Everything Ichi has done this game has felt fake. He's my top lynch choice for today.
Still torn about Ash, but if it's Ash vs. Faust I'm voting Ash.
I think you could very well be faust's partner. This isn't even an argument, it's just a sweeping, subjective generalization about my play.
Why do I have to go pull up the quotes if it's true?
Fine:
kk.
I am the Town Blackmailer. And my power is kind of different. It basically revolves around me picking one person to target--and then naming several other people and if any of those people I name gets lynched, my target is protected from attacks for the following night.
As brought up before, the "Town Blackmailer". This obviously isn't in the PM, meaning there was a conscious choice to add it. Plus, only the pro-town part of your role is mentioned here. The huge downside, as well as the part about targets getting messages comes later.
faust. I feel like you're being purposefully dishonest in voting me and your analysis of my role.
You already seemingly acknowledged that you understood that the # of players I pick after my original target is determined the same was as SS--yet you omit that from your analysis post. I never used the word Doctor to describe my role--yet you act as if I did. My role protects my target from all attacks if one of the other people I choose gets lynched. You rate numerous, numerous other people as having roles with higher scum utility and lower town utility. I just don't get it.
I don't really buy that you aren't paying attention. I think you're doing this on purpose and it makes me want to vote: faust. I can make my lynch choices public the following day so it can be guaranteed that my target gets protected during the night--assuming that at least one of my choices is likable to most people. So it is not that difficult to ensure that my role doesn't "backfire".
I don't like how e gives you town credit for claiming last and pretending that you had a reason for it when your supposed role does not warrant that at all. You know you don't have any good reason to vote me--and it seems you purposefully refrained from stating any, so I can only conclude that you're either scum or doing this to get a reaction out of me (maybe both).
This is just a very fake feeling post. As I said before, lots of fluff surrounding an knee-jerk OMGUS vote. Also, it always bothered me how you claimed not to call yourself a doctor. You explicitly said your target is protected from attacks. Protected means doctor. Just one example of a lot of empty rhetoric in your "arguments". Also, Silverspawn labeled you "Doctor" before Faust did.
Ichi's whole post feels like total OMGUS to me, and seems like scum worried about the lynch pool getting too narrow. I agree with a lot of faust's analysis, though I don't think we should be lynching people based solely on how scummy their role is. People's reactions, though, are telling.
Well this is just ludicrous. Yes it's OMGUS to a degree--but faust's behavior has been legitimately troubling and scummy. Why should I be bullied out of voting for him just because he voted me first? Scared about the lynch pool getting too narrow? Where did you get that from? If anything, it looks to me like faust did some "analysis" and laid down some ground rules and then just completely ignored them. Then you jumped my wagon because you thought you could get away with it and are now scrambling to invent reasons why you voted me.
I think you're scum btw.
PPE: 1
I mean it's not ludicrous. Not in the slightest, not even a little, not one bit. So why are you trying to billow up fires?
Yeah. Your read on me is so forced.
You said you thought "a lot" of faust's analysis was sound? Were there some parts you didn't agree with?
I had gotten a bit of a forced feel from ADK, too. However "your read on me is so forced" is further instigation.
I'm going to switch to vote: ADK.
It's pretty normal for me to disagree with faust and him to find me scummy for something I don't get (like in Dice Mafia).
ADK's vote and explanation look and feel terrible though. And now he's gone. He could have left for some irl reason. But I know when things get heated and I'm scum, I sometimes will stop posting for a while and just hope it blows over.
WW and SS are my biggest townreads.
Feels very constructed.. "okay, I've waited long enough to not make it look like immediate OMGUS so now I can safely vote ADK". Also of note, I'm a townread here because I haven't yet found you scummy. I become a top scumread once that happens. THAT is fake.
Also, nothing is heated here, except for you. This "argument" is entirely one sided on your part, which makes it look like you're trying to build something up for whatever reason. I don't know why, maybe to just get a lot of confusing posts flying around. I said as much at the time.
To quote faust from Yoshi's island
"Your silence is giving you away."
Further instigation.
To quote faust from Yoshi's island
"Your silence is giving you away."
I was away from the computer. My entire life does not revolve around mafia.
If you bothered to read my other posts, you would see I mentioned this. You're working to misinterpret me here.
PPEs: Wow. Now who's overreacting?
You're scum. You need to die.
Distraction, deflection, and more purposeful ignorance of people's metas.
Can we please lynch ADK today?
Further instigation. People respond to posts as they read them. And:
"PPEs: Wow. Now who's overreacting?
You're scum. You need to die."
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*my voting
I should probably take a break. I feel really, really, confident that ADK is scum though, and I think Hydrad's assessment of my meta is clearly inaccurate--but of course scum!ADK is going to latch onto it.
Bullshit alarm times 100,000,000,000,000^googleplex. You are not this confident someone is scum in the beginning of Day 1. No, I refuse to believe it. You are not. You have nothing to go by except for a spat that YOU constructed. The only person that is this confident from the get-go is Ash, and that's because he's okay with being wrong 60% of the time.
You'll have to wait for a proper response util tomorrow I fear. I tentatively think Ichi is scummy here, and honestly have a hard time understanding why people would vote for one of our only investigative roles at all on D1.
Ok. Tentatively scummy. That's ok, but kind of hedgy especially with your vote.
Oh. Well I honestly have a hard time understanding why people are voting like our only real protective role on D1.
PPE: silver is one of my top townreads. Another good reason for where my vote is.
Upselling your protective status when you specifically downsold it to argue with Faust earlier.
Darn it. My OMGUS senses are telling me to unvote you now.
Pointing out your own scummy behavior doesn't make it any less scummy.
Faust is tunneling me.
As we've pointed out before, this is just a false statement.
You've obviously been setting me up for a mislynch for a while now. As long as you can get away with it, it doesn't matter if that's what you "really" believe or not.
I'm back to vote: faust. And you're saying scum!faust would genuinely scumhunt here. What does that mean? You'd actively try to identify and lynch the unknown component of your team?--because that makes no sense at all.
Please look back at faust's posts. He's handpicking information.
You got my reactions, yet you didn't actually comment on them beyond being like WW and putting me into a category. Just because I have an emotional element to my responses doesn't mean you can just ignore my points.
And notice how faust just completely ignores e's case on WW. This is reminding me of Teproc and WW in Musical Mafia. One of them tunnels me and I let it slide, while WW is super hedgy and then switches to my wagon at the last minute. Well this time, there really is no substance to your case, beyond you not following your own rules and voting me 2/5 town power 3/5 scum power by your estimation. Instead of someone like WW whom you rated as a 1/5 town power 5/5 scum power--and that's only one example.
You are being dishonest because you said we should vote by your numbers, but your vote on me makes no sense given your estimation for each role's relative town/scum power. That's verifiably true.
Can't really tell if this is fake or you're simply misinterpreting Faust. Also, a lot of explanation here surrounding a vote. Also, calling someone else scummy in the same message where you vote a different person.
Except I think Faust is town, and e is probably town too.
e might be town. Faust is scum for sure. I actually see you as a likely partner for him.
Now you're absolutely certain about two scum players at the beginning of the game?
I think Hydrad's been really scummy as well. I'm interested with the super ramp up of his wagon though.
Notably hedgey post on scum!Hydrad.
Eh. I feel that Ichi recalls that he usually gets in a big fight with me and tries to reproduce this meta here. He's making a big fuss over things I already responded to. It doesn't feel genuine.
Um. By my reckoning I didn't start things (you'll probably disagree). I still have no idea why you're voting me.
I feel like you know that you usually find me scummy for some reasons I think is awful--and you're trying to replicate that here. We fought in Yoshi's island too--just saying.
PPE: Maybe WW isn't scum.
PPE refers to me stating that your townslip isn't faked. Since this is occurrence 10,485,201 of "saying I'm scummy => scum, saying I'm not scummy => town", yeah, you can't possibly begrudge me for saying that you feel fake.
So I'm scummy because...I don't see anything there.
What about WW's role?
Seriously, if you're voting me just because of my role, that is horrid.
PPE: We were just partners together in flavorless. You could be changing your scum playstyle because of that. I mostly think you're scum because of how you've tunneled me for virtually no reason and are refusing to give up. It feels lazy and subversive. I let Teproc talk me out of feeling this way about tunneling me in Musical Mafia--and it didn't exactly work out for me.
Of interest. I don't think your role is the deciding factor of people voting you. Though at the same time you want to dissuade arguments for voting someone based on their role, you try to swing it towards me.
Uh. Pretty sure that's L-2. I don't know guys...I'm not really feeling the Hydrad lynch. I am terrible at reading him though.
More hedge. "I am terrible at reading him though" sounds like "Hey maybe I'm just wrong. It's not that I'm his partner, really." I.e., it sounds like a preemptive excuse.
Well. We still have like 5 days--at the same time I think there's already been a ton that's happened today: the massclaim, ADK's and my fight, etc. So ending it now is fine.
Eh. His role doesn't look super strong...should I hammer?
I feel like scum is manipulating me to go along with this lynch though.
Another post that just doesn't sound genuine. How could scum be manipulating you? Where was this manipulation?
To answer the first question, I just get this bad feeling about certain lynches. I just feel so confident that faust is scum, it feels kind of bad to settle for anyone else today. But unfortunately it doesn't look that's happening. I often just go along with what other people think as town--and I feel like that's hurt me in the past.
For the general one. I think this setup kind of sucks for scum in that regard. They can't really get any towncredit for bussing known or unkonwn--since it could be by accident. They're going to have to balance looking like they're really scumhunting (which they kind of are)--and then maybe back off if they think they identified one of their unknown partners?
"So confident". NO! Town is not confident Day 1. Town doesn't know things. Scum knows things.
This sounds like me in Xmen pushing the mislynch against either you or DeDe (I think it was DeDe?). My goal was to appear as super eager town excited that he found scum. The confidence is exactly what gave me away to McMc.
Well faust isn't happening right now. I'm going to vote: ADK as well. I thought your case on him was good--and I felt he was really scummy when we were fighting.
PPE: 1
Overexplanation of a vote again. You were absolutely certain he was scum not a dozen pages ago. Why do you feel the need to give some reasons?
faust tunneled me first--I'm not even voting for him right now. He has kept his vote on me and refused to move it. Why is it impossible for scum!faust to be the one tunneling me and me just being my normal self? And yeah, I do tunnel people this way--especially after what happened in Musical Mafia.
PPEs: like 4
As I stated at the time, "tunneling" is a gross exaggeration.
Also. It feels like you're purposefully exaggerating how much "space" or whatever mine and faust's argument was. We didn't directly argue much at all actually. Certainly less than ADK and I.
I don't like how you and WW sit back from each of these arguments and are both like "oh, you must be partners together". Declaring we're both the same alignment is an easy way for scum to avoid taking sides--and being held responsible.
PPE: 1
I never said anything like that and I don't know why I'm thrown into the mix here. Feels off.
Does anyone else want to lynch e? It feels like he's gotten very little attention, and said relatively little, in all of this.
There's too many people I find scummy!
You are right here though. He's been pretty low activity and has anyone really voted for him?
PPE: I'm not wholly opposed to lynching Hydrad.
PPE was in response to Hydrad saying he would be willing to vote for you. Occurrence 10,485,202 of "saying I'm scummy => scum, saying I'm not scummy => town".
Hammer time?
The Hydrad lynch has grown on me. SS made some accusations of me being Hydrad's partner--which I find kind of strange. Everyone has pretty much taken a stand on him one way or the other--or obviously hedged with their read on him. I am interested that no one (especially Ash) has hammered him yet.
I have townreads on about half of his wagon: Joseph, XP, SS.
This is maybe the fourth or fifth post where you've hesistantly agreed or asked for permission to join the Hydrad lynch.
Also, wow, "I am interested that no one (especially Ash) has hammered him yet.". That looks really bad given Hydrad flipping scum. Like you're setting up people to be scummy if Hydrad is scum, which no one but his partner can yet know.
Okay, that was just Day 1. I think it gets worse Day 2, but if you really want I can pull up all the quotes.
For what it's worth, I had this thought at like 2 AM last night. I was actually going to post then, but then I was tired and wanted to sleep on it. But I was thinking about how throughout the game you've been "so certain" that people are scum, and that's the main thing that motivated me thinking that you've been fake this game. (By "fake", I mean scum trying to look like what they think town should look like.)
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