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I haven't seen this mentioned here so far
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Do to a misunderstanding (mine), the Events cards will not have blue backs, but will have the tan backs of normal Kingdom cards. Given how these are used in the game, I do not feel this will be a problem for players, even if they shuffle them in with the randomizers as "knowing" the next card up gives no one any advantage. I did explore the possibility of delaying the release to change them to blue, but I feel that the delay from the promised release was not worth making the change. Sorry for the confusion this causes. And, we are still on track to have the game released on April 18th (although as I now see that is a Saturday, many stores may not have it until the 20th).
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2015, 08:52:21 am »
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It's unfortunate, but not earth-shattering.  You just have to not look at the backs while randomizing.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2015, 09:09:15 am »
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It's unfortunate, but not earth-shattering.  You just have to not look at the backs while randomizing.

Should I look at the fronts then?
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2015, 09:16:19 am »
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If you happen to have 20 blue back proxies you can use, you can keep the events in a separate pile that is only drawn from if one of the proxies was drawn from the randomizer deck. Do the blank cards have blue backs? I can't remember
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2015, 09:37:22 am »
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I actually like that the first printing will have the regular backs.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2015, 09:42:09 am »
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I actually like that the first printing will have the regular backs.

It won't just be the first printing; they'll keep it this way.

Anyway, I don't see a problem with this. I suppose while shuffling there could be a minor annoyance with being able to see the color of the card on top, so you would be able to keep shuffling until either an event or a non-event is on top. But not something worth complaining about.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2015, 09:46:07 am »
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I actually like that the first printing will have the regular backs.

It won't just be the first printing; they'll keep it this way.

Anyway, I don't see a problem with this. I suppose while shuffling there could be a minor annoyance with being able to see the color of the card on top, so you would be able to keep shuffling until either an event or a non-event is on top. But not something worth complaining about.

This could also be a bonus though for shuffling. Maybe you want to play with events, so if none turn up in the first ten cards you keep revealing until the other back comes up. Or, if you reach the 2 Event limit and see another regular back, you just skip it.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2015, 09:59:17 am »
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If you happen to have 20 blue back proxies you can use, you can keep the events in a separate pile that is only drawn from if one of the proxies was drawn from the randomizer deck. Do the blank cards have blue backs? I can't remember

There are some blank cards with blue backs, but I'm not sure if there are 20.

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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2015, 10:09:20 am »
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If you happen to have 20 blue back proxies you can use, you can keep the events in a separate pile that is only drawn from if one of the proxies was drawn from the randomizer deck. Do the blank cards have blue backs? I can't remember

There are some blank cards with blue backs, but I'm not sure if there are 20.

In addition to the blanks, there's the 7 base-card blue-backs from the original set. But still not 20.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2015, 12:03:19 pm »
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Here's a way to ensure they get the same play as all the other cards, accounting for the fact that you'll never have more than two in play in any one game.

If you have every expansion and promo there are ~236 kingdom cards. So you could make a deck of 24 coppers and 2 estates, shuffle, and draw 10 cards. For every estate you drew, add in one event card at random.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2015, 12:08:00 pm »
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Here's a way to ensure they get the same play as all the other cards, accounting for the fact that you'll never have more than two in play in any one game.

If you have every expansion and promo there are ~236 kingdom cards. So you could make a deck of 24 coppers and 2 estates, shuffle, and draw 10 cards. For every estate you drew, add in one event card at random.

You get 10 Kingdom cards AND however many event cards that you drew. You're not strictly limited to 2 Events and they don't count as a Kingdom card in the sense that they take away a pile.

That said, I don't think its a problem that these cards don't have blue backs. Just don't look at the top of the randomizer deck when doing your final shuffles, then deal them out in order. It's not hard to shuffle without looking at the card piles, honestly. Or if you absolutely have to look the whole time, then cut the deck right before you deal and stick with whatever cut you make.

Optionally, use a software randomizer like I assume everyone does. I guess those will have to be rewritten now to account for events.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2015, 12:18:07 pm »
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For IRL play, I usually fan out the shuffled deck and let people pick from them, so that's one scenario where the difference would matter. But then, we also keep the sets' randomizers separate and pick, say, 3 Seaside cards, etc., and if we're using Prosperity cards we just include Colony/Platinum, so we'd probably just say, okay we're playing with Adventures cards so let's pick two Events.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2015, 12:21:42 pm »
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That said, I don't think its a problem that these cards don't have blue backs. Just don't look at the top of the randomizer deck when doing your final shuffles, then deal them out in order. It's not hard to shuffle without looking at the card piles, honestly. Or if you absolutely have to look the whole time, then cut the deck right before you deal and stick with whatever cut you make.

It's pretty hard to shuffle a deck with 256 cards in it even when you're looking at it.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2015, 12:42:08 pm »
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Well, if you go with "shuffle everything and see if any events come out", if you're using all 256 cards, you're going to average ~1 Event per game.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2015, 12:50:29 pm »
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That said, I don't think its a problem that these cards don't have blue backs. Just don't look at the top of the randomizer deck when doing your final shuffles, then deal them out in order. It's not hard to shuffle without looking at the card piles, honestly. Or if you absolutely have to look the whole time, then cut the deck right before you deal and stick with whatever cut you make.

It's pretty hard to shuffle a deck with 256 cards in it even when you're looking at it.

In the extremely rare occasion that I'm going to use the full Randomizer deck to pick my Kingdom, I split the deck into multiple parts and/or use one of those card shuffling machines old people / Vegas casinos use. These can handle a LOT of cards and thoroughly mix them well. I don't mind dinging up randomizer cards.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2015, 01:12:55 pm »
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It's pretty hard to shuffle a deck with 256 cards in it even when you're looking at it.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2015, 01:16:48 pm »
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It won't just be the first printing; they'll keep it this way.
Confirmed. There were so many copies of the first printing printed that a change wouldn't come up for a few years anyway, and Jay is not a fan of people demanding fixed versions of things.

It's sad to have something not quite perfect but at the same time the only way it matters is that it's not quite perfect. People with opaque sleeves, people who separate out the Events to always have some, and people who use apps are utterly unaffected. People who use regular cards for randomizers (saves on lugging around some cards) can be ever-so-mildly pleased. And the people with regular randomizer decks, you know if the top is an Event and well it was up to you how to pick the cards anyway. You can commit to stopping after a cut if you want to not influence the randomness with your personal tastes.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2015, 01:42:02 pm »
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That said, I don't think its a problem that these cards don't have blue backs. Just don't look at the top of the randomizer deck when doing your final shuffles, then deal them out in order. It's not hard to shuffle without looking at the card piles, honestly. Or if you absolutely have to look the whole time, then cut the deck right before you deal and stick with whatever cut you make.

It's pretty hard to shuffle a deck with 256 cards in it even when you're looking at it.

I've been able to shuffle the 206 cards (barely), but now I don't know if I can do 256...
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2015, 01:47:20 pm »
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2015, 01:50:45 pm »
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If you ever play with designed kingdoms or use an app then it will be a lot easier to find a specific Event out of a separate 20 card pile than in a massive 256 card randomizer pile. Even though I sometimes use the physical randomizer deck, I was already a bit hesitant to mix in the Events.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2015, 01:54:45 pm »
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I struggled to shuffle 206 cards so I bought a 6 deck card shuffler.

I am extremely glad they didn't hold up the release of the game to fix the problem with the backs of the events.
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2015, 02:33:01 pm »
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Card sleeves also make this a non-issue.
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2015, 07:54:59 pm »
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I wonder whether they'll fix it for the german release. September is a long time away.
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2015, 03:23:40 am »
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It won't just be the first printing; they'll keep it this way.
Confirmed. There were so many copies of the first printing printed that a change wouldn't come up for a few years anyway, and Jay is not a fan of people demanding fixed versions of things.

It's sad to have something not quite perfect but at the same time the only way it matters is that it's not quite perfect. People with opaque sleeves, people who separate out the Events to always have some, and people who use apps are utterly unaffected. People who use regular cards for randomizers (saves on lugging around some cards) can be ever-so-mildly pleased. And the people with regular randomizer decks, you know if the top is an Event and well it was up to you how to pick the cards anyway. You can commit to stopping after a cut if you want to not influence the randomness with your personal tastes.
I hope foreign language editor (French for my part) will take care of this to have a "perfect" game ;)
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Re: Events will have normal (non-randomizer) card backs due to missprint
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2015, 09:21:16 am »
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Doesn't everyone just use an app to randomize anyway?  Even shuffling 100 cards back when there were only 3 expansions was a chore and a half.
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