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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Solving The Big Money Problem
« on: August 10, 2014, 04:10:31 pm »
does anyone here actually think the fact that we play BM from time to time is a problem, or why are we discussing this?
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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Queue pile
« on: August 10, 2014, 03:06:49 pm »Quote
Shouldn't it say, "[You may] put your deck into your discard pile?", like Chancellor/Scavenger, so as to avoid triggering Tunnel? Or is that a feature rather than a bug?
yea it should, and also some other stuff. but cantrip chancellor isn't great anyway, like awaclus and LF said.
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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff
« on: August 10, 2014, 02:08:33 pm »
maybe im just really bad at making jokes
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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff
« on: August 10, 2014, 01:36:05 pm »
yes it was, but i'm baffled that 3 different people all thought i was serious 
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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff
« on: August 10, 2014, 12:27:32 pm »
has anyone ever noticed how great a mint/beggar opening is? you have a super thin deck with a terminal gold at the beginning of t3, it's even better than gold/chapel on a baker board. and the usual drawback of not having enough economy with a mint opening doesn't exist. i wonder why it isn't in the top10 best openings...
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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Queue pile
« on: August 09, 2014, 04:02:59 pm »
I don't think you need a mat, but aside from that soulnet is making good points. Basically, I don't think this is worth doing more than once or maybe twice, and I don't think it's worth inventing a term for it. I like the terminal silver though. Probably most like this:
You could also simplify it like this:
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+2$
Look through your discard pile. Put up to two cards from your hand or discard pile aside. Discard them immediately after the next time you shuffle your deck.
You could also simplify it like this:
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+2$
Look through your discard pile. Put two cards from it aside. Discard them immediately after the next time you shuffle your deck.
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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff
« on: August 09, 2014, 12:09:05 pm »Quote
Hmm, it definitely makes sense for successive games to not be independent. For example, I play against bots, and if I lose a game because I did something stupid, got unlucky, or just made a stupid misclick/interface mistake, I'm much more likely to play poorly the next game. I'm on "tilt" and kind of want to just make up for the previous game. The effect is probably greater than against human components, because you take a lot more time to think things through against real players. (I play kind of speed games against bots.) I'm sure the effect is still there to some degree, though.
the hypothesis was about luck though, not about success. the tilt effect is certainly there, it's something I've been struggling with forever.
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Now you can do a runs test and see if there really are streaks.
but I got 4 variables, not 2. and I can't just translate WS, LL into "no luck" and WL, LS into "luck", because I've been using WS also if i was lucky and played better, which happens quite often.
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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff
« on: August 09, 2014, 09:35:14 am »
#fun story: I've always felt that luck in dominion comes in series, but it doesn't really make sense for that to be true, so I started writing something down after every game of dominion...
... WS if I played better and won because of it
... WL if I didn't play better but won anyway
... LS if I played worse and lost because of it
... LL if I played at least as good as my opponent but lost anyway
... DS if I played better, but was unfortunate to have a tie
... DL if I played worse, but was fortunate to have a tie
... WD If my opp disconnected
... LD if I disconnected
of course these are just personal evaluations, my opponent might have rated it differently.
here is the .txt file. it really looks like series, which is very weird.
also stats, I wrote a java program to count:
I made one LB for "Lost Badmanner" when I played houroku who played all treasures individually and kept taking unnecessary amounts of time for trivial decisions, pretty sure that's the only reason I lost. don't remember the other one.
... WS if I played better and won because of it
... WL if I didn't play better but won anyway
... LS if I played worse and lost because of it
... LL if I played at least as good as my opponent but lost anyway
... DS if I played better, but was unfortunate to have a tie
... DL if I played worse, but was fortunate to have a tie
... WD If my opp disconnected
... LD if I disconnected
of course these are just personal evaluations, my opponent might have rated it differently.
here is the .txt file. it really looks like series, which is very weird.
also stats, I wrote a java program to count:
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WS: 143
WL: 54
LS: 42
LL: 86
WD: 4
LD: 1
others:
LB
LB
I made one LB for "Lost Badmanner" when I played houroku who played all treasures individually and kept taking unnecessary amounts of time for trivial decisions, pretty sure that's the only reason I lost. don't remember the other one.
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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Post Your Fun Kingdoms to Play
« on: August 09, 2014, 06:15:35 am »
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Crossroads, JackOfAllTrades, Pirate Ship, Spy, Butcher, Embassy, Inn, Rebuild, Goons, Hoard
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 06:27:49 pm »
... now let's just hope ...
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 06:24:49 pm »im gonna hammer.
I just wanted to say; if you don't hammer now, I'll unvote too, at least until robz shows himself again. I don't want to make the impression that I want to lynch ash no matter what. I almost unvoted after robz post, and I would have if he gave a better reason.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 06:21:33 pm »
I mean just look at this
and then:
that's just not enough, if you make such a strong case, shouldn't you explain a little bit more why you're chickening out?
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Yes, absolutely and emphatically. I want to lynch him because he is scum. I've played enough times with ash to know the difference between legitimately crazy ash and "playing crazy" ash. This is the latter. His self-vote, which came off at the first sign of trouble? Scum, absolutely scum move. He also furiously tried to buddy me, and then when that didn't work, reversed his opinion of me.
A lynch of ash is both called for--to punish self-voting and accidental hammer opportunity causers--and most likely to result in a lynch of scum.
and then:
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Okay... ash has convinced me. I think scum ash would have saved himself by now (by claiming).
that's just not enough, if you make such a strong case, shouldn't you explain a little bit more why you're chickening out?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 06:18:04 pm »zero. but still, three won't be here for the deadline, so that leaves 10. only one (or two) of those have expressed any sort of suspicion towards SP. do you really think it's possible that the other 5 switch to SP out of nowhere?
Not everyone voices all the suspicions they have. And, yes, it is possible. And also, you're not so much in a position to say "it isn't happening".
If you really want Ash to happen, make a good argument for it. It comes off like you're trying to brow beat us into lynching Ash. Which is really scummy, actually
I don't want it to happen that badly though. The main thrust was that I trusted robz and thought he made a strong case, but now he just stopped, and I don't really buy his reason for it. I have a slight scum read on him because I don't see his crazy behavior to be necessary for a town, but I don't even give that much weight to my own read here, I haven't played with him before.
What I meant when I said "i want to get this done" was just that, I want to be able to make a decently informed decision about whom to vote for before I go to sleep, that's why I was asking things to happen.
And yea I'm not in any position to say "that's not gonna happen", but my point still stands, Teproc was trying to draw attention away from himself, not to make a case against SP.
Also, lynching SP right away is just silly. He's inactive, he needs to do more and defend himself, not just be lynched.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 06:07:59 pm »
zero. but still, three won't be here for the deadline, so that leaves 10. only one (or two) of those have expressed any sort of suspicion towards SP. do you really think it's possible that the other 5 switch to SP out of nowhere?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 06:03:38 pm »I think I prefer Jimmmm above SP. SP's jumping on Ash's wagon does seem opportunistic, but I don't think he's really been scummy otherwise.
the thing that bothers me about SP is that he does so little. but I'd rather force him to do more than just lynch him
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Don't just say "it's not happening". If you think SP is the right lynch, vote and see what happens.
it's not happening. we're a few hours away from the deadline, I'm not going to be around for it, two others have already said they wont be either. If you're voting for him now, even if you really suspect him, it's an attempt to distract from yourself. which isn't scummy, town doesn't want to die either, but still, we're not lynching SP on day one.
so, anyone want to write a really good claim against teproc? or robz want to switch back? I really have to go to sleep soon, but I'd like to have that taken care of first.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 05:42:57 pm »
that's just not happening. and I'd rather see him defend himself than just lynch him anyway, and there is barely time left for an appropriate discussion.
no, the best possible options seems to be for robz to come to his senses and switch back to ash. unless someone gives good reasons to lynch teproc, than I might be in on that too, but lynch for the sake of lynching isn't that great.
also, your votes become more and more arbitrary...
no, the best possible options seems to be for robz to come to his senses and switch back to ash. unless someone gives good reasons to lynch teproc, than I might be in on that too, but lynch for the sake of lynching isn't that great.
also, your votes become more and more arbitrary...
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 05:36:02 pm »
I for one would still see ash >> teproc > jimm in scumminess. if anything I'd lynch SP.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 05:08:24 pm »
why is the claim such a big deal anyway? scum can claim for free, so it doesn't mean anything, and ash knew that - he even said it. also, both town!ash and scum!ash want to survive. if i'm understanding your logic correctly, you think that town!ash has more reason not to claim, and therefore he's town now, but isn't it possible that he saw through your fake threat?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 05:05:05 pm »
and that alone is enough to drop him from "probably scum" to "so unlikely that i rather lynch a guy i dont even suspect"
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 04:28:16 pm »
okay... can you give some sort of reason why you think teproc is scum?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 04:26:29 pm »Okay... ash has convinced me. I think scum ash would have saved himself by now (by claiming).
Vote: Teproc
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 01:28:16 pm »
oh yea he did. nvm.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 12:44:35 pm »Oh noes, we're partners and you caught us ! Whataver, if ash is lynched and flips scum you can scream for my lynch all you want, in the meantime it's counterproductive to try to identify scumteams (that only becomes useful once one scum has actually flipped.
he obviously unvoted you so you wouldnt lynch him, you dont have to be partners for that.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M48: Legend of Zelda Mafia (Day One)
« on: August 08, 2014, 12:02:13 pm »what a coincidence.Ok well, I will hammer ash for self-preservation in about twenty minutes. I'd rather lynch a townread than me.
20 min have long passed
Well yeah, I explicitely changed my mind. Also, ash has switched so I'm way farther from being lynched.