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[A Drowned Kernel]

I do, however, give ADK scum points for giving the slip so much weight. As scum, I found that I have a strong tendency to believe "slips" in order not to appear scumy.

I'm saying it seems sincere to me. I'm not saying he couldn't have made that slip as scum. It just means we have to assume that his partner made that mistake as well, which seems a little more unlikely.

why does his partner have to have made a mistake in order for him to fake a townslip?

I'm talking about the situation where he honestly made the mistake but is still scum; if he and his partner both thought that they were their own scumteam.

[Witherweaver]

I do, however, give ADK scum points for giving the slip so much weight. As scum, I found that I have a strong tendency to believe "slips" in order not to appear scumy.

I'm saying it seems sincere to me. I'm not saying he couldn't have made that slip as scum. It just means we have to assume that his partner made that mistake as well, which seems a little more unlikely.

why does his partner have to have made a mistake in order for him to fake a townslip?

I'm talking about the situation where he honestly made the mistake but is still scum; if he and his partner both thought that they were their own scumteam.

Which is the more likely scenario, I think.  It's not the kind of thing you think about constructing, and even if you do, it came out in a pretty natural way while Ichi was talking.

[ashersky]

So we lynch based on reads. Have any you'd care to share?

popsquiz!:

1. 2.7 - nully town
2. A Drowned Kernel - towny scum
3. ashersky - IC
4. XerxesPraelor - scummish
5. Hydrad - null
6. Awaclus - nully scum
7. Faust - slight town
8. Joseph2302 - scummy town
9. Silverspawn - town
10. Witherweaver - towny scummy towny dude
11. chairs - town
12. Ichimaru Gin - scummy town

(Order of descriptions: IC > town > slight town > nully town > scummy town > null = towny scummy towny dude > nully scum > towny scum > scummish > scummy mcscumerson > scumdog millionaire > mcscumalot)

[Witherweaver]

I like towny scummy towny dude.  I'm going to do everything I can to maintain precisely that read.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm curious why everyone seems to have a town read on silver. What's up with that?

[silverspawn]

I'm curious why everyone seems to have a town read on silver. What's up with that?

I think that's great!

[Hydrad]

I like towny scummy towny dude.  I'm going to do everything I can to maintain precisely that read.

I'm equal with you! But I don't get a cool name.

[2.71828.....]

Ash is the first to claim IC?  I will give it to him.  unvote

But seriously, he is a fount of wisdom in this otherwise abysmally OMBUS-y thread.

None of you read the setup, because this is NOT multiball.

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I think anyone trying to push the multiball mindset on this game is scummy because it is purposefully misleading.  It is trying to get us thinking about scum in the wrong way, which will lead us down incorrect lines of reasoning.

I'm not sure we can go with scummy/not scummy based on claims.

Also, I was thinking about my whole reason for voting him, and referring back especially to the village mafia fiasco.  He had a plan, executed it, and we all died as scum.  I am now more of the opinion that scum!ash would have thought over and discussed mass claiming in his scum qt before the game and been much pushier about it than he was here.

[2.71828.....]

It's important for people to remember we have two scumteams here. I think faust is scum--and ADK not responding with any explanation for his vote on me feels bad also. It's also totally possible that some of the people jumping on the faust wagon are opportunistic scum from the opposite team though.

I just wanted to put this out here since I can feel myself having to break away from the one-team scumhunting logic that I'm used to.

This sets off scum alarms.

I agree

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.3

silverspawn (2): Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (2): ashersky, Ichimaru Gin
XerxesPraelor (2): Hydrad, Joseph
Ichimaru Gin (1): faust
faust (2): Awaclus, XerxesPraelor
Awaclus (2): silverspawn, chairs

Not Voting (1): 2.7

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 deadline is March 15th at 5:45 PM.

[Ichimaru Gin]

At some point, I think it would be a good idea to collectively decide one of my chosen lynches for tomorrow. Not everyone agrees with my reads, so I don't want to become useless and/or hurt my target just because people won't listen to me. SS is not in my lynch pool for now though.

[2.71828.....]

I like vote: WW.  He has been posting and active, but not said anything.  In fact, he has almost mildly stirred things up with the way he has posted.  Lets look at his posts after faust's big hooplah post.

This sets off scum alarms.

Public Service Announcement Post

Ichi is Mr. OMGUS, as either town or scum.

Putting Ichi into a category

Because when I played scum in a game where I believed there were two scum teams (Monster's U) I felt so much pressure to point it out.

But, eh, different situation here, so take it with a grain of salt.

Brings up a point as to why Ichi is could be scummy, then says "meh, who knows"

I actually agree that ADK sounds a bit forced here.

Adding fuel to the fire for our OMGUS discussion

I think "heated" is a bit of an exaggeration.  You don't sound all that unforced yourself.

More fuel

It feels a bit like you're trying to blow this into a "fight" when there really isn't much fighting going on.

More fuel

So what's your motivation/reasoning for voting someone in the middle of the town/scum utility spectrum?

Honest question, but doesn't really do anything with it

I've seen a lot of town players that are very meta-aware.  I think it's more of an individual trait than an alignment trait.  If I recall, you've used that kind of reasoning to push lynches against town!me before.

Public Service Announcement

Am I witnessing fake arguing?

What is the point of this question?  They are both scum?

It's not that terrible. I honestly can't figure out if you're being sincere or if you're grandstanding.

Setting people up for lynching

Yes, this is what I asked.  I have some ideas on this, but I want to hear Faust respond.

No value added with this comment

Man, if reading the setup is scummy, then reading the pregame mod discussions is, like, ultimate scum tell.

Making a joke.  But a joke about things being scummy. (don't get me wrong, I love a good joke in a mafia game.  I am not of the Robz school of thought that jokes should never happen)

Which is the more likely scenario, I think.  It's not the kind of thing you think about constructing, and even if you do, it came out in a pretty natural way while Ichi was talking.

Just commenting on stuff

I like towny scummy towny dude.  I'm going to do everything I can to maintain precisely that read.

No real value added here.

So, as you can see, plenty of posts, but nothing really to show for it.  Yeah, call it a gut feeling, but I think WW is scum.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think e might be on to something there.

[ashersky]

Is sheepy ADK towny or scummy?  I can't recall. 

Why am I voting him, anyway?

unvote

[ashersky]

I had an idea for an experiment, which I think would aid in the later stages of this game, but I'm sure you'll all just say I'm super scummy for it, so I think I shouldn't suggest it.

[2.71828.....]

I had an idea for an experiment, which I think would aid in the later stages of this game, but I'm sure you'll all just say I'm super scummy for it, so I think I shouldn't suggest it.

I know, I am talking myself into circles here.  But my read on you is a more holistic one at this point.  Your reaction to all the OMGUS, your claim, your general play.  I think you are town.

[silverspawn]

yeah, out with it

[Witherweaver]

I'm not.  But e's case is not really that bad.  Then again, it probably could be made of anyone here.

But the part about me not making anything of my question to Faust isn't fair, as Faust hasn't responded.  Thinking over it gave me an idea, but I want to hear what Faust has to say first.

[Ichimaru Gin]

But e's case is not really that bad.  Then again, it probably could be made of anyone here.

I don't buy that for a moment.

[Witherweaver]

Is sheepy ADK towny or scummy?  I can't recall. 

Why am I voting him, anyway?

unvote

My guess would be 60/40 scum/town.

[Witherweaver]

But e's case is not really that bad.  Then again, it probably could be made of anyone here.

I don't buy that for a moment.

Really?  Who has been a beacon of productive contribution?

[Ichimaru Gin]

But e's case is not really that bad.  Then again, it probably could be made of anyone here.

I don't buy that for a moment.

To clarify. I think it could be said of some others, but by no means all.

[ashersky]

Then again, it probably could be made of anyone here.

This is a PSA statement, which is funny, because that was the whole case.

Also, I like 2.7 saying "public service announcement."  I know we had a name for this in the past, though.  IIOA I think.

[Witherweaver]

Also, I mean, I obviously didn't read the setup carefully enough, so I should be an IC.

[ashersky]

yeah, out with it

Well, it's an attempt to out wifom scum, which in the end could be nothing or it could be something.  The idea would be for everyone to randomly choose another player on the player list and say who they would kill tonight if they were scum together.  Like, if I were scum with chairs, I'd kill faust, or whatever.

Why do this?  Well, it's funny, and different.  But actually, here's the thing: we get a number of things to analyze and a number of things scum has to try to balance/manipulate.  Here are a few:

--does scum lie or tell the truth about who they are partners with?
--does scum lie or tell the truth about who they would kill?
--which partner tells the truth/lies, because you can't have both say each other...but can you?
--when someone does die at night, we look back at this exercise...did scum coordinate based on random town pairings, or did they guess who was their partners, or something else?
--when we lynch scum, did they lie or tell the truth?

Basically, I got this idea when I was looking at this setup pre-game (I pmed Arch about some issues I thought might come up).  Scum wants to communicate somehow, but not get caught.  So I was thinking, how can we interfere so much that they just can't, and also could point fingers that they don't want pointed?  Well, one way of making sure communication fails is to flood the system, right?

And, to make it even harder to manipulate, or even more manipulated (and we have to think about it) -- the order could be determined by who people randomly choose.  I considered using dice to set up partners, but man as we all know DICE PLANS ARE TERRIBLE.

Anyway, it was an idea that I had floating around, and thought maybe it was worth mentioning.  But someone is going to say I'm just scum trying to communicate and cover it all up with some elaborate crazy plan.  (Even though it wouldn't work, which is the point).