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[Witherweaver]

Okay? It still looks bad for TA. He either is scum for burning metal, or the low odds of SS using his ability on TA happens. I don't know if I'm using the phrase correctly, but Occham's Razor comes to my mind.

I don't think SS's ability is targeted.  Both EFHW and TA showed as burning the metal.

[Seprix]

So when SS uses his ability, everyone is affected?

[Witherweaver]

So when SS uses his ability, everyone is affected?

I think it's a modified version of this:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lightning_Rod

[Seprix]

If that's true, then perhaps no one is clean now. So now I'm a suspect again, along with everyone else Gkraig checked. Hrmm..

[Witherweaver]

If that's true, then perhaps no one is clean now. So now I'm a suspect again, along with everyone else Gkraig checked. Hrmm..

If Gkreig is telling the truth, and my guess is correct, then Silver could have only used it Night 3, else he would have gotten the same result every night.

[gkrieg13]

Nevertheless, TA claimed to not take an action and then claimed to take an action.

This is the most incriminating evidence. 

[gkrieg13]

What would be the plus of a town lightning rod?

[gkrieg13]

If that's true, then perhaps no one is clean now. So now I'm a suspect again, along with everyone else Gkraig checked. Hrmm..

If Gkreig is telling the truth, and my guess is correct, then Silver could have only used it Night 3, else he would have gotten the same result every night.

This is my guess as well.  I also investigated ss on the first night and got no metals detected, meaning he didn't use it the first night.  Also if he had used it the first night, he would have died in place of Faust.

[gkrieg13]

Okay? It still looks bad for TA. He either is scum for burning metal, or the low odds of SS using his ability on TA happens. I don't know if I'm using the phrase correctly, but Occham's Razor comes to my mind.

I don't think SS's ability is targeted.  Both EFHW and TA showed as burning the metal.

If TA were scum, he could have burned iron to protect EFHW while she committed a kill.

[gkrieg13]

Okay? It still looks bad for TA. He either is scum for burning metal, or the low odds of SS using his ability on TA happens. I don't know if I'm using the phrase correctly, but Occham's Razor comes to my mind.

I don't think SS's ability is targeted.  Both EFHW and TA showed as burning the metal.

If TA were scum, he could have burned iron to protect EFHW while she committed a kill.

And by protect, I mean redirect investigation.

[Witherweaver]

What would be the plus of a town lightning rod?

Well, he could redirect both kill and protection, resulting in no night kill.  Notably, Silver wasn't killed by a coin; it's possible he redirected a coin kill and a protection against coin kills (Chairs seems to be suggesting that). 

[gkrieg13]

What would be the plus of a town lightning rod?

Well, he could redirect both kill and protection, resulting in no night kill.  Notably, Silver wasn't killed by a coin; it's possible he redirected a coin kill and a protection against coin kills (Chairs seems to be suggesting that).

Oh that makes sense.  The redirect would only work for metals burning though.  So he died from a different kind of kill.  Got it.

[gkrieg13]

So WW, do you think we have a third scum and a third party ruin? 

[Witherweaver]

We have two types of kills, apparently affected differently by roles, so two killing factions makes sense.  You claiming to kill EFHW with a coin but not Faust is suspicious.  Honestly, you're the best candidate for Ruin.

Scum!TA could easily be telling the truth about his role. 

[gkrieg13]

We have two types of kills, apparently affected differently by roles, so two killing factions makes sense.  You claiming to kill EFHW with a coin but not Faust is suspicious.  Honestly, you're the best candidate for Ruin.

Scum!TA could easily be telling the truth about his role.

How could I be lying at this point, XP said that his lover was survivor-aligned, and no one else has counterclaimed me. 

I can see TA or Hydrad lying.  I also think one of the VTs aren't a VT.  I'm leaning hockey at this point.

[Twistedarcher]

Yeah I absolutely trust gkrieg at this point, and therefore Ichi.

I don't know what to say about why I claimed I had no night action N3 -- I was out and typing on mobile and really don't know the thought process I said. It's possible I meant I didn't burn metal (because I didn't), but I really don't have a defense for it at this point honestly.

[gkrieg13]

Yeah I absolutely trust gkrieg at this point, and therefore Ichi.

I don't know what to say about why I claimed I had no night action N3 -- I was out and typing on mobile and really don't know the thought process I said. It's possible I meant I didn't burn metal (because I didn't), but I really don't have a defense for it at this point honestly.

The only reason why I don't believe you is because you used the argument of not taking an action to put me at L-1.  That seems super scummy to me.

[chairs]

I absolutely think gkrieg is IC and find everyone pushing his wagon scummy.

vote: ww I think.

[Witherweaver]

We have two types of kills, apparently affected differently by roles, so two killing factions makes sense.  You claiming to kill EFHW with a coin but not Faust is suspicious.  Honestly, you're the best candidate for Ruin.

Scum!TA could easily be telling the truth about his role.

How could I be lying at this point, XP said that his lover was survivor-aligned, and no one else has counterclaimed me. 

I can see TA or Hydrad lying.  I also think one of the VTs aren't a VT.  I'm leaning hockey at this point.

Hmm.. I guess that's true. 

[Witherweaver]

I absolutely think gkrieg is IC and find everyone pushing his wagon scummy.

vote: ww I think.

He doesn't have a wagon.

[hockeysemlan]

I think I want to

vote: TA

A lie is a lie.

But gosh. It is a tough decision today.

[hockeysemlan]

L-1

[gkrieg13]

So if TA is telling the truth, do you guys think it will be hard to kill ruin without TA?  Also TA, what is your wincon?

[gkrieg13]

I think I want to

vote: TA

A lie is a lie.

But gosh. It is a tough decision today.

Why switch from Hydrad?  It is clear that he is also lying.  His role would have no benefit

[gkrieg13]

So we still have mail-mi, TA, and IG not voting.  And considering IG is IC, he should probably get on that.