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Forum Games / Re: ZM24 - Hangman Mafia, Round 2
« on: April 03, 2023, 12:13:16 pm »
Semi-blitz or normal would work for me. I would not be able to participate in full blitz.

I am at a conference or on vacation April 15-29, so I would only be \in after that.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 21, 2023, 09:43:00 am »
Well played Didds and scola!

No one looked at who I was voting for when scum chose to kill me...

Ya, I was not as invested in this game as town deserved, for which I apologize. With long pauses between games, I set up other things to do when my ADHD hits, so I get out of the habit of checking on forum mafia.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 02:02:18 pm »
Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there.  He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since.  He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread".  He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.

If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me.  And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill.  But I'm neither of those.  So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.

I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.

Iím also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if itís purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today

So you think scum no-killed? Why would they do that?

Not sure if this is an actual townslip or not.

Why would that be a townslip?

I guess I don't know what night he is referring to when he says that scum no-killed.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 12:19:59 pm »
Ok caught up. Pretty sure I agree with MiX here.

vote: scola

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 12:18:08 pm »
Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there.  He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since.  He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread".  He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.

If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me.  And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill.  But I'm neither of those.  So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.

I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.

Iím also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if itís purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today

So you think scum no-killed? Why would they do that?

I have assumed until this point that scum killed LL.  But looking back, it doesn't actually say that.  We do need mod confirmation.

I think the most likely explanation if LL was mod-killed is that scum missed the kill due to inactivity.  Joth and gk?  Or maybe there wasn't even a recruitment the night before?  Just gk as SM?

Even with my lack of activity, I would never miss a NK as scum in a vanilla game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 12:15:36 pm »
Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there.  He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since.  He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread".  He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.

If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me.  And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill.  But I'm neither of those.  So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.

I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.

Iím also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if itís purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today

So you think scum no-killed? Why would they do that?

Not sure if this is an actual townslip or not.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 12:14:32 pm »
Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there.  He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since.  He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread".  He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.

If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me.  And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill.  But I'm neither of those.  So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.

I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.

Iím also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if itís purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today

I very much agree with Didds here. It is a little bit strange how math phrased it as well.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 12:11:46 pm »
I think in a vanilla game like we are now, it could've helped town as well.

There is literally not even a hypothetical way in which it could have helped town without scum letting it happen.

Prolonging yesterday's discussions could have helped town.  I agree, it also could have helped scum.  But I think you're completely wrong in saying there was no way it could have helped town.

Consider one case - what if we all posted a scum-to-chum list?  Yes, scum would then have all that info and might make a better night choice.  But then their night choice becomes WIFOM, depending on whether they kill a strong town-read, or someone who's tunneling one of them, or someone who's tunneling a townie to frame them, or something else.  But on the other hand, we would know exactly what LL's scum-to-chum list is today.  We would even be able to compare yesterday's lists to how any of them might change today.

Now I'm not saying that giving those lists would have been a good choice yesterday.  I'm just saying that putting information into public has the ability to help town, even if it may help scum in some way as well.

Are you just being stubborn Awaclus?  Or are you intentionally trying to direct this game in a way that best benefits you and your scum-buddy?

I agree with Awaclus. Knowing everyone's scum-to-chum list is exactly what scum wants to know in a vanilla game. Literally isn't anything they want to know more.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 12:06:35 pm »
Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there.  He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since.  He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread".  He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.

If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me.  And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill.  But I'm neither of those.  So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.

I am pretty sure that rereading almost anyone would point to you. Not sure if it is a great argument.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 12:05:17 pm »
Also I am townlocking Didds for that post. If you have a problem, please present me a bad Didds post.

These are the easiest posts to make as scum for town points. They don't add any reads, and it's unlikely the prods really change the game much in town's favor. Not saying you shouldn't townread Didds, just that you shouldn't do it for that post alone.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 12:03:30 pm »
I guess I misinterpreted your D3 post...

Basically people don't vote no exile when you want a discussion because voting no exile means you don't want a discussion. So by voting no exile I assumed you didn't want a discussion. You even said things like "why wait until tomorrow" and "it's clearly the best vote".

OK - I get that, and it sounds like that's also where Awaclus is coming from. My no exile vote wasn't a "I don't want more discussion", I just wanted to improve our odds for today's exile and saw lots of votes flying by. My "tomorrow" was meant to mean the game's "tomorrow", not real world tomorrow.

But I hear what you and Awaclus are saying. I'm still not sure I agree, but I'll have to meditate on that a little more. The "I want to solve this game" side of me feels I could've used that info to improve my scum reads - and I do stand by my "I don't really think it matters any more who scum NK" argument.

I'm happy to retract my vote for now:

Unvote

Let me ask something else then: how come no one else suggested no exile until I did?

It obviously matters who scum kills. Just the criteria has changed from hunting PRs.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 11:58:52 am »
Ok I'm here and going to catch up today. Sorry for the massive absences.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 01, 2023, 10:49:40 am »
Okay I am completely sold on the EFHW/math team. Count me in to vote them at deadline.

I still prefer math though.

Awaclus will you be around for deadline?

Please just vote now. Why wait for a deadline?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 01:21:09 pm »
Oh does no plurality mean that if math doesn't get enough votes he doesn't die.

Does that mean me not voting mattered.

Oh no. Now the game is hard.

Not sure why he wouldn't just vote anyway.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 01:19:45 pm »
Iím trying to read along and get caught up.

Gkrieg still seems scarce? Or no?

MiX didnít know it wasnít plurality? That seems all kinds of out of character. But also, if he was scum heíd have shown up to hammer, maybe?

One more page to go! That will have to wait for the morning, though

Yes, gk still seems very scarce.

And I agree MiX not knowing setup is out of character for him. A few possibilities:
1. He's scum protecting me as traitor (I know this isn't right)
2. He's scum, trying to frame me as traitor, based on point 1
3. He's traitor and thought I was his partner so didn't vote me out
4. He's a clueless townie who was too lazy to look at setup

2 seems very unlikely, seeing as it really requires MiX to be dead for us to look at you as traitor.
3 could be true. Traitor also does not want exiles, even more than SM.

I guess it comes down to whether town!MiX really forgets that it isn't plurality.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 01:12:38 pm »
Gkrieg still seems scarce? Or no?

Very scarce. Been very busy with work, which is usually where I do forum mafia...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 01:10:53 pm »
Deadline is my birthday (and Glooble's) and we will be out painting the town red (read: doing an escape room and seeing Ant-Man) so I likely won't be around for deadline.

You two are lucky to get a birthday this year. Mine is squished somewhere between tomorrow and Wednesday. But I'll finally get a real birthday again next year!
I will also be unavailable after 7pm on Wednesday, so I will miss deadline too.

I think I can get behind the arguement against EFHW.

On another note... I know we'd rather find the SM. But if/when we want to look for the traitor, they would almost definitely not be on my wagon D1. They would want to avoid exiling the person most agree is scum.

Wow, lots of birthdays (or not quite birthdays)!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 01:09:06 pm »
It's not clear there's going to be a no exile if you think it's plurality right?

That was me, in the deadline.

Also I'm not even sure it's alignment indicative, scum!me wouldn't pass the chance to hammer math, I generally prefer to be in situations I have already planned for, and I would have planned for no day skips. Although both alignments can forget plurality equally, so I'm not gonna claim some townpoints there.

I really want to agree with Awaclus but I can't see myself voting EFHW before math if I follow it. Also I feel like it makes the game look bigger than what it is: this is basically a revival of f.ds mafia, somewhat, people aren't generally active and stuff. Scum doesn't need to think too hard, nor would I expect them to always think well. I know I wouldn't.

This confuses me. Why would you vote math before EFHW, if the case is that EFHW is SM and math is traitor? We outright win if we exile EFHW.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 01:07:32 pm »
Awaclus has some good arguments, but they aren't correct.

Also, I didn't (only) vote MiX for not voting at deadline. I mostly voted him for coming out of the gate at the beginning of the day with a theory about why math is scum - and it was a theory that didn't take two very real possibilities into consideration: that math would likely know and consider how it looks to nk Joseph, and that someone could have killed Joseph in order to frame math.

MiX is also confident and gutsy enough to go solo without the traitor.

It's true I've been shooting down theories. But I think it's scummy to put forward poorly reasoned or otherwise suspect cases, so I call them out when I see them.

Why would MiX "forget" it wasn't plurality exile? I would expect MiX to be double checking that when it's clear there is about to be a no-exile. He tends be pretty detail oriented iirc.

Not a big fan of this defense. Awaclus clearly made 3 points and then a fourth, minor point. EFHW decides to mainly focus on the minor point instead of the bulk of the case.

vote: EFHW

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 01:02:52 pm »
basically Joseph voted for math and then stayed in there for the whole day. It would probably be a good idea to exile math.

Imagine if this is how this game would work, we just exile the most suspicious person and they are scum and we win. Woud be instant classic

Do you think Joseph tends to tunnel and would've been voting for math again today? I think if math were scum, he goes for Awaclus (who is known to tunnel extremely hard).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 12:58:53 pm »
I think I would have recruited if I were scum....

I do agree that points to someone who feels pretty safely not under suspicion, or someone who's just gutsy AF.

MiX?

My initial rwaction is actually Awaclus. vote: Awaclus

This is from someone who feels safely not under suspicion? Why Awaclus first?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 12:57:48 pm »
Fyi, work Korea part is over, so now have less time for this until i get back Tuesday.

I am trying to keep up reading posts, but won't get a chance to really respond to anything until then.

Hope you're managing to keep up with the reading still!

I do not have time to reread anything this weekend... between marking/planning for school and family, life is busy.

Even if I were to just want to sheep someone's vote, I'm not sure who I would feel  safe doing that to. I hope we see a little more from everyone by Monday or so.

Do you have any town reads?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 12:57:05 pm »
Iím checking in, but Iím a little bit surprised that there is so little activity.

Weekends gonna weekend.


True fact. Iím at this fancy resort this weekend, we saw Justin Bieber this morning before he went to play golf and then Kourtney Kardashian and Travis Barker at dinner, which is pretty disappointing as far as celebratory sightings go. Next weekend the Obama are coming to visit. Iíd be way more swoony about seeing them.

Oh wow, that is fancy. Sounds like fun!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 12:56:39 pm »
Iím checking in, but Iím a little bit surprised that there is so little activity.

Weekends gonna weekend.

Also, we donít have a ton to analyze. I suppose a Joseph reread would not be out of order.

Unfortunately with no flip, this is D1 try 2.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: February 28, 2023, 12:56:02 pm »
@MiX How did you end up not voting towards getting an exile? You were there.

I forgot it wasn't plurality.

Wasn't this discussed pretty heavily?

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