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[Voltaire]

12.  AndrewisFTTW - oh weird he disappeared

Oh weird I was on a gig and just got off. If you have a scum read on me just say it instead of subtly suggesting that I'm lurking or whatever it is you're doing. It's annoying.

WHAT

THE

HELL

EVERYHTING I SAY IS NOT ACCUSING SOMEONE THEY'RE SUCM

I simply noted you weren't in the sceond half o f the thread. Note I did not vote for you, nor call you scummy. Note that I called people I found scummy scummy.

[AndrewisFTTW]

So why are you going out of your way to say that my posting is "non-existent" and I "disappeared"? There are other people this would apply better to.

[Voltaire]

How am I going out of my way to do it? I saw it, I said it.

[Voltaire]

Man, it took me so far out of my way to say that. Why did you react so strongly?

[AndrewisFTTW]

I didn't react strongly. I just saw you singling me out for some reason and I thought it was weird. Why are you reacting strongly?

[Voltaire]

Why are you reacting strongly?

Drunk re-reading this thread since apparently I'm #*%%&ing up enough to get mislynched D1...

[XerxesPraelor]

Insinuating people are scum is scummy, but it really doesn't seem like that's what volt was doing there. The strong reaction is interesting,  though.

Can we have a vote count?

PPE: Okay... I guess I'm back to null on you.

unvote

[faust]

"Anybody can become angry – that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way – that is not within everybody's power and is not easy."
- Aristotle

Vote Count 1.9

XerxesPraelor (2): sudgy, scott_pilgrim
A Drowned Kernel (4): mcmcsalot, Teproc, AndrewisFTTW, Voltaire
Voltaire (3): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, jotheonah
scott_pilgrim (4): Robz888, mail-mi, ashersky, theorel

Not voting (1): Axxle,XerxesPraelor

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Day 1 ends at 10:00 a.m. on April 8, 2014

[jotheonah]

Well that was interesting. I want to say it made Volt look townier, but i hate hate hate letting people off the hook for being crazy, because that just encourages scum to be crazy when they're under fire.

[theorel]

Yeah, that was weird from my perspective.  I mean the previous games where I went from scum-read on volt to town-read on volt involved strong rational arguments, not random dunk-posting.  What's more his reaction seems out of sync with his previous reaction to his wagon "dying off" at 3 votes.  I mean, that's just an odd reaction to 1 more vote than that...

I can't decide if any of that is scummy or just different from what I would expect.

[Voltaire]

Yeah, that was weird from my perspective.  I mean the previous games where I went from scum-read on volt to town-read on volt involved strong rational arguments, not random dunk-posting.  What's more his reaction seems out of sync with his previous reaction to his wagon "dying off" at 3 votes.  I mean, that's just an odd reaction to 1 more vote than that...

I can't decide if any of that is scummy or just different from what I would expect.

There's a difference between being a wagon and being a lynch. It's getting late in the day, it's starting to seem like I could be the lynch. And it's annoying, because aside from you, none of my scum reads appear to be driving my wagon.

Oh except wait, ADK is voting me. And you're not voting me. Clever. Very clever.

[Voltaire]

The one thing I will agree with is that I have been different this game, and that is because I wasn't following closely for the longest time. Catching up D1, as I hope everyone will admit unless you're willing to admit you're manufacturing a case on me, is far different than paying close attention D1.

[Voltaire]

theorel, why are you voting S_P if I'm so damn scummy?

[AndrewisFTTW]

I don't think Volt is scum. I do think ADK is.

[Robz888]

I didn't think Volt was scum before, and I still don't.

[yuma]

I didn't think Volt was scum before, and I still don't.

So I guess I just don't know what to make from you.

You disagree with both of my cases (on teproc and voltaire) but you find me townie for it and support my pushing those cases but not the cases themselves?

If you are town and think I am town wouldn't you want me to be more focused on people that you find scummy? If you are scum it seems you would be fine with me looking in a direction that isn't you or a scum partner?

Kinda getting wary of Robz here.

[jotheonah]

Me too! I've been wondering if this was scum!Robz for a little while now.

[Robz888]

I didn't think Volt was scum before, and I still don't.

So I guess I just don't know what to make from you.

You disagree with both of my cases (on teproc and voltaire) but you find me townie for it and support my pushing those cases but not the cases themselves?

If you are town and think I am town wouldn't you want me to be more focused on people that you find scummy? If you are scum it seems you would be fine with me looking in a direction that isn't you or a scum partner?

Kinda getting wary of Robz here.

Okay. I don't really have a response to this. I don't think Voltaire is being scummy, I don't thin, you're being scummy, do whatever you want though, it's part of the process of Day 1.

[theorel]

theorel, why are you voting S_P if I'm so damn scummy?

Because when I say "I'm not sure if this is scummy" I actually mean that I'm not sure?  I needed to think about it, and I had decided it was just different before I read your post.

As noted before, I've had scumreads on town-Volt frequently enough that I don't trust them.  I forgot that at first, but my scum-read since remembering has lessened.  That's part of why I voted scott over you in the first place (as I told yuma when asked). 

I can vote for you if it'll make you feel better about things in general...but really, I'd rather lynch a lurker.  Which is a stance I've maintained since I switched off of you some 7 or 8 pages ago.

[theorel]

I had decided it wasn't scummy, is actually what that should say.

[yuma]

I can vote for you if it'll make you feel better about things in general...but really, I'd rather lynch a lurker.  Which is a stance I've maintained since I switched off of you some 7 or 8 pages ago.

What did you think of my analysis in regards to lurkers a few posts back? Do you agree or disagree that a lurking scum is one of the players less likely to get heavy attention for lurking early?

[Axxle]

vote: Scott pilgrim

Don't have much to add, finally read through the thread.

If it was earlier in the day I think theorem might be good to look at but sp is probably scum too?

[Axxle]

Yumas behaving p differently compared to adventure time, though that was a diff scenario. Prob town here.

Teproc/Voltaire (please stop calling him volt, I keep expecting voltgloss ) seem town, at least a couple that deserves to live day 1

[yuma]

For reference theorel the post is here, snipped to take up less room

I don't think scum is in scott or joth unvote.

I could see scum more easily in Xerxes, ADK, sudgy or Axxle more so than the rest.

And I guess Axxle do you disagree with my assessment as well. Basically the gist of it is that all the lurkers can't be scum just because of the number of them. So is a town!lurker or a scum!lurker more likely to get heat early for lurking. I supposed town!lurkers would... hence a townier feel on joth and scott and a scummier feel for the other "lurkers"

[theorel]

I can vote for you if it'll make you feel better about things in general...but really, I'd rather lynch a lurker.  Which is a stance I've maintained since I switched off of you some 7 or 8 pages ago.

What did you think of my analysis in regards to lurkers a few posts back? Do you agree or disagree that a lurking scum is one of the players less likely to get heavy attention for lurking early?

I sort of half-agree I guess?
I think scum is likely to point out their lurking partners (or their lurking selves).  Galzria pointed to himself as lurking in DS9, mail-mi pointed out his partner's lurking in MXXX.  However, I do agree that they're likely to try to get a wagon on someone else (same MXXX mail-mi pushes for us to lynch lurking-town-Robz).

So, I wouldn't include any of the "mentioned" items in the listing, since those could easily come from scum regarding a partner.
Honestly, the biggest thing in your analysis to me is that almost nobody is really pursuing lynching a lurker.  This indicates to me that scum is probably lurking, and doesn't want to risk putting attention on the lurking partner(s), or that they're all lurking...which frankly I find more likely.

I've brought up MXXX several times, because this game feels a lot like it to me.  For those unaware, in that game a fairly lurkish mcmc, and a lurking mail-mi were scum.