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[silverspawn]

I think it is possible he pulled the selfvote trigger too early.  That's bad scum play, as would be expected from RR his first time as scum.

yeah... maybe.

[silverspawn]

and I don't feel comfortable with the whole assumption that he will be much more noticeable as scum. I'll point everyone back in Morgrim's direction. If I remember correctly he had a couple of really good scum appearances because he wasn't much, much more noticeable as scum. In fact it was kinda hard to tell him apart. There were signs, but they weren't as obvious as everyone made them out to be.

but RR is 13!

I really think that a younger age makes it harder to consistently lie about something

[silverspawn]

We don't really disagree that much about RR. I still think he's the second scummiest player, and the recent posts from you and yuma have moved him really close to Awaclus

@ash: what do you think about Awaclus?

[ashersky]

and I don't feel comfortable with the whole assumption that he will be much more noticeable as scum. I'll point everyone back in Morgrim's direction. If I remember correctly he had a couple of really good scum appearances because he wasn't much, much more noticeable as scum. In fact it was kinda hard to tell him apart. There were signs, but they weren't as obvious as everyone made them out to be.

but RR is 13!

I really think that a younger age makes it harder to consistently lie about something

What kind of 13-year old were you that you didn't lie about stuff?

Also, see liopoil or mail-mi or sudgy for successful "young" players here.

[ashersky]

We don't really disagree that much about RR. I still think he's the second scummiest player, and the recent posts from you and yuma have moved him really close to Awaclus

@ash: what do you think about Awaclus?

I think I had him in the scummy column earlier.  To be honest he's been a bit under the radar, which seems unlike him.  I'm not great at reading him, to be honest, as I think he's always sort of scummy.

I think he's a valid lynch target.  He's definitely not towny.  What's he done, really?

[silverspawn]

and I don't feel comfortable with the whole assumption that he will be much more noticeable as scum. I'll point everyone back in Morgrim's direction. If I remember correctly he had a couple of really good scum appearances because he wasn't much, much more noticeable as scum. In fact it was kinda hard to tell him apart. There were signs, but they weren't as obvious as everyone made them out to be.

but RR is 13!

I really think that a younger age makes it harder to consistently lie about something

What kind of 13-year old were you that you didn't lie about stuff?

I totally didn't lie when I was 13. I started lying more when I went through puberty.

But I don't mean that he is less likely to lie. I mean that he's less good at it.

[silverspawn]

Also, see liopoil or mail-mi or sudgy for successful "young" players here.

yeah but they're different. RR is thirteen-thirteen.

[ashersky]

Also, see liopoil or mail-mi or sudgy for successful "young" players here.

yeah but they're different. RR is thirteen-thirteen.

I guess liopoil is more Jennifer Garner than RR, but mail-mi was fairly green when he started.

[silverspawn]

Also, see liopoil or mail-mi or sudgy for successful "young" players here.

yeah but they're different. RR is thirteen-thirteen.

I guess liopoil is more Jennifer Garner than RR, but mail-mi was fairly green when he started.

okay I wasn't there back then. was mail-me hard to find out in his first scum game?

[yuma]

Also, see liopoil or mail-mi or sudgy for successful "young" players here.

yeah but they're different. RR is thirteen-thirteen.

I guess liopoil is more Jennifer Garner than RR, but mail-mi was fairly green when he started.

okay I wasn't there back then. was mail-me hard to find out in his first scum game?

first time he was mafia he was lynched pretty easily, but that had more to do with his scumteam losing a partner day1.

He was lynched pretty consistently when he was scum. But I don't think he was ever super obvious and almost always as the second or third team member. He was lynched pretty consistently as town as well.

[ashersky]

It was Samurai and Ninjas (my game) and he was lynched D2 as godfather.  Three scum were lynched D1, D2, D3.

He also won a scum game at the same time with Galzria as his partner -- M23.

[ashersky]

It was Samurai and Ninjas (my game) and he was lynched D2 as godfather.  Three scum were lynched D1, D2, D3.

He also won a scum game at the same time with Galzria as his partner -- M23.

Speaking of which, was Samurai and Ninjas the infamous "you should investigate me" godfather slip?

[yuma]

He also won a scum game at the same time with Galzria as his partner -- M23.

Which was kinda similar to this game! That was pirates II right?

I totally knew that mail-mi was scum. I kept saying when mail-mi is scum there will be a red flag and there was one and then got talked down out of it and we lost the game...

And yes... that was the game... but if I remember right he was lynched for other reasons aside from that.

[ashersky]

Yeah, Pirates 2.  So faust is playing the part of Galzria, the scum MVP, and RR is mail-mi, the newbie scum.

[silverspawn]

alright

vote: RR

[Awaclus]

I think he's a valid lynch target.  He's definitely not towny.  What's he done, really?

Hammered iguana and concluded that RR is more likely to be town than scum (for which I have reasons that I can definitely explain later).

[ashersky]

I think he's a valid lynch target.  He's definitely not towny.  What's he done, really?

Hammered iguana and concluded that RR is more likely to be town than scum (for which I have reasons that I can definitely explain later).

I'm okay with the hammer, given I asked for a hammer.  Not more likely from scum than town there, I don't think.  Equally likely.

I don't like your conclusion on RR, obviously.  But let me ask it differently: why are you not okay with his lynch regardless of your read?  You have espoused a belief in past games that a mislynch is not necessarily as a bad lynch.

[Roadrunner7671]

Wow, SS. I am speechless.

[yuma]

Wow, SS. I am speechless.

prove it.

[silverspawn]

Wow, SS. I am speechless.

why? it's not like I ever didn't think you're scummy.

[Roadrunner7671]

Wow, SS. I am speechless.

prove it.

I'd much as I'd love to, I no longer count on Faust to be my knight in shining armor.

[Roadrunner7671]

Wow, SS. I am speechless.

why? it's not like I ever didn't think you're scummy.

Then you'd better hope twilight is very, very short.

[Awaclus]

I think he's a valid lynch target.  He's definitely not towny.  What's he done, really?

Hammered iguana and concluded that RR is more likely to be town than scum (for which I have reasons that I can definitely explain later).

I'm okay with the hammer, given I asked for a hammer.  Not more likely from scum than town there, I don't think.  Equally likely.

I don't like your conclusion on RR, obviously.  But let me ask it differently: why are you not okay with his lynch regardless of your read?  You have espoused a belief in past games that a mislynch is not necessarily as a bad lynch.

It's not an awful lynch, better than many other options for sure. I just think we can do better.

[yuma]

well for all of that conversation, RR is still just at 3 votes...

[Awaclus]

And by that, I mean that there are worse mislynches than RR, but I'd still rather try to hit scum.