Reads list:Count the number of people in this game vs the number of people he's willing to lynch and recognize that this is a scumpost.
1. Teproc - Solid play. He is there where something happends and generally makes sense when he is speaking. I hope he is town.
2. Hydrad. - Has been a background player so far. Nothing he has said so far gives me pointes about his allignment. Null read.
3. XerxesPraelor - Also a background player.
4. Witherweaver- Have been active. I have not gotten much of a read on him, but I would not lynch him.
5. silverspawn - Null-read.
6. Beyond Awesome - Has little content. I hope to see more of him in the coming days
7. Ashersky - Usual ashersky-play with his plans. I want to hear what he has to say about them D2. Will not lynch today.
8. Ichimaru Gin - concerned about his own position, and gets defenive when cases are made of him. I undreastans that is usual for him. Active poster. slight town read
9. Xeiron - Town
10. chairs - Too little content
11. Awaclus - Has been in the background.
12. 2.71828... - Null-read
13. xxpittip - Too little content.
14. Twistedarcher/Robz - Has gotten much focus because of reinoe's case. I think he has reacted towny.
15. A Drowned Kernel - Have been active. Slight town read.
16. Reinoe - I do not how to read this guy. He has a different playstyle than the rest. I am fine with lynching him.
So this is mostly a bunch of null-reads with some townier reads. The lack of scumreads makes me more suscpicious those with little content and the ones who stays more in the background.
Willing to lynch: Hydrad, XP, silverspawn, BA, chairs, Awaclus, e, xxpittip, reinoe.
No you misunderstand. Scum are often given fake name-claims. Since Robz and I know who each other are we obviously cannot fake-claim with each other alive. However if the neighborhoods are never outed then the scum can kill their neighbor and then fake-claim a name that's not quite so villainous.You didn't talk about it, therefore you shouldn't reveal it. If you wanted to reveal, you should have brought it up in the QT. The person making a big decision has the responsibility to ask first, especially since it appears to have daychat. Not revealing is the default.I'm not budging on my opinion. You're wrong in light of scum killing the other person and then fake-claiming.
So, like if you/Robz were town/scum and neighbors...you guys don't claim, Robz and his team NK you on N1...on D2 Robz and a scumpartner fakeclaim neighbors along with the dead you?
Not sure what scum gains, although it's a neat idea.
You didn't talk about it, therefore you shouldn't reveal it. If you wanted to reveal, you should have brought it up in the QT. The person making a big decision has the responsibility to ask first, especially since it appears to have daychat. Not revealing is the default.I'm not budging on my opinion. You're wrong in light of scum killing the other person and then fake-claiming.
I take umbrage with someone who complains about neighborhood revelation when they never brought it up over a 2 1/2 day span. But I've gone over that already.Robzz is a much more palatable player than TA.I don't think statements like this are helpful or objectively true.
1) Derphammers in my context can come from scum or town.I can't believe that actually worked. I joined the wagon thinking it wouldn't go anywhere because people don't like lynching early. Yay for non-derphammers!That was a derphammer, and the entire faction I'm aligned with is on my wagon. I'm phone posting so I can't access the neighborhood because my phone hates Qt. I wasn't joking about scum motivated push. The lack of counterwagon, the speed. That's a classic scum push.
And why don't we lynch ash when he does stuff like this?
Parsing this...
--you think the hammer came from town ("that was a derphammer")
--you think your lynch was pushed by scum (thereby saying you are town, I think)
--so there are zero town players off-wagon ("...the entire faction I'm aligned with is on my wagon")
Is that about right?
If he doesn't actually die then we lynch him again. Kind of like what happened to me in Guilds. I quickhammered, everyone thought I was scummy for it (I just did it because I thought it would be fun (and I had a plan to try to trick the cop into investigating me and getting a town result)) and then I got lynched. Didn't die, made all sorts of last-ditch crazy claims, then got lynched again.Considering my extreme distaste for bussing I will say that xxtip's vote was definitely the worst on that scum motivated wagon.
Long story short. If someone doesn't die, we should keep lynching them until they die.
Your standards of "personal insult" are too high. "Lazy" was not even an insult considering it was a direct reference to someone's play. If you can't handle a player being called "lazy" in that context then I weep for you.Stuff like what?
I mean making horrible cases and unjustified decisions. You haven't done it recently - I'm not making an accusation. It's just that this seemed that this was the first time we successfully lynched for that, and that's interesting (TM).
Because Ash isn't a jerk and doesn't personally insult people when he makes bad cases.
I can't believe that actually worked. I joined the wagon thinking it wouldn't go anywhere because people don't like lynching early. Yay for non-derphammers!That was a derphammer, and the entire faction I'm aligned with is on my wagon. I'm phone posting so I can't access the neighborhood because my phone hates Qt. I wasn't joking about scum motivated push. The lack of counterwagon, the speed. That's a classic scum push.
And why don't we lynch ash when he does stuff like this?
I longingly await you to read this game.So you have one example of of TwistedArcher scumhunting which is actually him sheeping an argument that several other posters have made? Well I did say "examples" so the fact that you could only find one example which involves him sheeping other people actually re-inforces my point.
TA Post 1-4: Theory, setup stuff. Nothing wrong here, or noteworthy.
TA post 5:E, multiple people have sheeped Ash, why does Ichi get singled out for the theory reason? You're saying your initial vote was throwing stuff out there, but clearly it's more than that, since you're exclusive voting Ichi for something that's not exclusive to Ichi.
Basically, your vote reads to me as "Vote Ichi because [extended theory talk that doesn't really mean anything]", it's a very generic theory that's not even exclusive to Ichi -- so it kinda reads as a bogus justification to me.
This is good and normal.
TA post 6:
Vote: reinoeSo between Asherkey's hypocrisy, the slew of "me too" voters with poor justifications for their votes (see above), and the lack of counterwagon, this is quite obviously a scum motivated push.
I don't like his angry-agressive-raging playstyle + i think one of the neighbours is propably scum + TA/robz seems more towny to me
There's no design reason you couldn't make one of Jin/Sun scum. Nor is a there a flavor reason.Did you not see the statement I directed towards you?
Remember, this is a game set in Lost -- it doesn't have to stay true to the series. Maybe Sun died and the Man in Black is mascarading as her.
I longingly await Witherweaver and Asherkey submitting examples of TwistedArcher scumhunting.I see RVS lasts well past page 15 on this forum.
I longingly await Asherky submitting examples of TwistedArcher scumhunting.
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Is "the button" considered a player in this game? i.e. can it be vigged? Can it be "watched"? Can someone be tracked to "the button"?
I see arguing bogus cases lasts well beyond page reasonable poster where you're from.
If it wasn't clear what I meant about announcing the neighborhood to get reactions, it is thus:I have a huge problem with someone complaining about outing a neighborhood when they never brought it up and also weren't using the neighborhood for anything worthwhile. I also take umbrage with "I can't think of any reason to out the neighborhood" which is hard to see as an honest statement.
You announced it out of nowhere, TA displayed some mild disapproval, and you immediately jumped on him for throwing a (completely fictitious) hissy fit. Since then you've just been more and more belligerent. There was not, evidently, more heated disapproval from TA in the neighborhood, because you've stated he hasn't posted there. This makes me think that you were ready to jump on TA for how he would react to the neighborhood announcement, which makes me think that was your original intention.
reinoe : please calm down. Hystrionics like "he claimed scum" don't do well here, this isn't mafiascum, we don't enjoy shouting at each other.Do you think I'm trying to manipulate TA in the neighborhood? Did you see TA's content that he's not even contesting? If anyone is trying to manipulate it was him trying to manipulate me.
Here's what I think of the TA/reinoe situation :
TA didn't speak a lot in the neighborhood because he thinks neighborhoords are of dubious utility to town, I'm pretty sure he's said this in previous games, and there is a very specific precedent on f.ds of scum using a neighborhood to successfully manipulate town (Robz in M31).
I don't think TA put a lot of weight in the whole husband/wife thing because he doesn't know the flavor and kinda ignored it, which is a mistake in RMM but whatever.So you admit he made a mistake?
When TA said "as soon as I got my role PM", he obviously wasn't referencing the flavor, he was referencing the neighborhood and the fact that he's suspicious of them because you don't know the other guys alignment which means you should be careful. You might disagree with his decision to basically not engage, that's fine, but it's not"claiming scum" and I'm pretty sure you understand that and are just being super-hyperbolic because that's fun for you.And as scum he could just as easily not be engaging as an excuse to prevent me from getting a read on him. It has nothing to do with being fun for me: it has everything to do with TwistedArcher claiming scum. Get into his head: not contributing, not interrogating me in the neighborhood, not scumhunting, complaining about the neighborhood getting outed even though he never brought it up in the neighborhood and pretending he can't see any reason for claiming the neighborhood all speak to a dishonest mindset.
It's dumb though. Because this case is obviously extremely weak, yet you present it as if we're all idiots for not lynching TA, so where's your credibility now ? When you later make a better case, there's nowhere left for you to go, and no one will listne to you, so great job there.You're pre-emptively trying to justify excusing TA's obvious scum behavior. And I see a lot of sheeping/borderline RVS voting still taking place. Maybe I should propose a plan that I don't explain that involves lynching TA to see what happens people will hop onboard.
In what way? TA had a temper tantrum that the neighborhood got revealed. Tell me what scumhunting has TA performed this game? Any at all? Have you seen any indication he is trying to solve this game?In fact here's the discussion in the neighborhood (paraphrased)TwistedArcher has claimed scum. Why aren't we lynching obvious scum?
make a real case. TA has done nothing scummy whatsoever. You have claimed the neighborhood and his flavor name. Both of which might have been used later on during night or on future days depending on his role
TwistedArcher:who you? (this original post is four words)
me: my name's reinoe. here's a paragraph about me and I miss isotropic.
Twisted archer: I'm twistedarcher. enjoy your first game here
me:here's a paragraph about my unfamiliarity with the theme and i'm diving into the lostwikipedia now
Twisted:yup (his original response was two words)
me: here's a small paragraph on my thoughts about asherkey's plan.
twisted:here's a one sentence response.
Cool. TA pisses and moans about how I outed the neighborhood, but he never brought up whether the neighborhood should be outed at all. Ever. Even though he posted first.
2) TwistedArcher was deliberately not providing content in the neighborhood. That's scummy.
3) Why is he pissing and moaning about outing the neiborhood? He clearly had no intention of using it for anything productive. He wasn't interrogating me and he wasn't giving content. Why is he complaining?
4) TA is being coy about there being no benefit to outing the neighborhood. We know each other so if the neighborhood never gets outed he can kill me and fake-claim a name that's not in the game. Now that it's outed he can't fake-claim a name neither can I. Of course since I'm town I had nothing to hide anyway.
5) TwistedArcher is saying he is suspicious of me based on the role PM. That makes no sense. His role PM had us both as husband and wife. That's not suspicious. His role PM had us being neighbors in a two person neighborhood. That's not suspicious. Him claiming that his role makes him suspicious is absolute garbage.
You are really exaggerating TA's reaction to you claiming the neighborhood.
Did you actually claim to just get reactions?
TwistedArcher was setting the world on fire with how he deftly used the neighborhood. He's gonna revolutionize the way neighborhoods are used because OMG wow. With such insight as "who are you" and "yup". I mean wow. I can definitely tell he was putting that neighborhood to use like never before.
In fact here's the discussion in the neighborhood (paraphrased)
TwistedArcher:who you? (this original post is four words)
me: my name's reinoe. here's a paragraph about me and I miss isotropic.
Twisted archer: I'm twistedarcher. enjoy your first game here
me:here's a paragraph about my unfamiliarity with the theme and i'm diving into the lostwikipedia now
Twisted:yup (his original response was two words)
me: here's a small paragraph on my thoughts about asherkey's plan.
twisted:here's a one sentence response.
This makes no sense. How can someone "use" their flavor-name at night? The neighborhood is open all day everyday. TA has still not posted or even attempted to post any content in there. In what way do you think he should be using the neighborhood?TwistedArcher has claimed scum. Why aren't we lynching obvious scum?
make a real case. TA has done nothing scummy whatsoever. You have claimed the neighborhood and his flavor name. Both of which might have been used later on during night or on future days depending on his role
He's claimed scum. Excuse me for being excited about a D1 scumclaim. "Herp a derp I was suspicious about you because of my role PM and not any of your behavior before the game even started". So in your universe that mindset is town?I have absolutely no trouble with people being aggressive or pushing cases in a hard manner. And I normally see it as a townie trait (as long as it's not on me). However, I see basically no evidence for why you think TA is scum. Aggressively pushing (what I think) is a case with virtually no support is scummy.I don't really care for the way reinoe is aggressively pushing your lynch,How do you lynch scum on this forum? Do you just sheep each other until someone accidentally gets lynched via extended RVS?
Really, I have a hard time thinking you actually want to lynch TA as it comes off as so overeager it almost seems sarcastic.
