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I will try to be around tomorrow, but will be on my phone, so won't be able to post as well as I would want to. Also, won't be available from around 8-12 forum time, but should be on for the last hour.

Oh, and can we review that "case" on me? I looked for one, but just found a bunch of gut reads from people.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.9:

XP (1):  chairs
chairs (1):  EgorK
Seprix (6):  gkrieg13, Ghacob, hockey, silverspawn, UoS, WW
gkrieg13 (1):  Seprix
hockeysemlan (1):  Hydrad
2.7 (5):  faust, efhw, XP, TA, mail-mi
TwistedArcher (1):  2.7

Not Voting (1): IG

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on July 9 at 12:01 a.m. forum time.

[ashersky]

Please note, I've moved the deadline to 12:01 a.m.  I realized I will be unavailable at 1:00 a.m.

[Seprix]

I thought I was voting for XP. I guess not.

[ashersky]

If I missed a vote, or have misallocated it, please just revote.  That's the best way to ensure your vote is where you want it.

[faust]

Towny: UoS, gkrieg, Faust, TA, e,
Nully: Chairs, Hockey, Egor, Hydrad, Mail-Mi, Ichi, Ghacob
Scummy: EFHW, Silver, Seprix, XP,

It's interesting that we apparently come to completely different conclusions. At least we agree on TA and gkrieg.

[faust]

Not really feeling the push for the e lynch.

Off the top of my head:
Scummy: xp
50/50: TA, silverspawn, seprix, hockey, hydrad, faust
Townie: gkrieg, chairs, UoS
Null: witherweaver, efhw, mail-mi, ichi, ghacob, egork

What's the difference between "50/50" and "Null"? Or is it just that you didn't want to appear to have null reads on so many people?

[faust]

This last series of posts makes me feel townier on Seprix. I don't feel really good about this wagon. Can we lynch e instead? That would be great. I thought it was common knowledge by now that everyone should sheep me D1

Which posts and why?

For example this:

I'm starting to regret my Krieger vote either way. I kind of forgot why I was voting him over XP, and that's obviously bad. I lost my train of thought I guess, I dunno. Faust seems fine right now, there are certainly better options for D1 lynches.

I think scum tries harder to justify their votes. And the posts surrounding this one feel towny, though I can't exactly point out why.

[faust]

And

Vote: TA

PPEs

This doesn't fit with your earlier read at all.

[faust]

Please note, I've moved the deadline to 12:01 a.m.  I realized I will be unavailable at 1:00 a.m.

-.-

I will no longer be able to be around for the deadline.

[faust]

I'm starting to get my usual bad feelings on WW. And I don't like the Seprix wagon.

[hockeysemlan]

Ugh.. Everything is so random..

The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2. I don't understand why you would tunnel someone this much as town, (though I understand that it is a quite naive statement. Good towns do anything, I guess) at least not D1.

There some good points against e, though, and I wouldn't mind to test if Faust is right, after alll. Seprix is the obvious choice today and we can always take him tomorrow. In my mind, both e and seprix can be scum.   

Vote: e

[faust]

The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.

Vote: hockeysemlan

[hockeysemlan]

The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.

Vote: hockeysemlan

Wutnow? If you believe in your case against him, you wouldn't be wrong to begin with..

This was odd.

[faust]

The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.

Vote: hockeysemlan

Wutnow? If you believe in your case against him, you wouldn't be wrong to begin with..

This was odd.

You are setting up mislynches. That's a very scummy thing to do. And it's not like I would be 100% sure someone is scum on D1. I leave that to others.

[silverspawn]

yeah. okay.

TA wagon is bad and everyone on it is scummy

e I don't agree with but the wagon is okay

vote: hockey he was scummy before and is scummier now

Ghacob I think is mild scum for his treatment of gkrab... at least I think that was him. I'll look it up in a sec.

what I'm unsure about right now is hockey's confidence.

First I was trying to push him and he shrugged it off as me being scummy

now faust is voting for him and he just says faust is being scummy

often, confidence is a town trait. playing up your confidence artificially may be a scum trait... ?

[silverspawn]

Oh also scum reads on the later portion of the Seprix wagon. That would be this here:

UoS, WW

let's see how exactly WW jumped on:

Vote: Seprix

oh, it is here. well... is this elaborate explanation sufficient? Me don't think so.

[silverspawn]

hey that was post #666. I am now the devil. I would put on some black metal if I was at home... because, yknow, black metal is for satanists.

[silverspawn]

My feeling on hockey says scum though. He was less... pointy in his town games.

[silverspawn]

actually, there is no TA wagon to be scummy. Only player on it is e, who isn't scummy, and WW, who meh well it's not that scummy if it has only 2 votes.

[hockeysemlan]

what I'm unsure about right now is hockey's confidence.

First I was trying to push him and he shrugged it off as me being scummy

now faust is voting for him and he just says faust is being scummy

often, confidence is a town trait. playing up your confidence artificially may be a scum trait... ?

I haven't say anything about Faust being scummy? He voted me without a reason after being stuck on e, like, forever- that was odd, indeed. Scummy, I don't know.. You're not scummy for suspecting a town-person D1. You're not so scummy anymore after your vote on Seprix, you're just trying things. Lynching me would be a mistake though. I'm town, you see..

PPE: Hm. What do you mean with pointy..? I've changed my style a tiny little bit in this game, but it's merely because it's bigger than my first finished one.

[silverspawn]

what I'm unsure about right now is hockey's confidence.

First I was trying to push him and he shrugged it off as me being scummy

now faust is voting for him and he just says faust is being scummy

often, confidence is a town trait. playing up your confidence artificially may be a scum trait... ?

I haven't say anything about Faust being scummy?

This was odd.

eh, I guess you technically didn't. so you instead just said it's strange from him. Works equally well for the point I was making.

He voted me without a reason after being stuck on e, like, forever- that was odd, indeed.

He did no such thing. He voted for you for a very goos reason.

Hm. What do you mean with pointy..? I've changed my style a tiny little bit in this game, but it's merely because it's bigger than my first finished one.

It means you're like a pointy item to pick up and play with. Grab it the wrong way, and it will stab you. Ignore it, and you may get into trouble. Whereas before you were more like a nicer rubber ball.

[hockeysemlan]

The good thing with an e-lynch at this point is the fact that Faust pushes it so hard that if he's wrong he might be a good candidate for D2.

Vote: hockeysemlan

Wutnow? If you believe in your case against him, you wouldn't be wrong to begin with..

This was odd.

You are setting up mislynches. That's a very scummy thing to do. And it's not like I would be 100% sure someone is scum on D1. I leave that to others.

You missed a "might", I think. I wouldn't auto-lynch you if e flips town, you would just be in my lynch-pool so to speak. His lynch seemed important to you. But now.. I'm confused.

I like your reasoning around him though, I want to test if it's true even if your not voting for him in the end. I think he very well might end up scum. 

PPE

[silverspawn]

Starting a lynch on a townie is generally considered much less scummy than jumping on such a lynch later on. In case of faust, that's probably different. But that would a very meta specific argument, which I don't think you're making. To me, it just looks like you'd lynch whoever has driven a town wagon, which is a bad idea.

[silverspawn]

and you're implicitly white knighting, too.