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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1150 on: March 19, 2015, 05:56:28 pm »

As for WW: He's playing openly anti-town, and I won't have that. Consider it a policy vote if you will.

Wherin lynching scum is considered anti-town.

What you really mean to say is, "I know WW is town, but I want to lynch him anyway."  That's fine, but be honest.

It's considered anti-twon to withhold which player cannot get lynched today, and to hope for that exact player to be "lynched" so that the game moves to night without a lynch.

Good additional point against WW.

If we lynch the governor'ed player, town's game is seriously screwed.  It is not in town's interest at all to not know.  It's doing nothing but wasting our time and our day to help scum survive.

WW is extremely anti-town here, regardless of alignment.

Uh-huh.

Why are you being so obtuse?  Like, are you trying the "so anti-town he can't be scum" tactic?  It's pretty infuriating.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1151 on: March 19, 2015, 05:57:17 pm »

Seriously, WW, can you give one good reason why withholding information about your power is a good thing?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1152 on: March 19, 2015, 05:57:42 pm »

Fine I'm exaggerating, but the stopping kills part was not very highly suggested by his role description.

Anyway, I got confused at some point and thought that we had a contradiction with Joseph targetting XP.

I see you are continuing to speak and defend Joseph on his behalf.  You are really tying yourself to him, either to save your partner or gain ubertowncred if we're all wrong about him.

I'm going with partner, given he's scum.

Do you have any notion of what the word "defend" means?  If nothing in this line of conversation relates to an attack, how can there be a defense?

We are "attacking" the honesty of his claim.  You are "defending" the truth in his claim by rationalizing what he said, explaining how it works, making it seem not as false as it really is.

... have you read this thread?  You should try that

I've been strongly questioning his claim all game.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1153 on: March 19, 2015, 05:58:18 pm »

No one is Lynchproof today.

Better?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1154 on: March 19, 2015, 05:58:46 pm »

I mean, it's not relevant to anything, but there you have it.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1155 on: March 19, 2015, 06:01:07 pm »

I'm super confused right now.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1156 on: March 19, 2015, 06:05:56 pm »

As for WW: He's playing openly anti-town, and I won't have that. Consider it a policy vote if you will.

Wherin lynching scum is considered anti-town.

What you really mean to say is, "I know WW is town, but I want to lynch him anyway."  That's fine, but be honest.

It's considered anti-twon to withhold which player cannot get lynched today, and to hope for that exact player to be "lynched" so that the game moves to night without a lynch.

Good additional point against WW.

If we lynch the governor'ed player, town's game is seriously screwed.  It is not in town's interest at all to not know.  It's doing nothing but wasting our time and our day to help scum survive.

WW is extremely anti-town here, regardless of alignment.

Uh-huh.

Why are you being so obtuse?  Like, are you trying the "so anti-town he can't be scum" tactic?  It's pretty infuriating.

Because it's a terrible point.  Who am I hoping gets lynched?  Ichi?  Then what?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1157 on: March 19, 2015, 06:11:03 pm »

No one is Lynchproof today.

Better?

Why did you feel it was important to withhold this information for so long?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1158 on: March 19, 2015, 06:12:37 pm »

No one is Lynchproof today.

Better?

Why did you feel it was important to withhold this information for so long?

Because I get annoyed when people tell me to do things.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1159 on: March 19, 2015, 06:14:02 pm »

So you'll do something anti-town out of spite?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1160 on: March 19, 2015, 07:19:34 pm »

 ???

Can we just vote: WW and move on please.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1161 on: March 19, 2015, 07:35:17 pm »

So, reads:

e: I think he's town.  Decent (though incorrect) case against me Day 1, which was like the first real thing that happened to get off of theory talk.  Good case against Ichi (sorry Ichi, even if you are town, e made good points) today.  Looks like real scumhunting to me.

ADK: I waver back and forth.. was my top scum read Day 1 after Hydrad.  It lessened a bit towards the end of Day 1... I still think scum.  I get the same gut feeling when I reread, and he was off the Hydrad lynch.  He's generally a little more present scumhunting.. here he's kind of just sat on my convenient wagon.  He did say something about feeling disengaged, and that did happen I think last game I played with him, where I thought he was scum but ended up town.

Ashersky: I'm pretty in the middle here.  He's showing a lot of town!Ash traits.. like a lot. Those can be faked, but I'm not sure they are here.  Honestly it feels like it's town!Ash trying to emulate town!Ash, if that makes sense.  He seems to be only responding to disjoint pieces of the game.  For instance, he (as far as I recall) never weighed in on Ichi's strange piecemeal claim, which I would have expected him to jump on.  (Especially after that previous game where Ichi fake claimed.. Sure Ash knew for certain Ichi was wrong there, but he did make a big deal about analyzing the claim, and I think in other games he's been big on arguing if a claim is real or not.)

Awaclus: Wow.. I don't remember much from him.  Someone reported strong town vibes.  Actually I think being sort of background is more of a town trait for him than a scum trait, so there's that.  But I may have it the other way around.  He was nice enough to explain it to us one game, but I've forgotten.

Faust: I'm, like, 95% sure he's town.  Reminds me of town!Faust in Dice Mafia.

Joseph: I'm wavering a bit there.  I like the scenario Ash paints, and it makes perfect sense.  On the other hand, I'm reminded of PPS in Dice Mafia, where everything about how he claimed and what his role did was wrong, but he was town.  Joseph's actions outside of the role thing have not really been scummy.  And I really really don't like him choosing XP last night, and especially the reason for choosing XP (afraid of his role's scum utility?)  I don't know.. will support the lynch, but not my top choice.

Silverspawn:  I've gotten no scum vibe.. I've gotten a few townie vibes. 

Chairs: I've gotten zero vibes.  I don't like when he voted me.

Ichimaru: Most likely scum.  In addition to the trying-to-look-really-townie Day 1, the thing that pushes me is the cut-and-paste reaction to people's reads on him.  It just doesn't feel genuine.  Well, okay, I think I've felt this way before, and I think I was wrong there.  So, grain of salt, but I still think he's scum. 


Top choices are ADK, Ichimaru.. less so Joseph. 
Would not lynch e, Faust, and Silver and Ash are close to this area.
Others (Chairs, Awaclus) are open game.

I feel like there's a decent chance that someone coming out in my defense is scum.  For white knighting purposes.  I don't remember who they were.  Oh, another point against Joseph: I don't think he's really come out and taken any stances today on anything.  I recall a lot of neutral comments about anything that didn't concern his role.   

PPE: Not that Chairs vote for me.  I thought he already did earlier.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1162 on: March 19, 2015, 07:35:39 pm »

???

Can we just vote: WW and move on please.

Whyever would you want to do that?  And didn't you already do it?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1163 on: March 19, 2015, 07:45:28 pm »

Awaclus: Wow.. I don't remember much from him.  Someone reported strong town vibes.  Actually I think being sort of background is more of a town trait for him than a scum trait, so there's that.  But I may have it the other way around.  He was nice enough to explain it to us one game, but I've forgotten.

I've explained it in this game too. In regular games, I'm not the most active poster but pretty active as both town and scum. In RMMs, I've always been town and I've always lurked a lot since a lot of the stuff that's going on is something that I don't really have an opinion on.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1164 on: March 19, 2015, 07:52:19 pm »

Awaclus: Wow.. I don't remember much from him.  Someone reported strong town vibes.  Actually I think being sort of background is more of a town trait for him than a scum trait, so there's that.  But I may have it the other way around.  He was nice enough to explain it to us one game, but I've forgotten.

I've explained it in this game too. In regular games, I'm not the most active poster but pretty active as both town and scum. In RMMs, I've always been town and I've always lurked a lot since a lot of the stuff that's going on is something that I don't really have an opinion on.

I was thinking of the thing about your short posts, or whatever, that had come up one game, which would attribute to seeming in the background.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1165 on: March 19, 2015, 07:53:19 pm »

???

Can we just vote: WW and move on please.

Whyever would you want to do that?  And didn't you already do it?

Honestly? I feel like the conversation we're having right now about you is about as productive as the ones we've had in prior games about Joseph, where conversation about whether someone was or was not scummy was detracting from scumhunting in general.

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1166 on: March 19, 2015, 07:53:49 pm »

Am I at L-1? 
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D1!)
« Reply #1167 on: March 19, 2015, 07:59:49 pm »

Vote Count 2.ash

A Drowned Kernel (1): silverspawn
Witherweaver (4): A Drowned Kernel, Ichimaru Gin, faust, chairs
Ichimaru Gin (2): 2.7, Witherweaver
Joseph (2):ashersky, Awaclus


Not Voting (1): Joseph

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, March 25th at 3:30 PM.


Sorry for the colors -- Arch uses way too many color tags in his vote counts.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1168 on: March 19, 2015, 08:00:05 pm »

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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1169 on: March 19, 2015, 08:00:29 pm »

A mod should feel free to edit my post to have no colors, if that's bothersome to anyone.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1170 on: March 19, 2015, 08:00:54 pm »

I thought you moved back to me?
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1171 on: March 19, 2015, 08:04:08 pm »

Oh, I just thought of this: non-Hydrad scum team can be certain that I'm town, because I think we can all agree there's no scenario where I'm Hydrad's partner.  And Hydrad's partner obviously knows I'm town, so I'm a certain mislynch for scum.  Of note for wagon analysis.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1172 on: March 19, 2015, 08:43:42 pm »

I thought you moved back to me?

I don't think so.
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Re: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (D2!)
« Reply #1173 on: March 19, 2015, 08:58:27 pm »

Oh, I just thought of this: non-Hydrad scum team can be certain that I'm town, because I think we can all agree there's no scenario where I'm Hydrad's partner.  And Hydrad's partner obviously knows I'm town, so I'm a certain mislynch for scum.  Of note for wagon analysis.

Why does Hydrad's partner know that?
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« Reply #1174 on: March 19, 2015, 08:59:46 pm »

Oh, I just thought of this: non-Hydrad scum team can be certain that I'm town, because I think we can all agree there's no scenario where I'm Hydrad's partner.  And Hydrad's partner obviously knows I'm town, so I'm a certain mislynch for scum.  Of note for wagon analysis.

Why does Hydrad's partner know that?

Oh, you're right, from his perspective I could be on the other team.  So, one team can be sure.
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