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[faust]

Jimmmm could have been shot, and commuted.  SK could have used an ability instead of shooting; that ability could have blocked a Mafia kill. 

I still think Eevee is more likely SK than Mafia.  I was going more Town because of the Roleblocking/Jailkeeping issue, but there is the Strongman thing.

I think Jimmmmm implicated not having use his shot (we could have him confirm, I guess). I can't imagine why a SK would want to use an ability.

Yeah.. they may have strongly suspected being targeted (shooting or investigated) that night for whatever reason. 

I didn't get the impression that Jimmmm implied one way or the other.

Jimmm, want to share?

Edit: Yeah I can see the point, but maybe it could help us lynch correctly today.

Remember this thing where Jimmmmm told us how he thought about fake-claiming Detective? I got the impression that his plan only really made sense if he could still commute.

[Eevee]

I don't think we should speculate. I echo being interested in what Jimm thinks, though.

[Witherweaver]

Eevee just wondering. You were originally on the IG wagon. I don't know if you've stated your ideas on the wagon. did you get a towny vibe from it or scummy?

Honestly, I don't remember voting for IG. The whole "lynched or not lynched" episode happened when I was offline. I'm pretty sure my vote at the time was just a pressure vote, vote to make him feel the heat and give us information.

I'm a big proponent of lynch mafia not scum. Just because IG appears scummy, we don't have to lynch him if the scum narrative doesn't add up. I'm not sure it does here. One big issue I have is why wouldn't he fakeclaim if he was scum? The other is that everyone is so gung-ho against him.

Honestly, maybe he is scummier than your average person, but not my ideal lynch choise for today if we are only factoring in the chance to hit scum. There is of course the fact that anyone who has been near lynched is going to be an informational lynch, were he to flip scum we could more or less absolve the first attackers for example.

So, I don't know. I find the wagon, especially joth, a bit over-eager.

This was my first reason for voting for Eevee.  I still find this post really scummy.  I can see this post int he context of Eevee thinking Ichi might be his unknown partner. 

Also, sidenote.  We decided that after Ichi claimed, Mafia team can only know Ichi is lying, not that he isn't SK.  How does Mafia react to this?  Do they conclude SK doesn't make sense so conclude Ichi is their partner, or do they maintain doubt?  Faust concluded Mafia knows Ichi is Traitor and would not bus him.  In particular, Faust was arguing Eevee being not Mafia (which he is now arguing the other way).  What was it that changed your mind about that, Faust?

[Eevee]

That is a scummy post WW, but I'm sure you noticed how my views changed from that.

[Witherweaver]

That is a scummy post WW, but I'm sure you noticed how my views changed from that.

"Wow, that was really scummy, I better be more careful in the future!"

[Eevee]

That is a scummy post WW, but I'm sure you noticed how my views changed from that.

"Wow, that was really scummy, I better be more careful in the future!"

"Wow, sadly my read on IG wavered at times. Good thing I saw the light before it was too late, though."

[Witherweaver]

"Too late" to earn town cred?

[Eevee]

"Too late" to earn town cred?

Come on. I went after him very hard already the day before he got lynched, and yesterday I stayed on the wagon right from when it was formed.

[Witherweaver]

Let's talk Ash bussing Hydrad viability.

[Witherweaver]

He was decidedly null on him for a long time.

[Eevee]

It sounds so crazy. Why would he not just go for Jimm?

[Witherweaver]

It sounds so crazy. Why would he not just go for Jimm?

Yeah, that's the problem.  But maybe for this?  Ash has a pretty long history of not bussing his partners (which he has brought up before).

[Eevee]

It sounds so crazy. Why would he not just go for Jimm?

Yeah, that's the problem.  But maybe for this?  Ash has a pretty long history of not bussing his partners (which he has brought up before).

I feel you are grasping at straws. Sure, it could be ash, of course. Is that more likely than it being faust? No.

[Witherweaver]

It sounds so crazy. Why would he not just go for Jimm?

Yeah, that's the problem.  But maybe for this?  Ash has a pretty long history of not bussing his partners (which he has brought up before).

I feel you are grasping at straws. Sure, it could be ash, of course. Is that more likely than it being faust? No.

That's kind of the point of going through this exercise. 

[Witherweaver]

Faust Day 1 reads post:

Doing a complete reread.

Reads from this, town to scum:

faust

silverspawn - VT claim. I kind of don't think he would do that if he had a partner, so if he's scum, it's either Traitor or SK. That's enough to make me not want to lynch him today.
Ichimaru - suggests silverspawn is lying. I somehow don't think scum does that... thinks maybe, but doesn't post stuff like that. It's not good for town to post it, but I think it's more likely to come from town. His defensiveness and unwillingness to claim does not point towards him being scum for me.

joth - the vote on Ichi was sheepy. Seems a bit careless and I believe that's more likely to come from town.
ADK - starts SK hunting. Overall his posts seem like genuine scumhunting to me though.
Eevee - after all the Ichi craziness, says his flip will provide information... that is always a somewhat scummy motive for a lynch. Sheeps my WW case, which isn't a huge red flag, because obviously it was a really good case. Overall, I agree with him a lot. Slight town.

Jimmmmm - vote silver because VT claim is "not good". That is the only thing I put down. Not good, much lurking.
hydrad - asks what JK means, some scum points for that. Not much else, pretty null overall.

ashersky - says he has a plan, then doesn't. Seems a bit like emulating his town meta here. It also takes a long time for him to get into real scumhunting, not sure what that means.

xerxes - is super careless, almost in a mail-mi way sheeping people (and admitting that it's sheeping)... this could be fake. His L-1 on Ichi looks constructed.
witherweaver - lots of jokes early. In general, I don't quite buy his suspicion of Ichi, and a lot of his posts feel like he's twisting people's words instead of looking for scum. Gets defensive when people (hydrad) revisit my case on him.

So WW and Xerxes seem like the best options here. Don't want to lynch ashersky really, but I hope we'll get more from him when his VLA ends. I could do Jimmmmm or Hydrad. Other lynches are not so good.

I'm keeping my vote on WW for now, to see where this is going. Willing to change to Xerxes later.

Hydrad comfortably in the middle "some scum points".  Could do him, but he's not in any danger of getting lynched (no one even voted for him Day 1, I think).  Top scum reads are two town players (myself and Xerxes), other option is conftown!Jimmm. 

[Witherweaver]

Well, that one post by Eevee was just about the only thing I found scummy about him Day 1.  Have to look more at Hydrad interactions form Day 2. (Those should be more informative, since Ichi knew Mafia but Mafia did not know Ichi.)  At any rate, I'm having trouble seeing Eevee as Mafia.

Request prod on Jimmmmmmm

Also, early Day 2:

On wagon NK could mean more scum off.

Off wagon of XP was:
Witherweaver, ashersky, XerxesPraelor,  Jimmmmm, Faust.

Eevee was on the XP wagon (with scum Ichi, Hydrad and town Silver, Joth, ADK).

Technically Ash was correct since one of {Ash, Faust} has to be scum, but I think Ash was more thinking Mafia than SK. 

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 4.1

Eevee (1): faust

Not Voting (5): Eevee, ashersky, faust, witherweaver, Jimmmmm

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The deadline for Day 4 will be Tuesday, November 4, at 5:00 PM forum time.

Can the Mafia Roleblocker block and kill in the same night?</b>

yes.  I couldn't find yuma's original intent concerning the issue anywhere in the setup info or mod qt, so I made the executive decision to play it that way.

Request prod on Jimmmmmmm

sent

[Jimmmmm]

Yeah I'm here. We still have time.

[Witherweaver]

Yeah I'm here. We still have time.

I know, I just want to know what you think of things.

[ashersky]

Let's actually break it down.

Eevee, ashersky, faust, witherweaver, Jimmmmm

Jimmmmm is confirmed town.

For him, it's a 50% chance of hitting a scum player.  For the rest of us, 66.6666666% chance.

Only possible scum: {Eevee, ashersky, faust, witherweaver}

For me, only possible scum: {Eevee, faust, witherweaver}

I have a strong town read on WW (so does everyone else, which is scary, and of course an SK can be a town read since they're kind of like a town vig that turns on us), which leaves Eevee and Faust.

I strongly believed Eevee was mafia since the end of D2, given Eevee's role in the Hydrad/Jimmmmm day end.
Faust comes out looking very bad considering the end of D3 and his vehement defense of Ichimaru.

I see arguments for both.

Eevee looks slightly townier after last night, because I do think Silver would have jailed him given his reads.  However, we don't know if the strongman came into play or the roleblock came into play.  There's the small chance Silver jailed me again, I guess, given the missing kill on N1 theory.  I don't see him jailing WW or faust and it wouldn't work on Jimmmmm.

Still, just looking at the players who can be scum and I'm looking at Eevee/faust.

The other non-Jimmmmms can do the same thing.

[faust]

Can the Mafia Roleblocker block and kill in the same night?</b>

yes.  I couldn't find yuma's original intent concerning the issue anywhere in the setup info or mod qt, so I made the executive decision to play it that way.

Okay. This makes all theories with "Eevee can't be Mafia because he would have been blocked" moot, yes?

[Witherweaver]

Can the Mafia Roleblocker block and kill in the same night?</b>

yes.  I couldn't find yuma's original intent concerning the issue anywhere in the setup info or mod qt, so I made the executive decision to play it that way.

Okay. This makes all theories with "Eevee can't be Mafia because he would have been blocked" moot, yes?

Yes.

[faust]

Eevee is voting for me, right? The vote count is wrong.

[faust]

On ashersky's request:

I think Eevee must be scum. I can find no other reasonable explanation for what happened N2. It doesn't help that he acted plenty scummy towards us lynching Ichi ("I will support this lynch to prove that I am town"), and he came out strongly in defense of Hydrad.

WW looks townie, but SKs can look townie for sure.

ash is more implicated as scum through the missing night kill N1 combined with him being jailed. I also felt that his effort to lynch Ichi over silver yesterday could easily be a grab for town cred. The silver lies scenario was one where we had no SK, yes? So the SK would know that it's false.

Overall, it's Eevee >>>> ash > WW for me. If Eevee doesn't flip mafia, I might want to reconsider ash/WW, otherwise my vote is Eevee for mafia, ash for SK.

[Eevee]

I didn't push Ichi to gain town cred. I pushed him to lynch mafia which I thought would also help clear my name.