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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #500 on: December 26, 2014, 09:05:47 pm »

I don't think I'm a very good lynch.

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« Reply #501 on: December 26, 2014, 09:19:36 pm »

I haven't seen anything bad about silverspawn.
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #502 on: December 26, 2014, 11:01:05 pm »

Re-read him.  All posts are designed to ensure they say zilch about his alignment.  It's scumbterfuge.
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« Reply #503 on: December 27, 2014, 01:02:48 am »

Vote: EgorK

I've made my decision. Any lynch is better than no lynch, odds-wise. Lurkers tend to be anti-town, whether he lurks or not. He gives little value to the discussion, and either way will be of minimal loss if he is in fact town. It sucks, but the real criminals of Sudgy and Faust are going free. I'm 100% positive they are both scum.
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« Reply #504 on: December 27, 2014, 01:07:20 am »

Re-read him.  All posts are designed to ensure they say zilch about his alignment.  It's scumbterfuge.

This is true, but not particularly out of character for Silver. I also don't think he'd want to draw this much attention (re: fake name voting) to himself as scum.  Sure scum can do that to make that defense, but it's a gutsy move.  It's hard to play in the spotlight as scum.
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« Reply #505 on: December 27, 2014, 01:08:51 am »

I'm warming up to a Seprix lynch now.

Unfortunately that makes me warm down on EgorK.
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #506 on: December 27, 2014, 02:03:36 am »

14 hours to go.  I probably won't be around at deadline, as that's 8 a.m. tomorrow.
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #507 on: December 27, 2014, 02:06:51 am »

Joseph2302 (4) : faust, Hydrad, sudgy, A Drowned Kernel
EgorK (4) : Joseph2302, Witherweaver, Awaclus, Sexprix


The deadline for Day 1 will be Saturday, December 27 at 6:30 pm forum time.

Here's the latest.  EgorK is on Seprix, I'm on Silverspawn.  Silverspawn and Chairs are not voting.

We can't count on lurker!chairs to vote at all, and superscumsilverspawn (also known as 4s) is only voting for fake names.

So unless some wagon members switch, we aren't lynching anyone, even if EgorK and I voted for the same person.

Welcome to reason #32354090243232 that both lurking and what 4s is doing is scummy.
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #508 on: December 27, 2014, 02:10:59 am »

I will only switch if it's needed within, like, the last five minutes before deadline.
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #509 on: December 27, 2014, 03:43:11 am »

vote: silverspawn

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« Reply #510 on: December 27, 2014, 04:34:16 am »

Vote count please?

I would switch to ensure lynch. I would be more ok with switching to Joseph than chairs
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #511 on: December 27, 2014, 05:27:08 am »

I'm okay-ish with Egor, but there are so many scummy people on that wagon. Can't we just lynch Joseph? That will give tons of information, and we'll likely have an investigation result by tomorrow.
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #512 on: December 27, 2014, 05:30:21 am »

Oh, and eh, we're not lynching silver. It would be helpful if ash and chairs could switch to where their vote does something.

Another plus about lynching Joseph: No accidental PR lynch. (Okay, intentional PR lynch, but there are much worse PRs to be lynched)
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #513 on: December 27, 2014, 05:33:11 am »

Vote: EgorK

I've made my decision. Any lynch is better than no lynch, odds-wise. Lurkers tend to be anti-town, whether he lurks or not. He gives little value to the discussion, and either way will be of minimal loss if he is in fact town. It sucks, but the real criminals of Sudgy and Faust are going free. I'm 100% positive they are both scum.

100% positive? That's pretty certain for your first game ever here, on the first day.
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #514 on: December 27, 2014, 06:27:07 am »

To get a lynch through I'll also vote for egork. I think hes kinda scummy anyways
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« Reply #515 on: December 27, 2014, 06:43:20 am »

To get a lynch through I'll also vote for egork. I think hes kinda scummy anyways

Any case or gut feelings?
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« Reply #516 on: December 27, 2014, 07:39:19 am »

To get a lynch through I'll also vote for egork. I think hes kinda scummy anyways

Better stay on Joseph for a bit. I haven't given up on getting this lynch yet.
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #517 on: December 27, 2014, 08:21:11 am »

I'm okay-ish with Egor, but there are so many scummy people on that wagon.
That's actually true. Awaclus, Joseph, and Seprix are all on there.

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« Reply #518 on: December 27, 2014, 08:29:16 am »

I changed my mind. Not lynching EgorK. Let's lynch lurkers in the next game or something.

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« Reply #519 on: December 27, 2014, 08:33:17 am »

I'm okay-ish with Egor, but there are so many scummy people on that wagon.
That's actually true. Awaclus, Joseph, and Seprix are all on there.

Seprix is the only one on that list who is scummy though. And he agrees with me, so he must be town despite being scummy.
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #520 on: December 27, 2014, 08:58:04 am »

I have exactly one town read on each wagon.  Still sitting at 4/4...
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« Reply #521 on: December 27, 2014, 09:15:13 am »

Instead, look at what Seprix is doing.

He is starting by acting like he thinks we're not serious about this game. Okay, this could be genuine. But it could also be coached. Note that he put ashersky on L-1 pretty early

Vote: ashersky

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Here he explains the stuff. I mean, I don't know, but that was 150 posts in. Did he really not notice that we were taking this game seriously until then? I'm not so sure I buy that.

Here he says we should simulate games in order to find out if lynching is worth it, and with that begins a trend to make ridiculous posts that make no sense.

He votes sudgy with a weak case, which is whatever. noobies try to contribute, so they search for reasons to vote.

Says he is positive sudgy and faust are both scum based on some post. What's weird about this is his confidence, otherwise it's okay.

Here he jumps on the faust wagon after Awaclus makes... ehh not even really a case. He just says he thinks faust is scummy.

This is a good one. He is positive that faust and sudgy are scum based on the words they have posted. amazing reason.

I do. I have this theory that Sudgy and Faust are both scum based on their words that they've posted. Sudgy voted for Faust then immediately switched his vote mid post to someone else, making me think that Faust and Sudgy are both scum.

And the case is of course insane, he switched mid post, so it was obviously intentional.

Okay, here it starts to really get weird. "Let's do faust this day". That implies that he has already set his mind on whom to lynch. We're 200 posts in and this is his first game, so that's just crazy. Plus, he's tunneling one of the towniest players around.

Well, now he says there isn't much to read yet, and that he's sticking on faust "unless something else happens that's nuts". This is totally inconsistent.

Next we have this post about which I already commented that it makes no sense. He's saying we shouldn't lynch based on guesses, but instead lynch whom we all think is scum. But that's guessing too, plus you never all think someone is scum. Also it's incoherent with his tunneling of faust, because few people at that point thought faust was scum.

Makes a post protecting Joseph with a very flawed argument. Okay, he could just not really know the setup. His reason is whatever. Let's just remember that he protected Joseph.

Faust explains him why his argument made no sense, and he responds by OMGUS voting him, even though he was tunneling him already. I hereby declare faust an IC.

This is golden. He asks doctors to claim, which is as anti town as it gets.

Next is this

You can't make an argument for anybody though. There's no reason not to lynch me, you, and your mom. Everyone knows whether they are scum or not, and that's all you know. We can call Joseph on his BS next day if he's BSing. So, to put it simply, Joseph is the only possible lead we have right now. Faust wants Joseph dead, and since I think that keeping Joseph alive for a day is very important to this investigation, I think that Faust is scum for wanting to hinder what we have going here. That's my reasoning.

what?

Next he says if the setup stuff is really like the dubilidu, then we should lynch Joseph, even though he just stated that he thinks Joseph is innocent three posts prior. Again, inconsistent.

And now... huh? He makes this post, which is totally reasonable. Out of character for him, but town points for that.

And this:
Egork and Sudgy, you're both acting very scummy. We can't dive into bitter arguments and accusations. Joseph is all but innocent, because he has everything to lose and nothing to gain by claiming PR role so quickly, and I am inclined to believe Silverspawn's analysis, which confirms pro-town stance for him in my eyes too. As for everyone else, ADK, Awaclus, Wither, Hydrad, Chairs, and Ashersky all seem neutral or scummy and towny at the same time.

Faust still seems like a lynch for me, but I'm starting to question my reasoning for the lynch right now, so I'd say he's probably safe right now. Egork has been lurking most of the time, but he usually does that. Sudgy did post the post that made me think he and Faust were scum, and since Sudgy is still thought of as scum for me, I think I'm going to revote for Vote: Sudgy as of now.

At the very least, it's inconsistent to say Joseph is "all but innocent". I'd argue that it's also inconsistent to trust in my reread, although he could just have changed his mind. And look, he says Egork is scummy but then he says egork always lurks in the same post. what?

Joseph is innocent again.

lol

and then this

Vote: EgorK

I've made my decision. Any lynch is better than no lynch, odds-wise. Lurkers tend to be anti-town, whether he lurks or not. He gives little value to the discussion, and either way will be of minimal loss if he is in fact town. It sucks, but the real criminals of Sudgy and Faust are going free. I'm 100% positive they are both scum.

and that's it

The case:

-> he has voted for faust, Egork and sudgy. None of these is scummy.
-> he has changed his opinion about Joseph multiple times
-> he's super inconsistent in just about everything
-> he asked doctors to claim
-> all of his cases are weak
-> he is really, really inconsistent

Forget all of my prior reads. Seprix is scum. Joseph is scum. Awaclus could be scum too. I feel even better about this with how Seprix interacted with Awaclus and Joseph. Egork, sudgy and most importantly faust are town, and I'm inclined to say ashersky is town too, just becaues Seprix put him at L-1.

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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #522 on: December 27, 2014, 09:29:04 am »

Huh. The case against Seprix is better than I thought. Maybe I'm just wrong about faust and sudgy then.

Vote: Seprix
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Re: M55: Mafia Holiday! - Day 1 - PM for speccy
« Reply #523 on: December 27, 2014, 09:30:23 am »

And yet s4 doesn't vote for him!!!
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« Reply #524 on: December 27, 2014, 10:05:46 am »

And yet s4 doesn't vote for him!!!

unfathomable!!!
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