Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there. He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since. He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread". He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.
If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me. And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill. But I'm neither of those. So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.
I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.
I’m also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if it’s purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today
So you think scum no-killed? Why would they do that?
Not sure if this is an actual townslip or not.
Why would that be a townslip?
Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there. He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since. He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread". He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.
If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me. And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill. But I'm neither of those. So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.
I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.
I’m also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if it’s purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today
So you think scum no-killed? Why would they do that?
I have assumed until this point that scum killed LL. But looking back, it doesn't actually say that. We do need mod confirmation.
I think the most likely explanation if LL was mod-killed is that scum missed the kill due to inactivity. Joth and gk? Or maybe there wasn't even a recruitment the night before? Just gk as SM?
Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there. He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since. He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread". He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.
If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me. And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill. But I'm neither of those. So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.
I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.
I’m also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if it’s purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today
So you think scum no-killed? Why would they do that?
Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there. He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since. He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread". He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.
If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me. And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill. But I'm neither of those. So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.
I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.
I’m also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if it’s purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today
I think in a vanilla game like we are now, it could've helped town as well.
There is literally not even a hypothetical way in which it could have helped town without scum letting it happen.
Prolonging yesterday's discussions could have helped town. I agree, it also could have helped scum. But I think you're completely wrong in saying there was no way it could have helped town.
Consider one case - what if we all posted a scum-to-chum list? Yes, scum would then have all that info and might make a better night choice. But then their night choice becomes WIFOM, depending on whether they kill a strong town-read, or someone who's tunneling one of them, or someone who's tunneling a townie to frame them, or something else. But on the other hand, we would know exactly what LL's scum-to-chum list is today. We would even be able to compare yesterday's lists to how any of them might change today.
Now I'm not saying that giving those lists would have been a good choice yesterday. I'm just saying that putting information into public has the ability to help town, even if it may help scum in some way as well.
Are you just being stubborn Awaclus? Or are you intentionally trying to direct this game in a way that best benefits you and your scum-buddy?
Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there. He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since. He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread". He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.
If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me. And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill. But I'm neither of those. So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.
Also I am townlocking Didds for that post. If you have a problem, please present me a bad Didds post.
I guess I misinterpreted your D3 post...
Basically people don't vote no exile when you want a discussion because voting no exile means you don't want a discussion. So by voting no exile I assumed you didn't want a discussion. You even said things like "why wait until tomorrow" and "it's clearly the best vote".
OK - I get that, and it sounds like that's also where Awaclus is coming from. My no exile vote wasn't a "I don't want more discussion", I just wanted to improve our odds for today's exile and saw lots of votes flying by. My "tomorrow" was meant to mean the game's "tomorrow", not real world tomorrow.
But I hear what you and Awaclus are saying. I'm still not sure I agree, but I'll have to meditate on that a little more. The "I want to solve this game" side of me feels I could've used that info to improve my scum reads - and I do stand by my "I don't really think it matters any more who scum NK" argument.
I'm happy to retract my vote for now:
Unvote
Let me ask something else then: how come no one else suggested no exile until I did?
Okay I am completely sold on the EFHW/math team. Count me in to vote them at deadline.
I still prefer math though.
Awaclus will you be around for deadline?
Oh does no plurality mean that if math doesn't get enough votes he doesn't die.
Does that mean me not voting mattered.
Oh no. Now the game is hard.
I’m trying to read along and get caught up.
Gkrieg still seems scarce? Or no?
MiX didn’t know it wasn’t plurality? That seems all kinds of out of character. But also, if he was scum he’d have shown up to hammer, maybe?
One more page to go! That will have to wait for the morning, though
Yes, gk still seems very scarce.
And I agree MiX not knowing setup is out of character for him. A few possibilities:
1. He's scum protecting me as traitor (I know this isn't right)
2. He's scum, trying to frame me as traitor, based on point 1
3. He's traitor and thought I was his partner so didn't vote me out
4. He's a clueless townie who was too lazy to look at setup
Gkrieg still seems scarce? Or no?
Deadline is my birthday (and Glooble's) and we will be out painting the town red (read: doing an escape room and seeing Ant-Man) so I likely won't be around for deadline.
You two are lucky to get a birthday this year. Mine is squished somewhere between tomorrow and Wednesday. But I'll finally get a real birthday again next year!
I will also be unavailable after 7pm on Wednesday, so I will miss deadline too.
I think I can get behind the arguement against EFHW.
On another note... I know we'd rather find the SM. But if/when we want to look for the traitor, they would almost definitely not be on my wagon D1. They would want to avoid exiling the person most agree is scum.
It's not clear there's going to be a no exile if you think it's plurality right?
That was me, in the deadline.
Also I'm not even sure it's alignment indicative, scum!me wouldn't pass the chance to hammer math, I generally prefer to be in situations I have already planned for, and I would have planned for no day skips. Although both alignments can forget plurality equally, so I'm not gonna claim some townpoints there.
I really want to agree with Awaclus but I can't see myself voting EFHW before math if I follow it. Also I feel like it makes the game look bigger than what it is: this is basically a revival of f.ds mafia, somewhat, people aren't generally active and stuff. Scum doesn't need to think too hard, nor would I expect them to always think well. I know I wouldn't.
Awaclus has some good arguments, but they aren't correct.
Also, I didn't (only) vote MiX for not voting at deadline. I mostly voted him for coming out of the gate at the beginning of the day with a theory about why math is scum - and it was a theory that didn't take two very real possibilities into consideration: that math would likely know and consider how it looks to nk Joseph, and that someone could have killed Joseph in order to frame math.
MiX is also confident and gutsy enough to go solo without the traitor.
It's true I've been shooting down theories. But I think it's scummy to put forward poorly reasoned or otherwise suspect cases, so I call them out when I see them.
Why would MiX "forget" it wasn't plurality exile? I would expect MiX to be double checking that when it's clear there is about to be a no-exile. He tends be pretty detail oriented iirc.
basically Joseph voted for math and then stayed in there for the whole day. It would probably be a good idea to exile math.
Imagine if this is how this game would work, we just exile the most suspicious person and they are scum and we win. Woud be instant classic
I think I would have recruited if I were scum....
I do agree that points to someone who feels pretty safely not under suspicion, or someone who's just gutsy AF.
MiX?
My initial rwaction is actually Awaclus. vote: Awaclus
Fyi, work Korea part is over, so now have less time for this until i get back Tuesday.
I am trying to keep up reading posts, but won't get a chance to really respond to anything until then.
Hope you're managing to keep up with the reading still!
I do not have time to reread anything this weekend... between marking/planning for school and family, life is busy.
Even if I were to just want to sheep someone's vote, I'm not sure who I would feel safe doing that to. I hope we see a little more from everyone by Monday or so.
I’m checking in, but I’m a little bit surprised that there is so little activity.
Weekends gonna weekend.
True fact. I’m at this fancy resort this weekend, we saw Justin Bieber this morning before he went to play golf and then Kourtney Kardashian and Travis Barker at dinner, which is pretty disappointing as far as celebratory sightings go. Next weekend the Obama are coming to visit. I’d be way more swoony about seeing them.
I’m checking in, but I’m a little bit surprised that there is so little activity.
Weekends gonna weekend.
Also, we don’t have a ton to analyze. I suppose a Joseph reread would not be out of order.
@MiX How did you end up not voting towards getting an exile? You were there.
I forgot it wasn't plurality.
