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[EFHW]

I'll actually

vote: silverspawn

I just don't like lynching Awaclus. I'd ask WW to vig him, but you know.

Why don't you like lynching Awaclus? 

@Awaclus, I would like to hear what scum narrative you think fits what WW has done.

ppe: 2

[Awaclus]

Because the 'confirmed scum' thing is an obvious act, and you do it as either alignment against town all the time.

It's not an act. It's genuinely way beyond my ability to comprehend why you would do this as town and the fact that other people have done other stuff in the past that was also utterly ridiculous and then turned out to be actually town in those games doesn't change that. There's no way you would do this as town, it's very difficult to imagine scum not killing a claimed town PR for 4 days, and the fact that you're aware of how I react when players are obviously scum is even further proof that there's no way you would do this as town.

The fact that he know you'll tunnel him makes this appealing to him as scum how ?

Well, now I'm getting mislynched over it so that's pretty good for him.

[Awaclus]

@Awaclus, I would like to hear what scum narrative you think fits what WW has done.

That is super irrelevant. He can't be town and there are only two alignments in this game, therefore he must be scum.

[Teproc]

Also Awaclus : face it, just because you make grand declarations about what town wouldn't do doesn't make them true. THe fact that you've been wrong about this in the past IS relevant. This is not an exact science.

@EFHW : Because we do it all the time. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It's a crapshoot. I feel more confident about silver because he should ahve made himself obtown somewhere along the way here, and he hasn't.

[Witherweaver]

Because the 'confirmed scum' thing is an obvious act, and you do it as either alignment against town all the time.

It's not an act. It's genuinely way beyond my ability to comprehend why you would do this as town and the fact that other people have done other stuff in the past that was also utterly ridiculous and then turned out to be actually town in those games doesn't change that. There's no way you would do this as town, it's very difficult to imagine scum not killing a claimed town PR for 4 days, and the fact that you're aware of how I react when players are obviously scum is even further proof that there's no way you would do this as town.

The fact that he know you'll tunnel him makes this appealing to him as scum how ?

Well, now I'm getting mislynched over it so that's pretty good for him.

You were the leading lynch with Egor before all this happened.

[Teproc]

@Awaclus, I would like to hear what scum narrative you think fits what WW has done.

That is super irrelevant. He can't be town and there are only two alignments in this game, therefore he must be scum.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

Both are unlikely, that much is obvious. The question is which one is the unlikeliest. You don't get to go "well the town:narrative is unlikely, so we're done here", because if you do the same thing by starting with the scum!narrative, then WW is obvtown ! It's nonsensical.

[Witherweaver]

Teproc, why do you think RR is town?  Do you agree with what I said before?

[Teproc]

I mean you may not agree that it's unlikely for scum!WW to do this, in which case you're wrong but fine. But pretending like the scum!narrative is irrelevant because the town!narrative is unlikely is you not trying. It's not you being down-to-earth or Occam's Razor or whatever it is you think you're doing better than everyone else, it's just being lazy.

[EFHW]

Also Awaclus : face it, just because you make grand declarations about what town wouldn't do doesn't make them true. THe fact that you've been wrong about this in the past IS relevant. This is not an exact science.

@EFHW : Because we do it all the time. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It's a crapshoot. I feel more confident about silver because he should ahve made himself obtown somewhere along the way here, and he hasn't.

it just sounds like silver has some irl stress going on.  And I don't go along with "WW can't be town".  Of course he can.  He didn't think it through.  So it's anti-town.  But I don't see how scum benefit.  And if Awaclus gets lynched, that's not b/c of anything WW did.

[EFHW]

I don't have a town read on RR.

[Teproc]

Teproc, why do you think RR is town?  Do you agree with what I said before?

I think scum!RR would have been paralyzed by the XP/ash situation and wouldn't have dared to vote, basically. His reaction to the Hydrad mislynch read also very genuine to me. Thinking you're going to get lynched for getting it wrong is a typical town reaction.

[Witherweaver]

Thinking it through would have just given me a bunch of reasons not to do it~

[Witherweaver]

Teproc, why do you think RR is town?  Do you agree with what I said before?

I think scum!RR would have been paralyzed by the XP/ash situation and wouldn't have dared to vote, basically. His reaction to the Hydrad mislynch read also very genuine to me. Thinking you're going to get lynched for getting it wrong is a typical town reaction.

I thought RR did wait quite a while to vote, until Ash seemed like it could actually happen.

[Awaclus]

Also Awaclus : face it, just because you make grand declarations about what town wouldn't do doesn't make them true. THe fact that you've been wrong about this in the past IS relevant. This is not an exact science.

Oh yeah, I guess I should just vote randomly then instead of actually trying to find scum.

You were the leading lynch with Egor before all this happened.

Egor was the leading lynch, not me.

I mean you may not agree that it's unlikely for scum!WW to do this, in which case you're wrong but fine. But pretending like the scum!narrative is irrelevant because the town!narrative is unlikely is you not trying. It's not you being down-to-earth or Occam's Razor or whatever it is you think you're doing better than everyone else, it's just being lazy.

A scum narrative is inherently likely when a town narrative is not.

[Teproc]

Thinking it through would have just given me a bunch of reasons not to do it~

Funny how that works out.

PPE : You're right, but basically the ash vote is the only thing he's done that could make me think he's scum, and I'm not that convinced about it either. Everything else has been townie.

PPE2 : No but you should reconsider what you think to be obvious when it turns out to be wrong. And that second thing is only true if you're very confident about your initial analysis, so much so that you don't take the time to double-check by looking at the other narrative.

Basically you act as if verything was pretty simple and clear-cut, when you have been proven wrong so, so many times.

[Witherweaver]

Also Awaclus : face it, just because you make grand declarations about what town wouldn't do doesn't make them true. THe fact that you've been wrong about this in the past IS relevant. This is not an exact science.

Oh yeah, I guess I should just vote randomly then instead of actually trying to find scum.

You were the leading lynch with Egor before all this happened.

Egor was the leading lynch, not me.

I mean you may not agree that it's unlikely for scum!WW to do this, in which case you're wrong but fine. But pretending like the scum!narrative is irrelevant because the town!narrative is unlikely is you not trying. It's not you being down-to-earth or Occam's Razor or whatever it is you think you're doing better than everyone else, it's just being lazy.

A scum narrative is inherently likely when a town narrative is not.

You're not trying to find scum.

You and Egor were both at L-2.

The last statement makes me wonder if you ever actually believe the things you say.

[Roadrunner7671]

Unvote
Awaclus is scummy now. Not to the point where I'd start a wagon on him, but anti-town play is...you know, anti town. Why do we think SS is scum here? Cause he's quiet?

[yuma]

Vote Count 4.4

EgorK: (1) ss
Awaclus: (2) EgorK, EFHW (L-2)
WW: (1) Awaclus
ss: (1) Teproc

Not Voting: (2) WW, RR


With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day4 will last 7 days and will end January 26 at 1:00 pm forum time.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh, wait, I don't need to start a wagon. Now let's think about putting him at L-1. It seems lackluster though.

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't have a town read on RR.

I do.

[Witherweaver]

Unvote
Awaclus is scummy now. Not to the point where I'd start a wagon on him, but anti-town play is...you know, anti town. Why do we think SS is scum here? Cause he's quiet?

SS was on the Ash wagon, too.

[Witherweaver]

And with no content:

vote: ashersky

And after XP posted.

[Witherweaver]

Final Day2 Vote Count

XP (3): EgorK, gkrieg, ADK
ashersky (6): Teproc, XP, ss, Awaclus, RR, ashersky

Not Voting (2): WW, EFHW

With 11 alive it took 6 to lynch.

ashersky has been lynched. He was a Town Rolecop.

Night2 will last for 48 hours. Night actions are due in 36 hours.

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Here was the Ash lynch.  Only possible scum off wagon were Egor and EFHW (you guys can consider me).

That's interesting, actually.. would all scum jump on Ash with XP?

[Roadrunner7671]

And with no content:

vote: ashersky

And after XP posted.

Oh, snap. So now I have like null reads everywhere:

Towny-Null
Teproc
Egor


Null-Null:
EFHW
SS

Scummy-Null
Awaclus
WW

[Teproc]

Entirely possible.

If anyone is scum among those three, it's you by the way. I think.