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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1600 on: August 04, 2015, 11:02:14 am »

Okay? It still looks bad for TA. He either is scum for burning metal, or the low odds of SS using his ability on TA happens. I don't know if I'm using the phrase correctly, but Occham's Razor comes to my mind.

I don't think SS's ability is targeted.  Both EFHW and TA showed as burning the metal.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1601 on: August 04, 2015, 11:03:38 am »

So when SS uses his ability, everyone is affected?
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1602 on: August 04, 2015, 11:04:11 am »

So when SS uses his ability, everyone is affected?

I think it's a modified version of this:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lightning_Rod
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1603 on: August 04, 2015, 11:13:49 am »

If that's true, then perhaps no one is clean now. So now I'm a suspect again, along with everyone else Gkraig checked. Hrmm..
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1604 on: August 04, 2015, 11:19:23 am »

If that's true, then perhaps no one is clean now. So now I'm a suspect again, along with everyone else Gkraig checked. Hrmm..

If Gkreig is telling the truth, and my guess is correct, then Silver could have only used it Night 3, else he would have gotten the same result every night.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1605 on: August 04, 2015, 11:32:54 am »

Nevertheless, TA claimed to not take an action and then claimed to take an action.

This is the most incriminating evidence. 
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1606 on: August 04, 2015, 11:34:30 am »

What would be the plus of a town lightning rod?
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1607 on: August 04, 2015, 11:36:49 am »

If that's true, then perhaps no one is clean now. So now I'm a suspect again, along with everyone else Gkraig checked. Hrmm..

If Gkreig is telling the truth, and my guess is correct, then Silver could have only used it Night 3, else he would have gotten the same result every night.

This is my guess as well.  I also investigated ss on the first night and got no metals detected, meaning he didn't use it the first night.  Also if he had used it the first night, he would have died in place of Faust.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1608 on: August 04, 2015, 11:37:56 am »

Okay? It still looks bad for TA. He either is scum for burning metal, or the low odds of SS using his ability on TA happens. I don't know if I'm using the phrase correctly, but Occham's Razor comes to my mind.

I don't think SS's ability is targeted.  Both EFHW and TA showed as burning the metal.

If TA were scum, he could have burned iron to protect EFHW while she committed a kill.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1609 on: August 04, 2015, 11:38:20 am »

Okay? It still looks bad for TA. He either is scum for burning metal, or the low odds of SS using his ability on TA happens. I don't know if I'm using the phrase correctly, but Occham's Razor comes to my mind.

I don't think SS's ability is targeted.  Both EFHW and TA showed as burning the metal.

If TA were scum, he could have burned iron to protect EFHW while she committed a kill.
And by protect, I mean redirect investigation.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1610 on: August 04, 2015, 11:40:29 am »

What would be the plus of a town lightning rod?

Well, he could redirect both kill and protection, resulting in no night kill.  Notably, Silver wasn't killed by a coin; it's possible he redirected a coin kill and a protection against coin kills (Chairs seems to be suggesting that). 
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1611 on: August 04, 2015, 11:42:36 am »

What would be the plus of a town lightning rod?

Well, he could redirect both kill and protection, resulting in no night kill.  Notably, Silver wasn't killed by a coin; it's possible he redirected a coin kill and a protection against coin kills (Chairs seems to be suggesting that).
Oh that makes sense.  The redirect would only work for metals burning though.  So he died from a different kind of kill.  Got it.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1612 on: August 04, 2015, 11:46:18 am »

So WW, do you think we have a third scum and a third party ruin? 
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1613 on: August 04, 2015, 11:50:49 am »

We have two types of kills, apparently affected differently by roles, so two killing factions makes sense.  You claiming to kill EFHW with a coin but not Faust is suspicious.  Honestly, you're the best candidate for Ruin.

Scum!TA could easily be telling the truth about his role. 
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1614 on: August 04, 2015, 12:21:00 pm »

We have two types of kills, apparently affected differently by roles, so two killing factions makes sense.  You claiming to kill EFHW with a coin but not Faust is suspicious.  Honestly, you're the best candidate for Ruin.

Scum!TA could easily be telling the truth about his role.
How could I be lying at this point, XP said that his lover was survivor-aligned, and no one else has counterclaimed me. 

I can see TA or Hydrad lying.  I also think one of the VTs aren't a VT.  I'm leaning hockey at this point.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1615 on: August 04, 2015, 12:31:41 pm »

Yeah I absolutely trust gkrieg at this point, and therefore Ichi.

I don't know what to say about why I claimed I had no night action N3 -- I was out and typing on mobile and really don't know the thought process I said. It's possible I meant I didn't burn metal (because I didn't), but I really don't have a defense for it at this point honestly.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1616 on: August 04, 2015, 12:41:54 pm »

Yeah I absolutely trust gkrieg at this point, and therefore Ichi.

I don't know what to say about why I claimed I had no night action N3 -- I was out and typing on mobile and really don't know the thought process I said. It's possible I meant I didn't burn metal (because I didn't), but I really don't have a defense for it at this point honestly.

The only reason why I don't believe you is because you used the argument of not taking an action to put me at L-1.  That seems super scummy to me.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1617 on: August 04, 2015, 01:20:32 pm »

I absolutely think gkrieg is IC and find everyone pushing his wagon scummy.

vote: ww I think.

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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1618 on: August 04, 2015, 01:21:22 pm »

We have two types of kills, apparently affected differently by roles, so two killing factions makes sense.  You claiming to kill EFHW with a coin but not Faust is suspicious.  Honestly, you're the best candidate for Ruin.

Scum!TA could easily be telling the truth about his role.
How could I be lying at this point, XP said that his lover was survivor-aligned, and no one else has counterclaimed me. 

I can see TA or Hydrad lying.  I also think one of the VTs aren't a VT.  I'm leaning hockey at this point.

Hmm.. I guess that's true. 
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1619 on: August 04, 2015, 01:22:02 pm »

I absolutely think gkrieg is IC and find everyone pushing his wagon scummy.

vote: ww I think.

He doesn't have a wagon.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1620 on: August 04, 2015, 01:30:44 pm »

I think I want to

vote: TA

A lie is a lie.

But gosh. It is a tough decision today.
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1621 on: August 04, 2015, 01:32:00 pm »

L-1
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1622 on: August 04, 2015, 01:35:25 pm »

So if TA is telling the truth, do you guys think it will be hard to kill ruin without TA?  Also TA, what is your wincon?
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1623 on: August 04, 2015, 02:04:00 pm »

I think I want to

vote: TA

A lie is a lie.

But gosh. It is a tough decision today.

Why switch from Hydrad?  It is clear that he is also lying.  His role would have no benefit
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Re: RMM26: Mistborn Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1624 on: August 04, 2015, 02:05:21 pm »

So we still have mail-mi, TA, and IG not voting.  And considering IG is IC, he should probably get on that.
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