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[ashersky]

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[ashersky]

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Seprix (2): 2.7, EFHW
gkrieg13 (1): Ghacob
mail-mi (1): gkrieg13
2.7 (7): silverspawn, mail-mi, Hydrad, TwistedArcher, Seprix, hockeysemlan

Not Voting (3): witherweaver, IG, chairs

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

[ashersky]

flavor later...

2.7, the Lord Ruler's Anger, has been lynched.

Night 3 has begun.  24 hours for actions.

[ashersky]

The moon was pale tonight, but finally, something to watch.  But still, the struggle is mighty and strong...

Will this ragtag be heroes after all?

silverspawn, the Survivor's Lurcher, was killed in the night.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 4.0:

Not Voting (11): witherweaver, IG, chairs, EFHW, Ghacob, gkrieg13, mail-mi, Hydrad, TA, Seprix, hockeysemlan

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 4 ends on August 1 at 1:00 p.m.

[Ghacob]

Well I sure feel like an idiot.
The worst part is is that I Still don't understand what made e scummy
Regardless, it's definitely reread time for me

[hockeysemlan]

Well I sure feel like an idiot.
The worst part is is that I Still don't understand what made e scummy
Regardless, it's definitely reread time for me

You're not an idiot.

You're scum.

Vote: Ghacob

[Ichimaru Gin]

Yeah. Why were you voting gkrieg again? He didn't seem scummy to me at all.

[Witherweaver]

I'm going to try to catch up and get back in this.  I didn't fully read Days 2 and 3.

[Seprix]

Anyone who tried to defend e after it looked possible is now potential scum. Who that is, I don't know. But I am discrediting D1 since e looked like a shoe-in. Anyone who bashed e D1 at one point and then had a change of heart D2 is what we are looking for.

[gkrieg13]

Yay we got scum!  How big do we think the scum team is?  This is not just curiosity.

[Seprix]

Yay we got scum!  How big do we think the scum team is?  This is not just curiosity.

I would think 3, but 4 is possible.

[mail-mi]

vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.

[Seprix]

Also, is no one going to comment on the fact that e got double voted, probably proving the double vote power isn't scum aligned?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Also, is no one going to comment on the fact that e got double voted, probably proving the double vote power isn't scum aligned?

From reading the wiki, it sounds like doublevoter is more often a town role, but I'm not sure if that has relevance here.
Hadn't we discussed the possibility of multiple scumteams as well?

[mail-mi]

vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.

Top scum reads are EFHW and ghacob right now.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 4.1:

Ghacob (1): hockeysemlan
EFHW (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (9): witherweaver, IG, chairs, EFHW, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, TA, Seprix

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 4 ends on August 1 at 1:00 p.m.

[Seprix]

I've been doing a bit of early game interactions, and this is what Ive seen so far in early D1.

e jokingly OMGUS’d XP, made a few short posts about making Chairs an IC due to his townslip, and gave me a lecture on giving out town passes. Would e really focus on chairs so much this early if he was scum? Doesn’t prove much, though the crazy gut read isn’t out of the question. I do however maintain my position that chair’s townslip was probably fabricated. Also, If it really was an important townslip, Chairs would be dead by now. Therefore, I currently have a scum read on Chairs. More thoughts shortly.

[Seprix]

e makes a couple of comments on asking for people to stop slipping PR roles. Seems like an automatic response, though it’s odd everyone has forgotten about Chair’s ‘slip’ thus far.

Then the whole XP/Chairs fiasco with PR leaks goes on, and e posts this:

Basically, bringing up my PM is scummy?

I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.

If there's more explanation, I might be able to defend myself, but as-is it's just a statement not backed up.

The way you brought it up, yes.

1) chairs claims a non-vt pm
2) you follow up saying your pm also includes language that you think might be the same as chairs. i.e. you have a non-vt pm
3) I am of the persuasion that chairs' "slip" and subsequent posts make him sound townie.
4) by claiming a PM similar to chairs you attempt to gain town cred with an eventual town!chairs flip

Then, accounting for the possibility of scim!chairs I said 1 scum/1 town.  I don't think 2 scum will go around claiming similar PMs. I mean, 2 town is totally possible, but meh.

He quickly retracts this somewhat in his next post:

I don't like the 1 scum/1 town thing, I doubt our alignments have much to do with one another.

Wait, just really noticed this. You are now claiming that your alignment and chairs alignment have nothing to do with each other? What are you, some sort of survivor to say that?

I mean, I could see this as me just misunderstanding what you were trying to say, but as it is written, you are saying you have a different alignment than chairs

I don’t know if it means anything, but any potential argument e makes could be useful in finding more scum.

I think we have a nice scum candidate in Chairs so far, what does everyone else think?

vote: chairs

[Seprix]

My thoughts on the possibility of a third team: There haven't been double night kills. Perhaps there is another team which has the ability to have an extra vote when voting together, or something abstractly crazy like that? I think in the name of balance, we either have 3 scum, 4 scum, or two scum teams of 2 each.

[Seprix]

I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.

Oh yeah, can we bring this up again too? This might be the 3rd team.

[EFHW]

vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.

I did end up off wagon - a bunch of people jumped in and lynched him all at once.  Giving him a chance to claim would have been appropriate, and if we were wrong, ending the day that early would have been unfortunate.  We were right, so that's good.  I'm sure my case must have contributed to people's willingness to lynch him - turns out my vote wasn't even needed.

[hockeysemlan]

I see. That wasn't meant to say that I was PR. But I'm also not VT. Or maybe I don't know what PR means because I don't have any actions day or night.

Oh yeah, can we bring this up again too? This might be the 3rd team.

It would make sense to have a couple of survivors here/ non-town team that doesn't make kills..

[hockeysemlan]

vote: EFHW if I remember right she was gunning for e but ends up off wagon.

Not to be whiteknighting, but EFHW is one of my top townreads this far. You have to do more than this to convince me she's scum...

[Seprix]

Since SS is dead, I find this post on Ghacob to be interesting:

I still think hockey continues to be scummy. But this is scummy too:

Although I currently find gkreig scummy, I'm going to give him the good ol' D1 pass

I'm willing to give gkrieg a chance seeing as it's his first day, not just for policy, but because it'd be a shame to lynch confused!town, and we can always lynch new!scum tomorrow.

The other thing that I was trying to say was that my top scumreads(read: not strong) were voting for gkrieg, which would mean either:
-a very early bus (not very likely)
-gkrieg is an easy town target D1 (hope my words make sense with that, as it's important)(more likely)

culminating to a null read on gkrieg, I'll make a decision on whether I want to lynch him or not not today

- inconsistent
- disingenuous town read (call this one a gut reaction)
- empathizing that it's not just for policy... okay, this could be a town thing, but I generally think doing things for blatant policy is a towny thing to do for newer players and a scummy or neutral thing for experienced players
- overexplaining votes

So there’s a potential scum case to be made there as well. Could scum team be Chairs/e/Ghacob and maybe gkraig? No, some scum would be pro-town, but it’s a good start so far to look at these people.

The most important thing is finding town players, and is the most dangerous towards scum, because it narrows the lynch pool.

Faust has tunneled 2.7 since the beginning, and probably started the wagon, a couple notable posts here:

More people should vote for e instead of driving wagons on newbies and the usual suspects.

Vote: e

did you ever explain this?

I had a scum read on e before, as I said. Then he had these two posts:

I don't think advertising noobiness is a necessarily a scum trait.  I mean, this is his first game here.  And he said he has never played forum mafia. 

I can totally see someone coming out of the gate a little shaky and asking about stuff concerning their power.  Had he had N0 to talk to people....some of those questions might have been answered and he could have already posted his

So during the night were some people able to talk in QTs?  Is that the point of the zeroeth night?

Also knowing nothing of the flavor, I had to look stuff up to even know what the words in my role meant.

there in the scum qt.  I mean, it would be rather devious of him as scum to post this.  He is fairly confident in the "tradition" of not lynching noobies.  I mean, it is a very interesting play.

PPE: what silver just posted

actually, I'm going to vote: hockey instead for calling grkiegrki obv town.

but yeah, I am not going obv!town on gkrieg.

which use quite a lot of words for saying basically nothing. That fits with his general play style here: Blending in, being reasonably active without actually contributing a lot to the discussion. I don't like it.

I really really like this so far. Looks towny to me. In fact, when I was giving poor statements and not elaborating, he was pushing me to respond with more, which is always a pro-town move. I think I have a town read on this guy, Mr. Faust.