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[scott_pilgrim]

Vote: Yes on 361

[Voltaire]

I don't think this is different enough from having money to pay for unit upkeep. I also am nervous about the fact that this rule refers to units that are not units - that's gonna cause trouble.

Vote: No on Rule 361

The spirit of adding additional currency/items I like, though.

[Jimmmmm]

I also am nervous about the fact that this rule refers to units that are not units - that's gonna cause trouble.

Oh you're right! Am I able to fix it up and re-propose as per 111?

[Voltaire]

Precedent says no, and so do the rules unfortunately:

111. If a rule-change as proposed is unclear, ambiguous, paradoxical, or destructive of play, or if it arguably consists of two or more rule-changes compounded or is an amendment that makes no difference, or if it is otherwise of questionable value, then the other players may suggest amendments or argue against the proposal before the vote. A reasonable time must be allowed for this debate. The proponent decides the final form in which the proposal is to be voted on and, unless the Judge has been asked to do so, also decides the time to end debate and vote.

[Jimmmmm]

Precedent says no, and so do the rules unfortunately:

111. If a rule-change as proposed is unclear, ambiguous, paradoxical, or destructive of play, or if it arguably consists of two or more rule-changes compounded or is an amendment that makes no difference, or if it is otherwise of questionable value, then the other players may suggest amendments or argue against the proposal before the vote. A reasonable time must be allowed for this debate. The proponent decides the final form in which the proposal is to be voted on and, unless the Judge has been asked to do so, also decides the time to end debate and vote.

Yeah I guess once someone has voted it's locked in. My proposal was admittedly somewhat rushed. I think the idea is solid though. Do you disagree that (depending of course on how we end up producing food) it will force us to actually move our guys around and that will be more interesting than what we're doing now?

[Voltaire]

I like units doing more - I don't think the current game is likely horribly flawed or something, there's proximity to draw us close and treasure chests to draw us away. That's why I'm willing to wait for a proposal without a problem (I know you were obviously well-intentioned).

[Jimmmmm]

I like units doing more - I don't think the current game is likely horribly flawed or something, there's proximity to draw us close and treasure chests to draw us away.

Well the game as is is horribly flawed in that there's no real need for money - if everyone spawns a treasure chest every turn then we'll see an average of $100 enter the system and $10 leave the system per turn.

[Jimmmmm]

Move K4 to J5
Move J5 to I6
Proximity between I6 and H7

[Voltaire]

Yeah, but as you can always say, freeze the game at any point and it's broken. But the game is never frozen.

Besides, not everyone has been spawning a treasure chest.

I get the point of making things more expensive though.

[Voltaire]

Hey, thanks for the point!

Give $N20 to Jimmmmm

[Voltaire]

Jimmmmm, I had you (prior to my action) at 990 in the spreadsheet and 980 in the opening post. Do you know which is right?

[Jimmmmm]

Hey, thanks for the point!

Give $N20 to Jimmmmm

Thanks for the money!

(I could give a point to Grujah who was on 10 or sudgy who was on 13 or you who was on 1, so that was an easy choice.)

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm, I had you (prior to my action) at 990 in the spreadsheet and 980 in the opening post. Do you know which is right?

Um, I believe it should be 990 - the only expense I've had that I can recall is the one time I've had to pay for a unit. Of course after this turn it'll be down to 980 and then back up to 1000. I'll double-check to see if I've paid $10 for anything else.

[scott_pilgrim]

I forget who keeps repeating this idea but I think at some point we should make it so you can spend like N$10 for a fifth IP, N$20 for a sixth, etc.  Then money becomes a lot more useful, since you can use it to get more out of your turn.

I'm also thinking farmer could have an ability to turn the tile on which they are currently standing to a farm tile, and then any unit on a farm tile can use a harvest action (costing 1 or possibly more IP) to get food.

Also I think soldiers are pretty bad compared to farmers already, and since it makes so much sense thematically for farmers to be the ones to get some food-related buff, I think soldiers will also need a bigger buff.  I'm thinking something like pushing/pulling other units around Arimaa-style?

Sorry I just kind of had all those ideas at once and wanted to put them out there before I forgot.

[Voltaire]

Jimmmmm, I had you (prior to my action) at 990 in the spreadsheet and 980 in the opening post. Do you know which is right?

Since your turn is over, you haven't been charged for your unit yet fyi.

PPE: Ok we'll go with that for now. Anyone who objects, point out what the right answer is.

[Voltaire]

I forget who keeps repeating this idea but I think at some point we should make it so you can spend like N$10 for a fifth IP, N$20 for a sixth, etc.  Then money becomes a lot more useful, since you can use it to get more out of your turn.

I'm also thinking farmer could have an ability to turn the tile on which they are currently standing to a farm tile, and then any unit on a farm tile can use a harvest action (costing 1 or possibly more IP) to get food.

Also I think soldiers are pretty bad compared to farmers already, and since it makes so much sense thematically for farmers to be the ones to get some food-related buff, I think soldiers will also need a bigger buff.  I'm thinking something like pushing/pulling other units around Arimaa-style?

Sorry I just kind of had all those ideas at once and wanted to put them out there before I forgot.

+1, would vote

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm, I had you (prior to my action) at 990 in the spreadsheet and 980 in the opening post. Do you know which is right?

Since your turn is over, you haven't been charged for your unit yet fyi.

PPE: Ok we'll go with that for now. Anyone who objects, point out what the right answer is.

I've checked all my posts since money-exchanging was introduced in the previous thread and can't find anything. Like you say, if anyone can, point it out.

And right, I should be on 1010 right now and 1000 after my turn.

Actually, for the sake of being unambiguous, you actually used the wrong notation when giving me money - you wrote $N instead of N$. It's entirely clear what you meant, but by the letter of the law maybe this actually didn't do anything?

[Voltaire]

Give N$20 to Jimmmmm

[Jimmmmm]

Give $N20 to Voltaire

[Jimmmmm]

Take your counterfeit virtual money back!

[Jimmmmm]

Also, thanks.

[mail-mi]

Vote: No on Rule 361

Also I think soldiers are pretty bad compared to farmers already, and since it makes so much sense thematically for farmers to be the ones to get some food-related buff, I think soldiers will also need a bigger buff.  I'm thinking something like pushing/pulling other units around Arimaa-style?

Soldiers should be the only ones that get to attack.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

Vote: Yes on Rule 361

Because why not, an inventory seems like it could go places. The unit/unit thing is odd but it doesn't really bother me, hopefully we'll not get too pedantic there. I'm skeptical as to whether keeping units fed will actually be fun, but if it's not, it can be tweaked or scrapped.

[florrat]

Vote: Yes on Rule 361

[EFHW]

Vote yes on Rule 361.  I voted yes to keep the inventory idea, but the rule as it stands doesn't really work.  first you say food is used automatically, and then you say an order needs to be placed.  perhaps the order could be to replenish the inventory, and you should be able to do that before the unit dies.  Also, there isn't much need for the Hungry attribute, since that state only lasts briefly between food being assessed and the unit being removed.  Perhaps the unit could be immobilized for a turn, and then Hungry units starve the next turn if they again don't get food.