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[ashersky]

What if we don't think Ashersky is scum?

PPE 2

Vote for me anyway.

[ashersky]

If you won't vote for RR because you believe faust is the best player here, vote for me.  Because really, the only reason anyone isn't voting for RR is because you trust faust here.

I'm not voting for RR for different reasons.

Well, disregard those reasons and vote for him.  Or not, if you choose faust.

[Witherweaver]

Wake me up when this is over.

[Roadrunner7671]

And I was going to say this yesterday, but then I went to sleep. Yuma's behavior reminds me a lot like Ashersky's in Switch Mafia.

yuma was my partner in switch.  So what does this mean?

I'm talking about how you went after me until you died. You were scum. And I don't want to vote for you, I'd rather see how Yuma reacts to pressure. Maybe I will vote for you if he goes to L-1.
PPE 2

[ashersky]

Currently it feels much more like faust v. yuma than faust v. you, to me.  But however you see it, I guess.  I've only been able to drop in here and there today.  Will come up with something coherent to say tonight.

It was faust vs. yuma.  I'm making it faust vs. me.

[Roadrunner7671]

If you won't vote for RR because you believe faust is the best player here, vote for me.  Because really, the only reason anyone isn't voting for RR is because you trust faust here.

I'm not voting for RR for different reasons.

Well, disregard those reasons and vote for him.  Or not, if you choose faust.

Wait, we're 'choosing' between you and Faust? Both of you are fantastic Mafia players!PPE

[ashersky]

And I was going to say this yesterday, but then I went to sleep. Yuma's behavior reminds me a lot like Ashersky's in Switch Mafia.

yuma was my partner in switch.  So what does this mean?

I'm talking about how you went after me until you died. You were scum. And I don't want to vote for you, I'd rather see how Yuma reacts to pressure. Maybe I will vote for you if he goes to L-1.
PPE 2

I did go after you until I died.  I continued to go after you in the speccy.  I thought you were scummy, regardless of your actual alignment.  That wasn't a scum tactic, that was me thinking you were scummy.

If yuma is doing that, it doesn't make him scummy.  It means he thinks you are scum.

And someday, perhaps you will realize that someone thinking you are scum, scummy, scumtastic, etc. does not automatically make them scum.  Town is wrong, sometimes.  You yourself have mislynched town as town.  You should realize that the same thing happens.

But you don't.  Or you know you shouldn't, because that's become your town meta and you need to emulate it.

I state again, you just need to be lynched so you know how it feels and you won't care so much in future games.  Because I want you to stick around and play more mafia with us because you are a good guy to have in games.  But man you need to get over this.

I think you have a good chance of being scum.  There's also a chance you are town.  It is a risk that's worth it because I see a lot of great things coming out of a RR lynch, regardless of alignment.

[silverspawn]

uhm.

no.

I have on interest in turning this into a you vs faust thing.
I don't think faust has any interest in turning this into a you vs him thing.

Making voting decisions based on policy or personal competition will by definition lead to worse results, since now you're considering things which are alignment independent.

If people think sheeping you is good, then they can sheep you.
If people think sheeping faust is good, then they can sheep faust.

End of story. Vote for who you think is scum.

[ashersky]

What is your one interest in turning this into me vs. faust, and why didn't you expand on that?

[silverspawn]

sorry. I mean to to say 'no' not 'on'. rather misleading typo that I didn't notice.

[ashersky]

Also, I can provide another reason you want to make this me vs. faust: you are well aware that I can dominate a thread to the point that nothing else of substance will get done until you either agree with me or kill me.

This has led to me being killed often, of course. But that's part of the deal anyway.

[yuma]

Wake me up when this is over.

I agree.

It was never me vs faust. It was me trying to get Roadrunner lynched.

I certainly didn't ask ash to come in like this and honestly I don't think it helps it getting to the ultimate goal of getting RR lynched (which I think we want because I think he is mafia).

Honestly, this feels like something I could see ash doing as scum, distracting the town into a counterproductive argument and dovetailing it so that everyone gets frustrated with the whole thing (see WW above) and none of himself, RR, myself or faust get lynched, which if he is scum with RR is a perfectly acceptable compromise.

Or this could just be ash being legitimately frustrated with f.ds being turned into a big sheep!faust fest, which I too find a bit frustrating...

Ultimately, vote RR if you think he is scummy, I do. Don't base his scumminess or towniness on me or on faust or on ash.

[ashersky]

sorry. I mean to to say 'no' not 'on'. rather misleading typo that I didn't notice.

Understood.

[yuma]

And I was going to say this yesterday, but then I went to sleep. Yuma's behavior reminds me a lot like Ashersky's in Switch Mafia.

bull crap

[silverspawn]

Also, I can provide another reason you want to make this me vs. faust: you are well aware that I can dominate a thread to the point that nothing else of substance will get done until you either agree with me or kill me.

This has led to me being killed often, of course. But that's part of the deal anyway.

why don't you just... not do that and vote for who you think is scum?

[ashersky]

Also, I can provide another reason you want to make this me vs. faust: you are well aware that I can dominate a thread to the point that nothing else of substance will get done until you either agree with me or kill me.

This has led to me being killed often, of course. But that's part of the deal anyway.

why don't you just... not do that and vote for who you think is scum?

I am in fact voting for who I think is most likely to be scum.

I'm torn on faust, honestly.  He could be RR's partner trying to save him, or he could just be arguing against yuma because he likes to be contrarian and watch everyone bow to his posts and follow his orders.  I don't know if that's accurate or not, but it seems possible given recent games.

I honestly don't know why faust doesn't like yuma (in the mafia game sense) -- he's admitted it in thread, here, so why would anyone take his points countering yuma as anything but biased?

[silverspawn]

I don't even see who is sheeping faust this game. I've been saying that Awaclus is scummy since the end of day 1, so I certainly didn't. Who else is even voting for him?

[Roadrunner7671]

Ashersky, we've been over this. Killing me because I'm hotheaded is not the way to go.
PPE 2

[ashersky]

Or this could just be ash being legitimately frustrated with f.ds being turned into a big sheep!faust fest, which I too find a bit frustrating...

Bingo.

[Witherweaver]

Hey I tried to lynch Faust but no one was up for it.

[Roadrunner7671]

Man, this is getting old.

I am not Mafia. I don't have the ability to break up a wagon, I'm not that good at the game. No one has to do this.
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[ashersky]

I don't even see who is sheeping faust this game. I've been saying that Awaclus is scummy since the end of day 1, so I certainly didn't. Who else is even voting for him?

Everyone should be voting for him.  Anyone not voting RR is giving tacit consent to faust's defense of RR.  If you disagree with faust's defense, you have two ways to show it:

1.  Vote RR (ideally providing reasons, but whatever)
2.  Provide a defense of RR that is not faust's.

Otherwise, by not voting RR, you are putting yourself firmly on the anti-yuma side of the line.

Your case on Awaclus, others' cases on other players, all good and useful and nice.  They are not relevant to the discussion at hand.

[ashersky]

Ashersky, we've been over this. Killing me because I'm hotheaded is not the way to go.
PPE 2

I haven't called you hotheaded.  Who called you hotheaded?  This is made up.

[silverspawn]

I... don't really see scum!faust defending partner!RR. RR'd probably be the least valuable member of the team, since he's fairly likely to be lynched ( no offense, but you said it yourself ). That makes defending him less profitable.

[ashersky]

Hey I tried to lynch Faust but no one was up for it.

Don't you see that lynching RR is lynching faust?