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[yuma]

also major cop-out... way not to take a stance or get in a position where some one might get something out of you.

It's not not taking a stance, it's taking the stance that all of the cases against people are super disappointing.

you really think you have a strong town narrative here?

Yes.

then make a super-duper, terrifa-stupendous case yourself...

well it isn't. it isn't strong and i for one have no idea if it is town, so obviously it isn't working for me.

is the problem with me then? am i broken?

[Awaclus]

then make a super-duper, terrifa-stupendous case yourself...

There are none to be made.

well it isn't. it isn't strong and i for one have no idea if it is town, so obviously it isn't working for me.

is the problem with me then? am i broken?

At least it's working for faust.

[yuma]

then make a super-duper, terrifa-stupendous case yourself...

There are none to be made.

oh... ok!!! vote: no lynch

awaclus is a mafia god obviously. he just says he is town, so obviously he is, says there is no case worth voting for, so might as well move onto the next day... where the cases will be just as bad and awaclus will still be town just cause he says he is...

{something snappy and mean that i deleted before posting, but am leaving this part to signify that i am highly irritated and taking a break for a while... breathe in... breathe out...}

[Witherweaver]

"Town narrative" is such a fake BS phrase and it should no longer be used.

[Witherweaver]

then make a super-duper, terrifa-stupendous case yourself...

There are none to be made.

oh... ok!!! vote: no lynch

awaclus is a mafia god obviously. he just says he is town, so obviously he is, says there is no case worth voting for, so might as well move onto the next day... where the cases will be just as bad and awaclus will still be town just cause he says he is...

{something snappy and mean that i deleted before posting, but am leaving this part to signify that i am highly irritated and taking a break for a while... breathe in... breathe out...}

Keep Calm and Lynch Awaclus

[Awaclus]

"Town narrative" is such a fake BS phrase and it should no longer be used.

Yeah, we should start lynching people randomly then, instead of trying to figure out who is town and who isn't.

Keep Calm and Lynch Awaclus

Oh, you're already doing that, it seems.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.6

Awaclus (1): Witherweaver
pingpongsam (3): Twistedarcher, ashersky, chairs
Twistedarcher (2): Hydrad, faust
UmbrageOfSnow (1): Awaclus
Hydrad (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (3): UmbrageOfSnow, Jimmmmm, pingpongsam

No-Lynch (1): yuma

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Sep 21, 03 PM forum time Forum Time. That is in 3 days and 23+ hours.

[ashersky]

Feels like PPS, TA, and Awaclus are the front runners right now.

[yuma]

ok let me come at this from some different angles....

awaclus: who in your opinion thus far in the game has, as you put it, shown a town narrative for their game play?

Once you get to that point how do you distinguish who is the best person to lynch from those leftover? Have you done that?

Do you understand why some of us might be frustrated with your style at times or do you think we are all just playing the game subparly?

Do you have any games where you have used this method with success that you could share with me? (this last one is only if you have time, don't go above and beyond out of your way if you feel this request would be a burden...)

[yuma]

Feels like PPS, TA, and Awaclus are the front runners right now.

swap TA with hydrad and you have my preferred top three

[Witherweaver]

"Town narrative" is such a fake BS phrase and it should no longer be used.

Yeah, we should start lynching people randomly then, instead of trying to figure out who is town and who isn't.

That would be way more helpful from you.  I hope your RNG lands on "Awaclus".

[chairs]

I'm... actually leaning TA right now as my second choice.

[Awaclus]

awaclus: who in your opinion thus far in the game has, as you put it, shown a town narrative for their game play?

Ashersky, faust, TA, gkrieg, you.

Once you get to that point how do you distinguish who is the best person to lynch from those leftover? Have you done that?

There seems to be a misconception here — I don't have town reads on people until I can PoE from there, I mostly just read someone, see that the town narrative is missing, and conclude that he's a good lynch. And even though I've read people, there isn't a particularly good case of a missing town narrative for anyone.

Do you understand why some of us might be frustrated with your style at times or do you think we are all just playing the game subparly?

Well, we're probably all just playing the game subparly. I don't understand why some of you are frustrated with my style.

Do you have any games where you have used this method with success that you could share with me? (this last one is only if you have time, don't go above and beyond out of your way if you feel this request would be a burden...)

Here's the best example: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13318.0

[Twistedarcher]

The amount of people willing to lynch both me and PPS is giving me alarm bells.

[yuma]

Here's the best example: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13318.0

Thanks for this and the other answers... I will definitely read this over in the next few days. And looking at it I see that it is a rendition of Traitor8! Hadn't realized you guys had run another version of that since Silo Mafia...! So kinda excited to read in fact...

[yuma]

The amount of people willing to lynch both me and PPS is giving me alarm bells.

who are they? chairs I can see. hydrad? ashersky? WW?

Not me (I don't want to lynch you) not faust (he doesn't want to lynch PPS) not awaclus (he has a town narrative on you)

do you feel like it is setting up for a lynch of you today followed by a potential mislynch tomorrow? (or vice versa?)

[ashersky]

The amount of people willing to lynch both me and PPS is giving me alarm bells.

I mean, willing to lynch and wanting to lynch aren't always the same thing.

[yuma]

so i am doing what i said and reading dwarf mafia and while i am only in the midst of day1 i am already seeing something... not what awaclus perhaps wants me to see (his town narrative thing working...) but i am seeing a different awaclus.

he is still frustrating people, but there he was being far more vocal, giving defenses, pointing out people not living up to the town narrative and voting! (even when he says "nothing is going on" in that game he found some things to talk about.

here he says there isn't anything to see non-town narratives, which obviously isn't true...

i think awaclus can't find anyone breaking town narratives because he 1. knows everyone is town and therefore can't actually be breaking town narratives except for 2. his scum buddies, who he isn't calling out because it is too early in the game for that.

people have said that this awaclus looks like any other awaclus but i think they may be just looking surface deep. anyone who still feels that way now i would ask to go deeper (beyond the frustration level) and see if you still feel that way.

vote: awaclus

[Twistedarcher]

Hey Yuma, you've said before you hate meta arguments. This is #2 this game. What's up? Is this game unique or has your viewpoint changed?

[yuma]

Hey Yuma, you've said before you hate meta arguments. This is #2 this game. What's up? Is this game unique or has your viewpoint changed?

I hate certain type of meta arguments... specifically ones that have to do with emotional reactions.

And I would say that I hate cases that rely solely on meta. The two that have caught my eye today aren't based on meta but are based on things i feel are scummy ("me" focused and scummylurking) that have been backed up by meta analysis, which i feel i have often done in the past

[Awaclus]

so i am doing what i said and reading dwarf mafia and while i am only in the midst of day1 i am already seeing something... not what awaclus perhaps wants me to see (his town narrative thing working...) but i am seeing a different awaclus.

Yeah, you were seeing a NEET Awaclus as opposed to the university student Awaclus you're seeing now.

[yuma]

so i am doing what i said and reading dwarf mafia and while i am only in the midst of day1 i am already seeing something... not what awaclus perhaps wants me to see (his town narrative thing working...) but i am seeing a different awaclus.

Yeah, you were seeing a NEET Awaclus as opposed to the university student Awaclus you're seeing now.

that very well could be and i don't want to criticize your or anyone else's involvement. but i will say that apart from activity the quality of your posts are different. you are still posting here... on a regular basis but nearly all posts are lacking in substance where in that game it was far for of a mix.

i think you have been active enough here to have put forward more than you have and less than i would have expected from that game.

[faust]

Feels like PPS, TA, and Awaclus are the front runners right now.

swap TA with hydrad and you have my preferred top three

Why do you think the points I made for Hydrad being town are invalid?

[faust]

The amount of people willing to lynch both me and PPS is giving me alarm bells.

I would feel the same thing if I were you and PPS was my scum partner 

[faust]

The amount of people willing to lynch both me and PPS is giving me alarm bells.

who are they? chairs I can see. hydrad? ashersky? WW?

Not me (I don't want to lynch you) not faust (he doesn't want to lynch PPS) not awaclus (he has a town narrative on you)

do you feel like it is setting up for a lynch of you today followed by a potential mislynch tomorrow? (or vice versa?)

I wouldn't say I do not want to lynch PPS. I would lynch him, but there are better targets.