\in ...teresting
\in ...yay!
Anything big I should be filled in on?
;D
\in ...Grrrr, I'll face my arch nemesis once again!
\in ...Grrrr, I'll face my arch nemesis once again!
I know you're not the serial killer, but your 'more trusting' voice convinced me.\in ...Grrrr, I'll face my arch nemesis once again!
Here's a recording of me saying that I'm not the serial killer in case you need to decide between the two of us again: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16948609/iamnottheserialkiller.wav
But I thought we were friends? :'(\in ...Grrrr, I'll face my arch nemesis once again!
Bah. He admitted to electronically editing his voice. That sounds serial-killerish to me.I know you're not the serial killer, but your 'more trusting' voice convinced me.\in ...Grrrr, I'll face my arch nemesis once again!
Here's a recording of me saying that I'm not the serial killer in case you need to decide between the two of us again: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16948609/iamnottheserialkiller.wav
Anything big I should be filled in on?
;D
By far, the most important thing is http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14521.0
90-93% of f.ds in jokes originate from that thread now.
Anything big I should be filled in on?
;D
By far, the most important thing is http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14521.0
90-93% of f.ds in jokes originate from that thread now.
Eh. I believe reading that thread is far more skippable than people think.
This needs to fill up
is not my name
- Limestone
/inOh snap! Welcome to the beginning of the end of your Dominion career!
/inOh snap! Welcome to the beginning of the end of your Dominion career!
Also, have you taken the Civility Pledge?
/pledge
is not my name
- Limestone
is not my name
- Limestone
Now the spelling of your name is.... in the limelight.
Now the spelling of your name is.... in the limelight.
Let me just quote your sig..
Ooh Ichi's in this one? Cool. Hi Ichi. Haven't seen you since my debut.Ha ha yeah. I kinda took a break after that one.
Hah! That'd be nice.Ooh Ichi's in this one? Cool. Hi Ichi. Haven't seen you since my debut.Ha ha yeah. I kinda took a break after that one.
I'll bet you've won all the games you've been in since then, huh?
Vote: HaddockHah! That'd be nice.Ooh Ichi's in this one? Cool. Hi Ichi. Haven't seen you since my debut.Ha ha yeah. I kinda took a break after that one.
I'll bet you've won all the games you've been in since then, huh?
Won every town game, lost every scum game.
Still yet to be lynched.
Hah! That'd be nice.Ooh Ichi's in this one? Cool. Hi Ichi. Haven't seen you since my debut.Ha ha yeah. I kinda took a break after that one.
I'll bet you've won all the games you've been in since then, huh?
Won every town game, lost every scum game.
Still yet to be lynched.
/inYay!
/inYay!
Ween it was at L-1 I wrote all the QT's and prepared everything, expecting it to start in a few hours. :/
Hi everyone!
Hi everyone!
Is it cryptography if we do this:
If I say 'Hi everyone!' He is a VT
If I don't have 'Hi everyone!' be my first post, he's a PR.
Hi everyone!
http://quicktopic.com/52/H/sbRUUz2EqfwQuote from: RoadrunnerIs it cryptography if we do this:
If I say 'Hi everyone!' He is a VT
If I don't have 'Hi everyone!' be my first post, he's a PR.
Who are you communicating with this time?
The 7th side has sunk.Hi everyone!
http://quicktopic.com/52/H/sbRUUz2EqfwQuote from: RoadrunnerIs it cryptography if we do this:
If I say 'Hi everyone!' He is a VT
If I don't have 'Hi everyone!' be my first post, he's a PR.
Who are you communicating with this time?
And...I'm in Mafia again. It's been a while.
Pls be gentle ;D
What?
vote: gkreig
This is not an rvs vote.
If you find rvs fun, yes!vote: gkreig
This is not an rvs vote.
You like to try and end my fun fast don't you
vote: HydradWhat?
Oh IG is back. Interesting.
vote: HydradWhat?
Oh IG is back. Interesting.
vote: gkreig
This is not an rvs vote.
Pah. You OMGUSed me back though.vote: HydradWhat?
Oh IG is back. Interesting.
vote: IG oh man IG is OMGUSing me. He's super scummy
Pah. You OMGUSed me back though.vote: HydradWhat?
Oh IG is back. Interesting.
vote: IG oh man IG is OMGUSing me. He's super scummy
PPE: 1
I thought I was fully reformed. It seems I've slipped back into my old ways during my break.Pah. You OMGUSed me back though.vote: HydradWhat?
Oh IG is back. Interesting.
vote: IG oh man IG is OMGUSing me. He's super scummy
PPE: 1
Pshh it's obvious you preOMGUSed me by knowing I was going to vote you so you voted me first. Your OMGUS has reached new heights.
And therefor mine isn't an OMGUS. Easy.
vote:hydradOops forgot to bold
vote:hydradOops forgot to bold
Vote:hydrad
Sry guysvote:hydradOops forgot to bold
Vote:hydrad
I thought I was fully reformed. It seems I've slipped back into my old ways during my break.
Don't think I didn't see that other game where you infringed my trademark though. I'm keeping records :D
Sry guysvote:hydradOops forgot to bold
Vote:hydrad
Vote: hydrad
Wow. Guess I need to increase my trawling then.I thought I was fully reformed. It seems I've slipped back into my old ways during my break.
Don't think I didn't see that other game where you infringed my trademark though. I'm keeping records :D
I'm pretty much breaking it every single game I play :D
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
D1 pass for PPS
This is my first game.Sry guysvote:hydradOops forgot to bold
Vote:hydrad
Vote: hydrad
Your learning!
and also this is your first game right?
Welcome! (PS a really good strat for this game is to not vote me as that would kill me. And killing me doesn't help me out very much)
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
D1 pass for PPS
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
D1 pass for PPS
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
Good for you!
Vote: chairs
He doesn't know?
Am I the only one who knows? I assumed PPS knew, but apparently it's all a conspiracy against me.Vote: chairs
He doesn't know?
who doesn't know? what?
Since ashersky is not in the game the most obvious scum person is Awaclus.
If Awaclus is scum then so is Hydra which means that e would have to be his partner.
Of course Axxle would be the SK or Traitor if we have one.
Limetime is the Town vig if we have one of those.
WW is town.
Hope that helps.
- Each member of the mafia will know who his partners are.
- If there are factions beside mafia and town, then their win-con will not be mutually exclusive with either mafia or town.
Since ashersky is not in the game the most obvious scum person is Awaclus.
If Awaclus is scum then so is Hydra which means that e would have to be his partner.
Of course Axxle would be the SK or Traitor if we have one.
Limetime is the Town vig if we have one of those.
WW is town.
Hope that helps.
Feeling more comfortable with vote: pps now actually than before (I think I already was, but just in case..).
unvote for now.
I'm guessing WW's votes aren't counting because he's not referencing Limetime's exact name? Was there a rule change or something when it comes to that that I missed?
Oh ho. That's interesting. How long has that been going on?
Oh ho. That's interesting. How long has that been going on?
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
Yet Hydrad is also 'Town', yet he doesn't get a pass...
Maybe inspecting his body after its been hung to tell if he's really town?Confirmed, I am town aligned.
I mean, what other evidence do you need?
And somehow I did not get a PPE. Strange.Yes, it is...curious.
unvote for now.
I'm guessing WW's votes aren't counting because he's not referencing Limetime's exact name? Was there a rule change or something when it comes to that that I missed?
Silverspawn is automating the vote counts.
nickmanesI want to believe.
I recall another thread where this was discussed a while ago, but I'm not sure that I could find it.
This probably isn't the right place to ask questions about it, but I'd be interested what language you are using.
I'm still in the very early stages of my CS education, but I'm interested since I haven't had many opportunities to write programs for personal applications--just homework.
Vote: Lavalamp !
Vote: Lavalamp !
your really bad at this.
Vote: WW
because... uhh... who knows.
I'll catch up in a sec.
To clarify, I can confirm lynching gkreig will have a protown result, not sure he's scum though! Won't explain any more than that.
I'll catch up in a sec.
To clarify, I can confirm lynching gkreig will have a protown result, not sure he's scum though! Won't explain any more than that.
Oh in that case I'd be willing to go for that if I don't actually get a scum read on someone today.
vote: Hydrad
vote: Hydrad
more PreOMGUS!
I'd like something other than jokes from WW.
I'd like something other than jokes from WW.
Like his opinion on Axxle's claim.
vote: Hydrad. That seems... weird.
vote: Hydrad. That seems... weird.
What part is weird?
Feel like we're basically out of RVS now though.
Dude, I know you like to play it crazy, but seriously WHUT?
You're weirding me out. I don't remember crazy stuff like this happening in the last game we both played in. Is it just an RMM symptom or should I be voting for you? Cos SERIOUSLY.
I missed Mafia PPS.
Why aren't you bussing your partner now?!
E keeps on changing his votesHurm. Hate to say this, but changing vote a lot early on the game is kind of a thing. If he carries on doing it past, well, roughly now, it's a problem, but I don't think it's voteworthy at this point.
Vote: E
I'm going to do aShould I even bother asking?
Vote: Ichi
E keeps on changing his votesHurm. Hate to say this, but changing vote a lot early on the game is kind of a thing. If he carries on doing it past, well, roughly now, it's a problem, but I don't think it's voteworthy at this point.
Vote: E
What the what?E keeps on changing his votesHurm. Hate to say this, but changing vote a lot early on the game is kind of a thing. If he carries on doing it past, well, roughly now, it's a problem, but I don't think it's voteworthy at this point.
Vote: E
Liking a Vote: haddock
Vote: LimetimeAnd your not lurking?
I was serious about that.
Eh, maybe a bit more than usual, but it's your first mafia game!Vote: LimetimeAnd your not lurking?
I was serious about that.
I think taking us out of RVS too early causes these kinds of problems. No one knows what to add because there really isn't anything to talk about yet.
I do still want to hear people's opinions about Axxle and his claim.
Eh, maybe a bit more than usual, but it's your first mafia game!Vote: LimetimeAnd your not lurking?
I was serious about that.
Oh, yeah, we're not lynching him D1. Voting is good though.Eh, maybe a bit more than usual, but it's your first mafia game!Vote: LimetimeAnd your not lurking?
I was serious about that.
mimelite is in the slight scum side for me right now actually. I still don't want him gone day1 at least though. As for new players especially I think it's easier to tell what side they are on the longer they are alive for.
Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?
Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?Who?
Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?
Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?
No one gets the ie right in gkrieg either. It's just a thing
Ok I'll correct that, a small group of people always get the ie wrong in gkriegI'm in that group. Sorry gkreig.
His wording plus the fact he didn't actually vote makes it a weak town tell for mevote: Hydrad
more PreOMGUS!
It is that mixed with the fact that you are ready to vote for someone who isn't even a scum read from someone else.
Vote: timelimevote: roadrunner
Him lurking seems strange and possibly scummy.
I before e except after c
I before e except after c
Veil
Point made?
Except sounding like "a" as in neighbor or weigh (or eight)I before e except after c
Right because eight.
Weirdand that's just weird
so....House of Cards season 4 just popped up on Netflix....Being in the Eastern time zone is nice. For you, it 'just' popped up. For me...
Anyway. I am confident in my PPS read.
This game ;D.
But yeah. I agree with PPS that it's stupid to have a rule with so many exceptions. It defeats the purpose.
Chairs is pretty low activity. My recollection is that he was changing that the last time I was around though?
Now I get more bursty. Low activity, then suddenly "who the fuck is chairs and why is he pentaposting?"
Now I get more busty. Low activity, then suddenly "who the fuck is chairs and why is he hentaiposting?"
This is the problem with RMM: it takes place in night.
More people should sheep me.
Following up with this, his reason for voting seems like a huge stretch and his late hopping onto the "messing up limetime's name" meme feels a bit too "look at me I'm joking town too" to me.Vote: timelimevote: roadrunner
Him lurking seems strange and possibly scummy.
More people should sheep me.I only sheep people I have townreads on.
What does sheaping people mean?More people should sheep me.I only sheep people I have townreads on.
More people should sheep me.I only sheep people I have townreads on.
I guess I'll fall into this bandwagon.vote: haddock
I have a townread on gin and a nullish-to-scum read on haddock.But how did you acquire those reads?
Why is everyone voting for Haddock?I am A sheep
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
so....House of Cards season 4 just popped up on Netflix...."Busy"
Anyway. I am confident in my PPS read.
In case people were worried. Thought I should let you know. Still like my vote. Proud of the wagon I started. I will come back later to build an official case as necessary
So...like everyone is scummy?
This post is severely out of character for Awaclus. He is many things, but he is never ever self-deprecating.Why does everyone have trouble with limetime's name?
No one gets the ie right in gkrieg either. It's just a thing
I have always gotten it right! So I guess that means I'm no one. :'(
But then again, no one is perfect so I guess that's fine.
This is weaker, but this is a very forced joke, and doesn't really fit with town!Awaclus at this stage of the game. It feels like an attempt at distraction. He's not exactly playing to his precious win-con here, whatever it is...Now I get more bursty. Low activity, then suddenly "who the fuck is chairs and why is he pentaposting?"
This is how the post looked to me at first glance:Now I get more busty. Low activity, then suddenly "who the fuck is chairs and why is he hentaiposting?"
Why did you post that?
This post is severely out of character for Awaclus. He is many things, but he is never ever self-deprecating.
This is weaker, but this is a very forced joke, and doesn't really fit with town!Awaclus at this stage of the game. It feels like an attempt at distraction. He's not exactly playing to his precious win-con here, whatever it is...
To your first question: yes I did. It doesn't rescue the post as far as I'm concerned. I do not believe that you would as your usual self think to make the first sentence.This post is severely out of character for Awaclus. He is many things, but he is never ever self-deprecating.
Did you read the second line where I was implying that I was perfect?This is weaker, but this is a very forced joke, and doesn't really fit with town!Awaclus at this stage of the game. It feels like an attempt at distraction. He's not exactly playing to his precious win-con here, whatever it is...
It was not a joke, that was seriously how I read the post at first. Posting it did not distract the game in any way and it wasn't at all detrimental to my town win con, either.
To your first question: yes I did. It doesn't rescue the post as far as I'm concerned. I do not believe that you would as your usual self think to make the first sentence.
To your second: my point is kind of that I don't believe that's how you read it. It feels like you've gone out of your way to construct a sentence that you could pretend was how you read it.
So what made you think of the joke?
I still don't see town you ever even considering making that joke at that point.
Haddock is behaving somewhat like he did last game when he had a wagon on him and flipped scum. That was considerably later in the day and did have a more, "oh me oh my I must be so amateur and silly" feel to it though.Hmm. This is an interesting thought.
Vote: Haddock seems right.
Vote: Haddock seems right.
Really? He seems townie to me
Haddock says quite often that only scum votes for RR. So OMGUS could be coming in soon.
Even if I'm scum, I'm still RR.Haddock says quite often that only scum votes for RR. So OMGUS could be coming in soon.
You haven't really done anything rry yet
Even if I'm scum, I'm still RR.Haddock says quite often that only scum votes for RR. So OMGUS could be coming in soon.
You haven't really done anything rry yet
I thought we decided that we didn't want to lynch RR because he was so misunderstood. We've made this mistake time and time again, in Marval Mafia, Simply Simple Mafia, other games that I can't think of right now.
This wagon=dumb.
I am a professional RR readerThree's a crowd.
Vote: Haddock
Ugh.I agree with this. Why is everyone voting for Haddock?
I'm majorly pissed off now. Beginning to understand ash's tendency to self vote.
THERE IS NO CASE HERE. Noone has presented one. e was the original proponent and claims to have a case, is here to mock me but won't present it, as, as I recall, he said he would.
I've done absolutely nothing scummy here. There is no scum narrative for any of my behaviour.
I repeat: THERE IS NO REASON TO LYNCH ME.
I get that it's day 1 and scumhunting is hard, but make an effort people. We can do so much better than this it's unreal. This is a combination of confirmation bias and people just wanting to lynch me because I've never been lynched.
Let's take Hydrad for example. Maybe people don't like his reads lists, but they show an effort is being made. I'm making an effort too and people want to lynch me for it.
Not one person voting for me has put any effort into making a case against anyone, including any case against the person they're voting for.
For fucks sake people.
Haddock might want to claim though.Considering it. Not sure I see the point. It's RMM, e very one has a role. And it's not like it would make any difference. Not like anyone's paying any attention to reason at the moment.
Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now. Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.
Let's do
Vote: Gkrieg
Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now. Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.
Let's do
Vote: Gkrieg
Why me?
Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now. Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.
Let's do
Vote: Gkrieg
Why me?
Why not you?
That's what they all say!Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now. Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.
Let's do
Vote: Gkrieg
Why me?
Why not you?
Because I'm town
Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now. Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.
Let's do
Vote: Gkrieg
Why me?
Why not you?
Because I'm town
Okay, he actually sounds like frustrated town now. Before I thought he sounded like "caught for the wrong reason" scum.
Let's do
Vote: Gkrieg
Why me?
Why not you?
Because I'm town
What should make us think that?
vote: hydrad
I didn't find it particularly townie, and I know some players tend to give read lists more often as scum since it's a good way to look like you're doing something while keeping the game state pretty much the same. Gkrieg broght up your reaction to my claim so I went back to go look at it. It definitely read a bit scummy. It seemed like you didn't want to draw attention to yourself with a questionable vote so wanted others to take the first step.
The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.
Confirmed, I am town aligned.
If this is supposed to mean something then maybe someone can enlighten me.The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.
I'm not sure if I can be any more clear than I already have:Confirmed, I am town aligned.
If this is supposed to mean something then maybe someone can enlighten me.The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.
I'm not sure if I can be any more clear than I already have:Confirmed, I am town aligned.
If not, you just end up looking dangerously like Awaclus in Cupcake mafia, who continued insisting through the game that he was an IC, until he got lynched and flipped scum on the final day.
I love the implication that I'm somehow the most wiredup player on the forums or something. I think I'm probably on the laid back end when it comes to mafia, but maybe people can correct me about that. But noone likes being put to L-1 on D1.If this is supposed to mean something then maybe someone can enlighten me.The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.
I'm not sure if I can be any more clear than I already have:Confirmed, I am town aligned.
If not, you just end up looking dangerously like Awaclus in Cupcake mafia, who continued insisting through the game that he was an IC, until he got lynched and flipped scum on the final day.
95% of what I post is pure good humor. I'm having fun. You, on the other hand have already had a coronary once this game.
The fact is, I've not done anything remotely scummy. I'm actually playing a very protown game there just isn't much to do this day which is as expected for RMM.
I am no Awaclus; he is consistently Awaclus and I am consistently PPS. I am well within my town meta.
I love the implication that I'm somehow the most wiredup player on the forums or something. I think I'm probably on the laid back end when it comes to mafia, but maybe people can correct me about that. But noone likes being put to L-1 on D1.If this is supposed to mean something then maybe someone can enlighten me.The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them.
I'm not sure if I can be any more clear than I already have:Confirmed, I am town aligned.
If not, you just end up looking dangerously like Awaclus in Cupcake mafia, who continued insisting through the game that he was an IC, until he got lynched and flipped scum on the final day.
95% of what I post is pure good humor. I'm having fun. You, on the other hand have already had a coronary once this game.
The fact is, I've not done anything remotely scummy. I'm actually playing a very protown game there just isn't much to do this day which is as expected for RMM.
I am no Awaclus; he is consistently Awaclus and I am consistently PPS. I am well within my town meta.
My point is that I don't know if your last sentence is true - I'm not sufficiently familiar with your meta to judge. That fact alone means that I wouldn't be massively opposed to your lynch, which is all I'm saying by including you on a would-lynch list.
If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.
If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.
"If I was scum why would I do X?" is a very uncompelling argument. Like, the uncompellingest.
If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.
"If I was scum why would I do X?" is a very uncompelling argument. Like, the uncompellingest.
But the argument being made is about why I didn't do something which is moderately more compelling in my view.
There's plenty of reasons why scum wouldn't want to hammer a wagon like haddocks
There's plenty of reasons why scum wouldn't want to hammer a wagon like haddocks
Not for scum!PPS, there isn't.
Am I the ONLY one who understands PPS?
If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.Otherwise have more than adequately answered this.
If you are town and I am scum why did I not hammer you when you went L-1? You should know I love a hammer. You could argue that you weren't at L-1 long enough but I can assure you I was present for the entirety of that episode.There's no need to act like I'm clamouring for yourows lynch. I'm not. You're an option, is all.
PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.*votes gkreig*
PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.*votes gkreig*
Lets get some action going.
vote: hydrad
Zzzzzzzz
Zzzzzzzz
you can wake up now. We have Hydrad at L-1
I thought i should do one of these for some reason. not to much thought has gone into this but figured it can't hurt
1. mail-mi - forgot he was here actually. null
2. Ichimaru Gin - don't remember to much from him either - null
3. Witherweaver - can't remember to much either - null
4. EgorK - wow null again is this just me? i guess 17 people is a bunch
5. 2.7 - hey i remember him! slight town
6. silverspawn - seems town
7. Hydrad - IC
8. Faust - town
9. Chairs - town
10. Ghacob - slight scum
11. hockeysemian - scum
12. Seprix - medium scum (i don't fully know why for this one. I'll probably have to reread him again to understand that one)
13. TwistedArcher - don't remember much null
14. XerxesPraelor - i remember XP buuut still null
15. gkrieg13 - slight town (not because of day1 pass)
16. EFHW - towny
17. UmbrageOfSnow - towny
hmm thats a bunch of nulls. I'm not sure if thats because I havn't been putting a super ton of time into this game or what but i should try to fix that.
woo POE
1. 2.71828.....2. Hydrad3. chairs
4. EgorK
5. Ichimaru Gin6. Witherweaver
7. silverspawn8. ashersky
9. hockeysemlan10. Ghacob11. A Drowned Kernel
12. Awaclus
13. Lekkit14. Delirious Deleuze
15. mail-mi
Hmm I kinda did this on a whim but I think this is where I stand right now.
So....these lists prove that this is something you do as town. Which you want to replicate as scum...
So....these lists prove that this is something you do as town. Which you want to replicate as scum...
ahha actually the second one I linked I think I was scum. So ya I dunno thats why I'm thinking of just claiming because I don't feel like these are helping me much.
So then I have remaining:
Awaclus
Hydrad
Roadrunner7671
Witherweaver
chairs
Axxle
And I think WW stands out. The whole "gkrieg looked like he was white knighting haddock"
Well, you only know that if you know Haddock is town. Because it is not white knighting if Haddock is scum.
So then I have remaining:
Awaclus
Hydrad
Roadrunner7671
Witherweaver
chairs
Axxle
And I think WW stands out. The whole "gkrieg looked like he was white knighting haddock"
Well, you only know that if you know Haddock is town. Because it is not white knighting if Haddock is scum.
But Haddock looked more town. Ergo, Gkrieg looks more scum. It feels like you're fishing.
And guess what happened last time I went fishing D1 (you know, M75).
We lynched scum
There is some PoE to it....
Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?
There is some PoE to it....
Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?
Me.
There is some PoE to it....
Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?
Me.
Have you ever tried it?
Kazaa > Limewire.
Hmm.
unvote
Vote: Haddock
I'm fine with the Hydrad wagon
vote: Hydrad
Well right now I have a town-read on Hydrad and PPS and Haddock. Scum on chairs. slight scum on RR. Null everyone else.
vote: chairs
oh this is unfortunate.
and there isn't much I feel I can defend myself with.
I guess Ill say I'm still okay with the gkrieg lynch because of what axxle said but I'm confused as to why thats so scummy. For me day 1 is a shot in the dark most of the time. So getting something that has a protown benifit plus the chance that gkrieg is scum anyways seems like a good deal to me.
Or, y'know, I realised I was overreacting to some shit Awaclus did.Hmm.
unvote
This is scummy. Votes Awaclus for a somewhat forced case that has little to do with alignment, unvotes after Awaclus explains himself.
The people I would be happy lynching today probably goes something like:
RR=Hydrad > Axxle = PPS >> e.
RR and Hydrad have both done things that are either out of character or seem like forced versions of their character. Obviously this is weak, but as a Day 1 thing I'm happy with it.
The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them. I think e is vaguely towny but I'm acutely aware that I can't read e at all, so he has to be a D1 option.
vote: Hydrad
PPE. huh. OK, I'm alright with that.
Or, y'know, I realised I was overreacting to some shit Awaclus did.Hmm.
unvote
This is scummy. Votes Awaclus for a somewhat forced case that has little to do with alignment, unvotes after Awaclus explains himself.
That IS weird from gkrieg....
Those are my reads, what can I tell you.The people I would be happy lynching today probably goes something like:
RR=Hydrad > Axxle = PPS >> e.
RR and Hydrad have both done things that are either out of character or seem like forced versions of their character. Obviously this is weak, but as a Day 1 thing I'm happy with it.
The other three are there mostly because I can't really read them. I think e is vaguely towny but I'm acutely aware that I can't read e at all, so he has to be a D1 option.
vote: Hydrad
PPE. huh. OK, I'm alright with that.
I don't like this, putting easiest mislynches as scummiest reads.
His response wasn't alignment neutral. If it's true that he is a fan of that `joke' and likes to use it, it means that his making that joke is not out of character after all. And lying about something like that, well, maybe, but somehow I don't see it.Or, y'know, I realised I was overreacting to some shit Awaclus did.Hmm.
unvote
This is scummy. Votes Awaclus for a somewhat forced case that has little to do with alignment, unvotes after Awaclus explains himself.
That IS weird from gkrieg....
Why does what you think Awaclus did indicate that he was scum? Okay, fine, your argument was that he was acting out of character. Good enough reason for an early day 1 vote. Bigger point is, why did you feel the need to unvote? Awaclus' explanation doesn't seem to point towards alignment one way or the other. So to me it feels like it was a forced read.
His response wasn't alignment neutral. If it's true that he is a fan of that `joke' and likes to use it, it means that his making that joke is not out of character after all. And lying about something like that, well, maybe, but somehow I don't see it.
I want to vote someone on the Hydrad wagon, but I'm not sure whom.
Please, please, start explaining your votes. Otherwise we just have far too many people in this game who don't do it. I feel I'm more likely to make headway asking you to do it than, say, Awaclus.I want to vote someone on the Hydrad wagon, but I'm not sure whom.
Axxle
I want to vote someone on the Hydrad wagon, but I'm not sure whom.
Axxle
Kazaa > Limewire.
Day 1 pass for Axxle!
True. Can't go back on a D1 pass.Thankyou. :) I will think on this.
@haddock: I just feel like his hydrad vote is a bit lazy, and is just content to sit on it and ride it out to a lynch.
Ok. Pretty much caught up. unvote for now.
Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.
And...Hydrad has been at L-1 for a while now. I maybe have the worst record of reading him. I'm not sure if I missed the case on him though?
Ok. Pretty much caught up. unvote for now.
Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.
And...Hydrad has been at L-1 for a while now. I maybe have the worst record of reading him. I'm not sure if I missed the case on him though?
don't worry I think I missed the case on me also.
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Limetime: You voted Hydrad. Because you thought he was scum or because lynching people is fun and you have never done that before?Well every one else was doing it so there most be a reason why. More importantly I want to move on with the game and not get into a stalemate.
Limetime: You voted Hydrad. Because you thought he was scum or because lynching people is fun and you have never done that before?Well every one else was doing it so there most be a reason why. More importantly I want to move on with the game and not get into a stalemate.
So, Axxle. Why do you think a Hydrad hammer never happened?Because he's distinctly null this game. The town off the wagon doesn't really want to lynch people they don't have scumreads on. I'm fine with lynching anyone I don't have a town read on, as long as I don't have a strong scumread. I'm sure some other town on the wagon feel the same way.
Do you think Hydrad is still scum?
you know what.Is that L-1?
vote: Hydrad
It was L-1. But no more.Vote: Hydrad
We're going to be aggressive!
I mean I wouldn't claim without intent either.We're going to be aggressive!
Good for you.
Hydrad sat there for such a long time. No claim. That has to mean something.
I thought you were being aggressive?I'm going to hammer instead.
lets do this thing.'This thing' has a name :'(
Play to a town wincon, not an RR one.?
Yeah. A wagon.lets do this thing.'This thing' has a name :'(
Great. Seeing as I have interests in survival, we'll reVote: Hydrad
Ppe ppe
I feel like RR gets scared of wagons.Great. Seeing as I have interests in survival, we'll reVote: Hydrad
Ppe ppe
you were at 2 people voting you?
Vote: RR
I feel like thats a scum thing where the get more scared from wagons then town.
Wanting to hammer this bad seems to come from bored/trolling scum than townPlay to a town wincon, not an RR one.?
But really. Do a quick ctrl+f for "goko username: Asher H" (at least that is what I always use when I search for people to do post counts, rereads, etc)Man, it's D1.
Read his posts. Not much there. Sure, RR is jokey and normal and blah, blah, blah. What has he contributed? He tried to get Hydrad to claim. He has done that.
What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?Ping pong world champion
What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?Triple posting is scummy, but I want to point out that this is relevent to the game.
Is Axxel a troll?What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?Ping pong world champion
What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?
Reply #423 is a thing.What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?
I don't believe this question belongs in a mafia game
Reply #423 is a thing.What does PPS do for a living? Does anyone know? Or does he not want to share that?
I don't believe this question belongs in a mafia game
Yeah. I agree with e.
Best to keep personal info/questions out of things.
Yeah. I agree with e.That's fair.
Best to keep personal info/questions out of things.
2.7, I have a question: Did you have to do anything besides /confirm in your QT?
Is that a 'you can't tell me?'2.7, I have a question: Did you have to do anything besides /confirm in your QT?
read the setup
Is that a 'you can't tell me?'2.7, I have a question: Did you have to do anything besides /confirm in your QT?
read the setup
I've told you as much as I can/will.Is that a 'you can't tell me?'2.7, I have a question: Did you have to do anything besides /confirm in your QT?
read the setup
Tell me what you are trying to get me to answer to catch me as scum, then I will be sure to answer it for you.
We're going to do a partial claim: My role is not of MafiaScum and is presumably invented by the mod himself.
Ppe
Are you a Miller or a Tree Stump?
Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.I wouldn't. But that makes sense.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum :'(
As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
This is not a softclaimLynching third parties doesn't hurt town all too much (although it's still a wasted lynch) and it's a decent fakeclaim for scum since it explains why their actions are scummy.
Why are Survivors 'premium lynch targets?' They can basically be a townie.
Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.I wouldn't. But that makes sense.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum :'(
As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
I know what they say: 'RR's weird.' 'RR's insane.' What makes you think I would?Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.I wouldn't. But that makes sense.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum :'(
As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
You say that now.....
Isn't it super obvious that RR is looking for a fakeclaim right now?I'm just making small talk!
You want to win, right?I know what they say: 'RR's weird.' 'RR's insane.' What makes you think I would?Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.I wouldn't. But that makes sense.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum :'(
As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
You say that now.....
Hahahahahahaha I thought "this is not a soft claim" meant he was hard claiming for a second...
Who doesn't love an underdog?You want to win, right?I know what they say: 'RR's weird.' 'RR's insane.' What makes you think I would?Um. I'm not sure that that's even the case.I wouldn't. But that makes sense.
At least in one game faust claimed survivor and he was allowed to live before he betrayed us all to the scum :'(
As to why survivor's are prime lynch targets. If they are allowed to live and the balance of the game shifts, they'll just side with scum.
You say that now.....
It makes sense to do whatever it takes to make that happen, including siding with scum.
PPE: 1
This is not a softclaim
Why are Survivors 'premium lynch targets?' They can basically be a townie.
So. RR. What benefit do you provide town, and what benefit do you provide scum?Are you assuming I'm a Survivor? Because that is unfair.
I would love you to full claim at this point
So. RR. What benefit do you provide town, and what benefit do you provide scum?Are you assuming I'm a Survivor? Because that is unfair.
I would love you to full claim at this point
Oh, so you aren't a survivor, you just know for a fact that one exists?I'm not going to fullclaim, but I am an investigory role. I can make ICs and catch scum.
I have no way to relay this information to scum, so I can just make it public. But I won't if you lynch me.Oh, so you aren't a survivor, you just know for a fact that one exists?I'm not going to fullclaim, but I am an investigory role. I can make ICs and catch scum.
PPE
Scum also has to decide: will I really stay town aligned? So why not keep me around and kill town leaders instead?I love this part.
So what are you, a survivor that can also investigate people?In a sense, yes.
Do you hate your role?No, actually. I like the loner type thing. I can't let anyone down, and it's just fun. I don't know man, I'm giddy.
I'd actually rather have that than me choosing.
Why not? You think I'll make a better choice than the town?I'd actually rather have that than me choosing.
No, no, no. Directing PRs is no good. (IMHO)
Scum often times can take countermeasures if you say beforehand who you're targeting.Why not? You think I'll make a better choice than the town?I'd actually rather have that than me choosing.
No, no, no. Directing PRs is no good. (IMHO)
That's an excellent point.Scum often times can take countermeasures if you say beforehand who you're targeting.Why not? You think I'll make a better choice than the town?I'd actually rather have that than me choosing.
No, no, no. Directing PRs is no good. (IMHO)
I just want to double check-> We're through with the idea that RR is Mafia, right?
I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
This is just a WIFOM safety net though. I had no plan. I'm really struggling.I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
By the time you are thinking about defecting to scum, it would probably be dangerous to spend a lynch on you.I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
Isn't it an unwritten rule that town should be able to survive three mislynches?I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
We don't know.
I don't understand how I could defect though. I can't communicate with scum. They're gonna kill me tonight or sometime soon anyway.By the time you are thinking about defecting to scum, it would probably be dangerous to spend a lynch on you.I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
No way to know if you can communicate with scum. Maybe scum can communicate with you.I don't understand how I could defect though. I can't communicate with scum. They're gonna kill me tonight or sometime soon anyway.By the time you are thinking about defecting to scum, it would probably be dangerous to spend a lynch on you.I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
At least I get to go out with a bang.
Even in games where I'm actually town, I'm fair weather town.No way to know if you can communicate with scum. Maybe scum can communicate with you.I don't understand how I could defect though. I can't communicate with scum. They're gonna kill me tonight or sometime soon anyway.By the time you are thinking about defecting to scum, it would probably be dangerous to spend a lynch on you.I've been burned with something almost exactly like this before. I'm glad you can now admit that you will play to your own wincon. I wouldn't believe anything predicated on not playing to someone's own wincon.Can I win with scum tomorrow? The day after that? Even the day after that?
You could win with scum though. That makes you a liability.
At least I get to go out with a bang.
The point is that you are at a best fair-weather town.
I love how everything you say is directed to both town and scum.I can't talk freely.
That's just the way being a survivor is though. It's also the main problem.
I'm not jet-set on lynching you today yet. I think I believe your claim though.
I haven't even claimed.?
What's the question? I haven't!I haven't even claimed.?
Why not just lynch RR? Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying. And scum is not going to kill him. I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.Tonight, I'm going to make an IC or catch scum. Lynching me D1 doesn't help you win.
Why not just lynch RR? Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying. And scum is not going to kill him. I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.Tonight, I'm going to make an IC or catch scum. Lynching me D1 doesn't help you win.
How is lynching me D1 helping you?Why not just lynch RR? Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying. And scum is not going to kill him. I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.Tonight, I'm going to make an IC or catch scum. Lynching me D1 doesn't help you win.
It could very well.
Why not just lynch RR? Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying. And scum is not going to kill him. I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.
I think I deserve a chance. I'm different than other Survivors, as I have a service that is quite useful to town.Why not just lynch RR? Keeping claimed survivors has never worked out well, and there's always the chance he's lying. And scum is not going to kill him. I'd prefer to lynch RR over forcing more claims.
Enough with thisWhy?
vote: rr
I am afraid of betrayal.Enough with thisWhy?
vote: rr
Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.
Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
But no vote?
Did you see Making Fun Mafia?Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.
Quoting for Haddock to get the picture of how this thing works.
Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
But no vote?
Fake claim scum = RR is town.
Interesting thought. I think he comes across like an excited 3rd party that has never been 3rd party before
I mean, if the town is nice to me and stuff, I wouldn't vote for them at LyLo or any of that.
I want to be a good little towny person, and I will be for a while. All this fear of 'betrayal' is unnecessary until town starts to look bad.
Gollum: [to Frodo and Sam] We be nice to them, if they be nice to us.
Replace "Gollum" with RR and "Frodo and Sam" with town and that about sums it up.
OH noGollum: [to Frodo and Sam] We be nice to them, if they be nice to us.
Replace "Gollum" with RR and "Frodo and Sam" with town and that about sums it up.
Are you saying RR is going to bite our finger off?
I am willing to play Frodo in this situation and be nice. Others think being untrusting Sam is the way to go. I mean, gollum does betray them.....but he also "wins the game" for themThis is a good reference.
I am willing to play Frodo in this situation and be nice. Others think being untrusting Sam is the way to go. I mean, gollum does betray them.....but he also "wins the game" for themThis is a good reference.
But I'm not going to betray you.
Setup:
This is a closed RMM setup which I invented. The following information will be made public:
- The setup is on the simpler side, as far as RMM games on f.ds are concerned.
- The town wincon is: "you win when all mafia players have been eliminated."
- Each member of the mafia will know who his partners are.
- If there are factions beside mafia and town, then their win-con will not be mutually exclusive with either mafia or town.
- Cops are not guaranteed to be sane! Of the five possible sanities, (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop) only Random is guaranteed not to appear. Other roles may affect Cop Results.
- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. None of these categories is guaranteed to appear, but each existing role will fit into one of them. If you are not sure which one, you may ask.
- If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.
Flavor:
Game will be flavorless. Alignment will be referenced as Town or Mafia aligned.
I mean, survivor has a win con that works with either faction
I mean, survivor has a win con that works with either faction
Right, but this actually excludes SK, right?
"This setup is on the simpler side"
Rr's claimed role is literally the most complicated role I've seen in recent memory.
"This setup is on the simpler side"
Rr's claimed role is literally the most complicated role I've seen in recent memory.
negative utility???
negative utility???
Incision"negative" for town. Beneficial for scum.
Not Voting (5): pingpongsam, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin, Haddock, Axxle
But don't vote for RRNot Voting (5): pingpongsam, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin, Haddock, Axxle
So. This is bad
There's really no need at all for the repeated attacks on my character/ability/whatever-the-fuck-you-decide-to-insult-next.Haddock's interactions with PPS look more townie to me.
Quoting for Haddock to get the picture of how this thing works.
Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
Agreed. Apologies. I'm still not properly caught up.Not Voting (5): pingpongsam, Roadrunner7671, Ichimaru Gin, Haddock, Axxle
So. This is bad
If we are rejuvenating old wagons I like vote: haddock betterWhy?
Vote: Hydrad
First he was acti-lurking, then he was hedgey, now he's normal-lurking.
It's all bad.
also I'm pretty much willing to kill RR. To me it sounds like hes saying hey i'm on towns side. Unless town starts looking bad and then I might consider going with scum...I don't even get a chance?
well thats just. not good at all.
If it was ss I'd trust him to stay town as hes already done that before. But I don't think I trust RR.
if you guys really want I'd be willing to keep him alive for like a day or something to see what his power and stuff does and if it helps us out. But really I think its in our best interest to get rid of RR.
There's really no need at all for the repeated attacks on my character/ability/whatever-the-fuck-you-decide-to-insult-next.
If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus.
If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus. Or Ichi, for funsies.
If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus.
Well, RR seems to be true, based on the observation that he's posting. Therefore, ¬RR is false. Using this logic, there's no reason to conclude that we could lynch Awaclus.
Why are we voting Awaclus?the better question is why not Awalcus?
Rereads are hard from my phone.
I guess that is a better question.Why are we voting Awaclus?the better question is why not Awalcus?
Rereads are hard from my phone.
the better question is why not Awalcus?
If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus. Or Ichi, for funsies.Rude.
If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus. Or Ichi, for funsies.Rude.
This is probably my favorite post ever.Why is everyone voting for Haddock?I am A sheep
I don't really know what to say to this.There's really no need at all for the repeated attacks on my character/ability/whatever-the-fuck-you-decide-to-insult-next.
While I certainly can't prevent you from taking offense, my point was you said I was inscrutable so I gave you some interaction to work with which proved to have a favorable result. Seems like you might have been appreciative instead of bitter. Whether you like it or understand it, engaging other players is a means of creating interaction that we are all using for analysis. Hateful interaction doesn't tend to foster positive analysis, however.
I really think we need to lynch on the RR wagon. What type of town player would lynch a claimed cop because of the risk that I'll defect soon? I'm obviously not going to, that's a terrible play.is really weak...
I think Hydrad would recognize this, but I feel like Limetime might 'panic' now that there's a cop out there. So a Vote: Limetime seems strong to me.
Clearly our wires have gotten crossed here, we should probably discuss after the game.
OK so moving on to other things.No, that would decrease your chances of lynching scum.
I'm thinking that leaving RR for a day is probably OK - but if the deadline gets close I suggest that RR is the automatic candidate for a last-minute quicklynch, yes?
I'm watching and waiting. I don't know that I have anything to add but am open to entertaining any questions.I have a question-what day do you want to lynch RR assuming no scum have been caught/lynched?
I'm watching and waiting. I don't know that I have anything to add but am open to entertaining any questions.I have a question-what day do you want to lynch RR assuming no scum have been caught/lynched?
unvoteThanks! Why though?
Sorry RR but that's the way it is.This hit close to home. 'That's just the way it is?' You can't challenge that? You accept the 'way it is' with your head down instead of starting something great? How many policy lynches of survivors will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? We're not out to get town. We're helping the town, surviving with them. Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.
Dude, I've never played a game with a Survivor before. So "How many will it take, etc." isn't really going to hit me at all.Sorry RR but that's the way it is.This hit close to home. 'That's just the way it is?' You can't challenge that? You accept the 'way it is' with your head down instead of starting something great? How many policy lynches of survivors will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? We're not out to get town. We're helping the town, surviving with them. Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.
PPE
Is the Awaclus thing a serious deal?
Looks like lots of people are VLA, which kinda sucks.I'm not VLA, and I'd like to chat with you.
Hopefully it won't cause too much of a problem.
Sounds suitably ominous. What's up?You're up. My lynch is unnecessary.
A guarantee of not killing a good town PR is something worth having.
Sorry RR but that's the way it is.This hit close to home. 'That's just the way it is?' You can't challenge that? You accept the 'way it is' with your head down instead of starting something great? How many policy lynches of survivors will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? We're not out to get town. We're helping the town, surviving with them. Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.
PPE
The thing is though, I'm not scum!Sorry RR but that's the way it is.This hit close to home. 'That's just the way it is?' You can't challenge that? You accept the 'way it is' with your head down instead of starting something great? How many policy lynches of survivors will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? We're not out to get town. We're helping the town, surviving with them. Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.
PPE
hmm..
ya I hate when I roll scum and I can't help town out. How many policy lynches of scum will it take for you to realize that we're not all bad? Taking that away merely because of a PM I recieved is inhumane.
(its kinda the same idea. basically for us to trust you we would have to think that your playing slightly against your win con.)
This is not opposition, it's pragmatism. Seriously.I will stay loyal to town as long as they are loyal to me.
I would be more on the fence about it if we knew your sanity. This way we can't get meaningful results out of you til several days in when we can collate things to figure your sanity. I'm not willing to bet on you staying loyal for that long. So your Cop role is essentially meaningless.
Look, let's just lynch awaclus and move on.
Because RR is a cop and RR is basically town aligned.Look, let's just lynch awaclus and move on.
Why is he preferable to RR where we know what we are gonna get or better?
So have you said anything about the insanity thing?Why would I play all my cards right away?
Vote: RoadrunnerWhy are you forcing me to play all my cards?
I don't care about your cards; I'm just forcing you our of this game.Why am I not a good lynch tomorrow? But then you get cop results. Cop results are better than no cop results.
So have you said anything about the insanity thing?Why would I play all my cards right away?
I don't tend to do things in theSo have you said anything about the insanity thing?Why would I play all my cards right away?
I know I would have straight up said I was certain sane even if I wasn't in your position. My guess is you are not certain because I read the bit of setup someone posted that said there are no guarantees of sanity. That you are withholding this bit doesn't add up at all. If you were certain you would have said so up front.
C'mon guys. I can literally FEEL scum rubbing their hands together with glee at the stalling that's going down.I have a townread on you, but my vote wasn't a sheep, it was just defaulting back to a previous wagon (I hadn't seen that you voted until after I revoted anyway)
Axxle, question for you. You said you only sheep people you have townreads on, and you kinda sheeped me onto Hydrad not long ago. Yet (I've been rereading you) early you had a scumread on me. Which of the two things have changed?
Claiming survivor early actually creates an interesting scenario. He really does count as town until we don't need him and can just lynch him
Claiming survivor early actually creates an interesting scenario. He really does count as town until we don't need him and can just lynch him
Or the bit he isn't telling us is what blows up in our face for waiting which is why he is so smug about it.
finished my reread. I know who I want to vote for. But you guys will have to wait until after dinner to hear!
Claiming survivor early actually creates an interesting scenario. He really does count as town until we don't need him and can just lynch him
Or the bit he isn't telling us is what blows up in our face for waiting which is why he is so smug about it.
I missed that part. I thought he was just a survivor cop, maybe with proven sanity?
So I'd love to hear e's case on me since he started the wagon and noone else has offered any reason.
but I do still want to see e's case.
where is everybody. have to vote for haddock now. totes scum
where is everybody. have to vote for haddock now. totes scum
I'm already voting for him.
4 down 3 to go!
Lycnh!
lynch!
I don't care about your cards; I'm just forcing you our of this game.
Are you scum?
I can go for haddock. Or one of the people who aren't voting. We have less than a day? You definitely need to get votes on the table.
vote: Haddock
I can go for haddock. Or one of the people who aren't voting. We have less than a day? You definitely need to get votes on the table.
vote: Haddock
I mean, look at your positions. popular wagon )because I mae it popular)
or people not voting. like. totes easy votes for scum!grkieg to make
Also that is L-1
Also that is L-1
NOPE only L-2. math. i count numbbers good
But I am invisible.
So. I like my vote where it is. On Haddock.Dude. I was defending you from a vote placed by a new player for a not very good reason. Simple as that.So I'd love to hear e's case on me since he started the wagon and noone else has offered any reason.
Lets do it.
This was the reason (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg573879#msg573879) I first cast my vote on Haddock. It felt like he was building a case before a case could be made. Not just on me, but on anyone. Anyway. I thought it was worth a vote. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg573942#msg573942)
And then we get an Awaclus vote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg574145#msg574145). How original. It's not like you won't have people agreeing that Awaclus is scummy. But really, all he had done to that point was argue grammar. Hardly anything scummy. But still, a nice place to hang out on.
Then we get to his first response (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg574328#msg574328) to "THE WAGON." (at this time it is e, Ichimaru Gin, Axxle, Limetime (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg574288#msg574288))
He does several things here:
1) Insists on an official "case"
2) Calls everyone sheepy
3) Claims he hasn't even posted enough for that many people to think he is scummy
Now, I will take those on one by one.
1) Insisting on an official case on D1 is nice and all, and it is a great way for people to think you aren't a great lynch. Because there is no case! I mean, even this long post is nothing but my random ideas about you and how I think you are more scummy than other people except for like one post that I will talk about later.
2) Discrediting votes is scummy
3) Just not true
He then has this really cool nice unbiased reasoned (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg574365#msg574365)out post about his attitude toward wagons. Good stuff. Except he even admits that he does it as town and scum (again, that unbiased nonsense that people use to make them look cool and rational and townie. Because it is cool and townie)People also do that "unbiased nonsense" when they're town.
Well, I already explained the case thing, and it sure is frustrating to get lynched D1 as scum. I mean, you like let your whole team down. It sucks.
He then gets some unvotes, cools down, and we get this:but I do still want to see e's case.
And yes. I am still working on it. Give me some time. For realz.
He is now in the clear, and able to post some good reads (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg574667#msg574667). Except he forgets that he used to find Awaclus scummy. I mean, I seriously doubt that is a partner tell, I think it is more of "I am listing 5 people, who do I think we can lynch and who else can I throw in there" tell.I think frustration vote is a fair way to describe my original vote on Awaclus. Then I went back to null on him.
Except wait. He does replly to why Awaclus used to be scummy and is not anymore. He was just frustrated with Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg575541#msg575541). It was a frustration read not a logic read (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg575553#msg575553) and therefore invalid. But wait! Much later he is back to Awaclus as a real vote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg576810#msg576810). Now I am really confused.
And so here we have him. Sitting on Awaclus. With a voting history of Awaclus, Hydrad, and RR. Best Votes Ever!I really hadn't realised just how bad my vote history looks this game. I agree it looks bad. But I'm not going to edit my reads (which are genuine) to look townier. I'll do other things to look towny probably but not that.
Upon death I'm forced to distribute results among the remaining players.
Considering we can't trust cop results I am in favor of removing any claimed cops from the game.That's batshit. And scummy. I'm guaranteed to remain loyal to town, unlike some, so we'll be able to deduce my sanity at some point.
Considering we can't trust cop results I am in favor of removing any claimed cops from the game.That's batshit. And scummy. I'm guaranteed to remain loyal to town, unlike some, so we'll be able to deduce my sanity at some point.
If you believe my claim there is no way that lynching me is ever even remotely valid play.
Weren't you really against my Gkrieg votes earlier?
vote: rrIs that L-1?
I don't think that is l-1.
Still want an answer from gkrieg before I unvote. I don't think it's a believable claim without a modifier.
WW what feels like what, sorry? I don't remember whatever it is youre referring to.
vote: rr this is silly.No, this is silly.
Does noone agree with me that an unmodified watcher does not feel believable in an RMM game, particularly as the third investigative role?I am positive that this game has an investigation theme, but no modifier seems crazy.
Gahhhhh.Other people agre. If no ond joins my wagon one of those better options will happen.
If it weren't four hours to deadline I would not be satisfied by that. But what choice do I have.
vote: RR
There are several better options imo. But noone agrees.
@mod: if deadline is reached with no majority vote is it a no lynch or will the person with the plurality of the votes get lynched?
No, e, sorry that's not a good case on chairs. This is how chairs always is. We have to wait to see what his vote history looks like once we have some flips.
I have something about my role that I'll wait to share.Your alignment?
What is the case on me again?
I'm gonna be gone for the rest of the day most likely, so I'll claim right now.
I'm a watcher
GG. I don't think there's anything left that I can say.Claiming a nontown alignment is very dangerous.
In this instance it didn't seem to be.GG. I don't think there's anything left that I can say.Claiming a nontown alignment is very dangerous.
And even harder to believe your results when you claim you might lie about them in threadI claimed that because I didn't want to get NKed.
Obviously, but if you want scum to believe that you shouldn't be surprised when town believes it too.And even harder to believe your results when you claim you might lie about them in threadI claimed that because I didn't want to get NKed.
Should I full claim before I flip?Might as well, if you don't do anything else you're def going to be lynched.
I'm already lynched!Should I full claim before I flip?Might as well, if you don't do anything else you're def going to be lynched.
Anyone want to take a guess as to why there was no NK?
Also I missed the part where RR was town? I thought he claimed survivor?
I would like to hear Ichi describe who he targeted last night.But you already know, don't you?
I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.Well I wish you wouldn't have done that.
So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
I targeted WW. Not claiming more than that atm.
Also heading to class soon.
Nope.I targeted WW. Not claiming more than that atm.
Also heading to class soon.
Have you claimed your role before?
I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.
So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
I did think that was an odd thing to ask as well.I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.
So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
Do you have reason to doubt a RB would prevent a NK? Isn't Strongman basically the only case where it doesn't?
Oh, by the way I'm a friendly neighbor and targeted e, so I should be an IC as soon as he gets in here (unless he's scum and wants to out himself).
Oh, by the way I'm a friendly neighbor and targeted e, so I should be an IC as soon as he gets in here (unless he's scum and wants to out himself).
What's friendly neighbor?
I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.
So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
Do you have reason to doubt a RB would prevent a NK? Isn't Strongman basically the only case where it doesn't?
Seems like IG wouldn't have claimed his target accurately if he was scum though so I'm not sold this makes ww an ic.Town points to chairs.
Seems like IG wouldn't have claimed his target accurately if he was scum though so I'm not sold this makes ww an ic.Town points to chairs.
Im interested people implicitly thought i was telling the truth.
phone post
Seems like IG wouldn't have claimed his target accurately if he was scum though so I'm not sold this makes ww an ic.Town points to chairs.
Im interested people implicitly thought i was telling the truth.
phone post
You would have told the truth to not look scummy as hell when I claimed to have watched you or whatever role gives the name of your target.
Why would you ask what you did as a tracker though?Seems like IG wouldn't have claimed his target accurately if he was scum though so I'm not sold this makes ww an ic.Town points to chairs.
Im interested people implicitly thought i was telling the truth.
phone post
You would have told the truth to not look scummy as hell when I claimed to have watched you or whatever role gives the name of your target.
I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.
So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
Do you have reason to doubt a RB would prevent a NK? Isn't Strongman basically the only case where it doesn't?
Yes, I wasn't sure if there was specific member of the scum team the NK action was attributed to. I made sure to clarify that were I to RB the correct scum member that the NK would in fact be blocked.
I'm also concerned that this could be scum pps trying to sow seeds of confusion in hopes of mass claim as the result, which could out any potential protective roles.
I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.
So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
Do you have reason to doubt a RB would prevent a NK? Isn't Strongman basically the only case where it doesn't?
Yes, I wasn't sure if there was specific member of the scum team the NK action was attributed to. I made sure to clarify that were I to RB the correct scum member that the NK would in fact be blocked.
Huh? I've never seen the NK not be an action taken by one of the players.
Oh, by the way I'm a friendly neighbor and targeted e, so I should be an IC as soon as he gets in here (unless he's scum and wants to out himself).
I'd like to hear any alternative explanations for the missing NK.
So IG you jumped up some scum points! hurrah!You know I have to vote you now.
I will support a Vote: IchiBut you're actually alone now.
I will support a Vote: IchiBut you're actually alone now.
I'd like to hear any alternative explanations for the missing NK.
A doctor, another roleblocker, a jailkeeper, 1-shot BP. All potential NK prevention.
I'm not sure why I have votes at all.
Word.I'm not sure why I have votes at all.
because you are scummy
I don't think I like your trying to get people to out themselves. I see that there's a town motivation for it - you think you can out Ichi - but if you're town you should realise that the existence of a protective role is not that unlikely and if there is then there's a good chance it would prevent the kill since there was an obvious kill target (myself).I'd like to hear any alternative explanations for the missing NK.
A doctor, another roleblocker, a jailkeeper, 1-shot BP. All potential NK prevention.
Thank you, captain obvious. I meant more along the lines of "I jailkept player and no NK means he might be scum". Clearly if the claim is bad for town like, say, Doctor, then you keep quiet.
Wait, what? No, I meant vote: Limetime !!Just because I voted for you means I'm scum. OK
Brain fade, sorry. It's early.
Wait, what? No, I meant vote: Limetime !!Just because I voted for you means I'm scum. OK
Brain fade, sorry. It's early.
I'm happy with either gkrieg or limetime here.
Chairs I get what you're saying. It seems my finding limetime scummy is pretty unusual, so i can see how that would give you pause.
But you either believe my claim or you don't. If you do then it follows that my gkrieg vote is, at least, not scum driven. If you don't, vote for me instead!
I'm not asking you to follow me onto limetime. But do have a look at his vote history and the context of all of his votes yesterday. It looks pretty awful to me.
Hmm interestingYou owe ichi a dollar.
But you either believe my claim or you don't. If you do then it follows that my gkrieg vote is, at least, not scum driven. If you don't, vote for me instead!
The IG / PPS thing is pretty interesting.
I think it is pretty safe to assume that there are other reasons beside the roleblock that can explain the lack of NK. It is definitely something to keep on the back burner though.
The way PPS seems so sure about it is kinda assertive, so I guess I lean more scum on him.
I have a wagon. Oh no, I don't know what to do.
You should ridicule them for voting for you for no reason whatsoever. Then ask them for their reasons. Hopefully they give you 3 points or something. Then you take each point and destroy it by irrefutable logic.
I'm feeling on the scummier side for Limetime. I also just learned that he is only 14, but has a very different style than RR. But I definitely would lynch him today.He's only 14? That tends to make reads less reliable. I guess back to vote: gkrieg. We can do Limetime later when we've seen more of him.
vote: Limetime
Well I was talking to chairs, who doesn't seem to have a problem following it. But I thought it was pretty clear - what's your issue with it?But you either believe my claim or you don't. If you do then it follows that my gkrieg vote is, at least, not scum driven. If you don't, vote for me instead!
I don't get what you are going for here
Sorry guys, I'm finally aroundToo many investigative roles have been claimed. The existence of several non-investigative roles kills the idea of there being an investigation theme. And you still haven't claimed a modifier. That's plenty.
@Haddock, why was my claim scummy?
I'm feeling on the scummier side for Limetime. I also just learned that he is only 14, but has a very different style than RR. But I definitely would lynch him today.He's only 14? That tends to make reads less reliable. I guess back to vote: gkrieg. We can do Limetime later when we've seen more of him.
vote: LimetimeWell I was talking to chairs, who doesn't seem to have a problem following it. But I thought it was pretty clear - what's your issue with it?But you either believe my claim or you don't. If you do then it follows that my gkrieg vote is, at least, not scum driven. If you don't, vote for me instead!
I don't get what you are going for hereSorry guys, I'm finally aroundToo many investigative roles have been claimed. The existence of several non-investigative roles kills the idea of there being an investigation theme. And you still haven't claimed a modifier. That's plenty.
@Haddock, why was my claim scummy?
I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.
I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.
I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.
Have to admit that seems awfully convenient to claim the one of two things we already know happened last night.
Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.
gah I'm having trouble keeping track of PRs. I'm gunna make a list.
PPS: RB
IG: targetted WW (got blocked most likely)
Awaclus: Friendly neighbour
E: verified awaclus
gkrieg: targeted e and saw that WW and awaclus targeted him also. (kinda watcher?)
WW: can target.
Hydrad: Most strongest and cool ability that is totally a secret but really good
I think thats all I know.
Did I miss any?
I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.
Have to admit that seems awfully convenient to claim the one of two things we already know happened last night.
It's a bit of a stretch for him to correctly guess that I targeted e. There are, however, ways he could know this and still be lying.
gah I'm having trouble keeping track of PRs. I'm gunna make a list.Also I'm a persistent cop. But haven't yet claimed my target.
PPS: RB
IG: targetted WW (got blocked most likely)
Awaclus: Friendly neighbour
E: verified awaclus
gkrieg: targeted e and saw that WW and awaclus targeted him also. (kinda watcher?)
WW: can target.
Hydrad: Most strongest and cool ability that is totally a secret but really good
I think thats all I know.
Did I miss any?
Why exactly do i have a wagon?
Horrific vote history and vote-context.
I feel bad. He's fourteen and he's new. But his yesterday looks awful.
False dichotomy.Why exactly do i have a wagon?
Either because you are scum or half of the wagon is scum. Which is more likely?
False dichotomy.Why exactly do i have a wagon?
Either because you are scum or half of the wagon is scum. Which is more likely?
Why exactly do i have a wagon?
The context might be bad, but I didn't think his voting history is that bad. He votes for 4 different people. Haddock, RR, e, and Hydrad. He switches between them and ultimately is not on a mislynch. He has a few sheepy votes, which isn't horrible for a newbie.If you don't see what I see, I don't really know what to tell you. The timing of the votes is suspicious in every case, he's hopping from wagon to wagon like he's desperate to get a lynch through and he's not voting in good places - the exception being Hydrad, maybe, who I found scummy as well.
So I guess I want an explanation for why you think his vote history and context were that bad.
I still need a explanation for why I am scum.
I am town because I am not scum.I still need a explanation for why I am scum.
No you don't. We need an explanation for why you're town.
Also onus probandiI still need a explanation for why I am scum.
No you don't. We need an explanation for why you're town.
Also onus probandiI still need a explanation for why I am scum.
No you don't. We need an explanation for why you're town.
Also, if he flips scum this looks great for awacky
I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.
Hmm.
I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.
Are you sure it was WW? I watched WW and Haddock didn't target him
That's what it says. It doesn't say when he got that result though, so unless you targeted WW both nights, it could be from N1.
vote: pps.
because I think he's scum!
8) 8) ;D
because I think he's scum!
8) 8) ;D
Well I think your scum :)
Vote: chairs
because I think he's scum!
8) 8) ;D
Well I think your scum :)
Vote: chairs
If I was scum, why in blue blazes would I confirm Awaclus as Town?
Another, less obviously mislynchable player, maybe, but AWACLUS?
(No offense Awaclus - but you are one of the easiest to mislynch players in the game).
Oh, good point. I didn't realize somebody had already confirmed him.
Vote: Ichibut why?
Vote: Ichibut why?
Because I'm town.Vote: Ichibut why?
Why not?
Also forgot we already hit scum which changes my reads somewhat. Feel less confident on a Ichi/chairs pair but still feel great on Ichi being scum. Like he is scum for sure.Well I know I'm not, so could you enlighten me as to how you know "for sure".
Also forgot we already hit scum which changes my reads somewhat. Feel less confident on a Ichi/chairs pair but still feel great on Ichi being scum. Like he is scum for sure.Well I know I'm not, so could you enlighten me as to how you know "for sure".
I think that's patently unfair. I haven't been as active lately, but I've been busy with school and stuff. My vote on Limetime was mostly out of laziness, but I was right.
PPE: 1
Well looks like you've got it all figured out. If people are convicted to see everything I do through a particular (scum) lens, it doesn't matter how townie I am.I think that's patently unfair. I haven't been as active lately, but I've been busy with school and stuff. My vote on Limetime was mostly out of laziness, but I was right.
PPE: 1
Your vote on Limetime was giving up hope in your partner and trying to get town cred
Well looks like you've got it all figured out. If people are convicted to see everything I do through a particular (scum) lens, it doesn't matter how townie I am.I think that's patently unfair. I haven't been as active lately, but I've been busy with school and stuff. My vote on Limetime was mostly out of laziness, but I was right.
PPE: 1
Your vote on Limetime was giving up hope in your partner and trying to get town cred
Unfortunately, in this game, that's entirely determined by what other players think of me. It doesn't matter that I think I'm townie, the majority gets to decide what "townie" actually is.Well looks like you've got it all figured out. If people are convicted to see everything I do through a particular (scum) lens, it doesn't matter how townie I am.I think that's patently unfair. I haven't been as active lately, but I've been busy with school and stuff. My vote on Limetime was mostly out of laziness, but I was right.
PPE: 1
Your vote on Limetime was giving up hope in your partner and trying to get town cred
Well, how townie are you?
Unfortunately, in this game, that's entirely determined by what other players think of me. It doesn't matter that I think I'm townie, the majority gets to decide what "townie" actually is.
Because I got a PM saying I am town, and I'm normally pretty obvious as town. I tried to get the game going for a long time, before losing some interest and then being more active when stuff actually started happening again. I'm limited in how much I can contribute because I'm pretty busy, but I had my vote on scum yesterday, and I feel really good about that.Unfortunately, in this game, that's entirely determined by what other players think of me. It doesn't matter that I think I'm townie, the majority gets to decide what "townie" actually is.
Well, it certainly doesn't matter that you think you're townie. What matters is why.
Because I got a PM saying I am town, and I'm normally pretty obvious as town.
What does that even mean? Clearly people have formed an opinion of me and when I tried to give examples already, they have their own ways to write them off as something scum would do.Because I got a PM saying I am town, and I'm normally pretty obvious as town.
Great. Can you point out specific instances of you being pretty obviously town in this game?
So nobody saw somebody doing something last night? I mean, I targeted someone and I was hoping that would be a big old case against me today or something since my explanation for the target is super scummy sounding. I am not going to do the work for you, though.
What does that even mean? Clearly people have formed an opinion of me and when I tried to give examples already, they have their own ways to write them off as something scum would do.
I've never been concerned about projecting being townie because I'm used to people (eventually) realizing that towni!Ichi is town!Ichi. But you know, if me being alive is going to distract and people are just gonna want to lynch me at lylo or something, go ahead. I just want town to win, and it's not like I'm a really strong PR or anything.
I will claim if people want me to.
Sweet, it worked anyways.
Yes, my meta has long been to draw attention and scrutiny to create interaction; more specifically to help me determine who scum actually are.
Lo and behold the two scummiest people I know vote me immediately with just the slightest of nudges.
I didn't think it would be this easy.
Vote Count 1 Final
Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin
Not Voting (1): pingpongsam
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch..
Thread locked!
Vote Count 2 Final
Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): WitherweaverLimetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Sweet, it worked anyways.
Yes, my meta has long been to draw attention and scrutiny to create interaction; more specifically to help me determine who scum actually are.
Lo and behold the two scummiest people I know vote me immediately with just the slightest of nudges.
I didn't think it would be this easy.
This is rich considering that I am the (most likely) reason you lost a NK. The real question is why you didn't go for me last night. Oh, because you'd rather have a claimed cop and then try this stunt on me today.
"I am self-aware of my meta and am using this to excuse myself from trying to figure out what happened that kept us from killing Haddock night 1".
Sweet, it worked anyways.
Yes, my meta has long been to draw attention and scrutiny to create interaction; more specifically to help me determine who scum actually are.
Lo and behold the two scummiest people I know vote me immediately with just the slightest of nudges.
I didn't think it would be this easy.
"I am self-aware of my meta and am using this to excuse myself from trying to figure out what happened that kept us from killing Haddock night 1".
I'm bored. I feel like I should claim.
I'm bored. I feel like I should claim.Don'tDO it. It is D3. Great day for claims
Yeah, I was so excited to lynch RR D1. I mean, I only waited until a couple hours before deadline and voted to insure a lynch and tried to push alternative wagons the rest of the day. Totally in favor of the RR lynch
Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today
Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today
So you think that Haddock was insane?
Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today
So you think that Haddock was insane?
Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today
So you think that Haddock was insane?
Did he give a result? I don't remember that happening
I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.
Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today
So you think that Haddock was insane?
Did he give a result? I don't remember that happening
No, but I did.I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.
Since no one like my case on e, I'll look at WW later today
So you think that Haddock was insane?
Did he give a result? I don't remember that happening
No, but I did.I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.
That's why I didn't see it in the reread.
So should someone else have received a result for his D1? I guess I don't know how persistent works.
There are lots of possibilities with his sanity, seeing as he probably didn't find scum D1, I'm not sure we can completely trust his results
I think the innocent on WW was his N1 result, because last night he got killed before he could use his ability.
Actually I'm back to thinking there was scum on my wagon.
vote: Witherweaver is the obvious choice. The scummiest of vote histories.
Wait, what? No, I meant vote: Limetime !!
Brain fade, sorry. It's early.
Haddock has died in the night. He was a Town-Aligned Cop.
Day 3 start!
Vote Count 1 Final
Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin
Not Voting (1): pingpongsam
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch..
Thread locked!
Vote Count 2 Final
Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): WitherweaverLimetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Ok. Maybe I did overreact to the amount of pressure on me. I don't want to claim super early, because I know that's bad. I just wanted to let people know that I will claim if it comes to it.
I still don't understand what PPS was trying to accomplish with hoping someone saw him do something scummy.
Ok. That actually makes pretty good sense. unvoteOk. Maybe I did overreact to the amount of pressure on me. I don't want to claim super early, because I know that's bad. I just wanted to let people know that I will claim if it comes to it.
I still don't understand what PPS was trying to accomplish with hoping someone saw him do something scummy.
I'm not saying what I did was scummy. In fact, it was the most pro town thing I could think of. But if someone saw it and I explained it it would be easy to paint as scummy and that would be pretty great because in order to paint it scummy you'd have to have motive to paint me scum because it is just as easy to construe it town (being as it was).
Ok. Maybe I did overreact to the amount of pressure on me. I don't want to claim super early, because I know that's bad. I just wanted to let people know that I will claim if it comes to it.
I still don't understand what PPS was trying to accomplish with hoping someone saw him do something scummy.
I'm not saying what I did was scummy. In fact, it was the most pro town thing I could think of. But if someone saw it and I explained it it would be easy to paint as scummy and that would be pretty great because in order to paint it scummy you'd have to have motive to paint me scum because it is just as easy to construe it town (being as it was).
I received Haddock's result that WW is innocent.
Are you sure it was WW? I watched WW and Haddock didn't target him
Vote: Ichi
I am totally not claiming anything no matter what. L-1, whatever. No claim
Welp. I'm sad it had to come to this.
I'm a town voyeur.
I voyeured WW N1 (obviously), got nada.
Last night, I voyeured Awaclus and saw that no actions were used on him.
Did anyone target awaclus last night?
If IG flips town this will be the ultimate confusion of night action results... And I will probably get mislynched, and then there will be no clue who scum actually is because it sure looks like it is IG/chairs right now.scum PPS covering himself.
If IG flips town this will be the ultimate confusion of night action results... And I will probably get mislynched, and then there will be no clue who scum actually is because it sure looks like it is IG/chairs right now.scum PPS covering himself.
I know what I saw, and I saw that Awaclus had nothing performed on him.
If IG flips town this will be the ultimate confusion of night action results... And I will probably get mislynched, and then there will be no clue who scum actually is because it sure looks like it is IG/chairs right now.scum PPS covering himself.
I know what I saw, and I saw that Awaclus had nothing performed on him.
Either I was redirected, or you were redirected, or you are scum. I suppose for everyone else the possibility exists I am scum. So four possibilities, here.
Also, you may have watched me in some scum way so you knew I targeted Awaclus which is why you named him as part of this frame up.
Also, why would you roleblock Awaclus?
I voyeured him because he's basically an IC, and I expected stuff to happen to him.
Chairs also confirmed that he received Awaclus' message last night. You can't ignore that.
I think you're the one who is lying.
PPE: 1
So, I'm not sure how I am making every effort to paint you as scum when I am acknowledging and exploring the alternative possibilities. I'm just saying it looks real bad for you right now but I can see the tables turning on me, here.Huh. So now you say you didn't roleblock Awaclus; you did something else. Seems convenient.
Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.
PPE: hydrad
I haven't been keeping up with all the PPEs. But yeah. I don't care if you say that pretending to be scum is a joke or a gambit or something. It's sowing confusion. I don't think it gives any useful information like I guess you think it does.Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.
PPE: hydrad
Even when I already said that was my hope and then it appeared out of thin air?
Ichi is lying. Explanation when I get home. But will not vote anywhere else.I can guarantee one thousand percent that I'm not.
Welp. I'm sad it had to come to this.
I'm a town voyeur.
I voyeured WW N1 (obviously), got nada.
Last night, I voyeured Awaclus and saw that no actions were used on him.
Dude. I was roleblocked N1. I got no result. nada.Welp. I'm sad it had to come to this.
I'm a town voyeur.
I voyeured WW N1 (obviously), got nada.
Last night, I voyeured Awaclus and saw that no actions were used on him.
I was targeted Night 1 by Haddock. This is truth.
You're lying or you're insane.
I haven't been keeping up with all the PPEs. But yeah. I don't care if you say that pretending to be scum is a joke or a gambit or something. It's sowing confusion. I don't think it gives any useful information like I guess you think it does.Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.
PPE: hydrad
Even when I already said that was my hope and then it appeared out of thin air?
How am I supposed to know that you can (supposedly) do other stuff besides roleblock. You can make up whatever you want, but to me it looks like you're patching holes in your story.
Um. I wouldn't call the completely missing the point. I think I fundamentally disagree with how you define what it is that you do. I don't think I was aware that it was your meta; if so, I guess that changes things slightly. So you have ways of acting that you want "scum" to jump on that true "town" would somehow not suspect you for? You purposefully create these opportunities and then you think only scum respond to them?I haven't been keeping up with all the PPEs. But yeah. I don't care if you say that pretending to be scum is a joke or a gambit or something. It's sowing confusion. I don't think it gives any useful information like I guess you think it does.Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.
PPE: hydrad
Even when I already said that was my hope and then it appeared out of thin air?
How am I supposed to know that you can (supposedly) do other stuff besides roleblock. You can make up whatever you want, but to me it looks like you're patching holes in your story.
You completely miss the point. I am not pretending to be scum. I am presenting opportunities scum cannot resist. It's a fine line and I have been chastised and lynched for doing it my whole career. I'm trying to elevate it to art, though.
You can't know I would have other abilities and scum wants to point out how scummy I would have been for role blocking. Scum wants to ask what I really did because I've already baited that it's even easier to paint as scummy than role blocking is. But that would be awfully scummy to fish for.
The problem here is I think you may just possibly somehow be town. If you are I get mislynched and it looks real bad for us then. But I think we are past the point of no return with this one and when we all see what happened last night it will be a hoot how it convinced town to self immolate. But there's still some contingency left and also an outstanding chance you are caught scum so we should lynch you today.
oh yeah...he was roleblocked.Nope.
never mind then. still scum.
Um. I wouldn't call the completely missing the point. I think I fundamentally disagree with how you define what it is that you do. I don't think I was aware that it was your meta; if so, I guess that changes things slightly. So you have ways of acting that you want "scum" to jump on that true "town" would somehow not suspect you for? You purposefully create these opportunities and then you think only scum respond to them?I haven't been keeping up with all the PPEs. But yeah. I don't care if you say that pretending to be scum is a joke or a gambit or something. It's sowing confusion. I don't think it gives any useful information like I guess you think it does.Miss the fun part I had hoped would happen. You want me to look bad for role locking an obvtown but I didn't but my actual,action will be the easiest one to say is a lie. Hope you are having fun because I have a Mafia boner right now.Wow. You can't stop me from calling scum behavior scummy. It's not amusing to have these little games to pretend to be scummy and then cast suspicion on those who "bite".
That sort of behavior just causes confusion.
PPE: hydrad
Even when I already said that was my hope and then it appeared out of thin air?
How am I supposed to know that you can (supposedly) do other stuff besides roleblock. You can make up whatever you want, but to me it looks like you're patching holes in your story.
You completely miss the point. I am not pretending to be scum. I am presenting opportunities scum cannot resist. It's a fine line and I have been chastised and lynched for doing it my whole career. I'm trying to elevate it to art, though.
You can't know I would have other abilities and scum wants to point out how scummy I would have been for role blocking. Scum wants to ask what I really did because I've already baited that it's even easier to paint as scummy than role blocking is. But that would be awfully scummy to fish for.
The problem here is I think you may just possibly somehow be town. If you are I get mislynched and it looks real bad for us then. But I think we are past the point of no return with this one and when we all see what happened last night it will be a hoot how it convinced town to self immolate. But there's still some contingency left and also an outstanding chance you are caught scum so we should lynch you today.
So, Ichi, assuming you and I are both town who do you think is scum, here?I find Hydrad very suspicious. If I'm not mistaken, it only takes one fiddly role to get us to the situation we are at now (under the assumption we're both town).
Dude. I was roleblocked N1. I got no result. nada.Welp. I'm sad it had to come to this.
I'm a town voyeur.
I voyeured WW N1 (obviously), got nada.
Last night, I voyeured Awaclus and saw that no actions were used on him.
I was targeted Night 1 by Haddock. This is truth.
You're lying or you're insane.
alright, I think this is the part where I trade myself for scum, because I am 100% confident PPS is Mafia and also 100% confident Mafia has already guessed this based on my tunneling of him.
I believe I am the reason there was no NK N1. I am a Doctor and targetted Haddock N1. It's my contention that PPS is, in fact, a roleblocker - but a Mafia one, who roleblocked me N2 thus preventing me from doctoring Haddock.
alright, I think this is the part where I trade myself for scum, because I am 100% confident PPS is Mafia and also 100% confident Mafia has already guessed this based on my tunneling of him.
I believe I am the reason there was no NK N1. I am a Doctor and targetted Haddock N1. It's my contention that PPS is, in fact, a roleblocker - but a Mafia one, who roleblocked me N2 thus preventing me from doctoring Haddock.
Well. You fail Mafia if you are 100% on my alignment. You only get to do that under some very limited circumstances with a lot of known information. Circumstances include being a sane cop with no possibility of redirection or being in a game with a reduced population where you and the IC and a scum are left.
I am 100% sure I am town but I make no such certainty about anyone else's alignment so I would claim to at least be playing the more intelligent game, here. In fact, making such bold assertions is scummy on its face.
Now, I'm not sure why scum!chairs would make this claim even if it were to try to save a sinking Ichi/chairs ship. I'm inclined to believe the claim because it felt like a pretty long shot to have role blocked the NK on N1 (although a successful doctoring isn't too much longer). It felt even longer to have caught the next scum in a lie with my actions. That said, I feel way better about the likelihood that Ichi is lying about his interaction with awaclus.
The exists a very real,possibility I got redirected last night. I mean if scum has a redirect or and the first day I claim role blocking how could they not resist sending my block a known direction.
Chairs, who did you Doctor last night and why?
And as you can see, the doctoring failed, which implies strongman or roleblocking. From my angle, the narrative is "pps claimed roleblocker, and wasn't lying about role, just alignment", you saw my opinion that your claim to be responsible for preventing the NK was bunk and determined I was some sort of protective role, but wanted to drop the persistent cop before he could provide too much info to town so you just rb'd me.
Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?
Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?
I'll look at it again later today ( I'm on mobile right now). From skimming it looks like there are a couple of reasons for the lack of N1 NK. Does it mean we have to either say the team is chairs/IG or that it is PPs/? Does scum who missed on the NK try to claim something to target someone else and get them lynched? I think that is the real question we have to answer about PPS. The other thing I can think of that I find strange here is that limetime flipped as mafia-aligned. Where the town people have flipped with their role included. I'm still thinking this through.
Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?
I'll look at it again later today ( I'm on mobile right now). From skimming it looks like there are a couple of reasons for the lack of N1 NK. Does it mean we have to either say the team is chairs/IG or that it is PPs/? Does scum who missed on the NK try to claim something to target someone else and get them lynched? I think that is the real question we have to answer about PPS. The other thing I can think of that I find strange here is that limetime flipped as mafia-aligned. Where the town people have flipped with their role included. I'm still thinking this through.
What i was really asking is why you didn't hammer IG when the wagon progressed and it looked like he was totally caught in a lie. Like, where was your head at then, not where do we go from here.
Um. What do you mean "actually" targeted. You claim to have targeted Awaclus with something. My witness is that no one targeted Awaclus at all.And as you can see, the doctoring failed, which implies strongman or roleblocking. From my angle, the narrative is "pps claimed roleblocker, and wasn't lying about role, just alignment", you saw my opinion that your claim to be responsible for preventing the NK was bunk and determined I was some sort of protective role, but wanted to drop the persistent cop before he could provide too much info to town so you just rb'd me.
That seems like a fair analysis to take away if you are telling the truth. Too bad we have no witness of who I actually targeted last night to prove you wrong (but not necessarily scum).
Interesting that scum goes for Haddock twice in a row and you doctor him twice in a row.
Well, it was clearly not roleblock because my night action got through.Well i saw that no one targeted you with anything. Pps not telling us what he supposedly did to you gives no reason whatsoever to think he actually targeted you. Now if whatever he did had a measurable effector he has a result, that changes things. For now, i dont see any reason to believe him. Though its of course possible that I or PPS were interfered with.
Here's my reasoning:
The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target. Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.
Here's my reasoning:
The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target. Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.
This would be a pretty good hypothesis, but the only problem I have with it that it doesn't assume that Ichi is scum.
But im not scum. Pps wants you to think i am though.Here's my reasoning:
The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target. Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.
This would be a pretty good hypothesis, but the only problem I have with it that it doesn't assume that Ichi is scum.
But im not scum. Pps wants you to think i am though.Here's my reasoning:
The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target. Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.
This would be a pretty good hypothesis, but the only problem I have with it that it doesn't assume that Ichi is scum.
Im not as wedded to the idea that he has to be scum. I knew that something else was the cause of the no kill N1 because Im just a harmless voyeur.
Ppe 1
Check again. I was on scum lynch.
More fuel for you wanting to paint me as scum.
Hell I was so unattached that I was actually analyzing the on-wagon persons from yesterday's lynching assuming all people off wagon were town.... .... when the wagon was on scum.
Clearly i am loosing sight of what is going on for me to be thinking that outside the box.
No, scum had to be off wagon and I know I am not scum so that leaves Ichi, chairs and gkrieg. Of those I still feel strongly that ichi/chairs is the best place to look. chairs claiming to doctor N1 to discredit my roleblocking is just icing on the cake. I say go ahead and mislynch me because who to kill from here on out is obvious.
I mean, I can see how we are all being duped but the likelihood of both remaining scum being on yesterday's wagon is just not worth considering IMHO.
I think he is.
Im not sure. I said earlier i wantes to be careful not to accept his claim just because it favors me. Im not sure why scum chairs would want you lynched over me though.I think he is.
Do you believe chairs?
Im not sure. I said earlier i wantes to be careful not to accept his claim just because it favors me. Im not sure why scum chairs would want you lynched over me though.I think he is.
Do you believe chairs?
Im not sure. I said earlier i wantes to be careful not to accept his claim just because it favors me. Im not sure why scum chairs would want you lynched over me though.I think he is.
Do you believe chairs?
That part is easy, because he can logically provide a manner by which his results refute my claims. I think I am starting to believe chairs too.
chairs, why were you off wagon yesterday?
God, I don't know. Here's a copy of the final vote results.
Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver
Limetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime
I'm pretty sure I'm, like, confirmed town.Well could we hear more from you then?
vote: Hydrad.
lynch is the correct term, unless you're scummy mcscumlord.
Um. I'm confused. Awaclus said that he's a friendly neighbor. That just means he can send people messages saying that he is town.
Anyone can receive them. Only Awaclus is basically confirmed as an IC now. Not the people he targets.
Um. I'm confused. Awaclus said that he's a friendly neighbor. That just means he can send people messages saying that he is town.
Anyone can receive them. Only Awaclus is basically confirmed as an IC now. Not the people he targets.
I haven't targeted WW. But Haddock did and I received that result when Haddock died.
I totally agree that we can't trust cops results. I have reason to believe WW is town external to haddock's result.
I do have my reservations. Scenarios exist where WW is, in fact, scum. But I think we are much more likely to find scum in pps/chairs/ichi.
I totally agree that we can't trust cops results. I have reason to believe WW is town external to haddock's result.
I do have my reservations. Scenarios exist where WW is, in fact, scum. But I think we are much more likely to find scum in pps/chairs/ichi.
Agree with this
Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
Also, I think RR is fakeclaiming scum.
Rereading and I found this. Which is exactly what RR was doing. Well, not fakeclaiming scum exactly, but fakeclaiming not-town
But I am invisible.
oh dont worry. i have your number. we can lynch you d3 or whenever.
yeah whenever, like never.But I am invisible.
oh dont worry. i have your number. we can lynch you d3 or whenever.
This.
| player Haddock gkrieg Witherweaver Ichimaru Gin Awaclus PPS Hydrad chairs | role Persistant Cop (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg577528#msg577528) Watcher (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg577621#msg577621) Voyeur (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581423#msg581423) Friendly Neighbor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578668#msg578668) Roleblocker (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578656#msg578656)...wait...doctor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581694#msg581694) Tracker (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581472#msg581472) Doctor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581532#msg581532) | N1 action Targeted WW - innocent (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580669#msg580669) Targeted e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579432#msg579432) (Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578668#msg578668)(confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578730#msg578730)) and WW (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579433#msg579433)) targeted him) Targeted e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579433#msg579433) targeted WW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578649#msg578649) (no result (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581423#msg581423)) (contradicted by Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580669#msg580669) if PPS is doctor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581694#msg581694)) Targeted e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578668#msg578668) (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578730#msg578730)) Targeted Ichi (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578656#msg578656) Targeted PPS (PPS targeted Ichi) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581472#msg581472) Targeted Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581532#msg581532) | N2 action Targeted WW (Haddock did not target, but nothing else claimed) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580672#msg580672) Targeted Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581423#msg581423) (no actions used on him) (contradicted (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581438#msg581438)) targeted chairs (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580680#msg580680) (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580683#msg580683)) Targeted Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581438#msg581438) Targeted chairs (chairs targeted haddock) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581064#msg581064) (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581077#msg581077)) Targeted Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581532#msg581532) |
Ok. Finished. Lets do this thing.
player
Haddock
gkrieg
Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin
Awaclus
PPS
Hydrad
chairsrole
Persistant Cop (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg577528#msg577528)
Watcher (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg577621#msg577621)
Voyeur (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581423#msg581423)
Friendly Neighbor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578668#msg578668)
Roleblocker (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578656#msg578656)...wait...doctor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581694#msg581694)
Tracker (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581472#msg581472)
Doctor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581532#msg581532)N1 action
Targeted WW - innocent (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580669#msg580669)
Targeted e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579432#msg579432) (Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578668#msg578668)(confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578730#msg578730)) and WW (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579433#msg579433)) targeted him)
Targeted e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579433#msg579433)
targeted WW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578649#msg578649) (no result (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581423#msg581423)) (contradicted by Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580669#msg580669) if PPS is doctor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581694#msg581694))
Targeted e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578668#msg578668) (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578730#msg578730))
Targeted Ichi (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578656#msg578656)
Targeted PPS (PPS targeted Ichi) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581472#msg581472)
Targeted Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581532#msg581532)N2 action
Targeted WW (Haddock did not target, but nothing else claimed) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580672#msg580672)
Targeted Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581423#msg581423) (no actions used on him) (contradicted (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581438#msg581438))
targeted chairs (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580680#msg580680) (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580683#msg580683))
Targeted Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581438#msg581438)
Targeted chairs (chairs targeted haddock) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581064#msg581064) (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581077#msg581077))
Targeted Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581532#msg581532)
And no one else has claimed.
I do like an Ichi vote right now. given the claims that we have I think he is most likely scum. I mean, that would mean that town!PPS lied to us! Oh, No! Town should never lie! Except....that isn't necessarily true. Reference the Game of a Million Cops (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/2015-mafia-championship-game-4-a-1531336/) (Ashersky's 2015 mafia championship game). I know, this is a totally different setup and a totally different group of people playing....but....I just think this lie comes off townie. Like, planned to catch scum. I don't know. Call me crazy. I like lynching Ichi today.
Ok. Finished. Lets do this thing.
player
Haddock
gkrieg
Witherweaver
Ichimaru Gin
Awaclus
PPS
Hydrad
chairsrole
Persistant Cop (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg577528#msg577528)
Watcher (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg577621#msg577621)
Voyeur (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581423#msg581423)
Friendly Neighbor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578668#msg578668)
Roleblocker (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578656#msg578656)...wait...doctor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581694#msg581694)
Tracker (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581472#msg581472)
Doctor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581532#msg581532)N1 action
Targeted WW - innocent (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580669#msg580669)
Targeted e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579432#msg579432) (Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578668#msg578668)(confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578730#msg578730)) and WW (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579433#msg579433)) targeted him)
Targeted e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579433#msg579433)
targeted WW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578649#msg578649) (no result (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581423#msg581423)) (contradicted by Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580669#msg580669) if PPS is doctor (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581694#msg581694))
Targeted e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578668#msg578668) (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578730#msg578730))
Targeted Ichi (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg578656#msg578656)
Targeted PPS (PPS targeted Ichi) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581472#msg581472)
Targeted Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581532#msg581532)N2 action
Targeted WW (Haddock did not target, but nothing else claimed) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580672#msg580672)
Targeted Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581423#msg581423) (no actions used on him) (contradicted (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581438#msg581438))
targeted chairs (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580680#msg580680) (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg580683#msg580683))
Targeted Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581438#msg581438)
Targeted chairs (chairs targeted haddock) (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581064#msg581064) (confirmed (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581077#msg581077))
Targeted Haddock (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg581532#msg581532)
And no one else has claimed.
I do like an Ichi vote right now. given the claims that we have I think he is most likely scum. I mean, that would mean that town!PPS lied to us! Oh, No! Town should never lie! Except....that isn't necessarily true. Reference the Game of a Million Cops (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/puzzles-other-games/2015-mafia-championship-game-4-a-1531336/) (Ashersky's 2015 mafia championship game). I know, this is a totally different setup and a totally different group of people playing....but....I just think this lie comes off townie. Like, planned to catch scum. I don't know. Call me crazy. I like lynching Ichi today.
except....PPS is claiming Doctor. That he never was a RB. Ever. So either he is lying or you areReally? I thought he was claiming to have both doctor and roleblocking powers. Regardless, I still saw nothing N1.
Really? I thought he was claiming to have both doctor and roleblocking powers. ]
but yeah. "no result" vs "no actions used" are two different things.Um. Did he? Is it somehow impossible for him to be a pick and choose either Doctor or Roleblocker every night or something? I mean, I was pretty surprised that he was like adding additional stuff his to his role, but I don't see anywhere where he said he was lying earlier.
I am just trying to figure out this PPS thing. He lied, clearly. But was it a town lie or a scum lie. That is the question. Town lie means that Ichi is scum. Scum lie means that PPS is scum
but yeah. "no result" vs "no actions used" are two different things.
I am just trying to figure out this PPS thing. He lied, clearly. But was it a town lie or a scum lie. That is the question. Town lie means that Ichi is scum. Scum lie means that PPS is scum
I mean, it is conceivable that he is a town JOAT of some sort? In which case why would he roleblock N1 to doctor N2? Makes no sense. But being both a roleblocker and doctor is just redundant and silly in my opinion.
I mean, it is conceivable that he is a town JOAT of some sort? In which case why would he roleblock N1 to doctor N2? Makes no sense. But being both a roleblocker and doctor is just redundant and silly in my opinion.
Isn't a roleblocker and a doctor just a JK?
| Protective RR - doctor chairs- doctor PPS - RB/doctor | Investigative Haddock - persistant Cop gkrieg - Watcher Ichi - Voyeur Hydrad - Tracker |
I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully
I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully
Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?
I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully
Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?
I'll put together a case later today. some of it does lean on the fact that out of you/IG, I lean more town on IG, and you guys have conflicting claims.
I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully
Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?
I'll put together a case later today. some of it does lean on the fact that out of you/IG, I lean more town on IG, and you guys have conflicting claims.
I'm not seeing the conflict. I think IG is likely town. Looking off wagon I found gkrieg.
Vote Count 1 Final
Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin
Not Voting (1): pingpongsam
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch..
Thread locked!
Vote Count 2 Final
Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): WitherweaverLimetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
So of the people still alive we have
on both: Hydrad, chairs, Awaclus
on mislynch, off scum lynch: e, WW
off mislynch, on scum lynch: gkrieg13, IG
off both: PPS
Got a laboring wife right now so will be absent and hopefully explains why I have been so absent minded the past couple days (she was due Monday).Congratulations! I wish you and your family the best.
Got a laboring wife right now so will be absent and hopefully explains why I have been so absent minded the past couple days (she was due Monday).
ahh this game is to hard.
can i have like a triple vig shot to just end and win?
ahh this game is to hard.
can i have like a triple vig shot to just end and win?
Doesn't scum need a triple vig shot? Town only needs a double...
Oh hey guys. Any other comments on the alleged contradictions and such?vote: WW is better. Trust me.
Anyway, back to vote: Ichi
Vote: IchiSo, so bad.
Seriously guys. We still have 2 days. Do not let scum!WW get away with this. He hasn't even said one word about chairs' claim.
I can't believe that after all his talk about voting people based on scumminess and not role contradictions, e is still voting for me.
PPS' claim is literally the only thing I've heard people hold against me.
I'm not scum, and I'm not going to be lynched by lazy scum this easily
I'm also kind of trusting e here.I'm not surprised. e is voting for me.
I also don't feel like arguing.Why would you when playing passively has got you this far, and will probably get you my death too?
I'm also kind of trusting e here.I'm not surprised. e is voting for me.I also don't feel like arguing.Why would you when playing passively has got you this far, and will probably get you my death too?
You know, it isn't a me or you situation either. There are other people we could lynch.
The thing I do feel strongly though is that one of the two of them is scum.
I also feel strongly that one of the two of them is scum, and the other one is called Witherweaver.
I also feel strongly that one of the two of them is scum, and the other one is called Witherweaver.
Interesting. Awaclus is the one person I'm willing to lose the game if he is scum.
Are you sure your not just getting confirmation bias, here?
I haven't voted once this game. Does that seem scummy? What if I told you it was the towniest thing I could do? I mean, how do you think I get to do such cool and different things at night?Hmm. I think I believe this. It's possible that you came up with a plan ahead of time...but it kinda makes sense to have a drawback when you can (apparently) do a lot of other stuff.
I am more willing to switch to WW than pps
I am more willing to switch to WW than pps
Why are you not willing PPS?
Uh...no one has more than 2 votes. There are no wagons
Oh yeah, I missed hydrad's vote.
Still. I like chairs more than either pps or Witherweaver
So we have like 8 hours right?
Right now I think the two that I want to lynch are WW and PPS.
Can everyone else give at least two alternatives? I'm afraid we're not gonna get a lynch through if we don't get on it.
Just curious what the actual case is on me. From what I can tell I'm just an informative lynch but there is no real reason to believe I am scum. Only by proving me town do you prove my claims true and then go on to actually hunt scum. So, maybe my lynch has some value and is something we can afford since we have hit scum once so far. However, actually getting scum is exponentially more valuable.
I think I would prefer gkrieg over WW simply because of Awaclus.
I think I would prefer gkrieg over WW simply because of Awaclus.
What does this mean?
I have no idea what the case on me is.
I think I would prefer gkrieg over WW simply because of Awaclus.
What does this mean?
I have no idea what the case on me is.
Apparently it's the thing to vote people who ask these sorts of questions. But to answer your question Awaclus has a claimed interaction with WW whereas you have nothing of note. I am suspicious of people with nothing of note. Scum can't afford to wager things of note.
No, Awaclus didn't target me. Haddock copped me Night 1, and his result was distributed to Awaclus when he died.
I will vote: chairs over pps.
phone post
lol. They could both be mislynches. I just think pps claim is more believable.I will vote: chairs over pps.
phone post
Scum wants to be off wagon on a mislynch
We can lynch ichi tomorrow though.
I think mass claim is good
I'm an idiot, and doctored e last night.
Guess I can claim now.
I am a persistent cop.
I believe that I am sane.
N1 result: ichi is guilty
N2 result: WW is innocent
N3 result: chairs is innocent
Oh, he doesn't actually get to perform the night he's killed?
I'm still really wary of you two having exactly identical roles.
Okay.. maybe Haddock wasn't actually sane. It could be that he always got "Town/Innocent" results.
I'm still really wary of you two having exactly identical roles.
Okay.. maybe Haddock wasn't actually sane. It could be that he always got "Town/Innocent" results.
I don't think it is that crazy. Both cops, random sanity. Only 4 options for sanity and two people rolling the same sanity isn't that crazy
What happened to the massclaim?
The only thing that I can conclude is that scum is responsible for the result I got N2. I would like to think that town would have spoken up by now if they had caused it.
Please consider that it only takes one night action to mess up my results. All PPS did was doctor Awaclus; he didn't receive a result about his action being successful or not--or whether it got redirected to someone else. There are at least three different (general) ways that this could happen: if myself, Awaclus, or PPS were interfered with. This of course assumes that PPS was the only one to target Awaclus that night besides me
I got the result that I did, and I will be very dissapointed if people lynch me over something that is so easily explained. It's RMM. There are lots of PRs (and scum PRs) that could have caused this.
e who is claiming an identical role as Haddock?
I can only conclude that e is insane, or I was framed or something. Maybe that sounds weak, but these are purely PR stuff.
From my perspective, I am certain of my townhood and thus there must be an explanation for why e's result on me is wrong.
Fat chance that scum is going to come forward with that info though.
Well. I guess it's up to people to examine ancillary information and my play this game to determine if they want to lynch me. I can't argue against e's result other than say that I am certain there is an explanation for why its wrong.e who is claiming an identical role as Haddock?
I can only conclude that e is insane, or I was framed or something. Maybe that sounds weak, but these are purely PR stuff.
From my perspective, I am certain of my townhood and thus there must be an explanation for why e's result on me is wrong.
Fat chance that scum is going to come forward with that info though.
e is not insane, because he got an innocent result on me. Unless he is lying.
Sorry only on mobile for the next few days.
I'm a modified watcher. I can only target people who were on a mislynch or off a scum lynch.
I've already claimed my targets for other days, and last night I targeted chairs and got that e visited chairs.
The night before I got that e targeted WW,
The night before that I got that awaclus and WW targeted e
Ya i think there was one thing that wasn't public information.
Ya i think there was one thing that wasn't public information.
No, that was all already claimed.
Ya i think there was one thing that wasn't public information.
No, that was all already claimed.
Wasn't I last to claim? Doesn't that make it impossible to claim something new as a watcher?
slow weekend. Anyway, I still think Ichi is scumfor...reasons?
Limetime has been lynched. He was Mafia-Aligned.
Night 2 starts now and ends at March 20, 6 PM am Forum Time. Night Actions may be submitted up until one hour before deadline.
That is a shorter night than as stated in the rules. If anyone wants the full length, he can ask for it in his QT (during the next 24 hours) and I will lengthen it.
Or does this mean he was a Goon?Doesnt it usualy say goon though?
Or does this mean he was a Goon?Doesnt it usualy say goon though?
I dont know. Lynching me is still bad though.
So I think we have (modulo modifiers):
gkrieg13: Watcher
Hydrad: Tracker
2.71828.....: Cop
Witherweaver: Neighborizer
Ichimaru Gin: Voyeur
chairs: Doctor
Dead people:
Awaclus (Friendly Neighbor) (Died Night 3)
Roadrunner7671 (Cop) (Died Day 1)
pingpongsam (Modified Jack of all Trades) (Died Day 3)
Haddock (Cop) (Died Night 2)
Limetime (Mafia-Aligned) (Died Day 2)
Axxle (Lover, Gambler) (Died Day 1)
Is that right?
Well I wasn't able to watch anyone last night again.
I guess I'll reread both of you
Well I wasn't able to watch anyone last night again.
I guess I'll reread both of you
but....like....what kind of scum claims non-results like this? Seriously?
Vote Count 1 Final
Haddock (1): Limetime
gkrieg13 (1): Roadrunner7671Roadrunner7671 (7): Hydrad, Awaclus, Axxle, chairs, Haddock, Witherweaver, e
chairs (2): gkrieg13, Ichimaru Gin
Not Voting (1): pingpongsam
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch..
Vote Count 2 Final
Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): WitherweaverLimetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Vote Count 3 Finalpingpongsam (5): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, Hydrad, chairs, e
Ichimaru Gin (1): Awaclus
chairs (1): Ichimaru Gin
Not Voting (1): pingpongsam
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Vote Count 4 Final
Ichimaru Gin (3): gkrieg13, e, Hydrad
Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, chairs
With 6 alive, it would have taken 4 to lynch.
Vote Count 5 Final:Ichimaru Gin (3): Witherweaver, e, Hydrad
Not Voting (2): Ichimaru Gin, gkrieg13
With 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch.
4) Why would WW be so timid and not lynch Ichi D4 but then come out guns blazing to lynch him on D5?
I voted Gkrieg because he played some defense for Haddock at a time where scum would feel the need to make a decision abut a town!Haddock.He actually gives a reason for voting for me.
White knighting, basically.
The IG / PPS thing is pretty interesting.
I think it is pretty safe to assume that there are other reasons beside the roleblock that can explain the lack of NK. It is definitely something to keep on the back burner though.
The way PPS seems so sure about it is kinda assertive, so I guess I lean more scum on him.
I'm feeling on the scummier side for Limetime. I also just learned that he is only 14, but has a very different style than RR. But I definitely would lynch him today.
vote: Limetime
Thread locked!
Vote Count 2 Final
Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): WitherweaverLimetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?
I'll look at it again later today ( I'm on mobile right now). From skimming it looks like there are a couple of reasons for the lack of N1 NK. Does it mean we have to either say the team is chairs/IG or that it is PPs/? Does scum who missed on the NK try to claim something to target someone else and get them lynched? I think that is the real question we have to answer about PPS. The other thing I can think of that I find strange here is that limetime flipped as mafia-aligned. Where the town people have flipped with their role included. I'm still thinking this through.
What i was really asking is why you didn't hammer IG when the wagon progressed and it looked like he was totally caught in a lie. Like, where was your head at then, not where do we go from here.
Claiming voyeur and not getting the correct result last night with only a few people claiming their night actions seems more townie/fishy than scummy. Especially in RMM games there always seems to be another explanation. Also just the way his wagon formed seemed scummy instead of townie to me. So weird claim + wagon formation I guess.
After thinking more about it. vote: pps
Here's my reasoning:
The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target. Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.
The other scenario is that IG and chairs are lying together with a much more ridiculous string of fakeclaims. It would require that chairs is going all-in with IG so that we don't lynch IG. I don't think that makes much sense when we aren't (probably) at MYLO. IG would also have to claim no result on someone, which seems silly to do that with Awaclus, who is IC at this point.
The simplest explanations are almost always the correct ones.
PPS was not on the scum lynch, which I think further implicates him vs chairs/IG
I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully
Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?
I'll put together a case later today. some of it does lean on the fact that out of you/IG, I lean more town on IG, and you guys have conflicting claims.
e, ww, and PPS are my top lynch choices because of wagon position.
Of those, e and PPS seem more likely.
I'm putting off my reread of this game until tomorrow.
Vote Count 4 Final
Ichimaru Gin (3): gkrieg13, e, Hydrad
Not Voting (3): Witherweaver, Ichimaru Gin, chairs
With 6 alive, it would have taken 4 to lynch.
There is some PoE to it....
Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?gkrieg13- people seem to be voting for him for some reason. Oh yeah, thats right. Because he did something townie. Like defend someone from getting unjustly lynched.
Hydrad - always an option
Roadrunner7671 - meh. Not getting a vibe here. Could be scum, but with RR the vibes will come. Or we can just lynch him.pingpongsam- Town. 'nuff said2.71828.....
Witherweaver - totes scumIchimaru Gin- Not lynching today
chairs - I never know what to do with chairs.Haddock- After the wagon and everything....yeah. I do think he was townie here. Although a wagon not pushing through could be scum not wanting to hammer a partner D1. But anyway, I am good saving Haddock for later.Limetime- Not lynching today
Axxle - hmmmm.....Axxle....
I am good with a vote: ichi
And yeah, I was informed that awaclus is town.
I have a wagon. Oh no, I don't know what to do.
You should ridicule them for voting for you for no reason whatsoever. Then ask them for their reasons. Hopefully they give you 3 points or something. Then you take each point and destroy it by irrefutable logic.
Or get lynched because it is actually a decent case. I don't know. You do you. Which, is, what exactly? We don't know. You should post more.
Except....Haddock is a cop. Would scum really vote for a cop? I don't know.
So we have
conf!Town
Gkrieg
Awaclus
WW
e
Ok, fine. I shouldn't be on that list. WW shouldn't be either, but I very strongly think he is town
ok chairs targetted haddock last night. so do with that what you will.
I can confirm I targetted Haddock last night. That's why I'm so mad he died.
I'm starting to form an opinion.
Want to hear more thoughts though.
Gkireg on IG's claim:Note, if Ichi/chairs are scum then gkrieg was the hesitant town. Gkrieg, what's your analysis on the situation?
I'll look at it again later today ( I'm on mobile right now). From skimming it looks like there are a couple of reasons for the lack of N1 NK. Does it mean we have to either say the team is chairs/IG or that it is PPs/? Does scum who missed on the NK try to claim something to target someone else and get them lynched? I think that is the real question we have to answer about PPS. The other thing I can think of that I find strange here is that limetime flipped as mafia-aligned. Where the town people have flipped with their role included. I'm still thinking this through.
What i was really asking is why you didn't hammer IG when the wagon progressed and it looked like he was totally caught in a lie. Like, where was your head at then, not where do we go from here.
Claiming voyeur and not getting the correct result last night with only a few people claiming their night actions seems more townie/fishy than scummy. Especially in RMM games there always seems to be another explanation. Also just the way his wagon formed seemed scummy instead of townie to me. So weird claim + wagon formation I guess.
ends up going against PPS for the IG/PPS inconsistency:After thinking more about it. vote: pps
Here's my reasoning:
The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target. Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.
The other scenario is that IG and chairs are lying together with a much more ridiculous string of fakeclaims. It would require that chairs is going all-in with IG so that we don't lynch IG. I don't think that makes much sense when we aren't (probably) at MYLO. IG would also have to claim no result on someone, which seems silly to do that with Awaclus, who is IC at this point.
The simplest explanations are almost always the correct ones.
PPS was not on the scum lynch, which I think further implicates him vs chairs/IG
Stays pretty consistent:I agree about the scum hunting, but I still think PPS is the best bet. I'll reread later today hopefully
Care to elaborate on my scummy behavior or are you just saying while scum hunting is a good idea in theory but we should mislynch today on principle?
I'll put together a case later today. some of it does lean on the fact that out of you/IG, I lean more town on IG, and you guys have conflicting claims.
If Gkrieg is scum, he's not thinking of bussing:e, ww, and PPS are my top lynch choices because of wagon position.
Of those, e and PPS seem more likely.
I'm putting off my reread of this game until tomorrow.
Gkrieg is pretty hard against PPS all day on Day 3. Witholding judgement for now.
Neighborhood opens, both e and Haddock post, I admit that I created it. Haddock quickly claims role and actions (he targeted me). After a bit of posting, e decides to claim too. He claims to be a persistent cop of questionable sanity, and that he got guilty from Ichi.
He tells Haddock that they need to coordinate their persistence when they die. I actually thought the persistent thing was random. Says he townreads me and Haddock.
Doesn't seem confident in scum!Ichi but wants to push the lynch. By this point I think Day has started (neighborhood stays open for the next day, until the end of the next night). Some comment about in thread stuff.. both e and Haddock vote me for my ability. Haddock suggests double checking their respective targets (Haddock to Ichi, e to me). There's some coordination talk. Haddock ends up deciding to investigate someone else instead of Ichi. I suppose he never gets to.
I am basically convinced that gkrieg is scum based on the reread that you both have done.
I haven't had a chance to get mine done, and you guys will unfortunately have to wait a while longer if you want to see it
Actually that line of thinking probably doesn't go anywhere.
Also important is how e got the result N2, but it took until D5 for us to lynch IG.
PPE: Well it is a more plausible scum fakeclaim.
Oh, and yeah. Brought this up a while ago. I am almost 100% certain that scum has "town" roles. Like, say, tracker.
I mean, my case on gkrieg would be crazy conspiracy theory based with him and WW being scum.
But his results are actually too townie for that. I mean, scum!team gkrieg and WW could conceivably come up with his first claim (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14666.msg579432#msg579432), but then the second where he would have to target his partner....eh
Too much of a conspiracy theory even for me.
Gkrieg is town
And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.
But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...
And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.
But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...
This could be caused by a framer or redirection. Or even nexus and such. Or godfather
And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.
But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...
This could be caused by a framer or redirection. Or even nexus and such. Or godfather
Well, godfather wouldn't cause me to have two false results.
N1- ichi- guilty- confirmed
N2- WW- innocent- ?
N3- chairs- innocent- confirmed
N4- hydrad- innocent- confirmed
N5- gkrieg- guilty- ?
Another point: if we are accusing WW of having some sort of redirection power, I would assume it is associated with his neighborhood power.
Which might explain my result on him, but my result in you? Not really
Another point: if we are accusing WW of having some sort of redirection power, I would assume it is associated with his neighborhood power.
Which might explain my result on him, but my result in you? Not really
I'm not sure how that would work. Really, I have the most validated role, as investigation results validate my targets, and you yourself were in the neighborhoods.
You could have made up your Cop results, and I believe Gkrieg has only claimed results already known, as he claimed after everyone and then didn't have valid targets.
Do you guys agree with me that scum must have Strongman/Roleblock or Redirect?
Another point: if we are accusing WW of having some sort of redirection power, I would assume it is associated with his neighborhood power.
Which might explain my result on him, but my result in you? Not really
I'm not sure how that would work. Really, I have the most validated role, as investigation results validate my targets, and you yourself were in the neighborhoods.
You could have made up your Cop results, and I believe Gkrieg has only claimed results already known, as he claimed after everyone and then didn't have valid targets.
Do you guys agree with me that scum must have Strongman/Roleblock or Redirect?
My D1 results I claimed D2 were not public knowledge. On mobile so can't find the quote but I can when I get home.
I said that you targeted e before you claimed it yourself
I said that you targeted e before you claimed it yourself
I said that you targeted e before you claimed it yourself
Ah.. okay, cool.
Haha, funny:So we have
conf!Town
Gkrieg
Awaclus
WW
e
Ok, fine. I shouldn't be on that list. WW shouldn't be either, but I very strongly think he is town
Why did you think that role meant he was town?
Why did you think that role meant he was town?
It wasn't the role, it was the results claimed and when they were claimed. Basically, he provided information that would only have been known by an actual watcher.
Also...reason why I think that scum has actual town roles. Except maybe not. Ichi's fakeclaim was proven false by PPS and.....then we lynched PPS. ugh. We could have done so much better.
I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.
This is where it happened, FYI, on Day 2:I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.
I targeted e and got the result that WW and Awaclus targeted him as well.
Have to admit that seems awfully convenient to claim the one of two things we already know happened last night.
It's a bit of a stretch for him to correctly guess that I targeted e. There are, however, ways he could know this and still be lying.
Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.
I actually just think that we will have a lot of cops in this setup, so I guess he didn't seem super likely as a NK.
This was Gkrieg's reason for choosing e:Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.
I actually just think that we will have a lot of cops in this setup, so I guess he didn't seem super likely as a NK.
Well, we've seen (at this point) RR flip cop and Haddock claim cop. Though I think he said the same thing on D1 before RR even flipped. A bit scummy, as this is the kind of thing scum would talk about in their QT. Especially if their roles are investigative themselves.
I want to collect Ichi's claims.
Horrific vote history and vote-context.
I feel bad. He's fourteen and he's new. But his yesterday looks awful.
The context might be bad, but I didn't think his voting history is that bad. He votes for 4 different people. Haddock, RR, e, and Hydrad. He switches between them and ultimately is not on a mislynch. He has a few sheepy votes, which isn't horrible for a newbie.
So I guess I want an explanation for why you think his vote history and context were that bad.
And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.
But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...
Another point: if we are accusing WW of having some sort of redirection power, I would assume it is associated with his neighborhood power.
Which might explain my result on him, but my result in you? Not really
I'm not sure how that would work. Really, I have the most validated role, as investigation results validate my targets, and you yourself were in the neighborhoods.
You could have made up your Cop results, and I believe Gkrieg has only claimed results already known, as he claimed after everyone and then didn't have valid targets.
Do you guys agree with me that scum must have Strongman/Roleblock or Redirect?
Why did you think that role meant he was town?
It wasn't the role, it was the results claimed and when they were claimed. Basically, he provided information that would only have been known by an actual watcher.
Also...reason why I think that scum has actual town roles. Except maybe not. Ichi's fakeclaim was proven false by PPS and.....then we lynched PPS. ugh. We could have done so much better.
This was Gkrieg's reason for choosing e:Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.
I actually just think that we will have a lot of cops in this setup, so I guess he didn't seem super likely as a NK.
well when the setup says that cops will have questioned sanity, it does make you think there will be lots of cops
Well, we've seen (at this point) RR flip cop and Haddock claim cop. Though I think he said the same thing on D1 before RR even flipped. A bit scummy, as this is the kind of thing scum would talk about in their QT. Especially if their roles are investigative themselves.
I want to collect Ichi's claims.
This was Gkrieg's reason for choosing e:Yeah, I have to say I would've pegged Haddock as the likely NK target myself.
I actually just think that we will have a lot of cops in this setup, so I guess he didn't seem super likely as a NK.
Well, we've seen (at this point) RR flip cop and Haddock claim cop. Though I think he said the same thing on D1 before RR even flipped. A bit scummy, as this is the kind of thing scum would talk about in their QT. Especially if their roles are investigative themselves.
I want to collect Ichi's claims.
And yeah, WW does make sense as scum. His power being enabled by people voting for him.
But my results say WW is town and gkrieg is scum...
what do you mean by enabled by people voting for him?
I don't know who Ichi targeted I just know that I roleblocked him which could account for the lack of NK. I got mod confirmation beforehand that my RB could prevent the NK if I targeted the correct person.
So, if Ichi flips scum we IC WW.
After thinking more about it. vote: pps
Here's my reasoning:
The simplest explanation for the lack of NK N1 is that chairs doctored Haddock, a claimed cop, and that he was the target. Then, N2, IG got the result that Awa wasn't targeted because PPS didn't really target him.
The other scenario is that IG and chairs are lying together with a much more ridiculous string of fakeclaims. It would require that chairs is going all-in with IG so that we don't lynch IG. I don't think that makes much sense when we aren't (probably) at MYLO. IG would also have to claim no result on someone, which seems silly to do that with Awaclus, who is IC at this point.
The simplest explanations are almost always the correct ones.
PPS was not on the scum lynch, which I think further implicates him vs chairs/IG
e who is claiming an identical role as Haddock?
I can only conclude that e is insane, or I was framed or something. Maybe that sounds weak, but these are purely PR stuff.
From my perspective, I am certain of my townhood and thus there must be an explanation for why e's result on me is wrong.
Fat chance that scum is going to come forward with that info though.
PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.*votes gkreig*
PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.*votes gkreig*
I know I've been scummier than Not Voting this game, so it would be warranted
If not RR, we could lynch Awaclus. Or Ichi, for funsies.
I'm not feeling Ichi, but would be fine with Awa or RR.
Sry guysvote:hydradOops forgot to bold
Vote:hydrad
Vote: hydrad
E keeps on changing his votes
Vote: E
I guess I'll fall into this bandwagon.vote: haddock
Lets get some action going.
vote: hydrad
Enough with this
vote: rr
vote: haddock
I will be vla over this weekend.
vote haddock
He gave very little evidence to why I should be lynched.
He was fairly scummy day 1. For reasons posted by E? Right before his almost lynch.
He isn't helping town.
PPS and Limetime, it would be nice if you put your votes somewhere.*votes gkreig*
It doesn't really seem like you reread WW...
I don't have time today to defend myself
vote: e
And I think the fact that e decided to bus his partner early with the fake result on him, but it took forever for IG to actually get lynched, is also very telling.
My stance on PPS was wrong, I will admit, but his claim was pretty weird, and the way he was presenting things was very scummy.
e's wagon positions and his defense of limetime are the biggest case on him.
Gkrieg, why did you Watch me Night 2?
My stance on PPS was wrong, I will admit, but his claim was pretty weird, and the way he was presenting things was very scummy.
PPS played a better game than any of us. MVP type of play. We were just stupid town and lynched him.
Yeah, PPS has a more interesting style of play than some others of us. But he was clearly town, as I acknowledged very early. Some people find that scummy, and that was the entire reason he got lynched. That and you didn't want to lynch your partner.
Why was I townier than e? I thought you had a strong townread on e.
Why was I townier than e? I thought you had a strong townread on e.
I think part of it was that I had already watched e.
Yeah, PPS has a more interesting style of play than some others of us. But he was clearly town, as I acknowledged very early. Some people find that scummy, and that was the entire reason he got lynched. That and you didn't want to lynch your partner.
e's wagon positions and his defense of limetime are the biggest case on him.
Let me count the innumerable times I have defended scum as town. It's a countable infinity, yes. But still, an infinite number of times
I have a wagon. Oh no, I don't know what to do.
You should ridicule them for voting for you for no reason whatsoever. Then ask them for their reasons. Hopefully they give you 3 points or something. Then you take each point and destroy it by irrefutable logic.
Or get lynched because it is actually a decent case. I don't know. You do you. Which, is, what exactly? We don't know. You should post more.
but no....iwont lynh right now. probably just do wrong snytaz anwyaay
Except....Haddock is a cop. Would scum really vote for a cop? I don't know.
There is some PoE to it....
Awaclus - who doesn't enjoy lynching Awaclus?gkrieg13- people seem to be voting for him for some reason. Oh yeah, thats right. Because he did something townie. Like defend someone from getting unjustly lynched.
Hydrad - always an option
Roadrunner7671 - meh. Not getting a vibe here. Could be scum, but with RR the vibes will come. Or we can just lynch him.pingpongsam- Town. 'nuff said2.71828.....
Witherweaver - totes scumIchimaru Gin- Not lynching today
chairs - I never know what to do with chairs.Haddock- After the wagon and everything....yeah. I do think he was townie here. Although a wagon not pushing through could be scum not wanting to hammer a partner D1. But anyway, I am good saving Haddock for later.Limetime- Not lynching today
Axxle - hmmmm.....Axxle....
Limetime: You voted Hydrad. Because you thought he was scum or because lynching people is fun and you have never done that before?Well every one else was doing it so there most be a reason why. More importantly I want to move on with the game and not get into a stalemate.
Perfect. Keeping the game moving is a townie thing to do. Doing what everyone else is doing is a form of hiding your true thoughts, and therefore can be conjured up as being scummy.
balance those out, and I think the moving the game forward is townie wins out.
Awaclus
gkrieg13HydradRoadrunner7671- I want him to be useful for a night before we lynch himpingpongsam- town read.2.71828.....- this is me. I am town.
WitherweaverIchimaru Gin- Not today
chairsHaddock- not lynching a claimed cop here D1. That persistent thing is also interesting and could explain why cops may or may not be sane.Limetime- This is just a bad lynch. You guys voting for him should feel bad.
Axxle
So of WW, Awaclus, gkrieg, chairs, and Axxle I like gkrieg.
WW there is no reason to lynch, but also no reason not to lynch. Awaclus is the same. chairs feels sporadic, and I am very tempted to vote here, but this feels like town!sheep!chairs voting for lynches. Could be scum!sheep!chairs though. Axxle....meh. Just don't really feel like lynching but no reason to cross him off the list.
gkrieg > chairs > WW = Awaclus > Axxle
e, why did you investigate Ichi Night 1?
Thread locked!
Vote Count 2 Final
Ichimaru Gin (1): e
gkrieg13 (1): WitherweaverLimetime (6): chairs, gkrieg13, Haddock, Hydrad, Ichimaru Gin, Awaclus
Not Voting (2): pingpongsam, Limetime
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
e, why did you investigate Ichi Night 1?
I had originally thought about targeting Awaclus. I switched to Ichi for a couple reasons.
1) I had basically given him a welcome back pass for D1 (you will see my reads lists all say "not lynching today" for Ichi) and I figured the best way to get a read on him was to investigate
2) I have traditionally read Ichi as scummy. Wanted to temper that
read #1. I was giving him a D1 pass.
My results though. You didn't trust the result I had on you? I mean, cop results are a thing.
My results though. You didn't trust the result I had on you? I mean, cop results are a thing.
Not really. Also, Awaclus was already confirmed to you, right? So wasn't it better to check him to confirm sanity?
I do want to know how gkrieg got his results. town-role as scum? Was I right about that?
I'm annoyed I broke my perfect LyLo record :(
I'm annoyed I broke my perfect LyLo record :(
I broke that my first lylo. I think this is the first lylo that I was actually right.
My results though. You didn't trust the result I had on you? I mean, cop results are a thing.
Not really. Also, Awaclus was already confirmed to you, right? So wasn't it better to check him to confirm sanity?
No, I received the targeting at the end of N1/start D2. His night action gets resolved in the same order as everyone else so my investigation N1 had no knowledge that I was targeted by Awaclus.
My results though. You didn't trust the result I had on you? I mean, cop results are a thing.
Not really. Also, Awaclus was already confirmed to you, right? So wasn't it better to check him to confirm sanity?
No, I received the targeting at the end of N1/start D2. His night action gets resolved in the same order as everyone else so my investigation N1 had no knowledge that I was targeted by Awaclus.
No I mean Night 2. Instead of investigating me.
My results though. You didn't trust the result I had on you? I mean, cop results are a thing.
Not really. Also, Awaclus was already confirmed to you, right? So wasn't it better to check him to confirm sanity?
No, I received the targeting at the end of N1/start D2. His night action gets resolved in the same order as everyone else so my investigation N1 had no knowledge that I was targeted by Awaclus.
No I mean Night 2. Instead of investigating me.
Oh, that was primarily because Haddock investigated you. I mean, that probably wasn't the best decision I could have made. But then, guess what a great investigative target for me to do as scum? Awaclus. I wouldn't want to make more ICs. I would want to make fewer
I guess I could have made other points that might have helped. Look at my stance on chairs from D3 to D4. Total reversal. Because I investigated him and got town. I had been throwing him out as a lynch candidate D3. Does scum do that? Create more ICs? Not really.
I wasn't paying enough attention early this game.
I wasn't paying enough attention early this game.
yeah, that was one reason why I ultimately picked gkrieg over you. You brought up a point in your post where you voted that if you were a cop you wouldn't really trust your results that much. But like....my entire game I totally did not trust my results at all until, like, today. And even then not until I knew I was right in lylo.
Awesome setup. I really liked how the role powers could be honest woot revealing alignment. Also, for the next game when I cop somebody for god's sake lynch them. This is two games in a row where I am copping people and announcing the results on D2 and getting lynched for it. To give false results that early in the game is pure suicide and I don't really understand what about it is not believable. I suppose redirection, but look there was none of that, here.
Anyway, congrats to the scum team, especially since they had a noob who got busted up front. It's hard to recover from an early lynch like that.
Wait, what? Mafia had no role powers?
Wait, what? Mafia had no role powers?
Man, I told you Ichi was scum.
:DMan, I told you Ichi was scum.
Which is why you died along with everyone else who kept saying that.
I clearly had a MVP worthy performance. :P
You agree?I clearly had a MVP worthy performance. :P
I won't say anything about my own play. I actually don't recall a ton of it; school has a way of squeezing out stuff.
gkrieg pretty much single handedly made all the decisions for our night actions and picking powers though, which I feel should count for something. I also think he played really well this game in general.
Great setup btw SS. Really really interesting. :)
blocking a RB does nothing.
blocking a RB does nothing.
...why is that?
- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. [...] - If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.
blocking a RB does nothing.
...why is that?
Because of the way Actions are resolved this game. All of the highest speed happen simultaneously, then all of the second highest speed, etc. Town and Scum RB both have the highest speed, so they go through no matter what. If PPS was a RB, he would be roleblocked, but his own RB would still go through.
It's in the OP!- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. [...] - If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.
blocking a RB does nothing.
...why is that?
Because of the way Actions are resolved this game. All of the highest speed happen simultaneously, then all of the second highest speed, etc. Town and Scum RB both have the highest speed, so they go through no matter what. If PPS was a RB, he would be roleblocked, but his own RB would still go through.
It's in the OP!- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. [...] - If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.
Yeah, I read that, I just... don't think it's clear. You can't derive that roleblockers cannot block each other from this. "Simultaneously" can mean anything here. I mean all night action resolve "simultaneously" - at the end of the night. There is no delay of any kind.
It seems like a strange rule and I don't quite get why you put it in there.
You start with the quickest category: every action submitted there has full effect. That influences stuff. Then you go to the next, repeat, etc.
blocking a RB does nothing.
...why is that?
Because of the way Actions are resolved this game. All of the highest speed happen simultaneously, then all of the second highest speed, etc. Town and Scum RB both have the highest speed, so they go through no matter what. If PPS was a RB, he would be roleblocked, but his own RB would still go through.
It's in the OP!- The resolution of Night Actions is Blocking -> Commuting -> Copying -> Redirecting -> Protecting -> Other -> Killing -> Investigative. [...] - If several actions of the same category take place in the same night, they will happen simultaneously.
Yeah, I read that, I just... don't think it's clear. You can't derive that roleblockers cannot block each other from this. "Simultaneously" can mean anything here. I mean all night action resolve "simultaneously" - at the end of the night. There is no delay of any kind.
It seems like a strange rule and I don't quite get why you put it in there.
It may not be clear from the OP, but the system itself is 100% clear.
You already asked in the speccy and I gave the long answer:QuoteYou start with the quickest category: every action submitted there has full effect. That influences stuff. Then you go to the next, repeat, etc.
Not even that long. To me, simultaneous resolving is pretty clear. It just means they all happen. The alternative would be to define an order; then if a RB blocks another RB and his action is resolved first, the second RB does not get to block anyone.
I also don't really see a reason not do to it like this. Seems much more elegant than trying to do orders.
- Roleblockers don't block all roles, but only most.They block everything except other RBs. Without simultaneous execution, the case of several RB blocking each other isn't even defined, so this seems better.
- if a Roleblocker targets player A and a Bus Driver targets A and B, then somehow by your system the Roleblocker still blocks A. But if a Watcher also targets A, then he will be redirected to B, and doesn't see the Roleblocker targeting A. Major confusion arises.I don't think that case has anything to do with simultaneous execution... there are no two roles being executed a the same time; you do have an order. And causing confusion is pretty much what Scum Bus Driver is good at.
This would be somehow justifiable maybe if the system gave a clear resolution to every possible situation. But that is not the case either. For instance, say we have two Bus Drivers. One Bus Drives A and B, one Bus Drives B and C. Someone targets A; now what happens?That's true, there are cases where it's not clear, also if A hides behind B and B hides behind A. But... it's also not clear without simultaneous resolving, and I'm pretty sure there are fewer cases with it.
I mean, the reason the system is bad is it deviates in a major way from standard protocol, and that's going to get people confused.Okay, does it really? I don't see why. It's just one of many ways to do it.
QuoteI mean, the reason the system is bad is it deviates in a major way from standard protocol, and that's going to get people confused.Okay, does it really? I don't see why. It's just one of many ways to do it.
I agree that the upsides aren't big, so if it's confusing, probably not worth it. I just don't think it's confusing.
I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?
I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?
How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?
I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?
How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?
B would be blocked with s.e. He just gets blocked after he does his action...
I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?
How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?
B would be blocked with s.e. He just gets blocked after he does his action...
That makes no sense. I mean I guess you could put it like that, but really it's the same as him not beign blocked, so I don't see how this is any better.
I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?
How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?
B would be blocked with s.e. He just gets blocked after he does his action...
That makes no sense. I mean I guess you could put it like that, but really it's the same as him not beign blocked, so I don't see how this is any better.
Well, because my system favors a RB over an investigative Role. RB is faster. Your ( well, not 'your', but you know) system favors a RB over a RB. That seems weird.
I'll have to think more about whether or not I like that. It definitely is less 'fair'. A blocks B, B blocks C, C investigates D. Now B is blocked, but not C. Why?
How is it more fair if C is blocked, but not B?
B would be blocked with s.e. He just gets blocked after he does his action...
That makes no sense. I mean I guess you could put it like that, but really it's the same as him not beign blocked, so I don't see how this is any better.
Well, because my system favors a RB over an investigative Role. RB is faster. Your ( well, not 'your', but you know) system favors a RB over a RB. That seems weird.
But your system favors a RB over a RB too! Just the other one.
I... think that's identical to what faust is talking about?
For me, it's like this:
Assume night actions A through E. A and B happen first, C and D happen second, E happens third. A/B and C/D are simultaneous.
Step 1: A and B actions both resolve. To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs. In this case, only each other.
Step 2: C and D actions both resolve. To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs. In this case, A and B, and then each other.
Step 3: E action resolves. To resolve, it checks to see if any other actions interact with it. In this case, A and B, then C and D.
A roleblocks E. B roleblocks A. C doctors D. D investigates E. E kills B.
Step 1: A roleblocks E and B roleblocks A. A checks around, see that B has roleblocked him: failure! B checks around, sees nothing interacts with him: success!
Step 2: C doctors D and D investigates E. C checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success! D checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success!
Step 3: E kills B. E checks around, see that nothing interacted with him (because A as blocked): success!
You can change letters around for any order you want and it will change outcomes, but the resolution chain is the same.
For me, it's like this:
Assume night actions A through E. A and B happen first, C and D happen second, E happens third. A/B and C/D are simultaneous.
Step 1: A and B actions both resolve. To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs. In this case, only each other.
Step 2: C and D actions both resolve. To resolve, there is a check to see if any other actions interact with theirs. In this case, A and B, and then each other.
Step 3: E action resolves. To resolve, it checks to see if any other actions interact with it. In this case, A and B, then C and D.
A roleblocks E. B roleblocks A. C doctors D. D investigates E. E kills B.
Step 1: A roleblocks E and B roleblocks A. A checks around, see that B has roleblocked him: failure! B checks around, sees nothing interacts with him: success!
Step 2: C doctors D and D investigates E. C checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success! D checks around, sees that nothing interacted with him: success!
Step 3: E kills B. E checks around, see that nothing interacted with him (because A as blocked): success!
You can change letters around for any order you want and it will change outcomes, but the resolution chain is the same.
The question here is which powers are "simultaneous". If there's a Bus Driver and a Roleblocker, and the Bus Driver bus drives A and B, while the Roleblocker blocks B, which one of A and B ends up blocked?