  Call me crazy.  I like lynching Ichi today.

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and crap.  the spacing is off if the page is too small.  Hope the table is still readable for you guys

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Ok.  Finished.  Lets do this thing.

player Haddock gkrieg Witherweaver Ichimaru Gin Awaclus PPS Hydrad chairs

role Persistant Cop Watcher Voyeur Friendly Neighbor Roleblocker...wait...doctor Tracker Doctor

N1 action Targeted WW - innocent Targeted e (Awaclus (confirmed) and WW (confirmed) targeted him) Targeted e targeted WW (no result) (contradicted by Haddock if PPS is doctor) Targeted e (confirmed) Targeted Ichi Targeted PPS (PPS targeted Ichi) Targeted Haddock

N2 action Targeted WW (Haddock did not target, but nothing else claimed) Targeted Awaclus (no actions used on him) (contradicted) targeted chairs (confirmed) Targeted Awaclus Targeted chairs (chairs targeted haddock) (confirmed) Targeted Haddock

And no one else has claimed. 

I do like an Ichi vote right now.  given the claims that we have I think he is most likely scum.  I mean, that would mean that town!PPS lied to us!  Oh, No!  Town should never lie!  Except....that isn't necessarily true.  Reference the Game of a Million Cops (Ashersky's 2015 mafia championship game).  I know, this is a totally different setup and a totally different group of people playing....but....I just think this lie comes off townie.  Like, planned to catch scum.  I don't know.  Call me crazy.  I like lynching Ichi today.

I think that helps being a quote

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Also, if I missed anything please feel free to quote my post and add to it

[gkrieg13]

Ok.  Finished.  Lets do this thing.

player Haddock gkrieg Witherweaver Ichimaru Gin Awaclus PPS Hydrad chairs

role Persistant Cop Watcher Voyeur Friendly Neighbor Roleblocker...wait...doctor Tracker Doctor

N1 action Targeted WW - innocent Targeted e (Awaclus (confirmed) and WW (confirmed) targeted him) Targeted e targeted WW (no result) (contradicted by Haddock if PPS is doctor) Targeted e (confirmed) Targeted Ichi Targeted PPS (PPS targeted Ichi) Targeted Haddock

N2 action Targeted WW (Haddock did not target, but nothing else claimed) Targeted Awaclus (no actions used on him) (contradicted) targeted chairs (confirmed) Targeted Awaclus Targeted chairs (chairs targeted haddock) (confirmed) Targeted Haddock

And no one else has claimed. 

I do like an Ichi vote right now.  given the claims that we have I think he is most likely scum.  I mean, that would mean that town!PPS lied to us!  Oh, No!  Town should never lie!  Except....that isn't necessarily true.  Reference the Game of a Million Cops (Ashersky's 2015 mafia championship game).  I know, this is a totally different setup and a totally different group of people playing....but....I just think this lie comes off townie.  Like, planned to catch scum.  I don't know.  Call me crazy.  I like lynching Ichi today.

He got no result because PPS roleblocked him right?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Wow. Thanks for putting the effort into that post! Definitely helps to see everything in one place.

I saw nothing N1, because I was apparently roleblocked by PPS. I wasn't told that nothing happened to WW, I just got no result from my voyeuring him. So, it's not contradicted.

PPE: 2

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except....PPS is claiming Doctor.  That he never was a RB.  Ever.  So either he is lying or you are

[Ichimaru Gin]

except....PPS is claiming Doctor.  That he never was a RB.  Ever.  So either he is lying or you are

Really? I thought he was claiming to have both doctor and roleblocking powers. Regardless, I still saw nothing N1.

[gkrieg13]

Really? I thought he was claiming to have both doctor and roleblocking powers. ]

This is what I understood as well

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but yeah.  "no result" vs "no actions used" are two different things. 

I am just trying to figure out this PPS thing.  He lied, clearly.  But was it a town lie or a scum lie.  That is the question.  Town lie means that Ichi is scum.  Scum lie means that PPS is scum

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PPS - Have you ever actually roleblocked anyone?  Are you a doctor?  Do you have dual powers?