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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #550 on: April 10, 2014, 01:43:54 pm »

I'd vote for it. I say drop the pretense and remove 'related' altogether. A proposal should pass or fail entirely based on its merits and popular consensus. You can propose a whole encyclopedia if you think people will vote for it. No need to impose a subjective and artificial constraint.

As it stands right now, either you contort your idea to fit in one rule, or else suspend the rule, which is annoying and slow. I mean I'm glad the rule suspension system exists, but I don't think it needs to be used every time a meatier proposal comes around. Just vote it down if you don't like it, or discuss what parts you don't like.

To summarize, allowing multiple rule changes will promote free expression, democracy, and cute puppies throughout the world

This!

I also support simple majority.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #551 on: April 10, 2014, 01:51:41 pm »

Sudgy - does "voted on as one" mean "voted on simultaneously" or "voted on as a group, as if just one proposal were on the table"?

The latter.

Could everybody state their opinions on whether it should be a simple majority or 2/3?  I prefer simple, but if everybody wants 2/3 I'll go that way.
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   Quote from: sudgy on June 31, 2011, 11:47:46 pm

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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #552 on: April 10, 2014, 04:08:39 pm »

Seems like most people are for simple. I am fine with both.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #553 on: April 10, 2014, 07:09:15 pm »

I'm fine with both.

I want to say in advance: if you try to add multiple features to the rules in one turn, then I'll (most likely) vote "no". I only support this rule to allow adding/changing multiple rules to add one new feature, and when it's easier to do that when it's not cramped into one rule.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #554 on: April 10, 2014, 07:48:06 pm »

Another Draft Proposal (should be the final one):

Amend rule 331 to:

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A player may propose one or more rule changes on their turn.  All proposed rule changes are voted on as if it was one rule change.  Proposing one or more rule-changes is a "mandatory" action during the turn.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #555 on: April 10, 2014, 11:18:25 pm »

I'd vote for it. I say drop the pretense and remove 'related' altogether. A proposal should pass or fail entirely based on its merits and popular consensus. You can propose a whole encyclopedia if you think people will vote for it. No need to impose a subjective and artificial constraint.

As it stands right now, either you contort your idea to fit in one rule, or else suspend the rule, which is annoying and slow. I mean I'm glad the rule suspension system exists, but I don't think it needs to be used every time a meatier proposal comes around. Just vote it down if you don't like it, or discuss what parts you don't like.

To summarize, allowing multiple rule changes will promote free expression, democracy, and cute puppies throughout the world

not to mention infinite new episodes of Dr. Who!
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #556 on: April 10, 2014, 11:22:07 pm »

Another Draft Proposal (should be the final one):

Amend rule 331 to:

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A player may propose one or more rule changes on their turn.  All proposed rule changes are voted on as if it was one rule change.  Proposing one or more rule-changes is a "mandatory" action during the turn.

Just to clarify - the current rule re: multiple changes stipulates "A player may propose up to three rule-changes in a single turn if all such rule-changes are either repeals or transmutations".  I know that's not your intention here, so would it be helpful to specify that any kinds of rule changes are allowed?
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #557 on: April 11, 2014, 12:22:11 am »

Another Draft Proposal (should be the final one):

Amend rule 331 to:

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A player may propose one or more rule changes on their turn.  All proposed rule changes are voted on as if it was one rule change.  Proposing one or more rule-changes is a "mandatory" action during the turn.

Just to clarify - the current rule re: multiple changes stipulates "A player may propose up to three rule-changes in a single turn if all such rule-changes are either repeals or transmutations".  I know that's not your intention here, so would it be helpful to specify that any kinds of rule changes are allowed?

I could say "...propose one or more rule changes of any type..." and later have a clause that it overrides that rule.
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   Quote from: sudgy on June 31, 2011, 11:47:46 pm

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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #558 on: April 11, 2014, 12:24:52 am »

I can't be bothered checking, but is unanimity still required for transmutations? If so, have you considered what happens if different proposed rules require different amounts of votes to pass?
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #559 on: April 12, 2014, 09:52:58 pm »

Maybe copy some wording from rule 303 in this rule? Specifically:

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These rule-changes will be voted on together and will either be all approved or all rejected. The number of votes required for approval will be the minimum required for a single proposed rule-change.
(the first line is mostly covered already in your proposal, but the second line may be good to make explicit)

Also, I think it's time for your final proposal...
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #560 on: April 12, 2014, 11:07:43 pm »

Final Proposal:

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Amend rule 331 to:

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A player may propose one or more rule changes of any type on their turn.  These rule-changes will be voted on together and will either be all approved or all rejected. The number of votes required for approval will be the minimum required for a single proposed rule-change.  Proposing one or more rule-changes is a "mandatory" action during the turn.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #561 on: April 13, 2014, 12:15:36 pm »

vote: yes on 362. The proposal should probably have the number in it.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2014, 12:16:56 pm by EFHW »
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #562 on: April 13, 2014, 12:21:55 pm »

Vote: Yes on Proposal 362
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #563 on: April 13, 2014, 12:23:05 pm »

Vote: Yes on Proposal 362
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #564 on: April 13, 2014, 12:24:38 pm »

Hmmm. I'd prefer it if the proposals were individually voted on and accepted or rejected, but it's better than what we have at the moment.

Vote: Yes on Proposal 362
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #565 on: April 13, 2014, 12:30:21 pm »

Vote: Yes on Proposal 362
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #566 on: April 13, 2014, 03:30:46 pm »

Oh, that was already a pass. Vote passes 6-0.

I declare it to be Voltaire's turn.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #567 on: April 13, 2014, 03:52:34 pm »

Hey everyone! Stuff is updated. I'll get a proposal up sometime today. I'm going to do something about creating officers/titles who are responsible for tracking things.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): Voltaire's turn
« Reply #568 on: April 13, 2014, 03:55:59 pm »

Does anyone want to pay me for the proximity point?
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): Voltaire's turn
« Reply #569 on: April 13, 2014, 04:07:47 pm »

Oops, I didn't get my proximity :P
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): Voltaire's turn
« Reply #570 on: April 13, 2014, 04:40:25 pm »

Does anyone want to pay me for the proximity point?
$9
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): Voltaire's turn
« Reply #571 on: April 13, 2014, 06:12:16 pm »

Does anyone want to pay me for the proximity point?
$9
I take your bid and raise it to N$15.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): Voltaire's turn
« Reply #572 on: April 13, 2014, 08:20:46 pm »

I bid 20, and the agreement that you can get my proximity for a mere 5.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): sudgy's turn
« Reply #573 on: April 13, 2014, 11:43:05 pm »

I'm going to do something about creating officers/titles who are responsible for tracking things.

Vote: yes to Voltaire's proposal.
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Re: f.ds Nomic 1 (Thread 3): Voltaire's turn
« Reply #574 on: April 13, 2014, 11:50:59 pm »

I bid 20, and the agreement that you can get my proximity for a mere 5.
... he can't even reach you. he can only move once, remember? that rule with the mistype?

my N$15 stands.
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