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[XerxesPraelor]

Oh? thats good news.

now is it doctor XP actually saving someone? or scum XP going for a backup plan incase IG gets lynched.

Yes, it was. But perhaps IG isn't scum. Maybe you are. You and XP.

You are tunneling me.

[silverspawn]

Choose blindly? What you mean like randomly?

Seriously. It's obvious I'm the real cop and Hydrad counterclaimed me. Look back at my posts from yesterday where I talk about it.

PPE: 1

I'm leaning towards it, but I don't think it's "obvious" by any stretch. why is it obvious?

If Hydrad is scum, he played this really well with tunneling me during day 1 and then claiming a scum result on me.

@XP: well, again, if you're town, it was really good play, and I'm glad to be alive. But yeah, we're not lynching you today anyway.

[Hydrad]

Ok I'm just going to list my points again.

Point 1- You can see on day 2 I targeted SS heavily and on day 3 I hinted towards TA being a strong town read.

Point 2- You can see the moment I realize pyscho shot was in this game and my gameplay kinda changed. This one is hard for you to know if its true or not though.

Point 3- Faust who was scum just voted me and nothing more. In a cop vs fake cop situation I'm pretty sure scum is going to go for the mislynch in a mylo situation. In fact there were so close to getting it! IG had the chance and missed it by 5 minutes. If I fake claimed cop do you think my partners would jump on me like that? What would the point of fakeclaiming be if my team just instantly lynched me.

Point 4- IG's biggest reason that he says he is a cop is because he claimed before me. When I didn't even have a chance to claim before him.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Well. It's obvious to me at least. I've always felt town!me was very apparent, but after MM I'm a little less sure of that.

PPE: 1

[XerxesPraelor]

Hydrad is being convincing. Would IG care to do something similar or an offensive case on Hydrad?

[Seprix]

Oh? thats good news.

now is it doctor XP actually saving someone? or scum XP going for a backup plan incase IG gets lynched.

Yes, it was. But perhaps IG isn't scum. Maybe you are. You and XP.

You are tunneling me.

Not quite. Right now you're flavor of the hour, perhaps next hour I'll think about SS. I'm trying to make it all make sense.

[Seprix]

I want to hear your side here IG.

[Ichimaru Gin]

My response is coming.

[Hydrad]

Oh? thats good news.

now is it doctor XP actually saving someone? or scum XP going for a backup plan incase IG gets lynched.

Yes, it was. But perhaps IG isn't scum. Maybe you are. You and XP.

You are tunneling me.

Not quite. Right now you're flavor of the hour, perhaps next hour I'll think about SS. I'm trying to make it all make sense.

Its like 95% not SS.

Unless hes trolling us it really can't be him. If he was scum he had many times to win by killing me.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ok I'm just going to list my points again.

Point 1- You can see on day 2 I targeted SS heavily and on day 3 I hinted towards TA being a strong town read.

Point 2- You can see the moment I realize pyscho shot was in this game and my gameplay kinda changed. This one is hard for you to know if its true or not though.

Point 3- Faust who was scum just voted me and nothing more. In a cop vs fake cop situation I'm pretty sure scum is going to go for the mislynch in a mylo situation. In fact there were so close to getting it! IG had the chance and missed it by 5 minutes. If I fake claimed cop do you think my partners would jump on me like that? What would the point of fakeclaiming be if my team just instantly lynched me.

Point 4- IG's biggest reason that he says he is a cop is because he claimed before me. When I didn't even have a chance to claim before him.

1. Scum knew exactly what PR's town had. You could have easily planned that ahead of time--or simply tweaked your fakeclaim to reflect your behavior on earlier days (I actually see the latter as more likely).

2. This point hurts you. I'll repeat that the real cop absolutely pays attention to the setup and knows about the psychotrooper becuase they are always a part of the setup and affect your results. Furthermore your phrasing as haven "forgotten" about the psychotrooper is just nonsensical. Now I feel like you're including it and trying to build it into your fake argument because you know it can't be ignored now.

3. Faust didn't post once either before or after voting you--so I have no idea what he was thinking. It could have been a miscommunication or mistake on scum's part. Or some crazy gambit. This is your biggest weapon against me, so I don't know if it was planned, or you're simply using the mistake to your advantage.

4. I don't really classify any of my reasonings as "biggest". My argument is simply that scum always waits for the real cop to claim before counterclaiming. I could have easily had no useful results and you and your team could have pushed another mislynch. Regardless of whether you were there before or after me, you would have waited for me to claim first before fakeclaiming. Likewise, if I was scum, I would have waited to counterclaim you regardless of which of us showed up first.

PPE: 2

[Ichimaru Gin]

Hydrad is being convincing. Would IG care to do something similar or an offensive case on Hydrad?

I can easily see XP as the last partner.

[Hydrad]

Ok on your point 4 thats one thing I don't get.

In this game what cop is not going to claim on day 4. There is really no reason to wait until longer with this setup as if you get nightkilled or something you were usless. With this in mind there is really no reason to wait until the cop claims if scum was thinking of claiming.

[XerxesPraelor]

Do we know there's another partner. It could just be IG.

[Seprix]

Yeah, I think SS is town. But it IS the endgame here. I'd be a fool not to consider everyone besides Egork.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ok on your point 4 thats one thing I don't get.

In this game what cop is not going to claim on day 4. There is really no reason to wait until longer with this setup as if you get nightkilled or something you were usless. With this in mind there is really no reason to wait until the cop claims if scum was thinking of claiming.

What?

Yes. Scum knew I was going to claim D4. So if they're going to counterclaim the cop, that's the day to do it. However, it isn't necessary to counterclaim me if my results are useless. At the very least, they have a rolestopper, plus the likelihood that at least some of my results are on people who have died. So I don't really get what you're trying to say here. Scum is always going to claim second--because there is absolutely no reason for them to counterclaim me if my results don't incriminate them.

PPE: This is just crazy. Yes we know there's 3 scum; it's in the OP. These attacks on me are reaching a laughable point.

[Hydrad]

Do we know there's another partner. It could just be IG.

I'm pretty sure this setup has 3 scum gauranteed

[Hydrad]

Yeah, I think SS is town. But it IS the endgame here. I'd be a fool not to consider everyone besides Egork.

The only way it can be SS logically I think is if IG is town I guess. In that way SS didn't hammer me because he might be my partner.

But once you pick who to lynch and if you pick correctly and see that I'm town SS should pretty much be considered a IC.

[silverspawn]

Point 3- Faust who was scum just voted me and nothing more. In a cop vs fake cop situation I'm pretty sure scum is going to go for the mislynch in a mylo situation. In fact there were so close to getting it! IG had the chance and missed it by 5 minutes. If I fake claimed cop do you think my partners would jump on me like that? What would the point of fakeclaiming be if my team just instantly lynched me.

yeah, I do think that's one of the most important things that happened.

So, I'll try to look into it... probably going to retell some stuff that everyone already knows.

faust attempted to quicklynch you here. So, let's assume you are...

1. Town:
The scum team is faust & IG & ???

Playerlist (bold means was on the wagon):

XerxesPraelor
faust
Ichimaru Gin
Hydrad
Egork
Seprix
silverspawn


Timeline:
06:09:50 - I voted for Hydrad
06:14:55 - XP voted for Hydrad
06:50:39 - faust put Hydrad at L-1
06:55:31 - I unvote Hydrad
06:58:58 - IG comes back. his comment doesn't indicate disappointment about the failed quickhammer
08:46:39 - Seprix comes back

So, this is what this means:
At LyLo, it takes all scum + one town to quickhammer someone. I was the town. faust + IG were two of the scum, and XP either was the third scum or he was a second town; it doesn't matter because Seprix wasn't around. In both cases, faust put Hydrad at L-1 and hoped for IG to quickhammer, but IG couldn't because his internet died.


2. Scum:

Playerlist:

XerxesPraelor
faust
Ichimaru Gin
Hydrad
Egork
Seprix
silverspawn

Note that, IG was going to hammer Hydrad even in this scenario, he said so himself. So, what that means is, faust put his partner at L-1, in order to either give him towncred, or have IG hammer him and cut the day short. Which wouldn't be a big deal though, so basically he just did it for towncred.

Meh, that's not really anything we didn't already know. I was hoping that looking at it thoroughly would lead to some kind of result, but it doesn't even tell us anything about XP, he can be town and scum in both scenarios. Basically, the question is just, did faust attempt to quicklynch or to make us think Hydrad is town.

Well, the quicklynch narrative is really good. I think I'm leaning towards town!Hydrad now. Although that of course just proves that the narrative for a faust/Hydrad team is also good.

[Hydrad]

This is faust can't even do it for town cred. If IG is town then his results mean faust is scum.

[Hydrad]

Thing is faust can't even do it for town cred. If IG is town then his results mean faust is scum.

Thing is*

[Hydrad]

Oh wait. were you saying he did it as me having town cred?

That seems so extremely risky as if IG hammered there then the point of me "fake claiming cop" would of just don't nothing.

[silverspawn]

2. This point hurts you. I'll repeat that the real cop absolutely pays attention to the setup and knows about the psychotrooper becuase they are always a part of the setup and affect your results. Furthermore your phrasing as haven "forgotten" about the psychotrooper is just nonsensical. Now I feel like you're including it and trying to build it into your fake argument because you know it can't be ignored now.

urg, this is actually a really good point

[silverspawn]

Oh wait. were you saying he did it as me having town cred?

yeah

That seems so extremely risky as if IG hammered there then the point of me "fake claiming cop" would of just don't nothing.

*would just have done

but... yes, I didn't even think of that, but if IG hammered you then giving you town cred doesn't do anything. duh.

[silverspawn]

actually, this makes the faust/Hydrad narrative crumble.

[Ichimaru Gin]

actually, this makes the faust/Hydrad narrative crumble.

Which is exactly what faust wanted.