Orrery, a terminal trasher that provides some deck control, would be weak at $3, let alone $3P.
Prophet is a potential source of non-terminal VPs that seems too easily exploitable in an engine.
Lead is an on-buy Treasure Trove that is far too weak. You end up with a Potion, x Coppers and x Golds in your deck.
The set collection thing about the Seals is a cool idea but I cannot imagine a situation in which I'd buy 2 Potions just for the sake of some lousy overpaying for VP. You are sometimes getting a second Potion with Alchemist or in the case of a Vineyard rush but Seals provide on average less VPs than Vineyards, i.e. they seem lees centralizing which make you less willing to get a second Potion (independent of the overpay thingy).
Your meta-problem seems to be that you seriously underestimate the opportunity cost of getting/having Potions. You have to buy a Potion and you have to deal with the disadvantage of an extra dead card in your deck.
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Mixed Piles are like split piles but their order doesn't matter. You can only buy or gain the top card of the pile. Mixed piles with two different cards have five each; mixed piles with three different cards have four each. While this goes against the conventional ten card pile, it does go with the original design choice of twelve cards per kingdom pile.
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FeteI think the Peddler option makes this too much of a no-brainer, let alone its other very decent choices. Maybe give it a buy restriction ($3 Grand Market?), weird cost (<6>?), or an additional benefit to buff it up to $5 (when you gain this, gain a differently named card costing exactly $5?).
Types: Action
Cost: $4
Choose one: +1 Card; or +1 Action. Choose two (the choices can be the same): +1 Action; or +1 Buy; or +$1.
Thanks for the win faust!
So I have no idea what number challenge this is, but it's a basic one: Create a Village.
The only rule is that the card must itself provide some source of extra actions. So Throne Room variants and Lost Arts wouldn't count, but Barracks would. Also cards that give Villagers wouldn’t count unless the card also gave some source of extra actions. I will comment on submissions that don't count (I'm bad at remembering to +1 things).
I'll be on vacation at this time next week, so the deadline will likely be in slightly longer than 1 week (I get back Saturday).
Submissions will be judged on originality, creativity, balance, and fun.
tbh i think poacher's overpriced given the penalty. still, good point. worth changing the card, do you think?Priced at $4 so everyone can open with it if they want to / so no one is priced out of it before their first reshuffle. In pretty much every configuration it's worse than Market or Festival also which makes the $4 price point seem right.It is pretty much strictly better than Poacher though.
It's not just that it's strictly better than Poacher, it's strictly better than Peddler atalso. It's Village any time you need a Village, Market Square if you need that, one of the few cards in the game that allows you to get +2 buys, also just a Silver if you need that... I'm pretty sure it's at least powerful enough to need to be
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tbh i think poacher's overpriced given the penalty. still, good point. worth changing the card, do you think?Priced at $4 so everyone can open with it if they want to / so no one is priced out of it before their first reshuffle. In pretty much every configuration it's worse than Market or Festival also which makes the $4 price point seem right.It is pretty much strictly better than Poacher though.
Portcullis doesn't need to be a Reaction, does it? It works exactly as it needs to just being an Action-Reserve.
(Reserve cards are all basically a "subtype" of reaction cards)
Causes (10 cards total, one each)
Causes are card-like things that are shuffled, then one is shuffled into each of the Kingdom piles prior to the start of the game (in the event of split piles (introduced in Dominion: Empires), you may either randomly slot in the cause or just not include a Cause in that pile; it's your game and you should play it the way you like.) Causes affect all players. When a cause is revealed on a Kingdom pile, it is set aside; at the end of the turn the Cause was revealed, it is resolved - do what the card says on it. After resolving the Cause, it is placed back in the game box, removing it from the game. When building the Causes deck (prior to shuffling/adding one to each supply pile), you may include a number of blank white cards if you'd like each pile to potentially not have a cause in it - when the blank card is revealed, simply return it to the box. | |||||||||||||||||
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Crops is strictly better than Estate and thus has to cost at least.
Crops is strictly better than Estate and thus has to cost at least
Indeed. Yet at $3 it would be strictly worse than Tunnel. So it has to provide 1/3VPs or something else to differentiate it enough from Estate and Tunnel.
Prohibited is actually closer to an Adventures-style token, i just didnt want to have the rules for it buried in the rulebook, nor have it be player-specific. While there havent been non-player-anchored states, there's no reason to reinvent the wheel here - let states be attached to whatever and provide additional rules for what they're attached to.
Having something anchored to a pile rather than players feels different enough to me that it shouldn't be called a "State". I guess I can't force you to do anything though.
Quote from: KudasaiF - I read this you repeat the naming part for each correct guess. If this is the case, the loop continues before anything gets discarded, which would allow infinite correct guesses beyond the first correct guess.
Either way this needs some word changes. If the whole card repeats then you'd attempt the gain a card costing $1 after each loop.
Specifically and unfortunately I think this needs to be a big run-on sentence:
"Name a type (Action, Attack, etc.), then reveal the top card of your deck and if it has the named type, discard it and do this again."
Drawbridge
Night/Duration - $3
From your deck, set aside (face down) a card, plus an additional card for each unused Buy you have. At the start of your next turn, put the set aside cards in your hand.
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This is gained to your hand instead of your discard pile
Heirloom: Pouch
Timeshare
Action-Victory-Duration
Cost: $3
Set aside a card from your hand. After your next shuffle, discard it.
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So I made a coupla things and wanna chat pros + cons for each
Gambler
Revision A - ezmode slots
...Revision C - hard mode slots
imgur ate revision b but it's fine, it wasn't that different than this one
- Usually just a terminal silver with some pretty mediocre cycling
- With Lucky coin, gravitates towards being a high $ card
- probably underpriced when there's any thinning to tamp down the noise in the deck
Revision D - blackjack woodcutter
- con: math. and setting up a deck to get to $7 (altho this being $4 + free silvers from LC being $3 helps)
- pro: better cycling even on misses
- pro: always at least a woodcutter and/or chancellor
- probably the quickest of the lot to play
Revision F - roulette upgrade
What happened to revision E? it looked too much like "revision C" at everything but max resolution.
- pro: probably most useful - remodel those Curses directly into Provinces!
- con: turns will take forever
- con: clumsy wording - help? maybe add coin tokens to the card and then it's sort of Butcheresque?
- pro: Lucky Coin gives you trashing fodder so you don't have to start from $0 with a Copper every time
- con: only limit to guesses is number of cards in deck - probably shouldn't allow for a Curse -> Colony upgrade
My entry is revision D but talk through these with me, change my mind.
A - I think this is way too wonky to be viable. With Lucky Coin this will mostly hit Treasures giving a meager +1 Buy and +$1 and that's if it procs at all.
C - The ability to play this until your deck runs out is really interesting, but could lead to swingy games. Could function as a way to set aside Victory cards, but then Gamblers become dead cards since you don't want to play them and put your green back into your deck. Would be quite hard to do, but powerful enough that it could be worth trying. Also, I don't think you need to specify that set aside cards are not in play.
D - Another interesting one. Really makes use of Lucky Coin's Silver gaining and the price of $4. Another one that could be swingy. The gambling aspect of drawing one or two cards seems fun.@F: There's text - the last line - that says to discard all cards revealed by this card. Again, I don't think you can interrupt the loop on this card. Could probably move that up to the end of ¶2 with an "Otherwise" clause, make that less confusing.
F - This needs some text to address what happens to the revealed a card. Currently you reveal it and put it back, setting you up to perfectly name it the next time. If you can name it correctly the first time you can name it correctly 1,000,000 times if you wished! Even with that fixed, not having a cap on this could make it swingy. (Sorry I keep using that critique!)
Overall, some very interesting ideas. I think version D utilizes Lucky Coin the best and has some cool gameplay mechanics. I just recommend toning down the successful proc reward.
Revision A - ezmode slots Pros:
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Revision D - blackjack woodcutter
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I wasn't gonna enter this week because I forgot about it but then i saw there was still like two days left in the contest so here I am, with my Potion remodel + Potion overpay junker.
card text:
Metamorphosis • $3+ • Action
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to [Potion] more than the trashed card.
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When you buy this, you may overpay for it. For each [Potion] you overpay, each other player gains a Copper.
This is useless without other potion cards. The top just says “trash a card and gain a card costing up to the same amount” while the bottom only junks if I’ve already junked myself with useless potions. I’m not sure how to fix it. Maybe make it cost potion and overpay with coins? The top part would still be pretty bad though.
how about don't play it without other potion cards? it's rare that there'd be only one in a "good" kingdom setup anyway.
Like... yall need a breather - not every card is good in a random kingdom. Let there be weirdness and edgecases. That's how you make a fun game. Yall wanted an unconventional junker. This is not a conventional junker. It's gonna have setups where it's underpowered / not worthwhile. Those aren't its interesting cases - its interesting cases are the ones where its a contender.
Having a card that is completely useless in some kingdoms is a design flaw. It's the reason why Donald X cut a card that was "+$2, return this to your hand" - it was almost useless without villages (I forget its cost, but it was at least $3). It's the reason why every card that gains or plays a card from the trash also has a way to put good cards into the trash (Graverobber, Rogue, Lurker, Necromancer). It's also the reason why every Reaction card has an effect that might be useful even if there is no opportunity to use the reaction, such as Moat for +2 Cards without attacks and Tunnel for 2 VP with no way to discard it.
I strongly suggest changing this to have a positive effect even in games without other Potion-cost cards. A different above-the-line effect that interacts with Potions would be one possibility, something like Apothecary or Alchemist. That would prevent the Potion you bought from being a dead card.
I wasn't gonna enter this week because I forgot about it but then i saw there was still like two days left in the contest so here I am, with my Potion remodel + Potion overpay junker.
card text:
Metamorphosis • $3+ • Action
Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to [Potion] more than the trashed card.
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When you buy this, you may overpay for it. For each [Potion] you overpay, each other player gains a Copper.
This is useless without other potion cards. The top just says “trash a card and gain a card costing up to the same amount” while the bottom only junks if I’ve already junked myself with useless potions. I’m not sure how to fix it. Maybe make it cost potion and overpay with coins? The top part would still be pretty bad though.
bingo - same as how when people don't like Potion-cost cards, they don't play with Alchemy. Like I said in the Causes rules, it's your game and you should play it how you want....
......Yes, this is a fine way to expand the game. Those who like a more strategic Dominion can always stick to Donald's cards, can't they?
You pay $4 to use the event - it allows you to place the Prohibited state on a pile. While the number of Prohibition tokens won't match the number of cards in the pile, the more limited number does make it so I don't have to buy an additional copy of Seaside to test with - for two or three player, i can just pull out the embargo tokens (for 4-6 i'll have to grab some 8mm cubes from my gamedesign supplies box). Why five per player? There's no real prize or penalty presently to having specifically more than 5; I figured five was a manageable amount, and thematically, if you were a bootlegger and got busted with five barrels of whiskey or ten, I don't think it really mattered in terms of penalty. Playtesting will tell whether I hit or missed the mark on that.re: what you're buying with Prohibition, you're adding a token delivery mechanic to a pile (similar to a conceptual Adventure token for +1 Coffers) but it affects all players (a la Embargo). What the prohibition tokens do is resolve when the Vice Raid and Valuable Contraband Causes come up, as well as provide a future design space thematically based around bootlegging/smuggling.So 5 x players tokens go on the event, ready for taking. Are there going to be other ways to get them besides the Prohibited State? If there aren't then the number of tokens won't match up to the number of cards in the Prohibited pile in 3+ player games.
And what I meant with buying was, you pay $4 to use the Event, what happens?
This is also the reason for trash-from-supply being a thing in this - you can sift the supply piles.The mixed piles will be expanded upon in my second set, "Heresy"; for now they're largely cards that are variations on a theme, synergize in a way that doesn't necessitate one happening first a la split piles, and/or a collection of lower cost cards that would maybe be boring to have all three as separate kingdom cards but put them all together in one pile and you get interesting interactions. Having a nonconsistent supply pile can create interesting randomness in the (un)availability of the card you want.This could well work, and with your intent on the player interaction side it looks like a good mechanic to explore. It might just be Slaughterhouse/Cattleman I don't really like - terminal Actions are the ones players want to get right in their decks, and these two behave quite differently. So, I could see a mixed pile of very similar and/or non-terminal cards working better.
Cow - how many of these are there? The premise looks good, storing these up to spike certain effects.16 for 2-4 player, 20 for five player, 24 for six. For the time being I'm not going to be testing with 5+6 players.
Here's a brief Backcountry overview:
Main themes: States are a wide open design space with lots of potential, look forward to seeing what else you've done. With using the tavern mat just mind interactions with the Reserve cards and Miser. With cost adjustment, go overboard and it'll be really hard for players to keep track of the changes all the time; with the other Supply alterations in this set there's a huge amount going on.
Subthemes: Mixed piles add randomness, suggesting that you want Backcountry to be a relaxed, low-skill set less about strategy and more about player interaction. Supply trashing understandably goes with this, but too much and the game can be over on 3 piles before players get satisfying decks together.
Causes I first thought would be further randomness with shuffling them in (with split piles you could always say put them in the middle), but then I remembered players can look through the piles at any time to see where they are. So it's public knowledge when they come up and what will happen - that can make for some neat strategizing! You could certainly do interesting things with Causes!
Prohibited: this looks like it wants to be another unique mechanic like the Causes and mixed piles. I don't really get the $4 cost Event; what are you buying? The rules could be kept in the 'rulebook' and the tokens in the box. To introduce the Prohibited State into a game you could use a unique type on the things that need the tokens, like Looter to Ruins. So one random pile each game powers these up - the replayability it adds is nice, the competition to win the split of the pile another thing if it's worth it.
Out of time to look at the specific cards and the cow mechanic, but the combination of Causes and Prohibited could make for a neat set. Mixed piles...I don't think will really work. That kind of randomness doesn't really suit Dominion.
Prohibited should not be a State. It's more similar to the Bane card.
Giving Stampede the "Attack" type does nothing as everything that reacts to Attack cards says "when another player plays an Attack card" and Stampede cannot be played. Note that Raid is not an Attack.
