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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1525 on: March 25, 2015, 12:39:32 pm »

silver has the issue that I don't think he's played his role in a very pro-town way.

I'd absolutely do Ichi, but noone seems to agree with me, I don't get the feeling that a wagon on him is viable.

I don't really get that.. if I had Silver's power it makes perfect sense to protect myself against Joseph, as well as my top town reads... why would I protect anyone else?

I guess the other option is to protect self and town reads against top scum read, but then you could be wrong with your scum read and end up Roleblocking town.

So, okay, Joseph being Roleblocked would prevent "confirmation" of his role, but that confirmation is pretty iffy anyway.  I don't really see how Silver made a bad choice here.

Self-preservation is usually more of a scum thing. Protecting the way he did (himself against a (likely) town killing role is exactly what scum wants to do. Town wants to block the mafia kill, not kills that potentially come from town. And silver not protecting Xerxes is also a strike against him, seeing how he figured out that great plan (which would not actually have worked) to ot the scum.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1526 on: March 25, 2015, 12:40:06 pm »

I think deadline was 3:30 EST, so that's in three hours.

Eh, right. Counting is hard.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1527 on: March 25, 2015, 12:40:58 pm »

Well, no, but you could convince me that ADK is not a good lynch.

Well, he's not exactly a bad lynch, but I think there are better ones.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1528 on: March 25, 2015, 12:41:52 pm »

silver has the issue that I don't think he's played his role in a very pro-town way.

I'd absolutely do Ichi, but noone seems to agree with me, I don't get the feeling that a wagon on him is viable.

I don't really get that.. if I had Silver's power it makes perfect sense to protect myself against Joseph, as well as my top town reads... why would I protect anyone else?

I guess the other option is to protect self and town reads against top scum read, but then you could be wrong with your scum read and end up Roleblocking town.

So, okay, Joseph being Roleblocked would prevent "confirmation" of his role, but that confirmation is pretty iffy anyway.  I don't really see how Silver made a bad choice here.

Self-preservation is usually more of a scum thing. Protecting the way he did (himself against a (likely) town killing role is exactly what scum wants to do. Town wants to block the mafia kill, not kills that potentially come from town. And silver not protecting Xerxes is also a strike against him, seeing how he figured out that great plan (which would not actually have worked) to ot the scum.

That's a good point about XP, but then again Joseph trying to kill XP is a huge strike against him.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1529 on: March 25, 2015, 12:42:42 pm »

That's a good point about XP, but then again Joseph trying to kill XP is a huge strike against him.

How so?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1530 on: March 25, 2015, 12:45:11 pm »

Because he was fairly townie Day 1, and there were non-townie choices.  (Like, ADK, or just anyone off wagon from Hydrad.  That would have provided more info even if it hit town.) 
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1531 on: March 25, 2015, 12:47:45 pm »

And why would you poison XP?
XP's role looked like it had very little town utility, so I thought he was scum.

Okay, town makes mistakes and scum likes to come up with good explanations, but still... this was bad.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1532 on: March 25, 2015, 12:50:57 pm »

Because he was fairly townie Day 1, and there were non-townie choices.  (Like, ADK, or just anyone off wagon from Hydrad.  That would have provided more info even if it hit town.)
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What's the scum narrative for Joseph's team targeting Xerxes with both the attack and Joseph's power? Makes no sense to me.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1533 on: March 25, 2015, 12:51:18 pm »

Fixed:
Because he was fairly townie Day 1, and there were non-townie choices.  (Like, ADK, or just anyone off wagon from Hydrad.  That would have provided more info even if it hit town.)

What's the scum narrative for Joseph's team targeting Xerxes with both the attack and Joseph's power? Makes no sense to me.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1534 on: March 25, 2015, 12:53:54 pm »

Fixed:
Because he was fairly townie Day 1, and there were non-townie choices.  (Like, ADK, or just anyone off wagon from Hydrad.  That would have provided more info even if it hit town.)

What's the scum narrative for Joseph's team targeting Xerxes with both the attack and Joseph's power? Makes no sense to me.

Yeah, I don't know.  It would have to be a lie somewhere on Joseph's end. 
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1535 on: March 25, 2015, 01:09:11 pm »

I'm not really sure what to say here. Yes, I've disengaged a bit, but I also feel that I've done my share of scumhunting here. I think that most of the "case" against me is an overblown case of OMGUS.

If I do get lynched, WW, e, and silverspawn are still my top scumreads. I'd definitely look at my wagon for scum in the following days, as I'm pretty sure I'm a lynch of convenience here.

How could it be OMGUS when you were a high scum read of mine far before you starting trying to get me lynched?

I'm talking more about silver, ichi and e.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1536 on: March 25, 2015, 01:21:03 pm »

I'm not really sure what to say here. Yes, I've disengaged a bit, but I also feel that I've done my share of scumhunting here. I think that most of the "case" against me is an overblown case of OMGUS.

If I do get lynched, WW, e, and silverspawn are still my top scumreads. I'd definitely look at my wagon for scum in the following days, as I'm pretty sure I'm a lynch of convenience here.

How could it be OMGUS when you were a high scum read of mine far before you starting trying to get me lynched?

I'm talking more about silver, ichi and e.

Willing to vote for WW? Two's a wagon!
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1537 on: March 25, 2015, 01:25:35 pm »

I'd absolutely do Ichi, but noone seems to agree with me, I don't get the feeling that a wagon on him is viable.
Stop being so scummy! You're reducing your accountability when lynching someone other than me.

Also, I'm here and can vote.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1538 on: March 25, 2015, 01:28:17 pm »

How soon is the deadline?

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1539 on: March 25, 2015, 01:29:44 pm »

I'd rather lynch silverspawn. But sure, vote: WW
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1540 on: March 25, 2015, 01:31:51 pm »

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1541 on: March 25, 2015, 01:35:50 pm »

Vote Count 2.FINAL

A Drowned Kernel (6): silverspawn, 2.71828....., Witherweaver, chairs, Awaclus, faust
Joseph2302 (2): ashersky, Ichimaru Gin
silverspawn (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (1): Joseph2302

With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1542 on: March 25, 2015, 01:39:06 pm »

<flavor will be added by Arch when he can/wants>

A Drowned Kernel has been lynched.  He was the Town-aligned Inventor.  His role was:

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Night 2 has begun!  Please get your night actions within 48 hours.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1543 on: March 25, 2015, 01:40:01 pm »

Please include me in your PMs for night actions as Arch has very little access at the moment.  They might not be counted if you don't send them to me.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1544 on: March 25, 2015, 02:29:16 pm »

I will not have any access until Saturday. So, Night 2 will be extended until then. Get your night actions in in time and I'll resolve them via mobile when I can.[/color]
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1545 on: March 28, 2015, 10:40:58 am »

On mobile, will do flavor and update the OP on Monday.

No one Died


Not Voting (9): ashersky, Ichimaru Gin, 2.7, Witherweaver, Joseph, Awaclus, faust, silverspawn, chairs

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Tuesday, April 7th at 10:30 AM.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1546 on: March 28, 2015, 11:05:23 am »

Alright, I didn't really want to claim until I had some kind of result.  I think it's still probably the best play for me to not claim yet, except I don't want another big argument, so I'm going to go ahead and claim everything.

I am a Partial Governor.  Each night I select a player to become Half-Lynchproof for the rest of the game.  This means that if they are lynched, then the lynch will fail if they are town*.  If a lynch fails because of this, then all Half-Lynchproof statuses are removed.  Essentially, this is a like a Cop that costs a lynch to verify.

My original idea was to target a person I found pretty scummy and push their lynch hard the next day.. If I'm correct, great, and if not then I can claim them an IC at some point.  However, the massclaim kind of messed that up, and during Night 1 I wasn't sure if I would have to claim my target, and it wouldn't make a lot of sense for me to Govern a scum read.

During Night 1, I targetted Ashersky.  This was pretty heavily breadcrumbed, and I'll pull up the posts later (Day 1: "Hey we can lynch my target to verify my role, that would be cool"  Day 2: "Lynching Asherksy would be cool", and then I backed off Ash immediately when e claimed to have redirected to himself.  The reason for targetting Ashersky was to select someone who still might get lynched (Ash was off-wagon and got a decent amount of heat Day 1) while still being difficult to read.  I had a townish/null read on him, and he's naturally a player who I'd want to Cop.  I had originally wanted to do ADK, but again it didn't make sense for me to Govern a high scum read.  In retrospect, too bad there.

So as a result of Night 1, e is Half-Lynchproof.  If we lynch him, we'll go into night without a lynch only if he's town.  If he's scum, he'll be lynched like normal.  I realize I could have pushed e's lynch yesterday, but at the time he claimed Ash as his target, he didn't seem like a viable lynch candidate to me, and I thought he was town.  Maybe I still should have.. If he had ever gotten to L-1 I would have hammered and claimed the result today.  (I was planning to claim today anyway after all the arguing yesterday.)

For Night 2, I was considering Ichi, because he has a pretty good chance of getting lynched and I'm less sure on him than before.  However, that would give an Ichi vs. e dichotomy, and they both have pretty strong scum reads on each other, and Ichi also things I'm scum, and I was on Ichi yesterday, so people would probably question my intentions there.  Instead I decided to go for someone fairly null that had some mixed reactions from others, so:

I targetted Silverspawn last night.  Same deal.  If he's lynched, it will fail if he's town and succeed if he's scum.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1547 on: March 28, 2015, 11:15:11 am »

Here are the relevant quotes regarding Ash:

We can also verify my role by just lynching my target tomorrow. That would be cool, but  I'm not sure how much utility it would offer.

I would be okay lynching Ashersky today.

Huh, neat.  Makes me want to lynch an ADK.

Or we could always lynch Ashersky.  Because that's cool.

e, who was your target?

Ashersky

Why?
(In response to e above; I was kind of disappointed here.)

Yeah, this feels super disingenuous from Ichi.  He's probably scum.

Lynching Ash is not so cool, I was wrong about that.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1548 on: March 28, 2015, 11:58:27 am »

To make sure I understand.

1) each night you target a player.  They become Half-Lynchproof
2) If they get lynch then
         a) town survives, but all other half-lynchproofs are negated
         b) scum dies, all other half-lynchproofs are intact

I like it.  Sorry to ruin all your amazing plans with Ashersky though.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1549 on: March 28, 2015, 11:59:59 am »

Also, I assume that no one dying means that we have two people primed to die
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