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[Robz888]

I won't be lynching yuma, and trying to get a wagon going on yuma is almost a scumtell by itself. his makes me want to vote for shraeye and PPS.

I've actually been thinking that the raerae lynch is maybe informational enough to justify it. Yeah, I know that's never like a good way of thinking, but then I can really look at that wagon and see what happened.

[mcmcsalot]

I agree with robz

[shraeye]

I agree with robz

In what regard?  He said two disparate things in his post.

[pingpongsam]

I agree with robz

In what regard?  He said two disparate things in his post.

I took it to mean he was happy to lynch any one of those townies but certainly not his partner.

[shraeye]

I agree with robz

In what regard?  He said two disparate things in his post.

I took it to mean he was happy to lynch any one of those townies but certainly not his partner.

I'm confused by this; who is who's partner?

[pingpongsam]

I agree with robz

In what regard?  He said two disparate things in his post.

I took it to mean he was happy to lynch any one of those townies but certainly not his partner.

I'm confused by this; who is who's partner?

First it was primarily tongue in cheek, second, it depends on which player you are referring to, Robz or mcmc but in either case yuma could be a partner since it was explicitly stated that he was off the lynch table with no good reason why.

[mcmcsalot]

I meant I agree with willingness to lynch raerae, and non willingness to lynch yuma, I thin Yuma is too helpful to lynch day 1

[A Drowned Kernel]

Upon a reread the whole raerae wagon looks like a confused mess to me, not like something that scum would have deliberately set up to get going and then fail, especially with the L-1 confusion. So I would think that's a wagon on town, and that one or more of the people who jumped on it are scum. First and foremost would be mail-mi, who I'm keeping my vote on, since he did kind of the same thing with the shraeye wagon. Other players I'm suspicious of are SP mcmc, who jumped on and then off but kept trying to push it from the sidelines. I'm slightly suspicious of FTTW but he seems more newbie than anything else, and his defensiveness to accusations against are coming off as townie.

@yuma: I said you didn't comment on raerae but I was just looking at the post above mine, I've been trying to reread all this over and over and keep getting confused, sorry about that.

@Robz and FTTW: How cautious is too cautious? I'm just trying to be honest about that fact that I don't have terribly good reads yet, it's still Day One. (Also, FTTW, I am a guy, but good on you for not making assumptions about gender).

[shraeye]

I meant I agree with willingness to lynch raerae, and non willingness to lynch yuma, I thin Yuma is too helpful to lynch day 1

I don't believe any person is "too helpful" to lynch day 1.

[mcmcsalot]

I meant I agree with willingness to lynch raerae, and non willingness to lynch yuma, I thin Yuma is too helpful to lynch day 1

I don't believe any person is "too helpful" to lynch day 1.

true but i also don't think hes been terribly scummy, certaintly not enough to overcome his helpfullness.

[pingpongsam]

The thing with yuma is he can easily be scum hiding in Towny clothes on D1. His meta is to make analysis on reactions almost like a commentator. He makes astute analysis that is useful for consideration and thus is easy to construe as Town behavior. But ultimately his method is impartial and non-committal avoiding getting cornered into any solid position. That, in and of itself, is null regarding his alignment, it's just his meta. But, when I take that meta and look at who it is being applied to the concept arises that I am possibly being psychologically coaxed into a lull.

[Robz888]

The thing with yuma is he is really, really useful to the town, and too dangerous for scum to leave alive, and a good target for investigations and things of that nature. So let's put a pin in that for now.

[pingpongsam]

The thing with yuma is he is really, really useful to the town, and too dangerous for scum to leave alive, and a good target for investigations and things of that nature. So let's put a pin in that for now.

Vote: Eevee

[AndrewisFTTW]

@Robz and FTTW: How cautious is too cautious? I'm just trying to be honest about that fact that I don't have terribly good reads yet, it's still Day One. (Also, FTTW, I am a guy, but good on you for not making assumptions about gender).

I know you're a dude, sorry if I called you "she" somewhere by accident.

It's not about bad reads. It's about committing to something enough to see it through. If you're not ready to lynch then don't feel pressured to vote. Lurking and voting and quickly inviting at the last minute seems scummy.

I agree with Rob in regard to yuma.

[AndrewisFTTW]

@Robz and FTTW: How cautious is too cautious? I'm just trying to be honest about that fact that I don't have terribly good reads yet, it's still Day One. (Also, FTTW, I am a guy, but good on you for not making assumptions about gender).

I know you're a dude, sorry if I called you "she" somewhere by accident.

It's not about bad reads. It's about committing to something enough to see it through. If you're not ready to lynch then don't feel pressured to vote. Lurking and voting and quickly inviting at the last minute seems scummy.

I agree with Rob in regard to yuma.

I did not mean "inviting" but rather "unvoting". Autocorrect is a pain in the ads.

[AndrewisFTTW]

@Robz and FTTW: How cautious is too cautious? I'm just trying to be honest about that fact that I don't have terribly good reads yet, it's still Day One. (Also, FTTW, I am a guy, but good on you for not making assumptions about gender).

I know you're a dude, sorry if I called you "she" somewhere by accident.

It's not about bad reads. It's about committing to something enough to see it through. If you're not ready to lynch then don't feel pressured to vote. Lurking and voting and quickly inviting at the last minute seems scummy.

I agree with Rob in regard to yuma.

I did not mean "inviting" but rather "unvoting". Autocorrect is a pain in the ads.

Autocorrect and typing on a phone are both pains in the ass.

[Teproc]

Vote Count 1.11:

raerae (4): yuma, scott_pilgrim, AndrewisFTTW, mail-mi
yuma (1): shraeye
shraeye (1): Axxle
AndrewisFTTW (1): raerae
A Drowned Kernel (1): Robz888
mail-mi (1): A Drowned Kernel
scott_pilgrim (1): Eevee
Eevee(1): pingpongsam

Not Voting (1):  mcmcsalot

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 4:30 p.m. on March 3, 2014.

[shraeye]

The thing with yuma is he is really, really useful to the town, and too dangerous for scum to leave alive, and a good target for investigations and things of that nature. So let's put a pin in that for now.

This is untrue. I'm pretty sure I've purposefully left yuma alive as scum just so I could abuse the fact that people believe this argument.  There was a discussion about this in the Donner Party mafia, and I think it was between you and me, in fact.

yuma's a good player, let's give him credit.  But nobody is so useful for town that in every case, they are too dangerous for scum to leave alive.

[Robz888]

The thing with yuma is he is really, really useful to the town, and too dangerous for scum to leave alive, and a good target for investigations and things of that nature. So let's put a pin in that for now.

This is untrue. I'm pretty sure I've purposefully left yuma alive as scum just so I could abuse the fact that people believe this argument.  There was a discussion about this in the Donner Party mafia, and I think it was between you and me, in fact.

yuma's a good player, let's give him credit.  But nobody is so useful for town that in every case, they are too dangerous for scum to leave alive.

Well, not in every case of course. But the burden of proof to lynch yuma has to be a little higher than others, and it has to be  LOT higher on Day 1.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think people are painting my unvote the wrong way. I was voting for raerae for reasons that were completely independent of the wagon that formed on her, was away from the game for a little while (it was like a day but that's a while I suppose), came back and unvoted when I saw what was going on.

[shraeye]

I think people are painting my unvote the wrong way. I was voting for raerae for reasons that were completely independent of the wagon that formed on her, was away from the game for a little while (it was like a day but that's a while I suppose), came back and unvoted when I saw what was going on.

I just looked back at your vote and the wagon.  I believe your version of this event.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I think people are painting my unvote the wrong way. I was voting for raerae for reasons that were completely independent of the wagon that formed on her, was away from the game for a little while (it was like a day but that's a while I suppose), came back and unvoted when I saw what was going on.

What was going on that made you want to uncover?

[AndrewisFTTW]

I think people are painting my unvote the wrong way. I was voting for raerae for reasons that were completely independent of the wagon that formed on her, was away from the game for a little while (it was like a day but that's a while I suppose), came back and unvoted when I saw what was going on.

What was going on that made you want to uncover?

Jesus christ this autocorrect is killing me. I meant "unvote".

[A Drowned Kernel]

A wagon formed very quickly on a premise that I didn't find particularly sound. I didn't want a mislynch so I unvoted.

[AndrewisFTTW]

A wagon formed very quickly on a premise that I didn't find particularly sound. I didn't want a mislynch so I unvoted.

You had a vote on raerae which means you suspected she was scum. Why then does it matter what the premise is?