Okay, I finally have time to break things down. Sorry for taking so long - I had internet access issues.
So, first things first -
I targeted e tonight, and e was targeted by the role "Limited Poisoner". (and no other role)
This pretty much means ashersky's result cannot be true. I'll guide you through the thought process in my head. Assume for a moment that ashersky isn't lying scum. That means someone must have messed with results, or Joseph lies.
1) Messed up results.
First case to consider is nobody lied about their role. Then the only manipulative role is e. True enough, had e targeted Joseph, then ash would have been redirected to him, yielding "manipulative" as a result. Only this cannot be true because chairs successfully targeted Joseph, and had e targeted Joseph, then chairs would have been redirected as well. Okay, so discard this scenario.
Other option is someone lied about their role. Who could it have been?
Ichi - possible, yet unlikely. He would have needed to make up a role that has great similarities to the one silver claimed.
WW - possible, though dangerous as his claimed role is confirmable.
silver - not possible; his role was confirmed by Awaclus
chairs - not possible; confirmed role
Awaclus - not possible, confirmed by me.
e - theoretically possible.
The question then is, what kind of role would give ash the result he got? It can't be a Bus-Driver-like thing because then chairs would have been Bus Driven too. So it would need to be a role that targeted ash, and made him target this role. Well, that sounds an awful lot like e's role; I doubt there would be two roles this similar. Overall, many circumstances need to come together to make this possible. Occam's Razor says this is not what happened.
2) Joseph lied
So Joseph lied, huh? That runs in the great problem that I confirmed his role name, and I find it hard to believe there would be a role called "Limited Poisoner" that is mainpulative. So, not a possibility.
Okay, now, this means that ash lies. Is there a reason for him to do so?
I mean, it seems weird. The best this can result in is a one-one trade, usually not what scum wants, right? But - and here's a big but - if getting Joseph lynched is the winning move, it may be worth it. So let's run this through. There are nine players left alive, three of which are scum. Lynching Joseph has 8 players remaining. Chairs is primed to die, as is (potentially, if he didn't/doesn't get scum to target him) e. Two people are attacked. If we lynch Joseph, then by Ichi's role, someone else only needs to be attacked once to die.
So if chairs and e are not scum, then things look pretty good for scum here. Now of course ash cannot know whether they are scum or not, but if he's in the remaining 2-player team, then he might think it worth the risk. One mislynch can be the win here. We are at MyLo. This really is the scenario that makes by far the most sense, to me at least.
Now, as a final remark, look at ash's behaviour since the claim. He's not stupid, he knows I'm going to counter him, because I said I would target e. So he does his best to discredit me before I get the chance to post:
Faust is scummily tied to Joseph, anyway, which I guess he would do if they are partners.
I definitely see Faust as most likely partner, but at least I know (am super confident) he didn't lie about his role. Rolecop is often a scum power, of course....
Vote: ashersky I have things to say, soon.
Ah, the desperation of a partner, so very afraid of losing his only hope.
This is like some new type of projected OMGUS.
And finally, of course, this:
Actually, no. You know what? Fuck this.
vote: faust
Let's make this what you want it to be, a showdown between us. You've been hounding me since yesterday, using passive-aggressive crap and all to try to run this. I'm only still playing because a arch couldn't find a replacement. But that's what you wanted, right?
So let's do it. Let everyone choose who they trust. Both our names have come up as possible reps for f.ds at the Mafia Championships. Here it is, then. Loser refuses to be put forward as a candidate. Let's see who really deserves it.
I am confident that my result validates my strong read on Joseph and his crazy backpedal on his claim on D2 with his convenient targeting. Your crazy defense of him throughout this whole thing ties you to him so strongly, it's partnership. You lost Hydrad, knew you were in bad shape, have to keep your partner around.
So, here it is. You and Joseph vs. me. Everyone, pick a side! Whose instincts do you trust?
If you lynch me, fine. I'll know I'm past my prime as a player and I don't deserve to be considered as f.ds's rep. But as of right now, I definitely believe in myself, and I think you should, too.
The gauntlet is thrown, just like you wanted, faust. Let the one the community thinks is the best man win.
before he even hears my results. It's plain insanity.
This is my case. I'm convinced ash is scum. He's made a full turnaround on me when it was convenient (stating earlier that I was "basically an IC", of which at least some should have remained to make him doubt.
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