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[ashersky]

I'd bet money Robz can guess what I'm talking about.

[Beyond Awesome]

I need to know one thing. Does every player have to push the button? If even a single player does not push the button does that mean the plan won't work?

[ashersky]

I need to know one thing. Does every player have to push the button? If even a single player does not push the button does that mean the plan won't work?

Depends on who doesn't push the button.  My plan involves everyone pushing the button.  There are other ways to use my power, but they would be impossible to pull off.  Having everyone, including all scum, do something, seems impossible enough.

[Beyond Awesome]

I need to know one thing. Does every player have to push the button? If even a single player does not push the button does that mean the plan won't work?

Depends on who doesn't push the button.  My plan involves everyone pushing the button.  There are other ways to use my power, but they would be impossible to pull off.  Having everyone, including all scum, do something, seems impossible enough.

Okay, do all town players have to push the button for the plan to work?

[ashersky]

I need to know one thing. Does every player have to push the button? If even a single player does not push the button does that mean the plan won't work?

Depends on who doesn't push the button.  My plan involves everyone pushing the button.  There are other ways to use my power, but they would be impossible to pull off.  Having everyone, including all scum, do something, seems impossible enough.

Okay, do all town players have to push the button for the plan to work?

If all town players push the button and no scum players push the button, that would be the best thing ever.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, I have quickly reread Teproc. Lots of things stand out to me. He appears very towny. He has a strong sense of flavor of Lost. He also seems to keep the game on track. Also, he blasts down Ash's ideas. And, in hindsight never the no lynch nor L-1 were good ideas. Also, he suspected Hydrad and WW of being scum.

After the reinoe lynch, I had been thinking that Ash could be scum. His plans aren't all that great this game. People are just following his lame plans blindly (okay, I did follow the L-1 thing, but I thought we might have time). Also, reinoe claims that scum was instigating his lynch and Ash seemed perfectly fine getting the ball rolling on a reinoe lynch. I would not be surprised if reinoe actually was telling the truth just to mess with us. Also, both Hydrad and WW voted for reinoe with WW hammering.

I know Ash claims to have some revelation but until I see it, for now Vote: Ash

I have to reread Hydrad and WW to see why Teproc was so suspicious of them, but I can see the WW hammer as WW trying to distance himself from reinoe and look towny when reinoe flipped scum. Yes, I am actually willing to believe the words of dying scum this game. We saw how crazy and brash reinoe's play style was, and how he throws fits.

Vote: Beyond Awesome

[Beyond Awesome]

And, what if a town player does not push the button? Then what? Can your plan still work?

[Witherweaver]

Also, I didn't really get the impression that WW was overly suspicious of me.

I'm okay with following Ash's plan.

[Witherweaver]

When I said "WW" there I meant "Teproc".

[Witherweaver]

Also, uh, it should be like accepted fact that I'm not on Reinoe's faction.  I mean maybe I could have been his partner and got super pissed off at him, but that's gotta be pretty low on people's possibilities.  Unless Reinoe was playing some serious WIFOM, we can probably assume he only has one (known) partner (could be an uknown Traitor), and quickhammering your own partner halfway through D1 is unlikely enough, but to do it to your only partner is just not going to happen.

[Beyond Awesome]

Also, I didn't really get the impression that WW was overly suspicious of me.

I'm okay with following Ash's plan.

I'm not. Ash is essentially telling town PRs not to do anything tonight while scum can take whatever actions they like. He even says it is best for all of town to press the button and all of scum not to push the button, meaning scum factions get whatever kills in, no doctoring, no investigating, and no whatever else town may be able to do.

[Beyond Awesome]

Also, uh, it should be like accepted fact that I'm not on Reinoe's faction.  I mean maybe I could have been his partner and got super pissed off at him, but that's gotta be pretty low on people's possibilities.  Unless Reinoe was playing some serious WIFOM, we can probably assume he only has one (known) partner (could be an uknown Traitor), and quickhammering your own partner halfway through D1 is unlikely enough, but to do it to your only partner is just not going to happen.

The Others are a pretty large faction on the show. I have no reason to suspect he just had one partner.

[ashersky]

Also, I didn't really get the impression that WW was overly suspicious of me.

I'm okay with following Ash's plan.

I'm not. Ash is essentially telling town PRs not to do anything tonight while scum can take whatever actions they like. He even says it is best for all of town to press the button and all of scum not to push the button, meaning scum factions get whatever kills in, no doctoring, no investigating, and no whatever else town may be able to do.

These are good issues to have with the plan.  When you hear why, you may (or may not) change your mind.

[Witherweaver]

Also, I didn't really get the impression that WW was overly suspicious of me.

I'm okay with following Ash's plan.

I'm not. Ash is essentially telling town PRs not to do anything tonight while scum can take whatever actions they like. He even says it is best for all of town to press the button and all of scum not to push the button, meaning scum factions get whatever kills in, no doctoring, no investigating, and no whatever else town may be able to do.

I believe Ash took this into account, and that he's not doing this as scum for a scum benefit.

[Witherweaver]

Also, uh, it should be like accepted fact that I'm not on Reinoe's faction.  I mean maybe I could have been his partner and got super pissed off at him, but that's gotta be pretty low on people's possibilities.  Unless Reinoe was playing some serious WIFOM, we can probably assume he only has one (known) partner (could be an uknown Traitor), and quickhammering your own partner halfway through D1 is unlikely enough, but to do it to your only partner is just not going to happen.

The Others are a pretty large faction on the show. I have no reason to suspect he just had one partner.

His comment about multiball.  This was the exact same conclusion Teproc and I came to in MU when we were the only Mafia in our QT.  (In that case, we were incorrect as we had a Traitor.)

[Robz888]

Also, uh, it should be like accepted fact that I'm not on Reinoe's faction.  I mean maybe I could have been his partner and got super pissed off at him, but that's gotta be pretty low on people's possibilities.  Unless Reinoe was playing some serious WIFOM, we can probably assume he only has one (known) partner (could be an uknown Traitor), and quickhammering your own partner halfway through D1 is unlikely enough, but to do it to your only partner is just not going to happen.

I concur. Because if WW hadn't hammered, I think there was high likelihood reinoe doesn't get lynched at all, which is 1000X better for reinoe's faction. The cover of having been the hammerer isn't enough of an advantage to do it, this being role madness and all.

I also think Beyond Awesome's argument against ash is nonsensical and a bit aggressive. Looks scummy to me.

We shouldn't say "Ash isn't scum because Desmond isn't an Other." Jin (reinoe) isn't an Other on the show, either.

Still, I'm inclined to continue trusting ash for now and will go along with his plan. I can't guess what all of us pushing the button does. Possibly it supercharges Ash in some way.

[Robz888]

Oh, I did forget pushing the button voids your PR... well, okay. We need to hear what us all doing it accomplishes.

[ashersky]

Oh, I did forget pushing the button voids your PR... well, okay. We need to hear what us all doing it accomplishes.

Your guess was close!

I have to jet, but will explain the rest in an hour or so.

[A Drowned Kernel]

It's really hard to know what to make of the "my partners bussed me!" comment, but the fact that scum killed off-wagon probably supports it.

[ashersky]

Is it possible Teproc was a lightning rod?

[ashersky]

Anyway, here's the rest of it:

I have the key to the fail-safe.  Tonight, I can trigger it, causing some purple-sky-style things to happen.

Triggering the fail-safe causes a discharge.  There are side effects, depending on who pressed the button.

Also, if I trigger the fail-safe, the button is no longer in play.

[Witherweaver]

Is it possible Teproc was a lightning rod?

I'm not sure Teproc was really killed by every faction.  It's possible the flavor is just misleading here.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Is it possible Teproc was a lightning rod?

I'm not sure Teproc was really killed by every faction.  It's possible the flavor is just misleading here.

I agree with this. Apart from the influence of some other power, the odds of 3 factions all hitting Teproc seems incredibly unlikely. I know nothing of the flavor, but does it look likely we have 3 factions + town here? I guess with this many people, that could be the case.

[ashersky]

But three killing factions?  Assuming bad protection luck...

D1: 17 - 1 = 16
N1: 16 - 3 = 13
D2: 13 - 1 = 12
N2: 12 - 3 = 9
D3: 9 - 1 = 8
N3: 8 - 3 = 5

If someone hasn't won by then, that's still pretty rough.  It's hard to balance 3 kills.  That's why I wondered about lightning rods as a possible balancing power.

[Robz888]

But three killing factions?  Assuming bad protection luck...

D1: 17 - 1 = 16
N1: 16 - 3 = 13
D2: 13 - 1 = 12
N2: 12 - 3 = 9
D3: 9 - 1 = 8
N3: 8 - 3 = 5

If someone hasn't won by then, that's still pretty rough.  It's hard to balance 3 kills.  That's why I wondered about lightning rods as a possible balancing power.

Sure, but, his role was revealed and it wasn't Lightning Rod.

I actually think Teproc was very pro-townie and very town seeming, so I don't think it so crazy that all three would target him. But possibly I'm wrong.