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[scott_pilgrim]

robz why does Xerxes know he is going to be counter-claimed?

I don't think this matters?  In fact, I think mafia's hope was that no one would counter-claim, Robz would get lynched first, then XP, and then ash would be a fake IC.

[Robz888]

robz why does Xerxes know he is going to be counter-claimed?

I don't think this matters?  In fact, I think mafia's hope was that no one would counter-claim, Robz would get lynched first, then XP, and then ash would be a fake IC.

Yeah, actually this is correct.

[Robz888]

Although they had to know a full counter or pseudo counter was likely. Actually, the worst case scenario for them was someone else straight up being the Bus Driver, because then they only outed one person.

[scott_pilgrim]

robz why does Xerxes know he is going to be counter-claimed?

I don't think this matters?  In fact, I think mafia's hope was that no one would counter-claim, Robz would get lynched first, then XP, and then ash would be a fake IC.

I mean I think Robz's explanation works too, I think they figured out that the plan would work in some way regardless of whether there was a counter claim.  So maybe they knew there would be a counter-claim, and then they out a PR, or maybe they didn't know and they just went for it because the alternative was fine too.

[mcmcsalot]

But listen to this,

Ashersky faked a scum result on his actual scum partner, Xerxes. Xerxes made an fake effort of trying to blame Robz, an effort that was itended to fail because he knew his claim would be countered. Axxle did indeed counter. Xerxes was lynched. an effort to get a town lynch before he goes down.

Then, ash's plan went awry, because Axxle, thinking ash was town, tried to protect him. But why does he try to protect ash and use you who AT THE TIME were practically confirmed not mafia. AT THE TIME we had no idea this whole thing was a mafia plan, all we know is that Town!Ash had a result on ScumXerxes who then tried to pass his lynch onto Robz. Noone knew Xerxes was "supposed" to get lynched that night which is when axxle used his bus drive

[mcmcsalot]

robz why does Xerxes know he is going to be counter-claimed?

I don't think this matters?  In fact, I think mafia's hope was that no one would counter-claim, Robz would get lynched first, then XP, and then ash would be a fake IC.

Yeah, actually this is correct.

THIS IS WHAT I SAID fuck you not listening to me robz

[Robz888]

Hey hey calm down. No, you're right about that, but it doesn't matter. It didn't make me town at the time.

[Robz888]

But listen to this,

Ashersky faked a scum result on his actual scum partner, Xerxes. Xerxes made an fake effort of trying to blame Robz, an effort that was itended to fail because he knew his claim would be countered. Axxle did indeed counter. Xerxes was lynched. an effort to get a town lynch before he goes down.

Then, ash's plan went awry, because Axxle, thinking ash was town, tried to protect him. But why does he try to protect ash and use you who AT THE TIME were practically confirmed not mafia. AT THE TIME we had no idea this whole thing was a mafia plan, all we know is that Town!Ash had a result on ScumXerxes who then tried to pass his lynch onto Robz. Noone knew Xerxes was "supposed" to get lynched that night which is when axxle used his bus drive

But because there WAS a Bus Driver, and it WASN'T Xerxes, I was NOT confirmed non-mafia. Voltaire said as much! I can prove it.

[Robz888]

I chose the number 8. I got the 5th draft slot. I chose Neighborizer, and got it. I wanted it for two reasons: 1. to keep it out of scum hands (nightmares from Robz using it in M30) 2. unlikely to really be chosen by anyone, and the setup seemed cool and I didn't want to be a VT.

On N1, I neighborized yuma (needed to fix his scumread on me, as the two of us once voted for each other in mylo for a town loss, he's a strong player, etc.). Obviously that did nothing. On N2, I targeted Robz (I had picked up on Slot 9 slips and thought him either a PR or scum. I was going to force him to claim to me privately under threat of IC-led lynch to try to sort it out). Nothing happened. As such, I can 99.9999% confirm Axxle's role and action on N2.

Now, can someone explain to me why Andrew looks fishy post-claim?

[mcmcsalot]

But listen to this,

Ashersky faked a scum result on his actual scum partner, Xerxes. Xerxes made an fake effort of trying to blame Robz, an effort that was itended to fail because he knew his claim would be countered. Axxle did indeed counter. Xerxes was lynched. an effort to get a town lynch before he goes down.

Then, ash's plan went awry, because Axxle, thinking ash was town, tried to protect him. But why does he try to protect ash and use you who AT THE TIME were practically confirmed not mafia. AT THE TIME we had no idea this whole thing was a mafia plan, all we know is that Town!Ash had a result on ScumXerxes who then tried to pass his lynch onto Robz. Noone knew Xerxes was "supposed" to get lynched that night which is when axxle used his bus drive

But because there WAS a Bus Driver, and it WASN'T Xerxes, I was NOT confirmed non-mafia. Voltaire said as much! I can prove it.

But Xerxes didn't know that he would be countered when he tried to push the lynch off on you. Stop looking at it with post info. Take it step by step, with the info that Xerxes had he didnt know everything would fall apart so NO WAY Xerxes tries to push his lynch off a partner. Just cuz votaire had a hunch you might have been scum or a pr, doesn't mean you were not confirmed town.

[scott_pilgrim]

I didn't find Axxle saying Robz was scummy before D3, but here's his response when Robz asks why he bused him:

I bus drove robz and ash last night to try save ash. Welp.

Oh, and thanks for trying to get me killed. Not! Why me?

You were the first name I thought of when trying to think of who isn't obv town this game. Still very vla so didn't have a lot of time to submit the night action.

I don't think anyone thought at the time "Robz is definitely not mafia".  Even if we should have (which I don't think is the case), no one did, so I don't think the discussion is really relevant.  (Though maybe it just didn't get brought up because everyone was thinking about ash and XP's and Axxle's claims?)

I think Axxle's play was completely reasonable as town.

[mcmcsalot]

I didn't find Axxle saying Robz was scummy before D3, but here's his response when Robz asks why he bused him:

I bus drove robz and ash last night to try save ash. Welp.

Oh, and thanks for trying to get me killed. Not! Why me?

You were the first name I thought of when trying to think of who isn't obv town this game. Still very vla so didn't have a lot of time to submit the night action.

I don't think anyone thought at the time "Robz is definitely not mafia".  Even if we should have (which I don't think is the case), no one did, so I don't think the discussion is really relevant.  (Though maybe it just didn't get brought up because everyone was thinking about ash and XP's and Axxle's claims?)

I think Axxle's play was completely reasonable as town.

I'm not saying it wasn't reasonable as town. But I think robz is town, I think scott is town. I know I am town and need to provide evidence that axxle is sk and not me

[Robz888]

Yeah, I mean, you might be right mcmc, I guess, that people should have thought I was town, maybe, but no one did, including someone we know to be extremely competent and absolutely town (Voltaire). So I also find Axxle's play reasonable, given all that.

[Robz888]

I didn't find Axxle saying Robz was scummy before D3, but here's his response when Robz asks why he bused him:

I bus drove robz and ash last night to try save ash. Welp.

Oh, and thanks for trying to get me killed. Not! Why me?

You were the first name I thought of when trying to think of who isn't obv town this game. Still very vla so didn't have a lot of time to submit the night action.

I don't think anyone thought at the time "Robz is definitely not mafia".  Even if we should have (which I don't think is the case), no one did, so I don't think the discussion is really relevant.  (Though maybe it just didn't get brought up because everyone was thinking about ash and XP's and Axxle's claims?)

I think Axxle's play was completely reasonable as town.

I'm not saying it wasn't reasonable as town. But I think robz is town, I think scott is town. I know I am town and need to provide evidence that axxle is sk and not me

That is true. I'm very sorry for you if you are town, it's an impossible position for you, and so many accidental factors (even anti-SK choices be the SK) making Axxle look like town. But that seems to be the 10% of the time answer. 90% of the time, it's you, in this case.

[scott_pilgrim]

I didn't find Axxle saying Robz was scummy before D3, but here's his response when Robz asks why he bused him:

I bus drove robz and ash last night to try save ash. Welp.

Oh, and thanks for trying to get me killed. Not! Why me?

You were the first name I thought of when trying to think of who isn't obv town this game. Still very vla so didn't have a lot of time to submit the night action.

I don't think anyone thought at the time "Robz is definitely not mafia".  Even if we should have (which I don't think is the case), no one did, so I don't think the discussion is really relevant.  (Though maybe it just didn't get brought up because everyone was thinking about ash and XP's and Axxle's claims?)

I think Axxle's play was completely reasonable as town.

I'm not saying it wasn't reasonable as town. But I think robz is town, I think scott is town. I know I am town and need to provide evidence that axxle is sk and not me

Yeah, I mean you have to make a case on Axxle regardless of your alignment, but I'm just saying why I'm not convinced by the case.

[scott_pilgrim]

I'll be back online again in a few hours, if by that point no one has convinced me otherwise, I'll hammer.

[mcmcsalot]

i have 3 finals tomorow, robz are you gonna change your mind?

[Robz888]

i have 3 finals tomorow, robz are you gonna change your mind?

No, sorry. It's just overwhelming.

[mcmcsalot]

i have 3 finals tomorow, robz are you gonna change your mind?

No, sorry. It's just overwhelming.

kk scott lynch me, town lost

[scott_pilgrim]

vote: mcmcsalot

[Axxle]

[Robz888]

OKay.... did we win? Are you scum, Axxle?

[Robz888]

I feel like we won?

[Axxle]

[AndrewisFTTW]

Boooooo!!!!! Hisss!!!