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[Teproc]

faust, I am curious about two things though, while we're waiting for other people to weigh in.

a) Why claim now ? Presumably you were intending on doing a CJM*, and the wagon on you made you claim, but you were only at L-2 after all.

b) Before you even mentioned or interacted with WW on day 2, you commented on yuma, on people voting for you and more importantly, you said that figuring out e's alignment was "the most important thing today". Have a comment on that ?

*CJM => Chocolate Jimmmm Maneuver. It's where you withold a scum result to try and lynch the guy without having to claim.

[Roadrunner7671]

I think WW should claim first.

[Witherweaver]

You think wrongly!

Not even a "He chose... poorly" gif ? I'm disappointed WW.

I feel like I already did that this game.

[Witherweaver]

I guess it's no use stretching this out. I have a result on WW that incriminates him. I think the best course of action would be for him to full claim, and then I state in detail what I know, but given people's reads on me, I don't know if you want to go through with a plan I proposed.

Nope.  You're claiming first.

I suppose town will have to decide. I'm not sure either way yet, I'll get back to you.

Well, uh, WW seems pretty clear-cut about this. I'm not sure he will listen to majority opinion.

Well, if we get a majority that wants him to claim first, and he doesn't, we can lynch, and gain a ton of info from it.  A LOT.

Still not sure how I want to vote though.

PPE Teproc types fast.

I can tell you what the info will be right now.  You'll see that I'm town and I'm a OH WAIT YOU ALMOST GO ME THERE.

Regardless of what my role is, will it make you lynch Faust tomorrow?

[faust]

faust, I am curious about two things though, while we're waiting for other people to weigh in.

a) Why claim now ? Presumably you were intending on doing a CJM*, and the wagon on you made you claim, but you were only at L-2 after all.

b) Before you even mentioned or interacted with WW on day 2, you commented on yuma, on people voting for you and more importantly, you said that figuring out e's alignment was "the most important thing today". Have a comment on that ?

*CJM => Chocolate Jimmmm Maneuver. It's where you withold a scum result to try and lynch the guy without having to claim.

These are reasonable questions.

a) Correct, I wanted to get some more information in. But I also didn't want town to see my claim at L-1 and go all "well, that's simply scum trying to buy another day". Also WW moved his vote to me, which meant that I was probably going to have a hard time getting him to vote elsewhere or take additional stances.

b) Well, yes. I do think it's important to figure out e's alignment. I was hoping that WW would take a stance on the issue. I did not want scum to catch onto anything, so I didn't start right out with WW. I did place my first vote on him (and without a real reason too) to indicate my result, which I hoped would be subtle enough.

[faust]

But really, going by WW's reaction, I'm not convinced we need any claims.

[Witherweaver]

So that's why you made up an a posteriori reasoning?

[Witherweaver]

But really, going by WW's reaction, I'm not convinced we need any claims.

"This is the mislynch I'm happy pushing."

[Teproc]

@WW : To be clear, lynching you without having you claim is not a desireable option, because if yo flip some town PR, faust can make up whatever he wants to go with that. But you know that, and because your interest is for town to win the game, you won't let that happen, and you'll claim. It sucks for you (assuming there is a consensus against you), but I don't see a better way to resolve this.

[Witherweaver]

@WW : To be clear, lynching you without having you claim is not a desireable option, because if yo flip some town PR, faust can make up whatever he wants to go with that. But you know that, and because your interest is for town to win the game, you won't let that happen, and you'll claim. It sucks for you (assuming there is a consensus against you), but I don't see a better way to resolve this.

It's trivial.  Faust is either

1) Going to claim
2) Going to drop this if he's actually town and thinks it's important for him to not claim.

The second point meaning, I support this in the case that he actually is town.

[Teproc]

I really need yuma to weigh in on this, I'm not good with this stuff.

[Teproc]

I don't see in which scenario town!faust "drops this". If you're town with an incriminating result (even one that presumably leaves room for doubt), I don't see why you would.

[Roadrunner7671]

I really need yuma to weigh in on this, I'm not good with this stuff.

Me neither!

But WW is obviously a PR, as claiming VT wouldn't be a huge deal. So he will mine as well claim, as he's probably dead already.
Ppe

[Witherweaver]

I really need yuma to weigh in on this, I'm not good with this stuff.

Me neither!

But WW is obviously a PR, as claiming VT wouldn't be a huge deal. So he will mine as well claim, as he's probably dead already.
Ppe

I don't think you're using the word "obviously" correctly.

[Teproc]

Have we ever tried the "both claim at the same time" solution ? Obviously it can't be literally at thesame time, but if we set a time and say within 5 seconds, has that been done ?

[Roadrunner7671]

I really need yuma to weigh in on this, I'm not good with this stuff.

Me neither!

But WW is obviously a PR, as claiming VT wouldn't be a huge deal. So he will mine as well claim, as he's probably dead already.
Ppe

I don't think you're using the word "obviously" correctly.

If you were a VT and you refuse to claim, no offense, but that's pretty stubborn and anti-town.

[Witherweaver]

I really need yuma to weigh in on this, I'm not good with this stuff.

Me neither!

But WW is obviously a PR, as claiming VT wouldn't be a huge deal. So he will mine as well claim, as he's probably dead already.
Ppe

I don't think you're using the word "obviously" correctly.

If you were a VT and you refuse to claim, no offense, but that's pretty stubborn and anti-town.

You have much yet to learn, young padawan.

[Roadrunner7671]

I may be a padawan, but unless you claim, I will be forced to take over your duties after your demise.

[Teproc]

Maybe we can compromise. Flavor matters in this game. Maybe we can do something like :
- X claims his flavor
- Y claims his flavor, role and night action
- X claims his role and night action

With X being the towniest player. That way X can't completely invent whatever he wants based what Y says.

[faust]

Have we ever tried the "both claim at the same time" solution ? Obviously it can't be literally at thesame time, but if we set a time and say within 5 seconds, has that been done ?

That's an interesting approach; I don't think it has been taken before. I would be fine with it.

[Haddock]

Maybe we can compromise. Flavor matters in this game. Maybe we can do something like :
- X claims his flavor
- Y claims his flavor, role and night action
- X claims his role and night action

With X being the towniest player. That way X can't completely invent whatever he wants based what Y says.

I like this.
We can interweave as much as we like, I guess,  as in potentially flavor, flavor role, role night action, night action.

Unless someone gives me compelling other reasons I see no reason to lynch anyone except WW or faust today,  so unvote. Wagon analysis upcoming, obviously with focus on faust and WW.

[Haddock]

Have we ever tried the "both claim at the same time" solution ? Obviously it can't be literally at thesame time, but if we set a time and say within 5 seconds, has that been done ?

That's an interesting approach; I don't think it has been taken before. I would be fine with it.

Ooh I like this more.

[Witherweaver]

Maybe we can compromise. Flavor matters in this game. Maybe we can do something like :
- X claims his flavor
- Y claims his flavor, role and night action
- X claims his role and night action

With X being the towniest player. That way X can't completely invent whatever he wants based what Y says.

I have breadcrumbed my flavor.

[Haddock]

Awa votes, all d1:

Igu votes jokingly, then moves off to amph.

Ss votes and then goes off all over the place shortly after.

WW votes, on the back of nothing.
Then e, says awa is taking advantage of the yuma situation.

Then a massive break.

Then WW moves to amph and e follows.

A little later,
WW goes back on awa, then to amph again.

Then yuma hops on, claiming omgus but moves immediately to egor.

Then the main wagon.
Faust, then WW, igu, e, WW again. WW again.

Big gap, then me-RR-yuma.


Well if its a who looks scummiest based on awas lynch competition,  WW beats faust hands down if you ask me.
 The following of WW by e is weird too. Scumbuddying?

I dont think WW ever explained his awa vote, but he falls back on awa constantly, all day. It looks crazy suspicious to me. Maybe too much so? I dunno.

Anywhere there it is for people to reference.

Maybe we can compromise. Flavor matters in this game. Maybe we can do something like :
- X claims his flavor
- Y claims his flavor, role and night action
- X claims his role and night action

With X being the towniest player. That way X can't completely invent whatever he wants based what Y says.

I have breadcrumbed my flavor.

This I will be looking at now.

[Teproc]

Maybe we can compromise. Flavor matters in this game. Maybe we can do something like :
- X claims his flavor
- Y claims his flavor, role and night action
- X claims his role and night action

With X being the towniest player. That way X can't completely invent whatever he wants based what Y says.

I have breadcrumbed my flavor.

I think I see it. Interesting. Hmm.

What do you think of my suggestions for alternative ways of handling this ?