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[Witherweaver]

Oh, and mentions Hydrad once.

So you can just quote it, right?  Like everything (non-mod-directed) that he said.  Might as well do yours too.

[Ampharos]

Notes:

It's backwards.  Whatever.  Read it backwards.
It has sucky formatting.  Whatever.  You're all smart chaps, you can read it.
I post as Mychael for a while.  Sorry about that - multiple sites using QT.
I removed some stuff Teproc says about other players.  That's up to him to share and is between him and them.  I don't think anything in there is game related though. 
I think I got everything cleaned up so hopefully I don't get modkilled for this.  Whatevs.


Ampharos
02-09-2016
08:26 AM ET (US)
   

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Why is Hydrad always scum -.-

I can't read that dude haha. I suppose I should be happy about this haha.

Now I'm writing this with this like "zomg people are going to want me to post this later" feeling and it feels so fake. Whatevs.

HI MOM
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Ampharos
02-08-2016
02:21 PM ET (US)
   Ohhhh man ADK feels weird.

SS is still? Is it bad that I don't even bother reading him?
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Ampharos
02-04-2016
02:35 PM ET (US)
   Caught up.
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Ampharos
02-04-2016
02:35 PM ET (US)
   gk scum calling it now
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Ampharos
02-04-2016
02:33 PM ET (US)
   Beautiful job by Awaclus talking about rules and distracting everyone. Very very scummy.
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Ampharos
02-04-2016
02:31 PM ET (US)
   Lekkit dude seems town.
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Ampharos
02-04-2016
02:29 PM ET (US)
   AAAaaaand posted all those as Mychael. Man. Two different sites using QTs makes for funsies.
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Mychael
02-04-2016
02:29 PM ET (US)
   And then he immediately spams... lol.
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Mychael
02-04-2016
02:28 PM ET (US)
   Town WW doesn't really make long posts like 267
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Mychael
02-04-2016
02:17 PM ET (US)
   Odd feeling about Chairs. Gotta watch him.
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Mychael
02-04-2016
02:15 PM ET (US)
   I just did that whole emotional rant thing in an off site game. Tempted to buy it for now, but really don't want to.
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Mychael
02-04-2016
02:13 PM ET (US)
   Yuma is hyper aggressive. Kind of hard seeing scum playing like that, but it's a bit different than last game.
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Mychael
02-04-2016
02:11 PM ET (US)
   Noticing huge difference in Faust's flavor. Read him successfully last game - feeling town here.

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15-18 Talking to mod/mod talking
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14 Redacted for Teproc's sake
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TeprocPerson was signed in when posted
02-03-2016
08:37 PM ET (US)
   I mean I can't blame faust for what he's doing. Just because yuma is going to react very badly to it, doesn't mean that it isn't valid.

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Part of 13 redacted for Teproc's sake
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 I see how yuma can (and will) perceive this as purposefuly trying to push his buttons. And hey, maybe that's what faust's doing, if he's scum. But the problem is : he would do this as town too, because it's not that unreasonable a case...
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TeprocPerson was signed in when posted
02-03-2016
08:33 PM ET (US)
   This is going to be a fun day 1...
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TeprocPerson was signed in when posted
02-03-2016
08:11 PM ET (US)
   yuma might /out. I don't know what it is, but he seems really frustrated with mafia and f.ds in general recently.
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TeprocPerson was signed in when posted
02-03-2016
07:19 PM ET (US)
   Not sure what's going on in this game. Nothing is happening, basically. I guess it makes Hydrad more likely to be scum.
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TeprocPerson was signed in when posted
02-03-2016
07:18 PM ET (US)
   faust's comments on yuma are going to go over great I'm sure.

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TeprocPerson was signed in when posted
02-02-2016
07:28 AM ET (US)
   For the record I think faust was referring to me with the "passive-agressiveness" comment, or both of us, but not specifically yuma.

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I'm not actually convinced this is town!yuma... The thing is, town!yuma suspects me. I'm sure there's an exception, but I have a hard time thinking of a game where yuma was town and didn't suspect me more than the rest of town did (regardless of my alignment). scum!yuma is, I think, slightly more likely to get into big arguments though, so I don't know. Slightly leaning town, but not as much as it might appear from the thread.
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TeprocPerson was signed in when posted
02-01-2016
07:34 PM ET (US)
   Yeah, I've basically claimed VT at this point. People sometimes overestimate my ability to WIFOM, so a scum team that does not have faust or WW might think I'm WIFOMing, but that's not my strong suit and those guys know it. ADK too, though he could be paranoid about me because of Pony-Pony Mafia.
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TeprocPerson was signed in when posted
02-01-2016
07:29 PM ET (US)
   Aaaand this is why we have QTs. That was not great, and I get why faust suspects me for it, I really shouldn't be doing dumb stuff like that.
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TeprocPerson was signed in when posted
02-01-2016
07:23 PM ET (US)
   Slightly scared I got the setup wrong which would be kind of a VT-slip.

But I don't think I did ? I think faust is being non-literal about the "safe claim" thing.

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1-4 Talking to mod/mod talking
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[Ampharos]

And yes, I haven't posted anything in there since the 9th.

[chairs]

vote:rr

[Awaclus]

Was Ampharos online February 26, 2016, 02:31:21 pm?

[Ampharos]

Yes - I spent the time between then and my post making sure the QT was clean of mod interactions and removing some stuff of Teprocs for reasons already stated.

Oh and answering the phone a couple times at work.

[Awaclus]

Hmm, I guess that's pretty reasonable.

[Witherweaver]

I'm still slightly suspicious of Teproc's comments, moreso than Ampharos'.  But on the other hand, Teproc isn't a huge fabrication guy.

RR seems pretty reasonable. 

[chairs]

That vote I made is probably l1

[Roadrunner7671]

vote:rr

Wrong format! Doesn't count!

[Witherweaver]

vote:rr

Wrong format! Doesn't count!

Hammer: RR

[silverspawn]

yeah, amph is town.

[2.71828.....]

Amph is town, RR is town, I am town, chairs is town....

That leaves WW, silverspawn, and Awaclus

Didn't I do this earlier some day?

vote: WW

I will more thoroughly defend RR later today, thus proving by irrefutable PoE that WW is scum

[Witherweaver]

It's not me.. look at my Egor votes all game.  It is not a bus.

[Awaclus]

Yeah, out of WW, silverspawn and Awaclus, I'm inclined to believe the last scum is RR.

[2.71828.....]

It's not me.. look at my Egor votes all game.  It is not a bus.

ok, yeah.  You were voting EgorK D1, then hammered Hydrad (after claim, no town points given), but then you were on EgorK D2, so fine.  You can be town.

Although I was going to do this super awesome quote thing had you not been voting EgorK D2.  It would have been fabulous.  I guess I will still do it.

It didn't really seem too suspicious to me until I read Ampharos (after reading Teproc).  Ampharos doesn't do a lot of note and doesn't do anything regarding Hydrad.

If "not doing anything of note" is your metirc for finding scum, you should be voting for Egor.

I'm pretty sure I wanted to lynch him on Day 1, and no one else did~

And Hydrad is a common D1 mislynch, so some people are motivated to look elsewhere.

I will say that this is a bad argument. One could also say that I am a "safe bus" because I never get lynched D1. So then everyone is a safe bus, the people who are often lynched and those whose a rarely lynched. Except... a bus is not safe.

Thing is it's safe when it's the beginning of Day 1.

Which is the argument I would have used....except it is invalid since you were part of EgorK's lynch D2.  Oh well, on to my next lynch candidate

unvote

[2.71828.....]

You know what?  After rereading silverspawn, I am inclined to go vote: silverspawn

And, ok.  I will now go back and reread RR to see if I think he could be scum (doubt it).

[silverspawn]

You know what?  After rereading silverspawn, I am inclined to go vote: silverspawn

And, ok.  I will now go back and reread RR to see if I think he could be scum (doubt it).

didn't you do that before and then you realized that you were wrong ?

I would be happy to tell you why you're wrong, but I can't seem to respond to all the reasons you gave me.

[2.71828.....]

no, no, no.  I realized I was wrong about WW, not about you.

Anyway, I will go back and post an actual case about silverspawn here shortly, but I reread RR and he seems very consistently town to me.  Granted, he unvoted both Hydrad and EgorK when they got to L-1....

But consistency, man.  He is town.  I feel it in my gut.  Same way silverspawn is scum.  Trust me on this one.

[2.71828.....]

(and don't look up my stats for correct lynches.  Numbers lie!  Just because I lynch town way more frequently than I lynch scum doesn't mean anything!)

[silverspawn]

Trust me on this one.

But you're wrong.

[silverspawn]

If it's not RR, it has to be Awaclus.

[Awaclus]

Numbers lie!

You are a number. Does that mean you're lying?

[2.71828.....]

Trust me on this one.

But you're wrong.

But I am right.  Observe:

silverspawn had a very exciting D1.  So exciting that he voted for Hydrad 3 times.

First Hydrad Vote:  He accidentally votes ADK after the fruit vendor claim.  EgorK follows him on it, then he realizes his mistake and is uncomfortable with his partner voting the same as him so he swiftly votes for for his other partner, Hydrad (who EgorK does not follow onto).  But, things get a bit too exciting when Teproc votes for Hydrad, so he quickly defends Hydrad and shortly thereafter votes for RR (observe the time stamps):

vote: Hydrad

really? hasn't he only made one post?

vote: RR

In the middle of all that he gives huge town points to Teproc/Ampharos for the 'town slip' and then some sympathy town points to Awaclus.  It is good to have a few accurate reads as scum.

Second Hydrad Vote: Hydrad then makes a few bland posts all in a row ending in an Awaclus vote, which silverspawn deems enough to revote back onto Hydrad.  Again, another person (ADK) joins him voting for Hydrad, and all of a sudden Yuma makes more sense than a Hydrad vote.

silverspawn then spends a lot of time focusing on RR (so at least he is consistent) and putting up Hydrad/RR as possibilities.

well, I'm still saying Hydrad or  RR

Why Hydrad, Why RR?

RR is being ultra stubborn and anti town, and Hydrad is.... non-present as of now.

yeah, Hydrad or RR are the to-go lynches today. e is towny for this case.

Then we finally get:

Third Hydrad Vote: 

well, Hydrad is good. Even though the lack of motivation for an RR lynch makes me want to do him more

still vote: Hydrad

I think Hydrad is like hillary here. Not great, but popular, and probably the second best option.

But have no fear, it doesn't take him long to go back to who he really wants to vote.

I have trouble seeing scum!you switch from scum to town here, though. That just makes you look super bad once gkrieg gets lynched.

Can't we do sanders RR after all? For a better america lynch!

vote: RR

And then, he shows his true colors (that he has no interest whatsoever in lynching Hydrad):

vote: hydrad

err what? why hydrad?

He ignores my case on Hydrad, he also talks about getting RR to L-1 to force a claim out of him, as well as his previously being enamored with RR sharing or not sharing his QT. 

Then we have this gem from the start of D2:

yay I'm alive

now vote: faust

this is completely and uttrerly ridiculous and I refuse to believe that it comes from town!faust.

I was advocating a hydrad lynch THE ENTIRE DAY. The only reason I was not voting for him is because I liked the RR lynch a bit more. I would have lynched him without hesitation had you not done it before I came back.

Now, while I was pursuing the lynch of SCUM the entire time, FAUST was pursuing a MISYLNCH the entire time - me.

It is absolutely out of character for faust to ignore all that and simply call my positino bad because I wasn't on the final wagon. town!faust doesn't do that.

So yes, you were advocating Hydrad's lynch all day....as long as it didn't get him lynched.  I think a lot of the early votes were pressure votes to get him more involved, then the later votes were for consistency.  Also, the whole "yay I'm alive" routine is hilarious considering the ICs that existed (myself and ADK).

Had silverspawn REALLY been for a Hydrad lynch he would have at least given some thought to my case or something, but instead he doubles down on his RR tunnel. 

I mean, sure, D2 silverspawn was on the EgorK wagon.  He even put it at L-1.  Good for him.  Guess what that did?  It set him up to make this post and keep him out of the red:

Day 1 wagon: gkrieg13, chairs, faust, ADK, 2.7, RR, WW
Day 2 wagon: WW, chairs, 2.7, SS, faust, Awaclus

Based on that we have (of the players remaining in our lynchpool):

chairs, 2.7, WW
RR, silver, Awaclus
Lekkit, Ampharos

Which, I love that post.  I think it sheds some great light on who could be scum.  I also think silverspawn did a masterful D1 bussing of Hydrad, then when he despaired of EgorK he ended up putting him at L-1.  He also was very quick to accept Teproc's townslip, and just other random little things.

Anyway, I like my silverspawn vote.

[2.71828.....]

and just other random little things.

Like being on-wagon with Lekkit