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Random Stuff Part III
« on: January 07, 2016, 07:59:35 am »
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As much fun as it is to keep a long topic going, I was trying to search for a video I posted in the Random Stuff II thread, but showing all 230 pages kept choking my browser. So it's clearly gone on too far.

My random observation: When I write the date range of this work week in American format, I write it as 1/4-1/8. My mind really wants to correct the range to 1/8-1/4. It kind of drives me nuts. It'll be better when this week is over. While 1/11-1/15 would also be mathematically improper to write as a range, I don't see those fractions as often, so my brain doesn't try to fix it.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2016, 09:45:00 am »
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My random observation: When I write the date range of this work week in American format, I write it as 1/4-1/8. My mind really wants to correct the range to 1/8-1/4. It kind of drives me nuts. It'll be better when this week is over. While 1/11-1/15 would also be mathematically improper to write as a range, I don't see those fractions as often, so my brain doesn't try to fix it.

You just need to free your mind from needless orderings; 1/4 - 1/8 expresses the same range as 1/8 - 1/4. The fact that we seem to always order from lowest to highest is an arbitrary construction.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2016, 10:36:51 am »
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As much fun as it is to keep a long topic going, I was trying to search for a video I posted in the Random Stuff II thread, but showing all 230 pages kept choking my browser. So it's clearly gone on too far.

My random observation: When I write the date range of this work week in American format, I write it as 1/4-1/8. My mind really wants to correct the range to 1/8-1/4. It kind of drives me nuts. It'll be better when this week is over. While 1/11-1/15 would also be mathematically improper to write as a range, I don't see those fractions as often, so my brain doesn't try to fix it.

See, it should really be an en-dash, 1/4--1/8.  Otherwise it's indistinguishable from 1/4-1/8 = 1/8.

Also, why do you want 1/8--1/4 over 1/4--1/8?

Edit: Oh, I see, because you want [a,b] with a < b.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2016, 10:42:30 am »
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I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 10:44:17 am »
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I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.

And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony.

Really, I much prefer to say Jan 1--Jan 8.  I hate that the default of spreadsheets is to adopt an mm/dd/yy (or even dd/mm/yy) representation to display dates.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 10:46:14 am »
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I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.

And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony.

Really, I much prefer to say Jan 1--Jan 8.  I hate that the default of spreadsheets is to adopt an mm/dd/yy (or even dd/mm/yy) representation to display dates.

Personally, my preferred format is 1 Jan - 8 Jan, but people here in the United States don't really feel it. I still use it when writing checks (lol, still a thing even in 2016) and signing paperwork. I don't tend to use it otherwise.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2016, 10:48:18 am »
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I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.

And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony.

Really, I much prefer to say Jan 1--Jan 8.  I hate that the default of spreadsheets is to adopt an mm/dd/yy (or even dd/mm/yy) representation to display dates.

Personally, my preferred format is 1 Jan - 8 Jan, but people here in the United States don't really feel it. I still use it when writing checks (lol, still a thing even in 2016) and signing paperwork. I don't tend to use it otherwise.

I'm fine with either.  '8 Jan' and 'Jan 8' are equivalent for me to read, and obviously much better than '8/1' vs '1/8'.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2016, 10:56:13 am »
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I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.

And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony.

Really, I much prefer to say Jan 1--Jan 8.  I hate that the default of spreadsheets is to adopt an mm/dd/yy (or even dd/mm/yy) representation to display dates.

Personally, my preferred format is 1 Jan - 8 Jan, but people here in the United States don't really feel it. I still use it when writing checks (lol, still a thing even in 2016) and signing paperwork. I don't tend to use it otherwise.

I use the 01 Jan 2016 format for just about everything even here in the US.  Haters gonna hate, but there are only three correct date formats:

01 January 2016
01 Jan 2016, for when you don't have enough space
20160101

Unix date is "correct" but rarely actually displayed because it's only readable by the computer.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2016, 11:03:26 am »
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My favorite, usually seen on my employees request sheet, looks something like this:

M/D1-D2/Y

This was exciting to figure out during Q4 a few years ago.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2016, 11:04:24 am »
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'8 Jan' and 'Jan 8' are equivalent for me to read, and obviously much better than '8/1' vs '1/8'.

Indeed, there is no confusion whatsoever with 8 Jan or Jan 8. Well, okay, if I type Jan 16, one could misinterpret that to mean January of 2016, so it's not perfect.

Kirian's dates are unambiguous. I sign my paperwork as 7 Jan 2016. When I label folders, I will use 20160107 because an alphabetical sort is identical to a chronological sort, and that's beautiful. I wrinkle my nose when people label folders as 01072016 because all the Januarys are clumped together. Also, that can be confusing when comparing it to the European format, but Jan2016 still has the problem of clumping together when sorting alphabetically.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2016, 11:43:20 am »
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And a community of typesetters quietly screams in agony.

Serves those little bastards right for snooping in my To-Do list on OneNote. GTFO, man.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2016, 11:45:17 am »
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My hobby: eating something, then checking the expiry date, "15Jan16", and wonder how the rest of the week is going to go.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2016, 12:12:30 pm »
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Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.

But since I'm posting here, I'll mine as well ask people why showing your work with basic math (basic to you, not me) is so important.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2016, 12:35:32 pm »
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I also sometimes look at that date range and think, "Yep, the answer is 1/8."

A dash would be more appropriate, but for quick-and-dirty ranges, I just use a hyphen.

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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2016, 12:43:40 pm »
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Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.

But since I'm posting here, I'll mine as well ask people why showing your work with basic math (basic to you, not me) is so important.

1) If you're just doing maths to pass your exam, you will get marks for working even if you get the final answer wrong. For example if it's a 4 mark question, and you do everything right but accidentally do 23 x 4 = 82 in your working, you'll almost certainly get 3 marks for it. If you just wrote 82 as your final answer, you would likely get 0.

2) If you're actually doing maths IRL, it makes it less likely you'll make a mistake as you're writing numbers down as you go, and that makes it more likely you won't forget a number as you go and might spot an error you were about to make.

3) If you do actually make a mistake, and get a final answer you know is incorrect (e.g. you're calculating the chance of getting some card draw in Dominion and calculate it as a 120% chance) you can go back and look at what you've done, making it much more likely you'll spot your mistake.

That's just three reasons off the top of my head.
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2016, 12:58:52 pm »
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I have to do it just because it makes it so much easier to think when I don't have to worry about forgetting things (which is also why I always play Dominion with the VP counter).
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2016, 01:15:27 pm »
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I use Excel the same way. I build formulas through multiple simple cells before I combine them to the final format I need.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2016, 01:38:56 pm »
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Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.

According to my choked browsers, II apparently went on too far unfortunately.

I use Excel the same way. I build formulas through multiple simple cells before I combine them to the final format I need.

I do that too. It makes it a little easier to update years later. I do like to combine formulas to avoid needless calculations, but it can be tricky to decipher a really long and convoluted formula.

Although I'm not sure that combining would reduce the calculations.

If you have IF(VLOOKUP(A1,A:B, 2)=2, TRUE, FALSE) in C1, then would that save processing time compared to having VLOOKUP(A1,A:B,2) in C1 and IF(C1=2, TRUE, FALSE) in D1? It seems the same number of steps, but is there a saving when the nested function is resolved within the main function?
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2016, 02:36:57 pm »
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Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.

According to my choked browsers, II apparently went on too far unfortunately.

He just means that we don't need "Random Stuff III" because we have "KC is far more skippable than people think."
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2016, 02:45:09 pm »
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You should have called the thread Random Stuff Part IV
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Re: Random Stuff Part IV
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2016, 02:59:39 pm »
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You should have called the thread Random Stuff Part IV

Sometimes I like to change the subject in the middle of a thread and see how many people reply to it and keep the new name going. Of course, it reverts back as people reply to the original, but it'd be amusing to see an uber-post that spawns all future posts with the new subject line.

I know not of this KC thread. I honestly only come here to read the non-Dominion stuff, which is weird because I can view non-Dominion stuff literally everywhere else.

But that may explain why Random Stuff II has been quiet lately.
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Re: Random Stuff Part IV
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2016, 03:00:31 pm »
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You should have called the thread Random Stuff Part IV

Sometimes I like to change the subject in the middle of a thread and see how many people reply to it and keep the new name going. Of course, it reverts back as people reply to the original, but it'd be amusing to see an uber-post that spawns all future posts with the new subject line.

I know not of this KC thread. I honestly only come here to read the non-Dominion stuff, which is weird because I can view non-Dominion stuff literally everywhere else.

But that may explain why Random Stuff II has been quiet lately.

Ah, there's your problem right there.  You have to check the Dominion subforums to get the non-Dominion stuff.
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Re: Random Stuff Part V
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2016, 03:02:15 pm »
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You should have called the thread Random Stuff Part IV

Sometimes I like to change the subject in the middle of a thread and see how many people reply to it and keep the new name going. Of course, it reverts back as people reply to the original, but it'd be amusing to see an uber-post that spawns all future posts with the new subject line.

I know not of this KC thread. I honestly only come here to read the non-Dominion stuff, which is weird because I can view non-Dominion stuff literally everywhere else.

But that may explain why Random Stuff II has been quiet lately.
You aren't missing much. It has become a meta-discussion about how we discuss things on F.DS.
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Re: Random Stuff Part IV
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2016, 03:12:54 pm »
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I know not of this KC thread. I honestly only come here to read the non-Dominion stuff

In that case, you should check it out because it's non-Dominion stuff.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2016, 03:21:40 pm »
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Random Stuff III. We didn't need this.

According to my choked browsers, II apparently went on too far unfortunately.

I use Excel the same way. I build formulas through multiple simple cells before I combine them to the final format I need.

I do that too. It makes it a little easier to update years later. I do like to combine formulas to avoid needless calculations, but it can be tricky to decipher a really long and convoluted formula.

Although I'm not sure that combining would reduce the calculations.

If you have IF(VLOOKUP(A1,A:B, 2)=2, TRUE, FALSE) in C1, then would that save processing time compared to having VLOOKUP(A1,A:B,2) in C1 and IF(C1=2, TRUE, FALSE) in D1? It seems the same number of steps, but is there a saving when the nested function is resolved within the main function?
We didn't need part II, either.
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