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[ashersky]

Easiest way to see if Jimmmmm is lying is to run him up to L-1.  But then, if he's not lying, he dies.

You're right! The easiest way to see if I'm lying is to lynch me.

Well, if you are lying, you won't die.  And then we'd lynch you.

[xeiron]

my main suspects are Walrus, yuma and ashersky.  Maybe xeiron. 

What do you all think of this plan
- we lynch Walrus,
- three of the cops target yuma:  joth - modifier; nkirbit - time travel; Jimmmmm - weak doctor. 
xeiron targets chairs. 
yuma targets me. 
faust targets me. 
ashersky locks N2. 
I'll take joth to N17 or something. 
2.7 hang out.  Then we take stock. 

We could have yuma and faust target ashersky instead.  Having faust watch me does add some protection, since they will probably double up on kills tonight.  I need to check something with Voltaire, too.

Thoughts?

You will probably find that faust is effectively roleblocked by having you dragged him to N3 already. Count him out of any plans.

Ashersky may very well lock N2, but since all time travelers already have been there, It will not matter, and we can never confirm it.

Also, in the plan above Ashersky may kill Jimm, and make yuma look really bad.
The plan below is better, as it will stop Ashersky from killing.
I think Jimm should target the scummiest person who can kill him. Not someone who cannot kill him.

Even better would it be to have Ashersky lynched, and Walrus and yuma bocking each other. If one of them are lying, and doing something else than blocking, they vould be blocked so they will do no harm.

[xeiron]

Alternatively,

we lynch Walrus

Jimmmmm, joth, nkirbit each choose between yuma and ashersky to investigate.

yuma and faust both target me.

ashersky locks N2.

2.7 hangs out.

I take joth to the future.

We still have the problem of killing jimm.
I could kill jimm freely. Ash or yuma could, and hope he was targeting the other one.

[faust]

Alternatively,

we lynch Walrus

Jimmmmm, joth, nkirbit each choose between yuma and ashersky to investigate.

yuma and faust both target me.

ashersky locks N2.

2.7 hangs out.

I take joth to the future.

Doesn't look too bad, but based on what nkirbit said, I don't believe I will be allowed to take a night action N3.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

Jimmmmm: you're probably right, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving out any possibilities. In fact faust is my top suspect right now, pending further reads. May as well vote: faust

[faust]

Jimmmmm: you're probably right, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving out any possibilities. In fact faust is my top suspect right now, pending further reads. May as well vote: faust

Can you tell me your case on me? I'm interested.

[faust]

Even better would it be to have Ashersky lynched, and Walrus and yuma bocking each other. If one of them are lying, and doing something else than blocking, they vould be blocked so they will do no harm.

I like this plan.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm: you're probably right, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving out any possibilities. In fact faust is my top suspect right now, pending further reads. May as well vote: faust

Can you tell me your case on me? I'm interested.

Me too.

[faust]

Also, ashersky is acting like caught scum!ashersky I think. I will vote: ashersky for now. Could switch to Walrus.

[EFHW]

For Walrus's conspiracy theory to be right, they would all 3 have to be in on it, b/c both e and faust saw Jimmmmm target joth. 

[EFHW]

I have a selfish reason for not wanting to lynch ashersky, which is that he probably does enable regeneration, which I may need to stay alive tonight.  I agree that faust is not cleared.  He's definitely not mafia, but he could be something else.  If people don't want to lynch walrus, then my next choice would be either faust or yuma.  I don't think we have more than two people to find, so while a perfect game would be cool, we don't have enough information, and basic POE should work fine.

[EFHW]

faust, how did you choose your target N2?

[EFHW]

... because now that I think about it, Walrus would have been a much better choice.  You could have confirmed if he targeted pps or not.

[xeiron]

I have a selfish reason for not wanting to lynch ashersky, which is that he probably does enable regeneration, which I may need to stay alive tonight.  I agree that faust is not cleared.  He's definitely not mafia, but he could be something else.  If people don't want to lynch walrus, then my next choice would be either faust or yuma.  I don't think we have more than two people to find, so while a perfect game would be cool, we don't have enough information, and basic POE should work fine.

This is a valid point about Ashersky.
While I like lynching Ashersky best I am also fine with Walrus.
I am not fine with lynching anyone else that those two, so I will switch to Walrus before you switch to Faust or Yuma, if i cannot convince you Ash is the safest lynch choice.

[faust]

... because now that I think about it, Walrus would have been a much better choice.  You could have confirmed if he targeted pps or not.

I tried to do this. I asked Voltaire what result I would get from someone who targeted pps, and was informed that I would receive "noone" because pingpongsam was not a valid target at the time. So I couldn't clear Walrus. I then tried to track scum, and thought Jimmmm was most likely after a reread (a had e as potential candidate before the reread).

[nkirbit]

My main issue with ash is that he didn't travel back in time and lock night1. I just think that was far and away the best decision for town to make.. And don't get why he didn't do it.

Especially considering that he thinks walrus is scum. If he thinks that, and sudgy was the only death n1... We don't appear to have an actual night kill, right?

Him not locking night 1 just reads as super scummy to me.

[jotheonah]

vote:faust

[xeiron]

... because now that I think about it, Walrus would have been a much better choice.  You could have confirmed if he targeted pps or not.

I tried to do this. I asked Voltaire what result I would get from someone who targeted pps, and was informed that I would receive "noone" because pingpongsam was not a valid target at the time. So I couldn't clear Walrus. I then tried to track scum, and thought Jimmmm was most likely after a reread (a had e as potential candidate before the reread).

I just asked about something similar, and I got a answer that corresponds with this.
Fast is talking true.

[faust]

vote:faust

Reasons?

[EFHW]

vote count please

[nkirbit]

vote:ashersky

[yuma]

I guess I'll do whatever is needed, JK is a nice versatile role for both blocking and protecting... I think at this stage in the game blocking is probably better than protecting.

[nkirbit]

What we know for sure:

1.  Sudgy was the only death N1.
2.  Sudgy was a weak role who targeted Walrus N1.
3.  There were no deaths N2.

Ashersky has maintained that he sees Walrus as scum, in posts such as the following:

How sure are we on who scum is?  I've felt walrus is scum forever, of course.

Now, given that Ashersky thinks that Walrus is scum, the logical conclusion from his point of view is that Sudgy died from targeting Walrus.  Given this, he should think that there were no deaths that resulted from mafia action.

Yet we see the following:

No time locking yet because I can only lock nights that have passed.  So on N1 I could only lock N0, but why?  Last night I could have locked N1, but it didn't seem worth it.  Tonight I could lock N2 to maintain no deaths (I.e., scum couldn't return there to kill someone).  That was the type of situation I was waiting for.

Ashersky says that he has a desire to lock N2 to prevent scum from going there to kill someone.  Fair enough.  But why didn't night1 qualify for the same lock?  According to Ashersky's narrative, it is his belief that Sudgy died from targeting Walrus.  Given this is the case, why is N1 "not worth it", but N2 is "the type of situation I was waiting for."  Ashersky should think they are the same, right?  Neither night had a death caused by scum, according to him.  So why is he viewing them differently in terms of desirability to lock.

I really think we should lynch Ashersky.  I think the above is perhaps showing his knowledge that Sudgy was targeted by the scum team night1.  At the very least, it's inconsistent, and I think that were he town, he would 100% want to lock night1 ASAP to try and block a night kill.. especially on himself.

[Voltaire]

Vote Count 3.4

Walrus (1): 2.71828.....
ashersky (3): xeiron, faust, nkirbit
faust (2): Walrus, jotheonah

Not voting (4): ashersky, EFHW, Jimmmmm, yuma

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

D3 ends on Thursday, January 16 at 11 AM forum time

[ashersky]

vote: Nkirbit

Complete and total fabrication and lies about N1, my beliefs about it, and what was best for town.

Go back and reread D2 and you will see plenty of reasons why town does NOT lock N1.  Nkirbit gambit is the only sensible narrative for just how far off the deep end he's gone.

I see walrus as likely SK, Nkirbit as PPS/arch partner.

With howOP the town seems, and with likely no partners left, the lurky will be the scum partner.  All of a sudden Nkirbit decides to start providing content after sleeping his way through the game so far?  Dude has been unmemorable at best, a drag to town at worst, and now he thinks he's hot shit?

Hilarious.