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[Robz888]

Well, I guess, the only reason we actually have to think that someone tried to NK me is because Axxle said so. If he is the SK, he could just be lying about that.

[mcmcsalot]

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wow glad scotty is town. Axxle and robz both have things that make them potential sk's and then have things that clear them.

[Robz888]

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wow glad scotty is town. Axxle and robz both have things that make them potential sk's and then have things that clear them.

Okay, but talk to me about Axxle if you want to have any hope of us not lynching you whatsoever

[mcmcsalot]

for axle to be sk, he has to have chosen sk(may have tried to get conversion with slot 9) but used his bus driving at a weird time. Wait let me go back and look at when he used his bus driving

[mcmcsalot]

already on it

[scott_pilgrim]

Well, I guess, the only reason we actually have to think that someone tried to NK me is because Axxle said so. If he is the SK, he could just be lying about that.

Oh right, because he could have lied about when/how he used his bus driver shot.  Well would he have known to do that, it seems like maybe an unnecessary risk in case there's a tracker or something?

[Robz888]

Well, I guess, the only reason we actually have to think that someone tried to NK me is because Axxle said so. If he is the SK, he could just be lying about that.

Oh right, because he could have lied about when/how he used his bus driver shot.  Well would he have known to do that, it seems like maybe an unnecessary risk in case there's a tracker or something?

Tracker is in same slot as Jailkeeper, and ADK was Scum JK who died Day 1. The watcher died Night 1.

[scott_pilgrim]

Well, I guess, the only reason we actually have to think that someone tried to NK me is because Axxle said so. If he is the SK, he could just be lying about that.

Oh right, because he could have lied about when/how he used his bus driver shot.  Well would he have known to do that, it seems like maybe an unnecessary risk in case there's a tracker or something?

Tracker is in same slot as Jailkeeper, and ADK was Scum JK who died Day 1. The watcher died Night 1.

Okay, well I guess that makes it a reasonable play then.  I'm now back to like 60/40 mcmc/Axxle.

[Robz888]

The thing is, the only reason to bus ash on Night 2 was, ironically enough, to protect ash, who seemed very likely to be town cop. This is what town Axxle has claimed he did, and it makes sense.

I think there is little reason for SK Axxle to bus ashersky otherwise.

If he didn't use his shot at all, though, we might have expected some weird kills on subsequent nights. He could have bused mail-mi on the night I announced I was shooting mail-mi, and really really framed me. But perhaps that was not ultimately a good play, because he would be too obviously suspicious afterward?

[Axxle]

Well, I guess, the only reason we actually have to think that someone tried to NK me is because Axxle said so. If he is the SK, he could just be lying about that.

Oh right, because he could have lied about when/how he used his bus driver shot.  Well would he have known to do that, it seems like maybe an unnecessary risk in case there's a tracker or something?

Voltaire confirmed it when his neighborizer shot did nothing.

[mcmcsalot]

ScumAsh claims scum result on ScumXerxes
ScumXerxes claims busdriver who bus drove himself and ?Robz
?Axxle claims actual busdriver and hammer ScumXerxes

So at this point we assume Town!Ash

Scum ash was killed
Town Theorel was killed.

Axxle claims to have bus drove ?Robz and Town!Ash. This is the ?Robz that confirmed Scum!Xerxes claimed to have bus drove which means he tried to make him the lynch instead. This means robz and ash are at this point supposedly confirmed not mafia.

So why in the world does axxle do this bus drive, it works out greaat for us but should in effect should have caused mass confusion and destruction to town!Robz and town!Ash

Now I am actually seeing a great reason for sk!Axxle to have used his bus drive there.

vote:axxle

[Robz888]

Well, I guess, the only reason we actually have to think that someone tried to NK me is because Axxle said so. If he is the SK, he could just be lying about that.

Oh right, because he could have lied about when/how he used his bus driver shot.  Well would he have known to do that, it seems like maybe an unnecessary risk in case there's a tracker or something?

Voltaire confirmed it when his neighborizer shot did nothing.

Oh... thank goodness. Oh yes, that's right. Voltaire tried to neighborize me, I didn't get it, because it was redirected to ash who was dead.

[Robz888]

Axxle claims to have bus drove ?Robz and Town!Ash. This is the ?Robz that confirmed Scum!Xerxes claimed to have bus drove which means he tried to make him the lynch instead. This means robz and ash are at this point supposedly confirmed not mafia.

What did I confirm? What??

[Axxle]

This means robz and ash are at this point supposedly confirmed not mafia.

So why in the world does axxle do this bus drive, it works out greaat for us but should in effect should have caused mass confusion and destruction to town!Robz and town!Ash

Bullshit. There was very little reason to believe Robz was town and what confusion would it have caused?

[scott_pilgrim]

Yeah mcmc I have no idea what you're talking about.

If SK!Axxle thinks it's good for him to "create confusion" by bus driving ash and Robz, then why would he tell us that he did it immediately after?

[mcmcsalot]

This means robz and ash are at this point supposedly confirmed not mafia.

So why in the world does axxle do this bus drive, it works out greaat for us but should in effect should have caused mass confusion and destruction to town!Robz and town!Ash

Bullshit. There was very little reason to believe Robz was town and what confusion would it have caused?

Ash had a damning result on Xerxes, Xerxes said he bus drove himself an Robz, meaning the result was on Robz. Then Xerxes flippped scum, no way scum tries to pass the lynch off on his partner, robz is at that time confirmed not mafia

[Robz888]

I had forgotten that Voltaire confirmed Axxle's use of his PR at that time. It's only legitimate use there was to save ash, which is only something a town Bus Driver would have done.

Okay, I am fine with mcmc being hammered now.

[Robz888]

This means robz and ash are at this point supposedly confirmed not mafia.

So why in the world does axxle do this bus drive, it works out greaat for us but should in effect should have caused mass confusion and destruction to town!Robz and town!Ash

Bullshit. There was very little reason to believe Robz was town and what confusion would it have caused?

Ash had a damning result on Xerxes, Xerxes said he bus drove himself an Robz, meaning the result was on Robz. Then Xerxes flippped scum, no way scum tries to pass the lynch off on his partner, robz is at that time confirmed not mafia

But the plan was for Xerxes to get caught anyway, because Xerxes claimed something he knew someone else had. So it didn't really matter who the person in my position was.

[mcmcsalot]

Yeah mcmc I have no idea what you're talking about.

If SK!Axxle thinks it's good for him to "create confusion" by bus driving ash and Robz, then why would he tell us that he did it immediately after?

You all need to reread that liitle time period starting with ash's claim of a result on Xerxes and ending with axxle saying e busdrove robz and ash the next day.

Its a short time period but it makes sense from an sk axxle point of view

[Axxle]

This means robz and ash are at this point supposedly confirmed not mafia.

So why in the world does axxle do this bus drive, it works out greaat for us but should in effect should have caused mass confusion and destruction to town!Robz and town!Ash

Bullshit. There was very little reason to believe Robz was town and what confusion would it have caused?

Ash had a damning result on Xerxes, Xerxes said he bus drove himself an Robz, meaning the result was on Robz. Then Xerxes flippped scum, no way scum tries to pass the lynch off on his partner, robz is at that time confirmed not mafia

It was a SUPER obvious lie. So easy to counter claim, and even if the counter claim never happened people would have lynched him anyway. WIFOM at best, there was no way Robz was getting lynched instead of him.

[mcmcsalot]

This means robz and ash are at this point supposedly confirmed not mafia.

So why in the world does axxle do this bus drive, it works out greaat for us but should in effect should have caused mass confusion and destruction to town!Robz and town!Ash

Bullshit. There was very little reason to believe Robz was town and what confusion would it have caused?

Ash had a damning result on Xerxes, Xerxes said he bus drove himself an Robz, meaning the result was on Robz. Then Xerxes flippped scum, no way scum tries to pass the lynch off on his partner, robz is at that time confirmed not mafia

But the plan was for Xerxes to get caught anyway, because Xerxes claimed something he knew someone else had. So it didn't really matter who the person in my position was.

BUT WE DIDNT KNOW THAT WHEN AXXLE BUS DROVE YOU AND ASH

[mcmcsalot]

This means robz and ash are at this point supposedly confirmed not mafia.

So why in the world does axxle do this bus drive, it works out greaat for us but should in effect should have caused mass confusion and destruction to town!Robz and town!Ash

Bullshit. There was very little reason to believe Robz was town and what confusion would it have caused?

Ash had a damning result on Xerxes, Xerxes said he bus drove himself an Robz, meaning the result was on Robz. Then Xerxes flippped scum, no way scum tries to pass the lynch off on his partner, robz is at that time confirmed not mafia

It was a SUPER obvious lie. So easy to counter claim, and even if the counter claim never happened people would have lynched him anyway. WIFOM at best, there was no way Robz was getting lynched instead of him.

But he didn't know he was going to get counterclaimed! Everyone is looking at this with the info we have now. At the time Xerxes had no idea the Busdriver had been taken, even better, had xerxes pushed the lynch onto robz, we would have said "Oh well, xerxes must have lied about being busdriver" and then lynch xerxes and think ash is town. Mafia plan works even better if they get a bonus lynch on town!Robz before xerxes goes down.

[Robz888]

What happened, from the perspective of an outside townie:

Ashersky faked a scum result on his actual scum partner, Xerxes. Xerxes made a fake effort of trying to blame Robz, an effort that was itended to fail because he knew his claim would be countered. Axxle did indeed counter. Xerxes was lynched.

Then, ash's plan went awry, because Axxle, thinking ash was town, tried to protect him. My alignment had no bearing on any of these events. Indeed, Voltaire I think sort of suspected me, didn't he say as much as his reason for Neighborizing me?

The neighborizing failed, which confirmed that Axxle used his shot, in a pro-town way that turned out even MORE pro-town by accident.

That's the narrative.

[Robz888]

This means robz and ash are at this point supposedly confirmed not mafia.

So why in the world does axxle do this bus drive, it works out greaat for us but should in effect should have caused mass confusion and destruction to town!Robz and town!Ash

Bullshit. There was very little reason to believe Robz was town and what confusion would it have caused?

Ash had a damning result on Xerxes, Xerxes said he bus drove himself an Robz, meaning the result was on Robz. Then Xerxes flippped scum, no way scum tries to pass the lynch off on his partner, robz is at that time confirmed not mafia

It was a SUPER obvious lie. So easy to counter claim, and even if the counter claim never happened people would have lynched him anyway. WIFOM at best, there was no way Robz was getting lynched instead of him.

But he didn't know he was going to get counterclaimed! Everyone is looking at this with the info we have now. At the time Xerxes had no idea the Busdriver had been taken, even better, had xerxes pushed the lynch onto robz, we would have said "Oh well, xerxes must have lied about being busdriver" and then lynch xerxes and think ash is town. Mafia plan works even better if they get a bonus lynch on town!Robz before xerxes goes down.

No, Xerxes obviously expected Bus Driver to counter claim him. I assume he actually went for Bus Driver and didn't get it. If there wasn't actually a Bus Driver, there was likely at least someone who he took a PR from that slot, and could pseudo counter. And then slot 9 could have finished off the counter. Maybe that was what ash was hoping for, out tons of people and also get town cred.

[mcmcsalot]

robz why does Xerxes know he is going to be counter-claimed?